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Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 07-18-2006
Alert Hindus foil missionaries mass conversion plan
Posted on 01 July, 2006
We need such alert Hindus everywhere. - Editor
A special prayer meeting was organized by Christians at Ganesh Mangal Karyalaya, Saat Raste in the city. Hindu organizations got the wind of their plan to convert Hindus in the said meeting. Members of these organizations attending the meeting were infuriated with the speakers criticizing Hindu religion and they thwarted the program. Christians were going door to door and making propaganda of the said meeting. They were trying to impress upon Hindus that how Christianity is superior to Hindu religion. All the Hindu organizations came to know about the propaganda and held a meeting realizing the seriousness of the matter and decided to put a stop to such activities. During the meeting of Christians, Father Agnel who had come from Mumbai for the meeting said that Hindu religion and all the mantras recited were meaningless. Similar statements were made against Hindu religion. Before conclusion of the program, permission was sought to ask questions to the organizers but initially they were not allowed. Still due to the pressure brought by other staunch Hindus, some time was given to ask questions. When questions were being asked about the objectionable matters, the missionaries were trying to interrupt. However, looking at the vehemence of the staunch Hindus, father Agnel ran away. Other organizers also had no answers to many objectionable statements from the Bible and made a quick exit. The Hindu organizations warned that all the efforts of Christians to forcefully convert Hindus will not be tolerated. The District-Chief of Shiv Sena and other staunch Hindus were instrumental in foiling the efforts of Christians.
Source: Dainik Sanatan Prabhat
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 07-18-2006
Friday, June 23, 2006
Is it too late to save Hindus?
The first step is to recognise that in some ways it may be too late to save Hindus. But let's allow hope to triumph over experience for a moment and pretend it is not and address some germane issues randomly.
1. Hindus must first start thinking straight about Islamo-Christian imperialism against them, which only a very, very few seem capable of doing. One of these very few was Aurobindo and there has been virtually no one since. The movement has not been capable of doing so for a very long time and one needs to hear compelling reasons why this is about to change if that is being suggested by anyone.
2. The movement's supreme leaders have done everyone a great favour by publicly embracing Jinnah (and subsequently refusing to let go) since it has destroyed all accumulated illusions about them in one go among Hindus. The argument that Jinnah was once secular in order to exculpate him for mass murder (not least in Calcutta in 1946) is the same as saying many Nazis were perfectly alright because they once socialised with Jews though they later proceeded to burn them alive. Yeah, this is the level of intelligence and capability of the leaders of the movement when they are not busy promoting their own private and family interests through the blood, sweat and tears of long suffering Hindus.
3. Can anyone tell us what the leaders of the movement have done for Kashmiri Pandits except to use their plight cynically to further their own personal interests in politics? Just bear in mind, Kashmiri Pandits have suffered the very fate one is discussing and the response to their situation reveals what will happen when the same endgame begins to destroy any other Hindu group - though it already has also happened to pretty much all Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. So, the precedents are unerring. Thus, the failure to protect Kashmiri Hindus, the MOST IMPORTANT common issue facing all Hindus in the world today, tells us what WILL NOT happen when Hindus are ethnically cleansed from their homes, murdered and their women abducted.
4. Let's also recall that the biggest rascal over the Jinnah episode has been restored all favours in the movement after a short period of pretence excluding him. Well, he is eminently suitable as an enemy of all Hindus since he has publicly, and in the presence of the movement's intelligentsia, vociferously denounced the very idea of a Hindu constituency. Those of you who were present at the conclave, as I was, will no doubt remember.
5. The movement is in the thrall of two 'nominally' Hindu business empires originating outside India. They and a third are known to have been intimate with Dawood Ibrahim, which logic suggests creates something of a conundrum.
In effect, Hindu leaders are therefore indirectly 'taking orders' from the single biggest killer of Hindus since Nadir Shah. If all this is suddenly going to change Hindus need to know why and how since such dramatic transformations tend not to happen in the real world.
6. I am confident that the movement (though not all of it) will reach an understanding with Islam and Christianity since both are willing to pay and can do so unlike Hindus, who are all too busy queuing up for green cards. So, let's now busy ourselves signing petitions, which is a pathetic sign of defeat though I will sign them too like everyone else.
7. Hindus have been responsible for some primordial failures that undermine their claim to being described as human. The first task of a people (i.e. their men, in the main) is to protect one's women and the second, to defend their children. As a corollary, this also requires the defence of territory because that becomes a practical necessity. Historically, Hindu men have failed in these imperative tasks again and again, constantly fleeing and surrendering, which they did in 1940 in the face of Muslim pogroms in Dacca during 1940, abandoning their women to captors as they fled to Tripura. Others prefer to die rather than do so, which makes most Hindus magnificently unique.
8. Just in case there are any doubts about how this is done, even against overwhelmingly superior arms, watch the murderous Iraqi 'insurgents'. They have no compunction drilling holes in the eyes and limbs of alleged or real collaborators, including 12 year-old children, before putting them out of their misery by decapitating them with blunt instruments, though apparently not in one clean sweep.
9. No, I don't recommend this, but only point it out to underline the standards of behaviour that actually prevail in the world we live in - not the make-believe one Hindus love. And the Americans shoot entire families, including babies, in decisions that are obviously the product of high policy since it keeps happening. In case you are unaware, every Vietnamese woman who fell into American hands during the war suffered rape and many had small snakes inserted into their lower bodies (read the Russell Tribunal Report if you are wondering where this idiot academic finds his information). The world is too horrible a place evidently for 'goody-goody' Hindus whose idea of bad behaviour seems to be a spot of 'white-collar' crime like theft!
10. So, how far are Hindus willing to go? They will go to the cinema hall or rent a DVD of Bollywood movies (the biggest Islamic-controlled industry in the world, oil apart), many featuring semi-pornographic dancing, almost exclusively by Hindu women. This tradition of dancing, which Hindu families are desperate to give their daughters up to, originally became embedded in Indian society as a result of the enforced prostitution of captive Rajput princesses. They were forced to gyrate before being picked by the Muslim conquerors who watched them as records of the mass suicides and complaints by Hindu women highlight. This is of course a great Muslim tradition and the infamous Timur, who drowned India in blood, forced one early Ottoman emperor's queen to serve naked at his table after defeating her husband in battle. He died of seizure while forced to watch from a cage though he was quite young.
GS
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 07-18-2006
When a Hindu converts
6/20/2006 5:18:06 AM Mohan Gupta
"Every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less but also an enemy the more".
Swami Vivekanand
In June 17 people were arrested in Canada on the suspicion of being terrorists. One of the terrorists arrested, allegedly plotted to behead the Canadian prime Minister, was a Canadian citizen who was soldier for four years and likely received weapons training.
The Toronto Star learned that Steven Vikash was a member of the Royal Regiment of Canada, a reservist unit that meets in Toronto.
Chand who was a Hindu from Caribbean origin. He is Indo-Trinidadian as most of the accused are either from The Caribbean or are South Asians, largely from Pakistan and Bangladesh., who later converted to Islam, is charged with belonging to a terrorist group, receiving training and recruiting or training others to participate in terrorist activities. Chand was one of the 17 suspects arrested as part of a massive police raid. They were accused of being members of an alleged homegrown terrorist cell, plotting attacks in Canada.
Steven Vikas Chand, a welfare recipient and basement suite dweller, was better known for roaming East Toronto public schools trying to persuade students to convert to Islam â a path he took himself.
Mr. Chand was born in Canada into a Hindu family but converted to Islam in his early 20s and changed his name to Abdul Shakur. Little is known about what drove Mr. Chand to convert to Islam. His parents are divorced and Mr. Chandâs acquaintances say the spilt in family troubled him. Whatever his motivation to switch his religion, Mr. Chand is a devoted Muslim. He prays two or threes times a week at the Salaheddin Islamic Centre in Scarborough, a mosque attended up by four of the other suspects picked up in terrorist bust, said the mosqueâs Imam Aly Hindy.
Mr. Chand also wanted to spread the faith. He spent two or three days a week going to local schools, distributing free Islamic books and written material s about Islam and encouraging school aged children to become Muslims, said Mohammed ally, his one friend from the mosque.
Two of the youths charged in the arrests of 17 persons were converted to Islam recently according to friends from Stephen Leacock Collegiate institute in Scarborough. Both converts were Hindus, one was of Tamil origin.
Mohsin Attique 17, son of his landlord said to Globe and Mail newspaper that he believed that Mr. Chand had a tense relationship with his family, partly by his religious conversion.
It has been noted when a person converts to any Semitic religion, then the converted person does not only convert religion but also converts culture, religion, language, forefathers. If a converted person is from Hindu religion, then that person donât only convert his / her religion but also want to destroy Hindu religion, culture, Bharatiya languages. He/ she breaks idols of Hindu Gods and Goddesses or deface it by all demeaning ways.
Islamic extremists have embraced one element, âThe global struggle.â Now individuals in Canada, like the London bombers seems to be associating themselves with a cause outside their territory. Not only are non-Arab Muslims but are also other Muslims particularly from South and Central Asia and Somalis rally to the global Jihad call. Increasingly Indians / European Muslim converts are embracing jihad. As the jihad outreach expands, so too does the target list. Terrorists do not care even in destroying the social fabric of a tolerant and open society like Canada and Bharat.
If one glances at Islam religion deeply, one would find that most of the terrorist activities are carried out by Muslims. Usually it is said that only a part of the Muslim society carry out terrorist activities, but the rest of the overall Muslim society is peaceful. One wonders why Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Parses, and many other societies do not produce such small amount of bad people who carry our terrorist activities. It does not matter how much you provoke a Hindu society, even then the small section of the society does not become terrorists.
Some years ago a research was conducted about the battles going on in the world. At that time it was found out there were about 80 small of large battles or conflicts were going on in the world. Out of these numbers, there was not even a single battle of conflict where Muslims were not involved. Either both the parties were Muslims in the conflict or at least one party was Muslim.
âReligious conversion destroys centuries-old communities and incites communal violence. It is violence, and it breeds violence and destruction.â
Achla Sharma, is head of BBC Hindi service. She is a Hindu but has married a Muslim. The language of Muslims is Urdu, while the language of Hindus is Hindi. After conversion Achla Sharma has adopted Urdu, though she is employed in Hindi service. Due to her influence Achla Sharma has converted BBC Hindi service into Urdu service. While proper Hindi words are available, even then most of the time, BBC Hindi service prefers to use Urdu words. Not only that, Achla Sharma got job for Javed Ansari, a Muslim and relative of her Muslim husband. Javed Ansari does not know Hindi at all.
Recently there was a program in BBC Hindi service about Kind of education given by Talibans in Pakistan. This program was almost 100% in Urdu, in which Hindi knowing person cannot understand at all. Many times BBC Hindi service is converted into Urdu service. See the effect of conversion of a Hindu to Islam. Converted person still earns money on the name of Hindi, but at the same time wants to destroy Hindi and promote Urdu, the language of her converted religion.
A Muslim is a person, who by birth or by choice became a follower of Islam.
Islam is a set of beliefs propounded by Prophet Mohammad who claimed the angel Gabriel told him the Quran, the word of God. The compilation of such verses from Mohammad's mouth became Quran as it exists today. As said in Quran itself, there are two versions of Quran, the one exists in heaven and another that exists in earth. The one exists in earth is compiled by Khalifa Uthman.
Muslims are told these things from their birth till they die. Quran and the story of Mohammad (called Hadiths) are expounded day in day out in the Muslim media. Even scientists are writing that Quran has scientific truths that an illiterate Mohammad could not have known. And their writings are constantly published in the media as the proof of "God's Work".
Islam was spread by both the sword and teachings. Miracle workers called Sufi saints spread Islam in places where other religions like Hinduism reigned. Muslim Kings captured vast areas of earth and converted the people into Islam. Except in India, wherever Muslim kings ruled, that land became Islamic. Even in India, Bengal, Kashmir, Sindh, Punjab, Afghanistan became majority Muslim areas due to the forcible conversion of local Hindus into Muslims. In other places, where Muslim kings were not there, the Sufi saints and Muslim preachers converted the local people into Muslims.
History is history. Some of the forefathers of the current generation converted by preaching and some others converted by force. There is no need to go back to that and feel bitter about it. Many Hindus feel bitter about this. They view the Muslims are brothers who started fighting Hindus just because the remaining did not convert to Islam and Muslims think that Hindus are still in old "polytheist" ways and they need to convert to Islam.
Make no mistake about this. Muslims strongly feel that their religion is the correct one and Hinduism is primitive religion. And Hindus feel that Hinduism is a "natural and eternal" religion, which did not have a human founder. And Many Hindus believe rightly that all the rivers lead to the same ocean and hence there is no need to fight over which river to take to reach the ocean.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
can someone supply a list of all the christian missionary factions (ie. different churches) that operate in india??
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-ben_ami+Jul 19 2006, 08:02 AM-->QUOTE(ben_ami @ Jul 19 2006, 08:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->can someone supply a list of all the christian missionary factions (ie. different churches) that operate in india??
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I came upon this site while surfing the net; and while I am rather surprised at the vehemence of some of the opinions expressed, I registered thinking that a frank exchange of views is always educational and helpful.
I am an Indian Christian, living in India. The church in India can basically be understood as having Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant/ Reformed groups. People move from one church to the other with some fluidity, so, for eg, i was part of an orthodox group, now am part of a "protestant" church, and have many Catholic inputs, too. Apart from the regular churches, there are many Christian organisations which are not churches, but are set up for specific aims, such as educational, social work, evangelism, and so on.
I don't think we are as horrible as you people seem to think!! Always open to comments, this is Annamma
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
Post 256:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think we [Indian Christians] are as horrible as you people seem to think!! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Two mistakes:
(1) Christianity is much worse than you imagine it to be, even if you yourself don't know it. Indian Christianity is no different
(2) We aren't the only ones who seem to think this. These are Australian Greeks who practise their ancient religion (not Christianity): http://www.ethnikoi.org/
Scroll down to the bottom of the page http://ethnikoi.org/menu.html and see the picture of murdered Hindus, which the Australian <i>Ethnikoi</i> Greeks have captioned below as <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"bodies of Hindus who refused to convert to Christianity"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indian Christians don't appear to know as much about Indian Christianity as Australian Ethnikoi Greeks do. Perhaps you should learn the facts instead of believing the propaganda of what a peaceful and positive force for good Christianity is in either India or anywhere else in this world. The Indian p-secular (i.e. pro-ChristoIslamic, anti-traditional Indian) media won't show you the truth.
"Islam means Peace. Christianity is Love." Christian 'love' can be seen in that picture right there.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
Husky,Jul 19 2006, 01:58 PM Wrote:Post 256:Quote:Two mistakes:
(1) Christianity is much worse than you imagine it to be, even if you yourself don't know it. Indian Christianity is no different
(2) We aren't the only ones who seem to think this. Greeks have captioned below as [quote]"bodies of Hindus who refused to convert to Christianity"
Well, I should point out that there are extremists in every religion who whip up hatred against others and picture themselves as persecuted by others; so you will have any number of sites which all claim their adherents are being murdered by some other religionists.
I would suggest we take all such claims with a big pinch of salt.
For instance, I am familiar with that cartoon on the link you sent made by some supposed Christians mocking Hinduism, about the number of Gods and so on. It made me mad as fire with my fellow Christians' insensitivity till I went and checked the site in detail. Then i realised it was an elaborate spoof site set up by some admittedly brilliant guys...and their aim was to mock Christianity, not any other religion!! They have pulled our Christian legs royally, and we are the butt of the joke. Go and check it out yourself, if you don't believe me.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
Just realised there was no way to get to the original site of that "offensive" cartoon. This is the original link: http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/.
Check it out. This site is in no way a Christian site. It is a spoof site, obviously mocking and ridiculing Christians. Its done very well and someone has obviously taken a great deal of trouble over it!! <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-19-2006
Post 258, 259 (anna):
<b>I was not referring to any cartoon in my post 257. I was referring to a <i>photo</i> of murdered Hindus.</b> Check the site again.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, I should point out that there are extremists in every religion who whip up hatred against others and picture themselves as persecuted by others; so you will have any number of sites which all claim their adherents are being murdered by some other religionists.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The site I linked to was not a Hindu site, but a Greek site belonging to Australian Greeks who practise their ancestral religion (not the one that was enforced on them). My point was that even they know that Indian Christians are fueled by the same intolerant doctrine today which after its inception butchered into conversion the ancient Greeks and destroyed Greek civilisation.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the persecution complex is an entirely ChristoIslamic invention. They have martyrs and shaheeds, they believe in the glory of dying for their faith - as if that somehow proves its validity. (By the way, most of the ancient Christian martyred saints have been proved non-existent by Catholic experts in the field of martyrology. Yes, the old Christians have been caught lying by recent Christians.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I would suggest we take all such claims with a big pinch of salt.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I suggest that you take Christianity with a pinch of salt. For example: did you know that the word 'pardees' was imported from Persia's Zoroastrianism? It has no meaning in Hebrew, because it was copied from the ancient language of the Persians - where 'Paradaiza' <i>does</i> have a meaning (if you know Samskrit you can figure out what this means) and refers to Zoroastrian 'heaven'. And did you know that the word Hell comes from the Germanic underworld? And that Gehenna is Jerusalem's garbage dump? And that Tartarus is a famous part of Greek Mythology? And that Hades is the name of the God of the Greek Underworld as well as the underworld itself?
So that begs the question, where does a non-Christian who refuses to accept Christ or a Christian sinner go after death? And where does a good Christian go?
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 07-20-2006
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Check it out. This site is in no way a Christian site. It is a spoof site, obviously mocking and ridiculing Christians. Its done very well and someone has obviously taken a great deal of trouble over it!! <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Hey, Habu...
How many gods do you have?
Habu says: 'I don't know... I lost count!'
Wouldn't you rather have just one God who loves you a bunch than a bunch of gods that don't love you at all?
Jesus loves everybody, even the unsaved like Habu! Remember to pray for Habu and others like him that they may find Jesus and accept Him into their hearts!
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Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 07-20-2006
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Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-20-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jul 19 2006, 08:22 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jul 19 2006, 08:22 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> My point was that even they know that Indian Christians are fueled by the same intolerant doctrine today which after its inception butchered into conversion the ancient Greeks and destroyed Greek civilisation.
And where does a good Christian go?
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Hi Husky,
I was using the cartoon which was very much there in the link you sent to point out that a lot of these sites exaggerate, in the heat of their passion, and are sometimes unknowingly deceptive, just like that cartoon was . Even the photo...how can we tell, really, that those bodies are of those "killed for refusing to convert"? I can put up any number of pictures of dead bodies on my web site and label them, "Pictures of Indians killed for refusing to emigrate to New Zealand"...would you believe me? Please, lets have a sense of proportion. Whatever happened in the Middle Ages, modern Christians are NOT desperate to convert people on paper. What Christians look for is inner conversion...and that cannot be done by threatening to shoot anyone, or really shooting anyone!! The idea is totally ridiculous. Obviously those poor people were killed by someone. It may have been Christians, certainly; or Hindus, or Muslims, or Parsees. But for conversion? Which idiot today would shoot to convert? Only the same idiot who would shoot to force people to emigrate, maybe ;-)
Yes, Paradise is not an original hebrew word....but so what? neither was Logos, and yet that is the term his closest disciple used in the Bible to explain to people influenced by the Greeks who jesus was. Today, in India, I may say He is an avatar...whats wrong with that? thats being contextual. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. But do grant me the right to use any word i want, and believe anything I want, as long as I am not forcing it down anyone's throat. ;-)
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Bharatvarsh - 07-20-2006
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Well the enormous missionary apparaturs speaks volumes about the truth.
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But that was the same idea Christians practiced in massacring millions of non Christians everywhere in the world until recently, in India we have the Goan Inquisition as a testimony (by the way that criminal Xavier is termed a saint).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Obviously those poor people were killed by someone. It may have been Christians, certainly; or Hindus, or Muslims, or Parsees. But for conversion? Which idiot today would shoot to convert? Only the same idiot who would shoot to force people to emigrate, maybe ;-)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh please, don't act so naive, you ask us which idiots shoot to force conversions, apparently they do it routinely in Iraq, in Egypt and in countless other Muslim states and in India's North East. In the North East apparently Christians want "Nagaland for Christ" and here is NFLT talking:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The outlawed National Liberation Front of Tripura warned that any tribal members seen taking part in the festival would be killed.
In a statement, the NLFT said it wanted all tribespeople in Tripura to become Christians
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Don't think Hindus have forgotten the insults of the Inquisition, the colonialism, the missionary insults and the latest insult by the Pope when he refused to apologise for the Goan Inquisition.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
annamma ........tell me.... why are you after a religion that
1) celebrates the birth day of its founder on the day roman god mitras was born
2) celebrates the pagan festival of solstice as the birthday of its founder
3) believes that the founder was born without intercourse
4) believes that he rose from the dead
5) has killed more people (3 continents wiped out) than communism and islam
6) uses a highly plagiarised and self contradictory book as its holy book.
7) is actually created by someone else (shaul/saul/paul) other than the assumed founder.
8) is in all probabiity is not the real version (the gnostics or essenes had the authentic version of christianity)
9) takes bits and pieces from every religion/culture known - persians, greeks, hebrews, sumerians, romans, germanic paganism, egyptian legends, buddhism et al - christianiy without a doubt is the last pagan religion and christians are pagans in denial.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 07-21-2006
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Scroll down to the bottom of the page http://ethnikoi.org/menu.html and see the picture of murdered Hindus, which the Australian <i>Ethnikoi</i> Greeks have captioned below as <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"bodies of Hindus who refused to convert to Christianity"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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These pictures first appeared on hinduhumanrights.org
This site is banned by Sonia
In north east India, in places like Tripura, the NLFT is killing people for refusing to convert to xtianity
These dead people are victims of NLFT massacre about 2 years ago
Dont believe me, then search google for NLFT and Tripura
Even BBC websites show the forced conversion to xtianity of NLFT
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
I got this interesting SPAM in my mailbox.
http://www.christiandebttrust.com/default.aspx
Wonder WTF they are upto with this ?
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
worst scam, scaming elderly and rural christian population.
Sometime back it came on TV.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
I wonder if the problem is that we tend to see ourselves as being part of one religion, with others as our enemies. Maybe it is better to see ourselves as human beings, and being aware that all human beings down the ages have been mean and cruel to each other, whatever their religious tag. Some are cruel to their own people, some are cruel to people outside "their" community/ religion. Europeans conquered and exploited Indians (of all religions) and Indians conquered and exploited each other. Americans invaded Iraq, and Iraq invaded Kuwait. Men oppress and rape women, amd women manipulate men. Christians burnt witches, and Hindus burnt widows, and Muslims burnt down WTCs. Christians ordered doctrine-based inquisitions, Hindus and Muslims order caste-based / honour- based killings.
None of us can, IMO, take the high moral ground, because humans have failed miserably at living morally...everywhere.
Yet in our desperation to feel good about ourselves, each group claims it is holy and pure, and others are to blame for everything. So Hindus blame Christians and Muslims, Muslims blame Hindus and Christians, Christians blame Hindus and Muslims and on and on, ad nauseum.
Well, my suggestion is that we should get out of that vicious cycle. All people have done lousy things, whatever the religious tag they bear. Most of the time, those who do these crazy violent acts don't know the first thing about God. Right?
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
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can we have links to that please.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 07-21-2006
annama dear, will you please answer my question. why the soft corner for someone who had such an unnatural birth and death??