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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
CNN and MSNBC are still on spin, that if Obama disown him, he will be ok.
Anyway, as promised
IN looks pretty good for Hillary
Weekend calls - 58% HRC
28% BHO and 14% undecided
After Wright week, figure may change, more polarisation. I think HRC will pull IN.
NC - Today Gov endrose HRC, plus Wright factor this may be very close call.
Weekend call in NC - Not touched black area atall
68% - HRC
18% - undecided
rest BHO.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Rajesh,
Here it comes, now race factor <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <b>SHARPTON RAPS OBAMA</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->April 29, 2008 --
Barack Obama made a call for nonviolence in the aftermath of the Sean Bell verdict - infuriating the Rev. Al Sharpton, who accused the presidential candidate of trying to <b>"grandstand in front of white people," </b>sources told The Post.
During what a source described as a<b> "heated" phone call yesterday</b>, Sharpton told Obama he was disappointed with the Illinois senator's words on Friday, when <b>Obama said "resorting to violence to express displeasure" was "completely unacceptable and counterproductive."</b>
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Obama's Fox Trot on Faux News
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He is often compared to JFK, a leader who made tough choices. But Obama turns out to be a profile in porridge<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead, he invoked the name of the Rev. Martin Luther King, comparing King's speeches opposing the war in Vietnam to Wright's rants that 9/11 was America's chickens coming home to roost and AIDS was invented in a U.S. government lab to kill black people.
Why not? After all, Obama once compared Wright to his "typical white" grandmother. Maybe he considers King a typical black preacher in the Wright mold. But <b>King had a dream; Barack Obama has a nightmare</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wallace inquired about Obama's boast that he could cross party lines to get things done, and asked the senator for examples of his independence and bipartisanship. Wallace pointed out how John McCain bucked his party's line on issues like immigration and worked with Democrats on issues like campaign finance reform.
<b>Aside from mumbling something about government regulations, Obama couldn't provide any.</b> Obama has a history of ducking tough issues, whether in the Illinois legislature or the United States Senate. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As noted by the Washington Post's David Ignatius, Obama, after being elected to the Illinois senate in 1996, "gained a reputation for skipping tough votes" such as a key one on gun control in December 1999 because he was vacationing in his home state of Hawaii. Ignatius quotes a Chicago politician as saying that "<b>the myth developed that when there was a tough vote, he was gone.</b>"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He has no legislative achievements at any level and wouldn't even be a U.S. senator if both the GOP and Democratic nominees hadn't self-destructed in local sex scandals. Obama got the Democratic nomination by default and crushed political gadfly Alan Keyes.
Obama is no John F. Kennedy, and John McCain is no Alan Keyes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-29-2008
Yesterday SC ruling and Wright world tour is doing harm, but Wright is using Alexirod's PR firm for image building. I think they are trying to create image that BHO had nothing to do with Wright, Wright is crazy man, but it will create image of Wright in Black community that he can create Presidental candidate and Obama can tell typical white person that he is for them, his uncle is just a crazy man.
I think it is a good plot but whether this will work. Media had started projecting Wright is out of control preacher and building his own image.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
Drama just took place as another Press conference and another short speech. Today his Rev Wright was under train. <!--emo&
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US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
Mudy
I think the race issue has always been there - and it has been the main issue - from what I have seen so far in this election. But if one looks at the public discourse, it is almost non-existent. And it keeps appearing in some kind of code language, unless ofcourse when Shri Wright speaks.. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->I have found Jay Cost to be a sensible writer on RCP. He has this in his article today.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horserace..._answers_1.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is more, the candidate in question happens to be black. This further limits the utility of the polls. <b>There has been a heated debate in political science for a quarter century over whether white America has become less racist, or whether its racism has become less transparent</b>. Researchers have found that whites now tend to answer straightforward questions about race in a much less racist way. However, some researchers claim to detect racism in responses to seemingly unrelated questions. Others vehemently disagree. Putting aside the merits of the arguments pro and con, the point is that polls have failed to arbitrate the dispute. Researchers look at the same answers to the same questions, yet see two different opinions.
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And speaking of code-language, this piece is interesting..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...contributi.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->On Monday, Wright also espoused the racialist doctrine that blacks have "different" learning styles than do others. This doctrine of racially different brains, or of an unalterably different black culture, is a doctrine today used to justify various soft bigotries of low expectations regarding blacks, and especially black children. It has a long pedigree as a rationalization for injustices. Slaveholders and, later, segregationists loved it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No matter what Rev Wright says. Read this analysis. And see how this gora-saheb turns this race-argument on its head. I would think 100% blacks will have no problems with what Wright said in this matter. But to take this and spin it in completely different direction is really interesting. IOW this para means nothing to blacks. It means nothing to whites. And this person feels good about accusing another one as racist.
Dhu said in the beginning of this thread that when whites are talking there is some real sophisticated subtlety in play. I thought this was a prime example.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
I am more worried about reverse discrimination. I think recent reaction by AA will make think, we may see rough time ahead on race relation.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
In Times of India:
India needs McCain as US President
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Apr 29 2008, 11:54 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Apr 29 2008, 11:54 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am more worried about reverse discrimination. I think recent reaction by AA will make think, we may see rough time ahead on race relation.
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Not only that. There might also be some effect on black christianity. If BO looses candidacy then there is a chance that Saudis will invest in blacks to convert them to Islam.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
SUSA had HC up by 9 in IN, now PPP has HC up by 8 in IN.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
BO cuts ties with his "Reverend"..."Gave him a big divorce paper" according to Chris Matthews.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not only that. There might also be some effect on black christianity. If BO looses candidacy then there is a chance that Saudis will invest in blacks to convert them to Islam. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt, because they were behind lot of sikhs killing/hate crime in US after 9/11. New immigrants from Africa-Muslim countries may try to convert but they are too busy converting each other.
Nation of Islam scare hell out of me, I have seen them in action, I think this will encourage hardening of both sides.
Just today, Childers disown Obama after GOP ads. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Today two SD endrosed Clinton.
Next two days will be interesting.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BO cuts ties with his "Reverend"..."Gave him a big divorce paper" according to Chris Matthews.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is a seperation after drug haul, I was sitting in passenger seat and drugs were found near drivers side glove box. I have no idea that he was carrying crack cocaine, officer !!! <!--emo&
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US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y...NDMwZDcxNDYyOTc
Exactly what I would say.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508
Even better..
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
People are not buying his excuse. This is well orchestrated drama.
If Obama lose 10% or Blacks vote in NC, his bid is over.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
BO over HC by just 5% in NC--SUSA
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
<b>Obama to donate funds received from Rezko friend </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama is giving $2,300 in presidential campaign contributions to charity -- money he got from Aiham Alsammarae, a dual U.S.-Iraqi citizen who posted more than $2.7 million in property to help spring Tony Rezko from jail.
Alsammarae, Iraq's former electricity minister, gave to Obama's presidential campaign six times in January, February and March. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whenever Obama had troble, he clears 3, 4 other trouble with one major speech.
US Elections 2008 - II - dhu - 04-30-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Apr 30 2008, 12:12 AM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Apr 30 2008, 12:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->No matter what Rev Wright says. Read this analysis. And see how this gora-saheb turns this race-argument on its head. I would think 100% blacks will have no problems with what Wright said in this matter. But to take this and spin it in completely different direction is really interesting. IOW this para means nothing to blacks. It means nothing to whites. And this person feels good about accusing another one as racist.
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I think they (the blacks) are struggling to jettison the defunct normative frameworks of western civilization. The entire episode about "different not deficient" is simply an embrace of eastern relativity. But they are still languishing with christian terminology.
Additionally, they do not want to accept the fact that westerners set the framework and the problem sets, therefore they will not concede any ground at all (eg AIDS and US govt) out of "principle". It maybe something beyond a power struggle and an assertion of presence. Let's see if they can transcend the western frameworks (including libeartion theology) instead of giving over to islam.
Will's essay is an attempt to control these trends and to put the blacks in their "seen but silent" place by resorting to the only thing they can resort to: the power of the definition (eg racism, reverse racism, the "true" learning style, etc). ---See I've defined Wright as racist: case closed. More than one culture, learning style?? aha, that's racist--- But the blacks are struggling to articulate a theory of cultural diversity along heathenish lines. Of course, I may be overreading. These developments may be nothing more than the witzel/nussbaum/liberation theology liberal strains co-opting the black struggles into "the system". Most likely this will be the end result.
(NOI is actually not an islamist org, it is more a black nationalist org. They don't care one way or the other about India, China, heathens, etc.)
Hispanics are also watching. When whites become minority, we see the real fun start. They have their own Evo Morales et al, and stronger claims as well.
Will:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The answer is: Certainly, because Wright's paranoias tell us something -- exactly what remains to be explored -- about his 20-year parishioner.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is a typical christian/western concern. How can someone do something without "believing" in it? Obama himself is struggling to articulate this and the answer is not to be found in the western framework at all.
At the very least, these episodes indicate imperfect integration and a crumbling western grand narrative. Wright's main assertion is that an imposed and normative homogeneity as well as assimilation is not acceptable.
US Elections 2008 - II - Shambhu - 04-30-2008
RCP columnists are asking if BO is naive. Asking who else he trusts that should not be trusted. Heh.
RCP: Hint hint..Zbigniew Breszinski.
US Elections 2008 - II - Guest - 04-30-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Someone from the Fox blog said they just heard from an inside person from the obama camp said the Obama is dropping out and is supposed to announce this sometime before Monday.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rumors are some big scandal may come out.
I hope it is not Colin, relationship with his assistance.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->RCP: Hint hint..Zbigniew Breszinski. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
His daughter Mika, who sit with Joe in Morning with Joe - MSNBC is so dumb. She sits and promote BHO and total empty concept.
RCP articles are from average Joe, currently BHO plant POTUS is writing lot.