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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-25-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Apr 22 2008, 02:32 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Apr 22 2008, 02:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Apr 21 2008, 12:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mudy @ Apr 21 2008, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Any guess on Hillary PA win?
My take - 10%-17%
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Will be a lot closer. In urban/city areas where color comes into play, lot of 'street money' is being pumped.
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Well Mudyji, I stand corrected. You were right on the button with 10%.
What do you think about the video that Republican's are putting out in NC? Will NC go the way of SC?
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-25-2008
NC will be very close. Black will vote for Obama, It is near to SC ,so lot of Blacks had registered again to vote in NC. 29% of black are registered democrats in NC, I will add 1% new black voters. 95% will vote for Obama. In polls Whites are saying they will vote for Obama but Wright and Bitter issue is not going well with even educated and even Duke University Lacrosse case impact, we may see surprise. Lot of Republicans had registered to vote for Obama, but that may change. Forts can change equation.
Currently they are saying 15% gap, which is a joke, It is very much possible Hillary may throw upset.
In Philly area, lot of outsiders new voters voted and gave face saving number to Obama.
Phone calls had just started in NC, give me time to monitor call data, by weekend I will have clear picture.
Till then enjot this
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US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-25-2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208996544...in_commentaries
Good piece, if you can stand Karl Rove. (I did not inhale while I read this piece <!--emo&
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US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-25-2008
Latest individual poll on RCP shows HC trailing by 6% (though average is 15%). Go Hill!
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-25-2008
2 weeks between next round ,lot can change, Larry Sinclair is not going away and other problem may prop up. At this stage poll can change.
Hill voluenter team is amazing. Even in primary people are so involved, now it against Obama motivation is bringing them together.
Till now he is on dot -
Vedic astrology
2008 US Presidential Election
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-25-2008
Viren,
Here is NC phone call - one snap
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A guy said he was Republican and wants to vote for her and do whatever he can to help her win the election. I referred him to www.hillaryclinton.com site to help out but did not have the answer about Republicans. I know here in PA we had a deadline to change parties.
I only made 7 calls before I got this question but the outcome of these calls were:
2 definetly Hillary
1 WAS undecided but now definetly supports Hillary (because of NO child left behind). This voter had me on the phone for over a half hour and I loved it!
1 Republican who wants to change parties and vote for Hillary
1 Answering machine
1 Call me back
1 Child (Parent not Home).
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By Monday I can give you better trend after 25000 calls outcome.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-25-2008
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...stractions.html
Good one. I personally dont care for the author, but in this one I think he is right..
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-25-2008
Shambu: Good article. What people forget is that Hillary's been subject to these 'distractions' for past 25 plus years including one funded by tax-payers ($40 million spent by Ken Starr). Barak's halo is fading just after a year and half? His vulnerablity was first shown when he was forced to make that race speech. This Sunday he's going on Fox despite a committment to not appear on Fox.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-26-2008
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-26-2008
<b>Clinton comment: Threat or prank</b>?<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Evansville police are investigating a possible threat against Hillary Clinton posted on the Facebook website. Â
The person who wrote the comment allegedly<b> has ties to the local Barack Obama office.</b>
<b>He apparently was one of the few who met Senator Obama when he was in Evansville on Tuesday</b>.
Now the man has added his own negative twist to the campaign by making an alleged threat against Senator Hillary Clinton.Â
The young man who posted the comment, reportedly a student at USI, is said to be actively involved in the local Obama campaign.
14 News went to his Facebook page and found a picture of him with Senator Obama.
He also writes that he worked with the motorcade during Obama's visit to Evansville on Tuesday.
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US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-26-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Apr 25 2008, 11:35 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Apr 25 2008, 11:35 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shambu: Good article. What people forget is that Hillary's been subject to these 'distractions' for past 25 plus years including one funded by tax-payers ($40 million spent by Ken Starr). Barak's halo is fading just after a year and half? His vulnerablity was first shown when he was forced to make that race speech. This Sunday he's going on Fox despite a committment to not appear on Fox.
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Yep, BO is waking up to the real world. He thought he could get away with telling people one thing while doing the opposite in his personal life (like saying he will unite and transcend race -- while attending a racist church)..etc. Worked for a while. But you can't fool all the people all the time. He wants young people to not care, older people to vote out of white-guilt. Seems young over-PC black-acceptability-seeking people still dont care about BO's intentional "missteps", but many people are catching up with what is really going on with this new "messiah"..
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-26-2008
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...clinton_an.html
Lead in popular vote gives HC the edge
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-28-2008
Today Wright did pretty nice JFK mocking, lets see how media will play. Fox will have field day. <!--emo&
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-28-2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...laryclinton.usa
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hillary has cynically turned to the one argument she has left: race
She failed to convince the electorate of her own viability. Now her team claims that voters won't back a black candidate
It is one of the enduring paradoxes of American racism that those black Americans most likely to exercise their full rights as citizens - to vote, to stand, to speak out - are the most likely to be branded as unpatriotic.
"Of course the fact that a person believes in racial equality doesn't prove that he's a communist," said the chairman of a loyalty review board, one of the McCarthyite kangaroo courts that sat in judgment of possible communists, in the 50s. "But it certainly makes you look twice, doesn't it? You can't get away from the fact that racial equality is part of the communist line."
Assuming that African-Americans could not possibly work out that white supremacy was not in their interests by themselves, their detractors routinely accused them of acting under influences both foreign and malign. The FBI wasted millions of dollars and hours trying in vain to prove that Martin Luther King was a communist. For those who would not know their place and were not assassinated, the punishment was often the revocation of whatever rights of citizenship they had. Already denied the vote, freedom of movement and association, Paul Robeson was refused a passport in 1950 and confined to the US. When his lawyers asked why, they were told that "his frequent criticism of the treatment of blacks in the United States should not be aired in foreign countries". In 1963 the intellectual and activist WEB Dubois was similarly grounded without passport privileges and so moved to the recently liberated Ghana.
The struggle for racial equality in America has always essentially been a battle for full citizenship. In a country founded on the principles of the enlightenment and built on the backs of slaves, it has long exposed the tension between the country's promise and its practice. The founding fathers held both that all men were equal - and that a slave was worth three-fifths of a man. Sooner or later, the nation would implode under the weight of these constitutional contradictions.
It took the best part of 200 years for the law to catch up. In Barack Obama's candidacy we are now learning how far America's political culture has come in this regard and how far it still has to go. Because, for all the misty-eyed liberal talk of him ushering in a post-racial era, the past few weeks have seen Obama fighting not just for the nomination but for his patriotic legitimacy. Constantly questioning his national loyalty and obfuscating his religious affiliation, both the media and his opponents have sought to cast him not only as anti-American but un-American and at times even non-American. His bid to transcend race appears to be crashing on the rocks of racism.
"Race is intertwined with a broader notion that he is not one of us," Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Centre, told the New York Times. Pew conducted an extensive examination of voter attitudes, particularly among Democrats who have an unfavourable view of Obama. "They react negatively to people who are seen as different."
The point here is not whether white people are prepared to vote for him. First, they clearly are. Of the 10 whitest states to have voted so far, Obama has won nine. And there are countless reasons why people don't back him that have nothing to do with race - not least that they prefer another candidate on their merits.
At issue is the insidious and racist manner in which his candidacy is now being framed as that of a nefarious, foreign interloper whose allegiance to his country is inherently inauthentic and instinctively suspect.
Some of these charges have long emerged from familiar and predictable places. As early as last year, Rupert Murdoch's Fox News falsely claimed that he had attended an Islamist madrasa while a young boy in Indonesia. When rightwing radio hosts refer to him they generally emphasise and repeat his middle name - Hussein - even though Obama rarely uses it.
But soon these attacks shifted from the political margins to the mainstream. During the recent ABC debate, Obama was grilled about his refusal to wear an American flag tiepin. One of the moderators asked Obama of his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "You do believe he's as patriotic as you are?"
Having given up on the African-American vote, the Clintons have clearly decided that it makes more electoral sense to collude with these attacks than it does to raise the tenor of the discussion and challenge them. During the ABC debate, Hillary applauded the line of questioning. "You know, these are problems, I think these are issues that are legitimate and should be explored."
Being foreign, Muslim or unpatriotic should not be treated as slurs. But in a post 9/11 framework, the Clintons know full well how these allusions will be understood and what the consequences might be. When asked whether Obama was a Muslim, Hillary said that he wasn't: "There is nothing to base that on - as far as I know."
Three days after Obama made his landmark speech on race, Bill Clinton said of a potential match-up between Hillary Clinton and McCain: "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." The implication was that Obama doesn't love his country and all this "racial" stuff is just getting in the way.
All this does have an effect. By February, 80% of Americans had heard rumours that Obama was Muslim. Even after the furore over the Rev Wright, one in 10 Democrats still believed this. A recent Pew poll showed that the only character trait on which Obama loses to Clinton is patriotism. Exit polls in Pennsylvania revealed that 18% of Democrats said that race mattered to them in this contest - and just 63% of them said that they would support Obama in a general election.
Unable to beat Obama on delegates and still unlikely to beat him in the popular vote, Hillary Clinton has just one strategy left - to persuade superdelegates that Obama is unelectable. She has tried branding him as inexperienced and slick-tongued, and neither of those have worked. At this stage she has just one argument left: his race. For several months now, her aides have been whispering to whoever would listen that America would never elect a black candidate. In desperation, some are now raising their voices.
But their accusations are not only cynical - by most accounts they also seem to be wrong. It seems they have underestimated the potential of the American electorate. Polls show that in the states won with less than a five-point margin in 2004 Obama does far better than Clinton against McCain.
The problem is not that Hillary Clinton is still in the race. She has every right to be. It is that she is running the kind of race that she is. Having failed to convince voters of the viability of her own candidacy, she is now committed to proving the unviability of his.
Hillary once said it takes a village to raise a child. Now she seems determined to destroy the village in order to save it.
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Rajesh,
You should read transcripts of last two days of enlighten thoughts from Rev Wright. He is actually promoting segregration again by saying Black and White brain function differently that is why white perform better in education because education system is designed for white people by white people.
This man is really scary, Obama/Wright ticket will do wonder in America.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
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Lead in popular vote gives HC the edge
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Some points from this article needs to be highlighted since we don't hear about in the media that's already made up it's mind.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Her 214,000-vote margin in the Keystone State means that <b>she has won the votes, in primaries and caucuses, of 15,112,000 Americans, compared to 14,993,000 for Obama. </b>
If you add in the votes, as estimated by the folks at realclearpolitics.com, in the Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine caucuses, where state Democratic parties did not count the number of caucus-attenders, <b>Clinton still has a lead of 12,000 votes.</b>
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Yet Clinton's popular vote lead is one piece of evidence that suggests that Obama will be a weak general election candidate</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SurveyUSA's 50-state polls released in March showed that electoral votes would go to different parties in 15 states depending on whether McCain was pitted against Clinton or Obama. And it is electoral votes that determine who will be president.
There are states where Obama runs stronger than Clinton. They include most of the West -- notably Colorado, a state Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004 but which has trended their way since. They include states in the Upper Midwest, like Minnesota, and New England states like Connecticut and New Hampshire, which Democrats won in 2004 but where Clinton seems weak.
But Clinton seems to run stronger than Obama in the industrial (or formerly industrial) belt, running west from New Jersey through Pennsylvania and Ohio to Michigan and Missouri. Obama's weakness among white working-class voters in the primaries here suggests he is poorly positioned to win votes he will need to carry these states in November. This is not a minor problem -- we're talking about 84 electoral votes.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hillary Clinton's current and tenuous popular vote lead may not persuade Democratic super-delegates to reject the candidate who has, after all, won more delegates in primaries and caucuses. <b>But it may prompt some to think hard about Electoral College arithmetic. </b>
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hillary Clinton's current and tenuous popular vote lead may not persuade Democratic super-delegates to reject the candidate who has, after all, won more delegates in primaries and caucuses. But it may prompt some to think hard about Electoral College arithmetic.
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Last week GOP started ads in North Carolina against sitting Congressman and Senators who had recently endrosed Obama, today MS GOP had started ads against Childer. I think SD who are up for re-election may change vote now, it is sucidal voting for Obama.
Enjoy this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPeQ2mKRro
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-29-2008
Latest poll by Survey USA has HRC up by 9% over BO in IN
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...rimary-639.html
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Thanks Mudy
I found this transcript.. Interesting opening. Other interesting bits in it too. It definitely is worth a read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/us/polit...r=1&oref=slogin
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And this is a country which houses this religious tradition that we all love and a country that some of us have served. It is a tradition that is, in some ways, like Ralph Ellison's the "Invisible Man."
It has been right here in our midst and on our shoulders since the 1600s, but it was, has been, and, in far too many instances, still is invisible to the dominant culture, in terms of its rich history, its incredible legacy, and its multiple meanings.
The black religious experience is a tradition that, at one point in American history, was actually called the "invisible institution," as it was forced underground by the Black Codes.
The Black Codes prohibited the gathering of more than two black people without a white person being present to monitor the conversation, the content, and the mood of any discourse between persons of African descent in this country.
Africans did not stop worshipping because of the Black Codes. Africans did not stop gathering for inspiration and information and for encouragement and for hope in the midst of discouraging and seemingly hopeless circumstances. They just gathered out of the eyesight and the earshot of those who defined them as less than human.
They became, in other words, invisible in and invisible to the eyes of the dominant culture. They gathered to worship in brush arbors, sometimes called hush arbors, where the slaveholders, slave patrols, and Uncle Toms couldn't hear nobody pray.
From the 1700s in North America, with the founding of the first legally recognized independent black congregations, through the end of the Civil War, and the passing of the 13th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America, the black religious experience was informed by, enriched by, expanded by, challenged by, shaped by, and influenced by the influx of Africans from the other two Americas and the Africans brought in to this country from the Caribbean, plus the Africans who were called "fresh blacks" by the slave-traders, those Africans who had not been through the seasoning process of the middle passage in the Caribbean colonies, those Africans on the sea coast islands off of Georgia and South Carolina, the Gullah -- we say in English "Gullah," those of us in the black community say "Geechee" -- those people brought into the black religious experience a flavor that other seasoned Africans could not bring.
It is those various streams of the black religious experience which will be addressed in summary form over the next two days, streams which require full courses at the university and graduate- school level, and cannot be fully addressed in a two-day symposium, and streams which tragically remain invisible in a dominant culture which knows nothing about those whom Langston Hughes calls "the darker brother and sister."
It is all of those streams that make up this multilayered and rich tapestry of the black religious experience. And I stand before you to open up this two-day symposium with the hope that this most recent attack on the black church is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright; it is an attack on the black church.
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As the vice president told you, that applause comes from not the working press.
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The most recent attack on the black church, it is our hope that this just might mean that the reality of the African-American church will no longer be invisible.
Maybe now, as an honest dialogue about race in this country begins, a dialogue called for by Senator Obama and a dialogue to begin in the United Church of Christ among 5,700 congregations in just a few weeks, maybe now, as that dialogue begins, the religious tradition that has kept hope alive for people struggling to survive in countless hopeless situation, maybe that religious tradition will be understood, celebrated, and even embraced by a nation that seems not to have noticed why 11 o'clock on Sunday morning has been called the most segregated hour in America.
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Jeremiah Wright May Have Just Sunk Obama's Campaign