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Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 08-11-2006
Resignation of Minister sought
Special Correspondent
"Dilwar violated Constitutional oath"
JAIPUR: Activist groups have sought the removal of Rajasthan Social Welfare Minister Madan Dilwar and setting up an enquiry into the hate-campaign against the Christian population in the State in the wake of the controversy over a book allegedly distributed by the Kota-based Emmanuel Mission International. Mr.Dilwar, against whom 20 cases were registered in a period of 14 years, had violated his constitutional oath as minister by spreading hatred between communities, they charged.
The groups, which met media persons here on Thursday to appraise them of the Rajasthan High Court order of August 8 -- which restored the registration of all the five societies run by EMI -- said if the State Government did not act against Mr.Dilwar, they would register cases against him for spreading ill will, torture of inmates of orphanage run by EMI and misuse of his official powers.
NHRC to be approached
The activists propose to approach the National Human Rights Commission, National Minorities Commission and the Rajasthan Governor to seek justice against the Minister. "Mr. Dilwar should be removed and a case should be filed against him under Section 153 A (spreading hatred between communities) among others," demanded Kavita Srivastava, general secretary of the Rajasthan PUCL. "It was not alone the Minister. The State Government, which is anti-minority in its approach, had given him a free hand in the past," she stated.
"Mr.Dilwar, who hails from Kota region, had acted against EMI on account of personal prejudices. He crossed all limits in initiating cancellation of the registration of the EMI societies by influencing the bureaucracy under him," Sawai Singh, president of the Rajasthan Samagra Seva Sangh said. "The order from the Double Bench of the High Court staying the Government action is ample proof for this," he stated.
"The court order has come as a reassurance to the minorities in the State. For the past one year it had been almost an orchestrated campaign against the minorities, especially the Christians, in Rajasthan. The Minister often misused his position to prosecute EMI functionaries and to close down the institutions run by it," Engineer Mohammed Saleem, president of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind, Rajasthan said. "Mr.Dilwar is a blot on our democratic system," he asserted.
Others who addressed the media include the representatives of Rajasthan Christian Fellowship, Rajasthan Bodh Mahasabha, National Muslim Women's Welfare Society, AITUC, CITU, Rajasthan State Bank Employees Federation, National Federation of Indian Women, Dalit Human Rights Campaign and Rajasthan Kisan Sabha.
EMI's spokesman in the Capital, John Mathew, said after six months of "official repression" the institutions run by the group were trying to set things in order. "It may take some time as the intention of those behind the action against us was our total annihilation," he said.
ABVP men create ruckus
Special Correspondent
JAIPUR: A group of students belonging to the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad barged into the conference hall of the Rajasthan University guesthouse to disrupt the press conference on the recent High Court verdict on the Emmanuel Mission International (EMI).
About four dozen youth, who earlier were found jumping over the compound wall of the guesthouse to enter its premises, led by a local ABVP leader, shouted slogans against EMI and the activist groups and stalled the proceedings for 20 minutes. "We will not allow any anti-national activity here. This is the challenge of ABVP," they said asking media persons to leave the place.
"Desh drohiyon ko phansi do" (hang the traitors) the youths shouted even as the guest house manger as well as Prakash Chaturvedi, a varsity doyen and two times member of the Rajasthan University Syndicate, tried to talk peace with them.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-11-2006
Acharya,
Link please.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 08-11-2006
http://www.ptsem.edu/iym/downloads/athol.PDF
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-14-2006
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<b>Religion-related fraud getting worse </b>
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
Sun Aug 13, 3:53 PM ET
Randall W. Harding sang in the choir at Crossroads Christian Church in Corona, Calif., and donated part of his conspicuous wealth to its ministries. In his business dealings, he underscored his faith by naming his investment firm JTL, or "Just the Lord." Pastors and churchgoers alike entrusted their money to him.
By the time Harding was unmasked as a fraud, he and his partners had stolen more than $50 million from their clients, and Crossroads became yet another cautionary tale in what investigators say is a worsening problem plaguing the nation's churches.
Billions of dollars has been stolen in religion-related fraud in recent years, according to the North American Securities Administrators Association, a group of state officials who work to protect investors.
Between 1984 and 1989, about $450 million was stolen in religion-related scams, the association says. In its latest count â from 1998 to 2001 â the toll had risen to $2 billion. Rip-offs have only become more common since.
"The size and the scope of the fraud is getting larger," said Patricia Struck, president of the securities association and administrator of the Wisconsin Department of Financial Institutions, Division of Securities. "The scammers are getting smarter and the investors don't ask enough questions because of the feeling that they can be safe in church."
Cases in recent years show just how vulnerable religious communities are.
Lambert Vander Tuig, a member of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest Calif., ran a real estate scam that bilked investors out of $50 million, the    Securities and Exchange Commission says. His salesmen presented themselves as faithful Christians and distributed copies of "The Purpose Driven Life," by Saddleback pastor Rick Warren, according to the SEC. Warren and his church had no knowledge of Vander Tuig's activities, says the SEC.
At Daystar Assembly of God Church in Prattville, Ala., a congregant persuaded church leaders and others to invest about $3 million in real estate a few years ago, promising some profits would go toward building a megachurch. The Daystar Assembly was swindled and lost its building.
And in a dramatically broader scam, leaders of Greater Ministries International, based in Tampa, Fla., defrauded thousands of people of half a billion dollars by promising to double money on investments that ministry officials said were blessed by God. Several of the con men were sentenced in 2001 to more than a decade each in prison.
"Many of these frauds are, on their face, very credible and legitimate appearing," said Randall Lee, director of the Pacific regional office of the SEC. "You really have to dig below the surface to understand what's going on."
Typically, a con artist will target the pastor first, by making a generous donation and appealing to the minister's desire to expand the church or its programs, according to Joseph Borg, director of the Alabama Securities Commission, who played a key role in breaking up the Greater Ministries scam.
If the pastor invests, churchgoers view it as a tacit endorsement. The con man, often promising double digit returns, will chip away at resistance among church members by suggesting they can donate part of their earnings to the congregation, Borg says.
"Most folks think `I'm going to invest in some overseas deal or real estate deal and part of that money is going to the church and I get part. I don't feel like I'm guilty of greed,'" Borg says.
If a skeptical church member openly questions a deal, that person is often castigated for speaking against a fellow Christian.
Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation Inc. in Dallas, which investigates fraud and televangelism, partly blames the churches themselves for the problem. Anthony contends that the "prosperity gospel" â which teaches that the truly faithful are rewarded with wealth in this life â is creeping into mainstream churches.
Chuck Crites, a former member of Crossroads Church, learned firsthand how effective con artists can be.
The businessman was swindled out of $500,000 by Harding in a Ponzi scheme, which uses money from newer investors to pay off older ones.
Crites said Harding, who pleaded guilty last year to wire fraud and money laundering, boasted about helping fund a new Christian high school for Crossroads and hired a music pastor from the megachurch as a sales agent. "At one point he even told me how much money he had given to the church that year," Crites said.
Harding was nabbed with the help of Barry Minkow, who was himself convicted of fraud years ago. Minkow eventually became a pastor in San Diego and started the Fraud Discovery Institute, which is dedicated to investigating scams.
Crites is putting his money toward a new fraud-awareness kit for churches and other groups that Minkow is developing.
"It made me angry at how people are abusing the trust that exists in church communities," Crites said.
Investigators say all denominations are at risk, but the most susceptible communities are ones where members are deeply engaged in church activities, such as service programs and small group prayer, giving con artists plenty of chance to ingratiate themselves with congregants.
Often, perpetrators are so successful building an image as good Christians that churchgoers won't cooperate with law enforcement authorities even after the crime is revealed.
"Money has a way of blinding objectivity, even for we who are believers," Minkow says.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060813/ap_on_...ng_the_faithful
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Are Indian christians even aware of the extent of christian fraudulent practices worldwide? Imagine the scale at which it must be happening in India, where majority of pastors and priests, and nuns, are having a ball at the expense of their poor parishers. Actually money swindling in christianity in the west is not a recent phenemenon. It is an age old practice, dating back from the time of establishment of the church. It was an accepted practice for the churches to swindle money from the rich and poor alike to enrichen their coffers. No questions of morality and ethics of such practices were ever raised within the church.
The scale of their exploits are never investigated in countries like India, lest the 'good' name of christianity is spoiled and hinders the conversion agenda of the missionaries. Add money swindling to the sexual exploitation of children and women, and the list of misdeeds of christianity just grows more impressive!
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Bharatvarsh - 08-16-2006
Christian Propaganda in full swing:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why Hindus Hate Christian Goa
http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/hindus-hate-goa.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-18-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Posted on 17 August, 2006
Daily Sanatan Prabhat
Mumbai :At Kannamvar Nagar, Vikhroli, staunch Hindus drove away Christian missionaries for propogating Christainity. The missionaries went to building no. 158 in the area and visited houses of Shri Mohan and Shri Amar and told them about Christianity. Both of them were answering the missionaries quite bluntly. After listening to what missionaries had to say about the destruction at Kuru-kshetra, they requested the missionaries to watch an episode that was being shown on TV on Sri Krushna; but the missionaries refused.
Shri Mohan told them that if he takes the name of Jesus, would they take the name of Sri Ram. The missionaries were then panicked. To get entrance in the building, the missionaries had taken some fake Hindu names; but their identity cards showed other names. When they were questioned about the difference in names, they had no answers. The Hindus told them, âWe have accepted your books, now you too hold our holy book âMahabharatâ for sometime.â The missionaries asked for pardon and said that they could not do so. The staunch Hindus then warned them that such things would not be tolerated in that area and drove them away. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Suicide of Krishna devotee by Missionary humiliation</b> www.haindavakeralam.org
8/19/2006 2:54:55 AM HK
Guruvayur:The suicide of Ammini Amma, an ardent devotee of Sri Krishna, who was humiliated by the Christian Missionaries is an ample example of the threat Hinduism is facing from the merciless Conversionist thugs.
<b>Ammini Amma was one among the victim of Kidnapping attempt by Palayur Immanuel Christian Charity organisation for conversion purpose at Guruvayur Temple. The Kidnapping attempt by these followers of Jesus was spoiled then by the timely intervention of Devotees and Hindu organisation</b>.
<b>The photo above depicts her mental agony when she was forced to sit inside the Ambulance of Christian Missionaries.She was crying aloud and praying to Lord Krishna to protect her from these witched wolves.</b>
Ammini Amma was not a destitute as thought by the Missionaries, She was from a reputed family, who wilfully decided to spend her last moments within the divine feets of Sri Guruvayoorappan.This conversion attempt shocked and humiliated her and she decided to end her life under the wheels of a running train.
<b>This conversion attempt was with the support of local police and few Security employees in Guruvayur.</b>The media who runs editorials and serial stories on controversies surrounding Sabarimala and Guruvayur were least bothered by this gruesome incident. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Aug 16 2006, 09:32 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 16 2006, 09:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christian Propaganda in full swing:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why Hindus Hate Christian Goa
http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/hindus-hate-goa.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]55721[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I see it's the same Christo Prakash M who, embarassed by his Hindu first-name, had previously written an article arguing that it was not a Hindu but a 'secular pagan' name. Yeah right.
He's another Goan Christo who denies that the Portuguese Christos destroyed Hindu temples and built Churches on the sites.
Interesting that he imagines Hindus hate Gomantak (or Goa as it is now called). Goa, in spite of the Portuguese Christo tyranny, is still majority Hindu: 2/3 in fact. I don't think they'd be hating their own ancestral province.
Prakash: The pagans are proud and racist, looking upon all foreigners as unclean barbarians (Mlechhas), even if necessity compelled them sometimes to rely upon these Mlechhas to rescue them from their enemies.
Not commenting on his eternal negative use of 'pagans' (I've come across his ravings before) to club us with the Romans whom the early Christians referred to derogatorily as <i>paganus</i>. We're not ancient Romans - besides, they didn't use that term to describe themselves either.
Surprising how Christos always resort to the race-card. We didn't consider ourselves better than the Greeks because of 'race' - neither the Romans, Greeks, Persians nor Hindus knew about races back then; and skin-colour did not influence considerations. (ChristoIslamicsm invented racism.) Greeks used the word barbarians to refer to people outside Greek culture, we used Mlecchas to refer to those outside our own culture whom we did not respect. Yes, the Portuguese Christo tyrants were indeed Mlecchas.
Prakash is being a typical devout Christo, trying to translate Mleccha as 'unclean + barbarian' to make us seem more extreme than the Greeks. But by some accident, he happens to be right in this case: the Portuguese like other Christos of the time, didn't shower at all and so were indeed unclean Mlecchas.
Prakash: They therefore cannot digest the truth that the Goans voluntarily and freely converted to Christianity, and so they invent and spread lies and slanders that Goans were forcibly converted, and that there was a large exodus of those who would not convert.
Goan Hindus <i>were</i> forcibly converted to Christianity, but Hindus were not the ones who publicised it. And the flight to Karnataka is also true. If Prakash and likeminded Goan Christos want to reimagine Christianity's horrible past and think their unfortunate Hindu ancestors voluntarily converted (no different from what the subcontinent's Muslims do), then that's their right. Everyone has the right to self-delusion, as long as they don't try to pass it off as fact in public.
The Portuguese themselves recorded that they converted the Hindus by force. Portuguese Christos narrated full of Christian glee how they caused the destruction of temples and Hindu 'idols', incl. Francis-Of course they sainted me for it-Xavier. Some Goan Christos admit that their ancestors were converted by the brutest of force.
<b>Examples:</b>
<i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 1567 the Captain of Rachol Fort in South Goa bragged to his Portuguese king back home, "For nights and nights went on the demolishing, demolishing, demolishing of 280 Hindu temples. Not one remained in the happy lands of our division." Jesuit historian Francisco de Souza jubilantly praised the feat, "It is incredible--the sentiment that the gentile were seized of when they saw their respective temple burning."
The first missionaries realized early on that despite backing of the state (<b>"conversions were made," wrote contemporary Portuguese chroniclers, with "the cross in one hand, the sword in the other"</b>), it was difficult to wean Goans from their primal Hindu beliefs and traditions.
Noted India cartoonist/illustrator Mario De Miranda confirms his family's fidelity, "I am a Saraswati Brahmin, originally named Sardessai. My ancestors were forcibly converted to Christianity around 1600 and renamed Miranda. We still belong to the Shanta Durga temple and yearly present prasad--oil and a bag of rice--a tradition in my family all these years."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition", Dr. T. R. de Souza, Christian historian</i>:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dr. Trasta Breganka Kunha, a Catholic citizen of Goa writes, "Inspite of all the mutilations and concealment of history, it remains an undoubted fact that religious conversion of Goans is due to methods of force adopted by the Portuguese to establish their rule. As a result of this <b>violence</b> the character of our people was destroyed. The propagation of Christian sect in Goa came about not by religious preaching but through the <b>methods of violence and pressure</b>. If any evidence is needed for this fact, we can obtain it through law books, orders and reports of the local rulers of that time and also from the most dependable documents of the Christian sect.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Back to Prakash M and his wishful rewriting of embarassing history:
Prakash: They spread lies that Goans were forced to convert, but their lies are contradictory and fantastic. Some allege that the converts were made by bread being cast into the wells and water sources, so that those who drank this water lost their caste standings and were forced to convert, since they could no longer remain Gentoo. ... Others allege that the Goans were constrained to conversion by the stratagem of having cows slaughtered and thrown into Goan wells. I ask, if so, where did the Goans drink their water from?
What is this, a pre-emptive strike? Is Prakash exaggerating, in order to auto-immunise ignorant readers for when they in future discover the actual means Portuguese Christos used to force-convert Hindus?
Here is what people knowledgeable about the Portuguese Christo history in India have to say about how conversions were effected:
<i>"Sins of the Missionaries", by Stephen Welch</i><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Duarte Nunes, the missionary prelate of Goa, expressed the same doctrine as early as 1520. (13) Almost five hundred years have since passed, much of that time under the rule of pro-Christian imperial governments, and yet Christians stand at no more than 2.4 percent of India's population. India remains incontrovertibly Hindu. That may be why, out of either impatience or desperation, some missionaries have chosen to adopt more persuasive measures than allurement to secure conversions.
In the time of Duarte Nunes, Jesuits supported by the Portuguese military had Hindus forcibly seized and their lips smeared with pieces of beef, "polluting" them as Hindus and thus making Christianity their only option for salvation. (14) Such blatancy is not possible today. Instead, the violence of others can be used as a threat.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i> says a little more:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Obsessed with quick results, Portuguese evangelists brainwashed with a singular lack of concern for substance and almost psychotic emphasis on form. Numbers mattered, not quality. They force-fed Goan converts beef and pork declaring--<b>incorrectly</b>--that the neophytes could never return to Hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Besides the 'force-feeding beef' method that the Portuguese used (just like their Islamic counterparts did in Kashmir), <i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition" by Dr. T. R. de Souza</i> tells us:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"A particularly grave abuse was practiced in Goa in the form of 'mass baptism' and what went before it. The practice was begun by the Jesuits and was alter initiated by the Franciscans also. The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (January 25), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an 'untouchable' among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now who's racist? The Christos from Portugal turned Africans into slaves and brought them all the way to distant India where the Africans were made to do to others what the Portuguese had done to them: forcible conversion. (Portugal's historic conversion to Christianity was horrid too.) ChristoIslamic intolerance causes its flock to commit such crimes, nothing else.
Though Prakash <i>hasn't given a single reference to corroborate his tale</i> 'Goans willingly converted, they saw the Light of Christ! No Goans were forcibly converted - those are all Hindu lies!', he draws the conclusion he had been heading for:
Prakash: These Gentoo pretensions do not reflect on Portugal but actually betrays the low thinking and tricks to which the pagans are willing to stoop in order to overcome their enemies!
Nah. It's self-evident who betrays 'low thinking and tricks' and is willing to stoop to such depths: certain kinds of Goan Christ<i>oo</i>s (not all of them are ignorant about their history, thankfully). They should stop blaming Hinduism - especially since Christianity is so undeniably at fault.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-21-2006
Husky,
Go ahead, and read his non-Goa-related essays.
That guy is a nutcase. He actually repeatedly quotes this line: <b>error has no rights</b>. By that, he means that <b>all other religions and sects should be suppressed and destroyed</b>.
The tiny amount of tolerance that the RC Church condescends to show us infidels in the last 50 years is a heresy, in this guy's opinion. In the kingdom of the one-eyed, this blind man is king!
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky,
Go ahead, and read his non-Goa-related essays.
That guy is a nutcase. He actually repeatedly quotes this line: error has no rights. By that, he means that <b>all other religions and sects should be suppressed and destroyed</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Prakash is but piously following his exalted forebears and merely echoing what the Church's foremost proponents have stated throughout history (for example the early fathers of the Church, as well as the later Saint Thomas Aquinas).
Devout Indian Christos make good stooges for the Church. Prakash is probably hoping for the Inquisition to come calling so he can finally realise his dreams: become an inquisitor (he knows he'll be good at it) and in that way ascend to sainthood like others have done before.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Bharatvarsh - 08-23-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pastor burns the portraits of Hindu gods
August 22, 2006
Source Deccan Chronicle
Mydukur, Aug. 21: Leaders of Viswa Hindu Parishad, Bajrang Dal and Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh demanded that the police take stern action against the pastors and father of a church, who allegedly burnt the portraits of Hindu gods at Vanipenta in Kadapa district on August 18.
They threatened that they would intensify their agitation if cases were not booked against the Christians. Following a complaint by these leaders, the police registered a case against the Christian pastors and father, said circle-inspector Harinatha Reddy.
The activists led by RSS Zilla Pramukh T Venkateswarlu, district joint secretary B.R. Venkataramana staged a rasta roko at Mydukur on Monday. The leaders alleged that the Christian religious organisations were resorting to religious conversions for the past so many years.
They eyed several Dalitwadas for their religious conversions and as part of it, they organised a meet on August 18 and converted some Hindus into Christians. On the occasion, they reportedly set fire to some portraits of Hindu gods on the premises of the church, they alleged. However, Komara Venkata Ramana, Dumme Pedda Venkanna and G. Venkoji Rao of Vanipenta brought the issue to their notice, the leaders said.
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Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-23-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pastor burns the portraits of Hindu gods</b>
August 22, 2006
Source Deccan Chronicle
Mydukur, Aug. 21: Leaders of Viswa Hindu Parishad, Bajrang Dal and Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh demanded that the police take stern action against the pastors and father of a church, who allegedly burnt the portraits of Hindu gods at Vanipenta in Kadapa district on August 18.
They threatened that they would intensify their agitation if cases were not booked against the Christians. Following a complaint by these leaders,<b> the police registered a case against the Christian pastors and father, said circle-inspector Harinatha Reddy. </b>
The activists led by RSS Zilla Pramukh T Venkateswarlu, district joint secretary B.R. Venkataramana staged a rasta roko at Mydukur on Monday. The leaders alleged that the Christian religious organisations were resorting to religious conversions for the past so many years.
They eyed several Dalitwadas for their religious conversions and as part of it, they organised a meet on August 18 and converted some Hindus into Christians. <b>On the occasion, they reportedly set fire to some portraits of Hindu gods on the premises of the church, </b>they alleged. However, Komara Venkata Ramana, Dumme Pedda Venkanna and G. Venkoji Rao of Vanipenta brought the issue to their notice, the leaders said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 08-24-2006
Is US behind conversions in India?
August 23, 2006 01:13 IST
Right wing Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief K S Suddharshan on Tuesday alleged that the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States, with the help of non-governmental organisations, was indulging in religious conversions in India.
Delivering the special address at a symposium on "Empowerment of Hindu Intelligentsia" organised in connection with Sri Guruji (RSS founder M S Golwakar) Centenary Celebrations in Madurai, he claimed that as soon as George W Bush took over as president, he had allocated $20 billion for the NGOs to work and convert people to Christianity.
"The CIA planned to establish one church in every post office area. The churches would be established within walking distance of each other," he said.
The 'surreptitious' way of organising conversions under the garb of doing service was more dangerous, he said, adding that the NGOs planned to setup schools, hospitals etc to veer the rural people away from their Hindu moorings.
He alleged that the missionaries were also misleading the tribals, with whom they worked, by saying that Aryans had invaded their land.
He said Maoists also posed a threat to the country, "resorting to terrorism" and "just as they did in Nepal, they would attack government offices, including, police stations, etc to demoralise government officials, and bring the area under their control.
He said Muslims were trying to spread their religion by migrating to new areas, infiltration and Jehad. They had become the majority population in some of the districts, he added.
Eminent thinker and journalist Arun Shourie said the domestic media was not writing about the full preparedness of China along India's borders, or about Pakistan trying build mosques madrassas along the borders, and was giving importance to Pakistan's view or terrorists' views.
The RSS should counter the "anti-hindu anti-Indian culture press" only through alternative way of communicating directly to the people, he said.
He also stressed the need for political power to control anti-national forces.
http://www.occ.org/index.asp
Who is being misled here?
India - OCC
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-25-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pope sacks astronomer over evolution debate</b>
By SIMON CALDWELL, Daily Mail
Pope Benedict XVI has sacked his chief astronomer after a series of public clashes over the theory of evolution.
He has removed Father George Coyne from his position as director of the Vatican Observatory after the American Jesuit priest repeatedly contradicted the Holy See's endorsement of "intelligent design" theory, which essentially backs the "Adam and Eve" theory of creation.
Benedict favours intelligent design, which says God directs the process of evolution, over Charles Darwinâs original theory which holds that species evolve through the random, unplanned processes of genetic mutation and the survival of the fittest.
But Father Coyne, the director of the Vatican Observatory for 28 years, is an outspoken supporter of Darwinâs theory, arguing that it is compatible with Christianity.
He has been replaced by Argentine Jesuit Father Jose Funes, 43, an expert on disk galaxies.
Although the Vatican did not give reasons for Father Coyneâs replacement, sources close to the Holy See say that Benedict would have been unhappy with the priestâs public opposition to intelligent design theory.
Father Coyneâs most notable intervention came after Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna, a former student of the Pope, put the case for intelligent design in an article in the New York Times in July last year.
<b>Debate</b>
The cardinal, responding to an explosive debate on evolution in the US, had argued that Darwinian concepts of "random variation and natural selection" were incompatible with the Catholic belief that there is a divine purpose and design to nature.
The cardinal also said that the evolution had become an atheistic ideological dogma that was being used against the Church.
The views of Cardinal Schonborn, one of the authors of the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church, were criticised just a month later in an article written by Father Coyne for the London-based Tablet magazine.
God "is not constantly intervening, but rather allows, participates, loves," Fr Coyne wrote, adding: "Religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator or designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly.
"Perhaps God should be seen more as a parent or as one who speaks encouraging and sustaining words."
The priest later attacked intelligent design theory as a "religious movement" lacking any scientific merit.
Speaking at a conference in Florida a year ago, Father Coyne said that "intelligent design isn't science, even if it pretends to be".
Then in a November interview, the 73-year-old priest said the Pope should withhold judgment on the issue, saying he "doesn't have the slightest idea of what intelligent design means in the U.S.".
<b>Evolution</b>
Benedict, one of the most respected theologians in the Catholic Church, is understood to be deeply interested in the evolution debate, and has referred to the cosmos as an "intelligent project".
One source indicated that Cardinal Schonbornâs New York Times article would not have been written without the Pope's permission.
The removal of Father Coyne also comes just weeks before the Vatican hosts a weekend seminar to examine the impact Darwin's theory on the Church's teaching of Creation.
The observatory has its origins in the observational tower erected at the Vatican by Pope Gregory XIII in 1578 during reforms of the Western calendar.
In 1800 the Church began to use the tower for astronomy and in 1891 Pope Leo XIII formally established the Vatican Observatory.
It has been entrusted to the Jesuits since 1934. Observatory staff work from facilities south of Rome and the University of Arizona in Tucson.
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So much for the scientific character of the church!
Nothing much seems to have changed in this medieval institution. If given power once again, the church will stifle, or dismiss, ALL scientific endeavors, except the ones that prove jesus's existence and that he was son of god. For all those christians who read this, and somehow think that science in the western world progressed because of christianity, here'e the contemporary proof that christianity and science are NOT, and have never been since its advent, compatible.
After scientific quests and enquiries had been stifled for centuries by the church, progress was made only after the church and state became separated in most european countires, and christianity no longer had the firm hold on people to the extent it did before. And now, once again, the church COMMANDS what and how a scientific study should be done, and if the results are incompatible with what the church wants its followers to believe, that study is completely dismissed. Thank God that the church can no longer condemn the scientist who proves something contrary to the bible to his death.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-25-2006
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Ranchi, Aug 24: Jharkhand tribal leaders and priests want immediate stripping of reservation facilities of past members of their community who are now converted Christians.
The tribal group, known as Sarna, has demanded that the reservation facilities provided to tribal Christians be stopped immediately.
The Kendriya Sarna Samiitee (KSS), one of the prominent organisations, has taken the lead in making the demand.
"The tribals who have converted to Christianity should be stripped of the scheduled tribe category status. They should not be given reservation facilities in government jobs and educational institutions," said Ajay Tirkey, president of KSS.
"The Supreme Court ruling says that the converted tribals can enjoy reservation facilities only when they practise the Sarna tradition. Here converted tribals follow the Christian traditions," Tirkey said.
The Sarna Samiti cites the examples of the difference between the converts and original tribals.
Supporting the view, Arjun Oraon, another tribal leader, said "The Christian missionaries convert our people allurement and then force them to follow their culture, tradition, mode of prayer and other things."
He said, "The tribal Christians should not clubbed with us as it will pose danger to our existence. They are provided all facilities by the missionaries and we cannot compete with them. If this continues then the spirit of reservation will not work in our favour."
The tribals also cited the Supreme Court ruling in case of a tribal girl marrying an upper caste Hindu.
"While the child of that woman loses all facilities provided by the government to tribals, the same should be applied in case of converted Christians as well," they argued.
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Glad to know that more and more communities in India are becoming aware of the deceptive practices of christian missionaries and evangelists, and the extent to which the christian converts, at the encouragement of these evangelists and missionaries, are now exploiting the reservations for their benefit.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - shamu - 08-27-2006
Does anybody know when North Indian (and present Pakistani) christians were converted? They typically carry surname "Masih".
Who was behind that effort? Were they converted during British rule or even before that?
What is the origin of name "Masih"? Sounds like Messiah.
What are their Hindu roots? Were they from all Hindu castes or from a particular community?
What is the geographical area they live in?
How well off are they? How do they act politically?
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-27-2006
Majority of very poor Harijans converted to Chritianity to protect life during partition. Majority of them were Hari /harijans/bonded labor/product of Harem.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - acharya - 08-29-2006
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=3c13...af703c92.703761
Invasion Thru Conversion (English)
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Evil Act of Desciples of Jesus
5/5 stars 08-28-2006by guru4vedi
Only evils will have the illegal ways to popularize their practices. This is the time we need swami vivekananda kind of preachers. We know about best christ machinaries like kittel. Their contribution to indian languages have been marvelous. Hope they never tried to christify innocents in the name of god. This is as cruel as a CHILD RAPE. You think it losts longer? I can't beleive open societies like the US are funding this kind of EVIL ACT.
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NICE WORK
5/5 stars 08-27-2006by ghost_in_quest_for_bodies
this is really a nice work by some good people.... lets join our hands together and promote this video and start awakening those people who are helplessly converted into christians... and also a warning to those foreign missionaries who think they can convert everyone by just dipping into a tub of water... lets bring back our mother culture alive once agian... BHARAT MATA KI JAI....... VANDEMATARAM...
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Deep knowledge of hinduism is must
4/5 stars 08-26-2006by shrinathns
Hi its very unfortunate that these things are happening in our country...see west ,there (Example Norway) the church going population has decreased...these missionaries think by converting people to cristianity they will please jesus...if thats so then why west is leaning towards indian philosophy?? majority of them who get converted are illiterate people who dosen't have deep knowledge of hinduism...the more they get educated the less likely that they will convert...moreover its our politicians whom we should blame...see for example 90 % of hindus are againist the coversion then how these guys do politics and laugh at our inability...we should let every hindu understand that its not the caste which is important its the faith which is more important...And we should stop treating dalits and backwards as of lesser human being....
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Invasion Thru Conversion
5/5 stars 08-24-2006by ht_praveena
This is an excellent video. This is a must watch for each and every true hindus.
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It's really a good message for every Indian
5/5 stars 08-24-2006by chanakya98
I am THnakful to the persons who ever made this video. Really we all should do something for our religion and our country.
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Disheartening....... the barbaric act... in the name of God.....
2/5 stars 08-23-2006by bpsmuralidar
I really cant go past more then 50% of the video..... its paining to see how innocent people are being taken for a ride.... exploting their poverty and needs.... I'm really feeling ashamed and this state of helplessness is really a horrible feeling.... Oh God save us... save hindu culture....
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Excellent Video
5/5 stars 08-23-2006by itsvenkathere
I have to thank the producers of the video. This is really an eye opening and what is said here is absoloutely true. Look at what they did in Tirumala. Thousands of years it was 7 hills. But now suddenly government is saying it has 2 Hills. Also, now they have started spreading bad rumors on Sabari Mala. They destroy us strategically. We need to be united and stand up atlease now. Friends please Wake Up!!
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We (Hindus) screwed up the whole thing!!!
2/5 stars 08-23-2006by tallman74us
You cannot blame anyone for this conversion except ourselves as a hindu... some stupid idiots.... created this caste system... one point of time.. lower caste suffered and now upper caste with quota... because of those sufferings... by lower caste earlier... they switched religion... who cares... what religion they belong...as long as they get some respect...
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WOW!! Good work!
5/5 stars 08-23-2006by sonthalia_m
I cannot thank you enough for brininging awarness amongst indians by putting out a very informative and wonderful video. I am apalled to learn that our government is sitting idle while this is allowed to happen in out own country. We have a history of sitting idle while foreigners came and absolutely raped our country for centuries. I hope this brings some much needed awarness amongst people and government alike!! I would also like to point out the most important aspect of this video...NORTHEAST. It is like forgotten part of India and learning that 90% + people are converted christians in 4 states are mind-boggling. Why is not everyone apalled by this statitstic or activly doing something about it? Don't we learn from our past?? Lastly, I am very thankful to you and your organization for brining awarness to this issue. Anything I can do to help please free to contact me!! JAI HIND!!
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-29-2006
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BJP says Sonia encouraging conversions to Christianity
NEW DELHI, AUG 8 (PTI)
The BJP today attacked Congress chief Sonia Gandhi for opposing anti-conversion laws alleging she was encouraging proselytism.
BJP leader Vijay Kumar Malhotra told reporters that his party regarded Gandhi's comments on anti-conversion laws as a reflection of the Congress' "anti-Hindu mindset".
"Also, this shows she is encouraging missionaries engaged in conversions to Christianity," he said citing the Congress leader's comments in a letter to a Christian group that her party had opposed anti-conversion legislations in the BJP-ruled states.
Malhotra, however, insisted Madhya Pradesh had adopted a similar legislation more than five decades ago when the Congress was in power both in the state and at the Centre.
"This anti-conversion legislation came in Madhya Pradesh during the Nehru government. Orissa too had it when the Congress was in power there," he said.
In his comments on the Pathak authority report, Malhotra, whose party yesterday called it "half-truth", today dubbed it a "fraud and a farce" and said the BJP was preparing itself for a debate on it in Parliament.
Also, the BJP will raise its voice strongly over the Bofors issue in the light of former Union Minister Arun Singh's remarks that the deal did involve kickbacks, he added.
He, however, remained noncommittal on plans to bring in a no-trust motion against Somnath Chatterjee, whom the NDA accused of suppressing the Opposition's voice, saying any such decision would be taken only after consulting allies.
Also, the BJP leader, who expressed dissatisfaction with the government's response to lab reports on Coca Cola and Pepsi, demanded both companies be asked to display ingredients of the drinks on the bottle labels.
Christian Missionary Role In India - 6 - Guest - 08-29-2006
The documentary at http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=3c13...af703c92.703761 is indeed very painful to watch. This documentary needs to be viewed by as many Indians (Hindus) as possible, and by even non-christians in other countries who are fighting christianity's efforts to obliterate their culture and belief system, to create greater awareness on the conversion agenda of these missionaries (pretending to be social workers) and the tactics used by them to convert poor and innocent Indians. While watching this documentary, each time the missionary dunks a poor hindu into the water to baptise him to christianity, one has a very strong and ruthless urge to haul this missionary and dunk HIM in the water, and HOLD him there until eternity. It's not to counter-baptise the guy, but to count one less missionary in the world!