Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Printable Version +- Forums (http://india-forum.com) +-- Forum: Indian Politics, Business & Economy (http://india-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=6) +--- Forum: Indian Politics (http://india-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=17) +--- Thread: Nexus Between Entities Influencing India (/showthread.php?tid=257) |
Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-06-2015 Directly related to the previous. Tharoor is already pretending innocence and play-acting 'shock' to find it was a murder or that foul play was even suspected. Did he go out of his way to avoid reading earlier headline news in India - which other Indians did read - on how Sunanda's family have been suspecting that Tharoor was behind the murder? Not to mention, the suspicious events surrounding the hotel where Sunanda was murdered and Tharoor's even more suspicious behaviour at the time regarding this, was long in the public view. Also, unless he announced to the world that he and his wife were going to stay in that hotel at that very time period, and that he was going to leave her unattended just then, how did anyone sneak in there to murder her? kaumudi.com/innerpage1.php?newsid=59769 Quote:Stunned Tharoor to cooperate with probe Wait. He wrote his comments on facebook? Only people playing to the gallery would tweet or facebook regarding such matters. Great touch though, him speaking of "unknown persons". Yeah, KKKangressi/ISI appointed hitmen can be unknown.) What you don't know in sufficient detail, you can't reveal even under duress, nah?) But his family seems correct in suspecting that he would have been the one to okay the murder - that's if he didn't administer the poison himself. Wonder if the infiltratis in the Delhi police are going to pull their usual trick of framing innocents. to protect the real villains/the KKKangressis and their TSP contacts (all so that people stop looking into the matter)? Maybe Kongressis will declare it was a random rape-murder motivated by nothing more than lust or something, since - you know - Delhi's already been given a rep of 'rape capital of rape central'. Except such a twist to her tale won't work: as the media had initially tried to present that Sunanda had killed herself from some disease she was treated for, implying it could have been something fatal. But IIRC her clinic or whatever had denied this: that she had anything fatal. This last is from memory: I think these items of news were among the pages upon pages of tweets by NeenaRai's and her twitter correspondents from the time. I may not have reposted this as it didn't seem so relevant. But then there's this: hindustantimes.com/india-news/sunanda-s-death-tharoor-sent-two-emails-to-dr-gupta/article1-1236126.aspx Where Tharoor had 2 alleged doctors of Sunanda send emails to the forensic doctor, which emails tried to present that Sunanda could easily bruise (to conventiently argue away Sunanda's bruises at the time of death, which were thought to show a struggle with her murder(s)): Quote:Sunanda's death: Tharoor sent two emails to Dr Gupta And elsewhere it was reported as follows (Google search result snippet): Quote:Tharoor got Dubai doc's certificate to prove Sunanda death ... Also, turns out that Tharoor - who went through all the trouble of producing doctors to point towards suicide (which he surely wouldn't have had to do if he were innocent, now would he?), is *known* to have got them to lie for him: firstpost item below says she didn't have Lupus at all, as claimed by those witnessing on her Bluebeard husband's instructions - firstpost.com/india/twist-in-sunanda-pushkar-case-post-mortem-report-says-she-was-poisoned-1750397.html Quote:Twist in Sunanda Pushkar case: Post mortem report says she was poisoned Tharoor went out of his way to generate the notion that she was bruisable and had a disease that she didn't have. And was caught lying. No wonder Sunanda's family said it "knew" it was murder and seriously suspects him. The christomedia had also tried to present Sunanda as having committed suicide for 'any reason at all', except that Sunanda had tweeted that she had important information to impart (including in her interview with radical islamist Barkha Dutt of the christian NDTV channel). Then, there was significant obstruction of the investigation by the Delhi police (Tharoor, KKKanngress and ISI have a long reach): indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-autopsy-report-aiims-bs-bassi/1/395222.html Quote:Sunanda Pushkar's autopsy report nails top cops Several of the points in the 2 IndiaToday images, in case the imgs aren't visible (there may be transcription errors in the following): Quote:First autopsy report - by AIIMS in January: Quote:Many Qs without answers The conspiracy goes all the way to the top. The poisons being deliberately chosen so as to be unidentifiable by Indian labs is pretty indicative of a professional hand. Where do you get such materials otherwise. The combination of poisons could be to throw off the scent - by having only minute traces of the poisons that are not generally detectable in Indian labs. Yet, suddenly, the Delhi cops - previously seen obstructing investigations, see IndiaToday news report pasted in this post - have found total "unknowns" to take the rap. Except that using a poison that can't be detected in Indian labs clearly indicates that it was pre-mediated - and committed by people who knew her or by people hired by those who knew her - and not some random crime of passion (<- in case Delhi Police want to frame some more "rapists"). Again, it is a professional hitman who would have access to that kind of substance. In fact, the catholic cabal/mafia are famous for such high-level hits. As is the ISI. Finally, Tharoor is documented in the news as having tried to forge "doctor" testimonies that his wife had "lupus" and bruised easy - testimonies he had concocted in order to throw off suspicions aroused by the initial investigation when bruise marks were found on her body, so that Tharoor hoped to still get the case passed off as a suicide. Again: he acted like a criminal trying to hide his crime. Complete with having his hand-picked "doctors" state that the wife was on alprazolam implying she may have overdosed on that. Yet the final say of the med reports specifically state that she didn't overdose on that. But it was very helpful of Tharoor to mislead everyone and helpfully suggest harmless ways in which his wife was to have offed herself (without his help). The Kerala "hospital" that stated (for Tharoor's benefit) that Sunanda had Lupus when the med investigation clearly says that she did NOT have lupus must also be investigated. Especially the hospital spokesmen. And especially for his christian/catholic or other KKKangressi connections. - Besides the bruises, Sunanda's one eye being open at the time of death already would have suggested to investigators that it wasn't a peaceful slumbering-away type death. - the syringe mark among the bruises (the excuse for Tharoor's red herring of the alprazolam, which the final report said it hadn't found in her body) may have been the way the poison cocktail was administered. Clearly a hitman. Unless bluebeard had instruction: since Sunanda may still have trusted him, he could approach her more easily. But again: the Delhi police - previously seen thwarting the med team's investigations (to protect Tharoor if not other higher-ups) - has had some months since the med report that insisted that Sunanda was poisoned and has by now no doubt thought up some story to protect Tharoor and his contacts, since - after all these months - they have at last decided to echo the conclusive med report and declare it was murder after all. Which is not news, since the med board had already revealed that much. But it certainly shows that elements in the police have had enough time to think up and possibly plant red herrings/frame others, so to this end they have rounded up "unknown" suspects, as usual. Meanwhile, Tharoor is playacting innocence and surprise. Perhaps he knows that the Delhi police have been given a script and won't be coming after him? But where are all the nationalist vocalists who said BJP should hire Tharoor or were otherwise plugging for him? Indeed, where are those that believed that his marriage to Canadian-European wife #2 (working for the US on nuclear-proliferation related matters IIRC) was of no concern and did not reflect on something greater. The Tharoor dude's a magnet for treachery. Probably is in deep with the ISI. The important news in this post: all the stuff in blockquotes. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-07-2015 News from today: newsroompost.com/148458/attempt-implicate-sunandas-death-tharoor/ Quote:Attempt to implicate me in Sunanda's death: Tharoor Clever Tharoor. Because Delhi Police are starting to look his way, he cries foul pre-emptively, to make it look like his word against that of police, before they even charge him with anything. Meanwhile, Delhi police is trying damage control/trying to limit suspects to Tharoor. That the housekeeper is thought by police to be involved is a red herring and may merely be part of Tharoor's sobstory, or the police really want to frame the housekeeper in order to protect bigger fish (than even Tharoor, who may end up as the fall guy for everything). Seems far more likely that the Delhi Police - last seen withholding essential information from the medical board doing its investigations, see previous post - is working for people far higher up than Tharoor, and doesn't want to namedrop the involvement of ISI or KKKangress hit-team hands. Also, consider: unless the "housekeeper" was appointed to Tharoor by his KKKangress bosses and was not really a housekeeper, how would a *housekeeper* - or even Tharoor for that matter - have acquired poisons that can't be detected in Indian labs (see previous post)? Tharoor is incompetent, as seen by his pathetic attempt to cover his tail by getting 2 "doctors" to fabricate that Sunanda had Lupus, and Tharoor's KKKangressi contacts got a Kerala hospital to issue the same story, disproven by the autopsy. Even if Tharoor had acquired the poisons from his overseas travels, that would imply that he had been planning on offing wife #3 for quite some time. Though the more important question would be where he would have acquired it from and who - obviously not Tharoor (don't even bring up his housekeeper) - would have the know-how to point to poisons that they clearly knew to be indetectable in *Indian* (a.o.t. TSP?) labs. Either they were master poisoners or they were spies of ISI, who surely must have spent all the time since independence trying to specialise in methods that India cannot detect and therefore can't prove TSP is to blame for. Need to have read the tweets by Indians archived in posts 214-218 just before and just after Sunanda's death to see that there was more than mere suspicion of an ISI hand, and in fact that KKKangress and ISI were working close together, details of which Sunanda was expected to bring up in an interview. Wonder if she blurted any details of the topic to hardline islamist interviewer Barkha Dutt, who may have sounded the alarm to not just Tharoor but high-placed christoislamics of the KKKangress. But speaking of TSP and how KKKangressi higher ups are hand-in-glove with TSP islamaniacs: KKKangress casts aspersions on Indian coast guard and defence, and does its darndest to paint foiled jihadists from TSP as "innocents" brutalised by Indian armed forces. <- Where have I heard that refrain before? Oh yeah, the ISI-funded islamic underworld of bollywho and their movies legitimising kashmiri-muslim terrorism against the Indian nation and its natives. Wonder if the Tharoor-ISI-KKKangress murder of Sunanda is being raked up now all of a sudden - when it was already known some months ago to be murder caused by poisoning - in order to distract the population from the serious attempted jihadi attack on India by TSP; or whether the latter is a distraction from revealing the ISI hand (and reasoning) in the murder of Sunanda. Probably the first, since the Delhi police is particularly not keen to prove the latter. [On the other hand, the de-heathenising, anti-heathen subversionist christoislamic tripe "PK" that peddles the mono-gawdism - it is anti-polytheism and anti-idolatry and pro-invisible-monogawd, as per reviews (can the christoislamic intent be more obvious?) - is surely sufficient to wholly retain the madding Indian crowd's attention?] Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-11-2015 1. Pointless exercise. dnaindia.com/india/report-sunanda-pushkar-case-delhi-police-plans-to-question-mehr-tarar-2051282 Quote:Sunanda Pushkar case: Delhi Police plans to question Mehr Tarar What do they want from Tarar? Information? But how will they ever know Tarar is telling the truth? [Oh wait. It's the psecular Indian police famous for colluding with the christoislamic KKKangress govt and planting evidence as KKKangress sees fit. Pakis are assumed to be innocent and telling the truth. While Indians - like the coast guard - are assumed to be evil and liars.] Even if the Delhi police suspected Tarar of having had a hand in the murder, is TSP really going to let her go to Indian prison (not to mention for her involvement in something that is highly likely to have been committed by Pakistan.) Waste of time. But if the police do find out Tarar was actually involved (conspiracy to murder), then India must simply return the favour. And unlike innocent victims - like Sunanda - murderers deserve to get done in. India can then be all like: "Tarar is dead too? Oh what a tragic *coincidence* that she knew Sunanda, who is also prematurely dead! You think Tarar might be murdered too? Think it might be a revenge killing?" But speaking of murderers, bet Tharoor's involvement won't be namedropped by Tarar either. Can't they catch him for his lie that "Sunanda had lupus, she had lupus, she had lupus. She conveniently bruised easily - see the bruises on her murdered body? - that was oh-so-coincidentally because of her medical condition where she bruised easily." [What next, she naturally had traces of radioactive and snake poisons in her body? Tharoor should have tried that too.] Tharoor hired 2 "doctors" to lie on his behalf and one Kerala hospital lied for him/KKKangress too about the whole "Lupus" thing. Tragically - for them - the medical report declared that Sunanda did NOT in fact have lupus. Which means that Tharoor went out of his way to lie and throw the investigation into her death off the scent, making Tharoor a Desperate Liar. [And murderer - whether hitmen did it or not is beside the point. The Tharoor dude was in on it, else he wouldn't have had to lie about the bruises: if he didn't cause the bruises and murder her, or if he were not involved with those that murdered her, why would he try to dismiss them by declaring she had a disease which she didn't have?] And the reason is indicated in the news report above - which is another thing that was already mentioned in the tweets of one "NeenaRai" & correspondents (who were in communication with Sunanda): "Sunanda wanted to hold a press conference over something". It could have been about something Tharoor accidentally let slip to her. Or something she found out when using his mobile phone or sharing his machine. Or it was someting she knew about for some time, but that she kept his secret all this while for being his wife, but now she suspected him of cheating on her and when she confronted him on it he didn't comply, so she felt she could betray him and avenge herself. [In which case it would not be some "nationalistic" spirit on her part to the tell the truth, but self-interest, else she would have said it earlier. C.f. how christoislamics' first loyalty is to christianism/islam/the faithful, and they will sell Hindu relatives over this.] The press conference could likely be on the subject Neena Rai and co. suspected: that Sunanda had foun that the KKKangress was collaborating with Pakiland/ISI, and/or something about how the plight of native Kashmiris=Hindus was deliberately suppressed. Sunanda may have threatened Tharoor with the press conference, or he found out by some other means and told KKKangressi/ISI contacts. He may have pretended to not care, all while plotting with his criminal circle. Else Sunanda simply figured her husband wouldn't kill her over the matter. But he - and his KKKangressi cohorts - would. And did. The housekeeper's confession on two points - 1. that Tharoor and Sunanda had an argument about not just a 2nd but also a 3rd woman (Tharoor is going through them so fast, he's had no time to divorce and marry and divorce) and 2. that Sunanda wanted to hold a press conference - indicates why Tharoor pre-emptively decided to play victim of a police conspiracy, whining to the media: see previous post, where news reported Tharoor play-acting all hysterical, that the police were 'out to get (i.e. "frame") him' and had to "torture" his housekeeper into some 'confession'. Like Delhi police would frame a KKKangressi. So that, if they did catch and put away Tharoor, it would be because he was very much guilty, and in fact, so much so that they couldn't cover for him anymore. It's too late for Sunanda. But the moral is again: be loyal to your Gods first, to traditionalists of your own heathenism second, to traditionalists of other heathenisms (e.g. Taoism, Shinto, Hellenismos etc) third. And to sane non-religious persons next - not ex-heathen ones though (i.e. not ex-heathen Indians, because if they can deheathenise, they are likely to psecularise and christoislamise or future generations are: Indian non-religious persons dumped heathenism, whereas western non-religious persons opted out of *christianism* and far-Asian ones opted out of communism or their society got changed by the west etc. So not all non-religious persons can be considered together). And after that sequence, needn't bother with loyalty, as it will be wasted on others anyway. The news was: dnaindia.com/india/report-sunanda-pushkar-case-delhi-police-plans-to-question-mehr-tarar-2051282 Quote:Sunanda Pushkar case: Delhi Police plans to question Mehr Tarar Delhi Police can't make it into a mere "crime of passion" - poison points to pre-meditation. Plus Tharoor won't have planned an elaborate murder over something unimportant as a spat over any extra-marital affairs: because if he had merely grown annoyed with wife #3, he could simply have got divorced, as he's demonstrated many times. Would be good if the Delhi Police would let the truth come out, as far as this can be discovered now that Sunanda's been silenced. If BJP has any power over the matter, should take all christoislamics and pseculars off this case. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-12-2015 2. Archiving. Spammed about in subsequent post. blogs.swarajyamag.com/2015/01/10/religious-crusades-of-cia/ Quote:Religious Crusades of CIA Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-12-2015 3. So ^Doniger^ turns out to not just be appointed by the CIA, but a christian - daughter of an evangelical looney father of missionary convictions, despite his Jewish surname. So Wendy Doniger herself is merely playacting at being secular: that is, she's been playing the cryptochristian game - attacking Hindoos from behind a secular veneer, in order to protect christianism and prevent her own christian ideological motivations from being outed. Who couldn't have guessed? I know some nationalists tried to pass Wendy off as 'Jewish' just because her paternal surname was. But there are lots of people with Jewish (sur)names and ancestry who are actually christian, just like there are lots of Indian christians with Hindu names: it's called cryptochristianism. Like how IF members revealed that Martha Nussbaum's surname is Jewish (stolen from her ex-husband) - while she herself is evangelical christian - all so that she can hide her christianism while attacking Hindus. Martha like Doniger is a doublesneak: they let Judaism take the blame for their bile against Hindu religion. But then, christians hate Jews. Including people of Jewish ancestry who converted to christianism. No different from how Indian christians - whose ancestry was once Hindu - are inimical to Hindus. Once more, the lesson is: Hindus need to stop looking at people's names - and in the case of Indian-looking entities who dress Hindu: need to also stop looking at their appearance (like sari and bindu). Just listen to what they say. If they peculiarly attack Hindu religion - especially with blatant lies (christoclass lies, or one might say CIA type lies and psyops) against Hindu religion - then it doesn't matter whether they claim to be "Hindu" or "not christian", just file them under christian. Because that is what they are. If they claim to be communist and are anti-Hindu but not anti-christoislam, then they are christian. If they hide behind Hindu names or behind an assumed Hindu/secular identity all while justifying jihad and attacking Hindu religion - as several in the Indian christomedia and govt have done over the recent islamic attacks on France vs Hindu protests on the PK nonsense - then they're christian. People know the types: the comments on Indian christomedia that start with "I'm a staunch Hindu too, but <this that and ultimately everything about Hindooism is evil>", as seen often enough, including recently over the hysteria about ghar wapsi. Cryptochristians can only be identified - but can *accurately* be identified - by their attacks against Hindu religion & Hindus alone, filled as this is with deliberate* lies and psy-ops. It is the dead giveaway. (*Christianism knows they're lies and that's why the cryptochristians refuse to be corrected on them. That's why Donigers and various indologicals working with anti-Hindu organisations are still out there lying for dear life.) It's how anyone could know DMK and Indian communism are christian. (They are. Like the LTTE which has started to fester in TN now.) It's how anyone can tell that most of Indian english-language media is christian (and alien-owned). It is how anyone could tell that the christo KKKangress govt is christian and colluding with the US: they attempted to pass the riot-related legislation that "only the majority [Hindus] ever riot and therefore must be punished by default if any riot occurs, whereas minorities [christoislamics] are always to be assumed to be the victim and never punished". It's not a secular law. It's a blatantly christian law, but since the govt that tried to push it didn't publicly admit to its christian ideology, it's cryptochristian. But no less christian. The Indian christomedia (and alien-media) focusing peculiarly on rape crimes in India - but ignoring all identical cases where only easily-identifiable christoislamic names are involved in the criminality - and trying to pin it all on Hindoos/Hindoo religion instead, is also clearly christian. And for propagating this psy-ops for christian (and western) purposes, including evangelisation. [And the AmeriKKKan psyops against (East) Asian Americans was also planned at US government levels. That's why their Asian Studies dept has always been writing psyops - complete with hired native-looking voices, especially anti-Asian Asian women - against Asian men and Asian culture: to curtail Asian families/distinct Asian identity and community in AmeriKKKa. And to reduce their population in the world by alienating the women from the men. Clearly AmeriKKKans figured women could be manipulated more easily and would fall for psy-ops - not very complimentary to women, are they? Very patriarchal and condescending, in fact. In the Indian case, at least, it is known that both genders fall for psy-ops, but the west is focusing on the women again.] And then there's the question of Devdutt Pattanaik, the new-agey self-styled explicator of Hinduism, who spews (subversionist) nonsense left and right. Yet for some inexplicable reason angelsk-speaking Hindus listen to him, though he's no more an expert than they are: he's not seen the Gods and neither have they (else they wouldn't have to listen to others on the subject of Hindoo heathenism, right?). He's approves of and agrees with Doniger. So the question is: - Is he in on it: is he a handpicked native subversionist, who knows what Doniger is - a cryptochristian - and endorses her blatant falsehoods knowingly? - Or did he just fall for the oldest trick in the book: get subverted by an evangelical christian just because she pretends not to be one? Either way, that doesn't change the fundamental aspect about Devdutt: he's a subversionist of Hindoos' heathenism too. And, if nothing else (though there is much else), his taste in endorsing Doniger should count as proof of this. I suppose it should be stated that cryptochristos (incl communists) and islamics are not the only anti-Hindu baiters. Among the international (i.e. western) kind, there are others that collude with jihadists and missionaries and communists: the self-perceived Vedicists. They want Hindoo religion destroyed among Hindoos, so that they can claim that it is now theirs (by default). They are often signatories in all things anti-Hindu. They are famous for stating things on "Hindu fundamentalists" and "poor innocent christoislamic victims" etc, all while they have No Intention of converting back into the mono-moronisms (where they belong) since at home they like to the dabble in the Vedam and "polytheism". Though they are very much a spin-off of the christoclass virus too, the way neonazis are, they are not consciously christian. They're post-christian christoconditioned (post-christian christians). The news was: blogs.swarajyamag.com/2015/01/10/religious-crusades-of-cia/ which reveals, among many other things, that Wendy Doniger is not just handpicked by the CIA, but far from being a secular Jew, her father is a deeply evangelical christian - which also tells you Wendy's actual religion, no matter that she may pretend to be 'secular' and deny that she's a christian. <- But that's what cryptochristianism is for: attacking heathens with christian-arguments from behind a neutral-looking cover. The other reasons for cryptochristianism - in India - is to get votes from the easily-duped Hindu majority and to trick Hindus into marrying into christianism, i.e. christian love jihad/crusade. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-15-2015 Related to my comments in purple 2 posts up. Elst is a curiosity. - He has repeatedly said subversive things about Hindu Gods - the very same that when they were said by Doniger and missionary types were protested and denied by Hindus - and there's no remonstrance from Hindus. I.e. the very same class of Hindus who wax on and on about how PK is propagating dawaganda against the Hindoo Gods - like its nonsense on Shiva, as per reviews. And anyone who can't see that the error or subversion is the same is deluding themselves. So it's a bit hypocritical on the part of such "Hindu" vocalists to then place Elst on a pedestal and present him as "Hinduism-friendly" (he may be friendly to some Hindus and to India and the idea of India, but he's not Hindooism-friendly, he's a subversionist, but he's not the only one). Had PK stated what Elst did, I'm sure Hindoos would have protested against those statements too, nah? (Surprised that more Hindus have not grown disillusioned with this inconsistent (hypocritical) position of "Hindu" nationalists/vocalists.) - As already pointed out earlier, Elst's most obvious statement on Krishna, say, was at 180 degrees from what would fit/be consistent with the sorts of views expressed by Elst's predecessor SitaRam Goel. - Had Ram Swarup been around - Goel's predecessor/mentor/what you will - he'd no doubt have told Elst who recently threatened an alleged interest in Hindu religion/"converting"/whatever - that he ought to return to his *own* ancestral heathen religion, since Swarup wanted Europeans in their own religions (not converting to Hindu religion). This is what Swarup told the Canadian "Ishwar Sharan", as per the latter. - Elst has this very determined denial of western conspiring against India. More than this being a mere personal attribute/dogmatic belief of his, he wishes to convince or at least persuade his Hindu/nationalist readers of the same. <- It is his need to convince his target audience - as is evident in the number of articles he has repeatedly written on or containing the subject - that makes his motivation and his larger interests suspect. What is eerie about it is of course that his opinion is actually entirely at odds with known facts about US and general western meddling concerning India and the reasons for their sabotage. - There are always western infiltrators in any important Indian intellectual movement or any prominent Indian religious organisations or even cults (like the Osho example covered in the swarajya blog). It would be a serious and monumental omission by aliens if they did not try to install someone to subvert the most important of all recent movements in the Indian "Hindu nationalist" sphere: the path set forth by Ram Swarup and SitaRam Goel. Be honest, if you were the meddling west - especially the US - determined to make sure India never rises again (only a heathen i.e. Hindoo India could rise, note), would you *NOT* have targeted Goel and Swarup before you even bothered going after little cults? They and their work was after all the (last) intellectual movement to warn the Hindu nation against de-heathenisation, about christoislam, exposing foreign meddling and interests. The interfering west does Not stop at denying/silencing those it perceives as threats to its plans for any nation. They have always sent infiltrators into the more important organisations, skuttling budding intellectual movements is no exception. If the west were to have ignored or neglected Swarup-Goel, it would not be a mere oversight but an idiocy of a magnitude that few morons would be capable of, certainly not the calculating US. (Even Talageri was the unwilling recipient of overtures by the west to "join us", except he said No Thanks to darth vader, as nationalists do.) Of course, it turned out that the US realised that Swarup and Goel weren't the kind to be bought or brought over to working for western interests, not to be subverted out of their personal views of what was necessary for India and who its enemies were. Nor were Goel and Swarup likely to be the kind of dunces - like Devdutt Patnaik is - to get taken in by unsubtle characters like Donigers. Swarup seems brahmachari of personal choice and Goel was happily married, so sending in some idiotic female contingent (as works so easily on arch-seculars like Tharoor) would be another bad move. Much better would be someone who chimes in 90% of the time and then departs on 10% - significanly when Swarup and Goel are conveniently dead and can't disagree. Rajarant has claimed that he and Elst are the true/selected successors of Goel (and Swarup). Rajarant is of a typical class of anti-Hindus, as many modern "Hindu" vocalists are, and so I am fully ready to accept that he is not consciously working for anti-Indian and anti-Hindu interests, though he is an invariable subversionist and works with Clooney and apparently works for that christist templeton foundation or whatever. (Not all who get roped in by the west do so consciously. Some are merely stupid and easily fall for the traps customised for them.) The other case is Elst. I've already indicated how Elst significantly differs from heathenism, Hindoo religion in specific, is inconsistent with core viewpoints of Goel and Swarup, and that his unreasonable insistence that the west is innocent of conspiring against the Indian nation is quite suspect. There's also significant documented data on how the west has motivation for planting and sidetracking important intellectual movements in any targeted nations. (They managed to do that in the colonial era too especially around independence.) Beyond motive, there are the means and opportunity: both are perfect in Elst, though the opportunity is greater at the time past Goel's life, when not just the Rajarant but also Elst have revealed opinions they did not appear to emit to Goel's face. Of course, people - and especially the every hysterical Elst brigade - are likely to disagree if such suspicions were to be expressed publicly. But I personally think Elst was the ideal candidate to inveigle himself into the Goel/Swarup movement (and was meant to do so) and that - though Indians have learnt from the more obvious infiltrators of the past - Indians naturally fell for this, as this is the current standard of unsuspectable and hence undetectable. (Though immunity increases with every attack that one survives, viruses mutate regularly and get harder to detect. Same with the infiltrati in each generation.) There is no proof, there never is. Only inferences, several of which are indicated above. And there is also the degree to which Elst has been successful: his success in subverting his readership and his highly-subvertible fandom is beyond question. Their readiness to defend him - which contrasts nicely with their readiness to turn on their Gods and tradition, where it comes down to a choice between the two - is a classic case of subversion and de-heathenisation that points to subvertibles. I don't trust aliens who have the power to subvert or are given the power to subvert by their willing heathen audiences (i.e. the audience raises them to figures of authority on heathenism*, which they most certainly are not). The latter is even more suspicious than the former, in that it points to 1. the identification of the manipulable, 2. manipulation and 3. what steps need to be taken to achieve this (to be in a position to finally start manipulating). Today's Indians - like those in the colonial era - are highly manipulable because of a combination of mis-education and subvertibility, conditioned over time. * IIRC some of the insane Elst fans actually referred to him as a guru or acharya. Methinks there is a direct correlation between the kind of Indians who would lavish impossible titles and praises on aliens and their own ignorance of their heathenism which causes them to misidentify inexperts as experts. And there is definitely an identity relationship between those who crown aliens as exemplaries of Hindus and those who ignore, reject, undermine or sneer at traditional Hindoo authorities (also because of their own ignorance regarding their ancestral heathenism). Elst's subversions of Hindoo religion can't be dismissed as merely new-agey anti-theism (by the way, he also removed the theism from at least 1 and possibly 2 core Taoist ritual practices), because that would Not explain Elst's peculiar position and behaviour as regards Indian Hindu nationalists' accusations of western conspiracy against the Indian/Hindu nation. Even declaring that he is merely a new ageist innocent of the larger matters does not hold water, as he's not ignorant and he knows a lot about the political situation. Others may choose to be deliberately blind - as many are simply unreasonable - but in him such an argument is unacceptable. Blablabla. Having said all this, I acknowledge gratitude owed even to Elst subversions on Hindoo's heathenism - and not just his pro-Indian political articles: because it is very hard for Hindoos to identify subvertibles in their midst, not least because Hindus don't want to identify them. Because there's nothing worse than realising that the number of actual heathens in the homeland is much smaller than people estimate it at, and growing smaller with every generation. However, at least there's the fact that traditional Taoists are hardcore heathens of the kind only HindOO heathens would recognise or identify with. Oh and finally, in general: Hindoos owe nothing to aliens and it is entirely justified to mistrust them as a rule and avoid cases where they may become to privy to internal matters (especially but not restricted to ones concerning religio). It is exclusively Hindoo necks on the line, and Hindoos' way of life that is threatened. Converts/dabblers/whichever aliens have nothing to lose. They are not Hindus, they don't face an existential threat. Like vultures, however, they may return to feast on the remains of Hindus' loss - their vampirism will proceed both whether Hindus are extant or extinct - but it was never aliens' religion and they will benefit not at all by it at any time. Hindoos - ethnic Hindus, especially traditionalists - need to understand that alien dabblers/converts have no particular interest in Hindoos' welfare, except as far as it serves them: they are interested only in the freedom to indulge in their own current hobby of dabbling or of playing at being 'Hindu'. If Hindoos' refuse to acccept alien converts or alien dabblers, aliens turn subtly to extremely hostile, some even joining other Hindu-baiters to plot Hindoos' demise (so that converts may parasite unperturbed without protest). They need Hindoos only for so long as they can leech of the Hindoos, to get "initiated", to parasite of Hindoos' knowledge of Hindoo ritual practices, to invade=terrorise India's Hindoo-built temples meant for Hindoos etc. Aliens are the fundamental anti-thesis to heathenism. Some aliens are christoislamaniacs, others are dabblers in Others' heathenisms and others are new ageists (=subverters of multiple or their own ancestral heathenisms). But all aliens are alien to their own ancestral heathenism, i.e. they are Unheathens, and are either consciously or subconsciously anti-heathens. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-16-2015 1. On some of the terrible loopholes - aka blatant lying - in the jihad-facilitating christomedia (in the form of Praveen Swami) regarding the TSP boat that blew itself up when it was about to get caught, having failed its attempt at jihad opindia.com/2015/01/what-does-praveen-swami-know-that-the-coast-guard-doesnt/ Some of the comments are also interesting. 2. indiatoday.intoday.in/story/porbandar-boat-blast-pak-army-was-in-control-of-2-explosives-laden-vessels-say-officials/1/411247.html Quote:Porbandar boat blast: Pak army was in control of 2 explosives-laden vessels, say officials Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-16-2015 3. realitycheck.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/je-suis-tiruchengode-or-perumal-murugan/ A comment from there about the Hindu-baiting writer "Perumal Murugan" - who recently tried to pull an MFH by silencing himself and playing persecuted. Turns out he's a christian (oh what a surprise): Quote:nparamasivam1951 said, on January 14, 2015 at 9:27 am Can also read the main article of realitycheck.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/je-suis-tiruchengode-or-perumal-murugan/ 4. Then comes the "freedom of speech under threat" drama that the cryptochristians in the form of the left and christomedia have pulled about the matter: swarajyamag.com/culture/leftist-media-slanders-rss-bjp-to-uphold-freedom-of-libel/ Which shows how the christian author invented consensual sex "rituals" among the Hindus of Tiruchengode - which "tradition" no Hindu of the region had heard of - and how Penguin (christo publisher which published evangelical CIA-plant Doniger's anti-Hindu book and other evangelical psy-ops books) has now published the christian convert's book too, and presents it as a "native informant's view", in order to make it appear authentic to the christomoronic world: Quote:The novel has been promptly translated into English and published by Penguin. Now, in the universities both in India and around the world, this novel has turned into a document of the existence of "traditional free consensual sex rituals" in Tiruchengode! Of course, the entity hired to review the novel and give it three thumbs up is also a christian. In what is standard operating procedure for anti-heathen psy-ops, the christian reviewer chimes in his confirmation that the libel is all "true" - conveniently from his alleged personal experience - without giving any actual evidence either. But will be used as another "native informant" by their western paymasters/CIA fronts. Quote:In his review of the novel, historian Theodore Baskaran calls the "novel" a repository of documentation. The reviewer specifically points to the alleged consensual extra-marital indulgence of sex by married woman on a particular day of the festival. The reviewer states that he had "known" (not seen) that such customs did exist in the local festivals of two places where he had worked. Also tell-tale of the christian hand is the christian tendency to peddle anti-semitic publications. Christian libel against the Hindus goes hand in with christian libel against Jews, after all. It's all the same christian tendency to generate psy-ops for evangelisation-or-genocide (convert-or-kill routine). More proof that unPerumal unMurugan's work has the same veracity as the anti-semitic christian genocidal hoax/forgery that is the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" Quote:In the present Tamil literary milieu, this is of immense import. Let it be known that one of the left wing publishing houses that has published Murugan's work has also published the translation of another fiction masquerading as history in the ongoing Chennai book exhibition: The protocols of the learned elders of Zion, translated into Tamil by Aroor Salim. Hindus should contact Israeli authorities on tracking down nazis and have them put pressure to put out of business all the communist=fascist*, publishing houses, which are obviously cryptochristian, since christos like islamaniac are the only ones who are anti-semitic and keep publishing propaganda that the nazis cherished. * Extreme-left/communism and extreme-right/fascism are in a circle of continuity and meet at their extremes like in anti-semitism. Communism and fascism are satellite of christianism after all. The more immediate point of the article was that the christomedia was all mobilised to screech about "freedom of speech" being stifled by the Hindu community whose reputation was tarnished by deliberate falsehoods=libel. 5. Now, while known cryptochristians like Sagarika Ghose and the catholic newspaper The Chindu etc were all on board to support libel in the form of "freedom of speech", practically all of christomedia has been doing its best to remain mum on how Sharia blasphemy laws have been imposed against an Indian lawyer for allegedly making a remark on Facebook that was offensive to islamaniacs: the Indian lawyer has been apprehended with no opportunity for bail. More proof of christomedia: silence on serious threats to "freedom of speech" where their brothers in monotheism are involved. If the media were secular it would *all* be in the news and there will be equal hysterics (or there should be less hysterics about libel, which is not covered under freedom to screech or freedom of expression): swarajyamag.com/politics/the-paris-tragedy-and-indian-medias-half-truths/ Quote:As I write this, a Mumbai lawyer Vijay Gaekwad stands accused of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammed. I wish I could tell you the story in detail, but it's been scrupulously avoided by the mainstream media and appears only in one article in Urdu Times. What we do know is that Gaekwad allegedly committed this offence on social media and that he spent time in jail. Beyond this, we know little.Neither article reveals what Vijay Gaekwad was to have stated on facebook. (But where's his freedom of expression.) Perhaps reproducing his alleged statements allegedly blaspheming the alleged mohammed is considered as much of a No-No as reproducing the Danish cartoons or any islam-lampooning Hebdo issues. It was left to the heretical muslim (apostate?) Tufail Ahmad to bring up the matter on twitter: https: // twitter.com/tufailelif/status/551301487167422466 Quote:Tufail Ahmad ?@tufailelif The real question remains: how typical only of a CHRISTIAN media to totally bury this real threat to freedom of expression: an opinion on facebook that allegedly hurts the sentiments of the worthless "minorities" (of 1 billion muslims in the world and 1 billion christians) that terrorise like a super-majority. All while the same crypto CHRISTIAN media is trying to spin patent libel against a community of Hindus into a "freedom of speech" issue. Meanwhile islamaniacs are equating the satire against islamania by Danish and French newspapers with libel of a community, as if it's all the same. But no, it's not equal-equal. 6. This was a good read, and makes several very correct observations: swarajyamag.com/ideas/neither-freedom-nor-tolerance-works/ Quote:Abrahamic religions, by design, seek control of the narrative by any means that may be suitable. Islam has been able to shield its theology and last prophet from public criticism fairly successfully through state-driven-curbs on free speech in partnership with pliable governments. In such situations the state fears unrest and social disorder due to its inability to deal with them. It is either too taxing on its resources to keep controlling such situations or is too bogged down by political correctness and electoral considerations to go after well-organised groups. Quote:even if the state guarantees free speech, you can be assured that organised groups that have historically taken it upon themselves to threaten critics would deliver serious consequences to anyone who falls out of their line of what is acceptable and what is not. It is this sort of impediment that is far more hideous and difficult to fight against because in the former it was the easier matter of tackling a monolith like a Constitution. Quote:The information age with all its technological progress would, many thought, defang Islamic supremacists and dent their rapacity. They believed the weakening of information asymmetry would lead to people turning more reasonable than before. That has been proved horribly wrong and naïve because the Islamic idea of a global ummah essentially received a big shot in the arm due to information explosion and a shrinking globe. It is now easier for a Konkani Muslim in Mumbai to stand shoulder to shoulder with a Rohingya Muslim from Burma or rally support for his brothers half way around the globe who he is convinced are poor victims under siege (what else could they ever be?). Further, they use the same networks to organise better, create law and order problems like the Azad Maidan protests that turned into an ugly show of strength with an emasculated state watching passively or enable the supposed influx of Rohingyas into Muslim-dominated localities in various cities with local support. What islam is trying to prove by physical means - i.e. by their jihadi attacks to silence satire of islam - is that the sword is mightier than the pen. And either the west caves and makes it a truism, or it doesn't. Because India has already caved, ruled as it is by christianism, the greatest canker festering in India (no, islam is not yet the greatest threat; it is christianism - that #1 facilitator of jihad in India - that is the greatest plague on the nation). Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-17-2015 2 comments found at swarajyamag: 1. swarajyamag.com/culture/art-exploits-hindu-onus-of-tolerance/ Quote: Neeraj 2. realitycheck.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/je-suis-tiruchengode-or-perumal-murugan/ Quote:Soma Visal said, on January 14, 2015 at 12:09 pm Finally, someone who complains about that junk. Though my objection is to the whole premise and the methodology, the overall class of the problem: modern un-traditional Hindus (not heathens, i.e. no traditional heathen perspective) - angelsk-enabled of course - writing a neo-mythos and/or de-deifying our Gods is an act of not just subversion but de-heathenisation. And every fool who read it and appreciated it and recommended it just bought into that subversion, though I suppose they were prone to it (i.e. they were subvertible). There have been many such. E.g. IIRC one of the persons who commented at a blog of the very pro-heathenism Senthil was - although a loud vocalist on something or other about Hinduism - a big fan of the trilogy and admirer of its author as batting for Hindu religion with his works. :Grief: It is a sign of "modern attitudes" (= euphemism for ignorance and lack of traditional perception of heathenism, i.e. de-heathenisation) where modern Hindus feel such works are meaningful in *any* sense. Not read the trilogy, but had read the brief summary of subject matter at flipkart, which sufficed for forming an opinion on it, as it diverged sufficiently from anything that could be deemed heathen (and no, new-ageism is not heathen). It was the roaring favourite at flipkart and featured on the front page: the reviews were at that point exclusively by the christians infesting India, and they were all unanimous about how such tripe should really replace the traditional views of Hindoos (which they deemed nonsense), so that Hindus can come at last to see their puranas etc as pointless mythos that can further be replaced by other mythos (hence underlining their pointlessness), rather than have any divine perception about what our Vedic, Pauranic, etc accounts are really about. The whole thing about heathenism, after all (and the christian reviewers had noticed it, but troubling that wannabe-heathen modern "Hindus" have not), is NOT to transplant the divine actors from their natural stage - the traditional accounts of their exploits, rendered authentically - into novel, pseudo-settings, but to recognise that the divine actors (the Gods and heroes) are inseparable from their backgrounds/narratives. The narratives themselves MATTER, as much as the Gods themselves. The Gods de-deified and transplanted into neo-mythos (i.e. modern invention) is meaningless and is actually specifically anti-heathen. If a christian or alien had written that trilogy, some Hindu nationalist vocalist may have recognised it for the subversion it was. The real problem is not who is doing it - or even why, in this case - but that *what* is being done is an act of de-heathenising sacred narratives that need to be transmitted intact/with the traditional narrative intact. Even had a similar issue long ago with I think it was called Krishnaavataaram published by IIRC Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, which tried to explain away all that is "fantastic" about the MBh setting and replace it with backprojected reasonings to "rationalise" everything to the non-computing (non-heathen) mind. The modified yarn was no doubt appreciated by that latter class, but it is not heathen and neither are they, and those two facts are never going to change. Modern Hindus won' t understand the point being made. So as always let's use a different example of other heathens: There is no meaning to modern stories which feature alleged Olympic Gods in fake contexts. Or turn them into human characters. Or both. Only non-heathens, non-Hellenes would make up such fictions. The real narratives of the Greek Gods are paramount in importance to the Hellenes as the narratives - and the Gods within them - impart great knowledge of heathenism. Had already argued this indirectly (no point arguing it directly to a modern Hindu audience) in post 108 of the Natural Traditions/Heathen Religions thread. What the trilogy crap did is to subvert both the Gods (and that they are Gods) as well as their divine narratives, which are both fundamental to the narratives, and therefore to Hindoo heathenism. (This is often what Jainism and Buddhism tried to do to Hindoo narratives, when they weren't trying to hijack the same to propagate their own missionary ideologies.) And only morons - without apologies - among modern "Hindus" appreciated it. They're in like-minded company: as the others who expressed great appreciation for the trilogy, all while deriding the Hindoo Gods and Hindooism in the very same book reviews that lauded the books themselves, were christians (as seen at flipkart for example). <- It's never a good sign when christians agree with you on rewrites to heathenism. Anyway, there was never any point in complaining about the trilogy, as there's subversions much closer to home. The layers of subversion that Indians of once-Hindoo origin are faced with are so many and so dense, that you'll be left complaining till the cows come mooing home. Consider the example covered in detail in the Buddhism or Sanatana Dharma thread: Rajeev Srinivasan and Witan - "Hindu" nationalist vocalists - are so severely subverted, that the former peddles backprojected Buddhist spins on the Trivrikama account while the latter peddles backprojected dravoodianist spins on the same. <- Both the views peddled are also to be filed under neo-mythos/replacement mythos. Rajeev further declared - like only a Bauddhified/non-heathen would - that Sabarimalai and Ayyappa "must have" had a Buddhist history, all because of unscholar (cryptoBuddhist) Lokesh Chandra's sudden, badly researched and patent drivel on the subject (a matter already discussed in excessive length in the Buddhism thread). It takes nothing but very recent and preposterous speculation to Bauddhify or otherwise subvert some alleged "Hindus". Then there are of course the slightly more subtle de-heathenised subversionists, such as of the Elst-fandom variety. Yet they will be offended if they were not recognised as Hindus, hence the phrase HindOOs (i.e. Hindu heathens/traditionalists) was coined to distinguish between actual heathens and the subverted [and subvertible]. Subverted would-have-been heathens are a dime a dozen in modern India and follow noticeable patterns ("classes" of de-heathenised). But it is evenfall for Hindus anyway. Even if christoislamania disappeared within 2 decades, those 2 decades are sufficient to have bred so many more masses of angelsk-enabled subversive wannabe-Hindus that India is guaranteed never to return to heathenism. (India is a lost cause for heathenism. Only subverted new-ageism seems to take root in current angelsk-speaking generations, and English language - the vehicle used for miseducation - is an unavoidable feature of the near future, and all future generations thereafter will be tainted by the effects of subversion thereafter.) Anyway, the angelsk-enabled "Hindu nationalist" vocalist brigade is filled with such people as above, and such people alone. [None of whom, BTW, are even related to anyone who has seen the Hindu Gods hock: - as one could tell by their hopeless and hollow arguments allegedly in "favour" of Hindoo religion as well as by their invariable subversions on Hindoo religion.] So why complain about the subversiveness of the class of replacement mythos and de-deifying literature produced by deheathenised, who still go through the motions of being Hindu (in their view) and the pretence of being heathen - apparently Amish Tri... tripod sees himself as a Hindu, though he's neopagan *at best* - when even people less far-gone/less subverted have been eroding their own and others' traditional views (being subverted subversionists). They ought to have defended the traditional=heathen POV as authority. But that's the one thing they can't do: only heathens can do that, because to recognise the heathen POV need to *be* a heathen. Instead, they set up their inexpert selves, inexpert others and their own ignorant speculative opinions ("opinionations") as authoritative, moreso where these departed from tradition=heathenism. And the more they differed from tradition, the pushier they were about it (and actually threaten traditionalists concerning it), in order to force the matter. Like Indian governance under BJP is "Hindu nationalist" but not Hindoo - i.e. *not heathen* - governance, similarly Hindu nationalist vocalists write a lot and are very activist - to no real purpose and no usefulness to heathenism ultimately - but are not actually heathen, if anyone were honest. I've read more actually *Hindoo* arguments defending Hindoo religion from subversion from traditional Taoists. But then, they are actually heathens, so they naturally sound more Hindoo then non-heathens who call themselves Hindu but are de-heathenised and subverted. Soma Vishal is wasting his breath. There is no point arguing or trying to convince modern "Hindus". Use them - their arguments, their writings - to defend your religion where necessary (i.e. if they ever say anything useful or sensible), but don't ever rely on them and never trust them/take them at face value. Subvertibles=gangrene are very dangerous to heathens, because on the surface one is led to the assumption that they are Hindu - because they claim to be, etc - by which they can get under Hindoo society's skin, but any intimacy with them (by which I mean association or attempt at friendship/trust, obviously) will only blow up in heathens' faces and will dent heathenism. Would dearly have said avoid like the plague and close rank (certainly what I'd do), but beggars can't be choosers I suppose. Just be aware of what they are and never lose sight of what they are, and Hindoos should be fine with the enforced but limited interaction. Save trust for fellow heathens like Taoists (and HindOOs of course). The only relevant parts of this post are the blockquotes. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-17-2015 Archiving more things Sunanda. It has all nosedived into further tacky soap opera. To be expected, I guess, since it stars Tharoor and some ISI journalist - who looks like she's a junkie (those drugged-up eyes! :eeee. Apparently he had some other girlfriend on the side too. Really don't know why he always threatens to get married - again - when he knows he's not made for it. Probably did so for some opportunistic motive. 1. KKKangress strikes pre-emptively in denial mode, afraid that it will all lead to them, telling Tharoor in no uncertain terms that he's On His Own now. Such pre-emptive denial is *quite* as suspicious as when Tharoor earlier derailed investigations oh-so-helpfully by having his 2 "doctor" friends write in with emails that Sunanda had lupus (disproven by the autopsy) and was conveniently prone to bruising and could well have died from overdosing on her medication (disproven by autopsy). zeenews.india.com/news/india/congress-has-nothing-to-do-with-sunanda-pushkar-death-case-pc-chacko_1528149.html Quote:Congress has nothing to do with Sunanda Pushkar death case: PC Chacko The two comments there: Quote:TruemanPatnaik forgot to add it was a high-level hit job too: what with radioactive substances in the poison cocktail that killed her that were specifically the kind that would (generally) go undetected in Indian labs. I'm sure that kind of gear costs some serious moolah and requires some non-Indian contacts who are in-the-know of just this sort of shady thing. 2. ibnlive.in.com/news/sunanda-was-upset-about-relations-between-tharoor-mehr-tarar-journalist-nalini-singh-to-sdm/522425-37.html Quote:Jan 11, 2015 at 10:46pm IST 3. zeenews.india.com/news/india/first-picture-of-shashi-tharoor-mehr-tarar-in-dubai-surfaces_1529331.html First picture of Shashi Tharoor, Mehr Tarar in Dubai surfaces Last Updated: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 16:06 Well, it's known that they were both at a public function there. More interesting is that a witness at the inquest said that Tharoor was staying with Tarar in Dubai. 4. zeenews.india.com/news/india/sunanda-pushkar-case-did-shashi-tharoor-spend-3-nights-with-mehr-tarar-in-dubai_1528563.html Quote:Sunanda Pushkar case: Did Shashi Tharoor spend 3 nights with Mehr Tarar in Dubai? 5. ibnlive.in.com/news/sunanda-was-upset-over-growing-proximity-between-shashi-tharoor-mehr-tarar-says-witness/522410-61.html Quote:[quote]Jan 11, 2015 at 08:38pm IST Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-17-2015 The previous post, particularly the news items therein, are what's relevant. This post is just me thinking out loud. So, based on all the above: - Sunanda murdered by at least one poison that would (generally) not be detected in Indian labs, as per the news summarising the medical investigation's findings - Tharoor stayed with Tarar in Dubai as per a witness in the inquest (i.e. she'd be stating for the record, and hence it's not a casua). And journalist Nalini Singh has stated that Sunanda had said how she had proof of "Tharoor and Tarar having spent 3 nights in Dubai". The above two points taken together => ISI hand [Not sure about what the 3rd woman angle says, other than that Sunanda was tired of Tharoor's philandering. Still can't work out why she married him: he was never a model of constancy...] - Tharoor's housekeeper hadn't just overheard Tharoor and wife #3 fighting, but her threatening that she it was all over for Tharoor because of her interview. - Tharoor had tried to make his wife's death look like a suicide by introducing the bogey of lupus/"she bruised easily", whereas the medical examination revealed Sunanda did NOT have lupus at all. (Tharoor caught in a lie, as well as the two "doctors" he hired and the spokesperson of the Kerala hospital that Tharoor or KKKangress had appointed to chime in with the "Sunanda had lupus" story.) I.e. Tharoor had seriously interfered with the investigation to throw the scent off his trail. He wouldn't have had to do this if he were innocent. The above two points taken together => Not just KKKangress/ISI but Tharoor himself had a motive in wanting Sunanda out of the way. And not for her nagging him about his extramarital affairs or for his kicking him. AND Tharoor knew it was murder from the start, which is *why* he tried to conceal that it was murder by trying to make it look like an accidental suicide (by drug overdose): aka he is involved in the murder. Also, he seems to have known that the prominent poison would not be detected by Indian labs, else why his elaborate sharade to throw investigators off the trail? - Then there's Sunanda's tweet before her death-by-murder that if she brought up the issue of the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir she would be "sambolo-ed" (sp?) [silenced? done away with?] and that Tharoor and KKKangress expected her to play Good-wifey, Silent-wifey. - Sunanda was going to 'reveal all' in some interview as per her tweets. - Also according to tweets between her and her correspondents on twitter, Sunanda's interview was going to be with Barkha Dutt, known islamaniac and wife of some islamist (IIRC wife of some terrorist from Kashmir) - As per what the housekeeper (Narayan Singh) had overheard, Sunanda had said that she had *already* given her interview to the media. - Yet nothing in the media about the "great revelation" that Sunanda had intimated and the housekeeper had overheard => Taken together, it's not just the KKKangress and Tharoor and ISI/islamania that were involved, but also points to how the interviewer - a known fascist islamaniac Barkha Dutt, who regularly silences islamic genocide of Hindus - should be silently investigated by the police. As also NDTV or whatever christist channel Barkha Dutt works for. Though I'm sure Barkha and her jihadi husband (not to mention the christomedia) would have got rid of any incriminating evidence long before now. That Tharoor was having an affair with Tarar (and another woman and who knows who else) is not really in question anymore - notwithstanding any fake tears by Ms ISI, which will no doubt be produced in time, along with her denial and a plea for public/police credulity in her favour. That Tharoor and KKKangress and ISI did in Sunanda is not the question either. The real question is: what was the actual news Sunanda was going to announce to the public? If she was just going to air the dirty linen, I doubt it would have been sensationalist enough to warrant threatening Tharoor over. That Tarar was an ISI agent could work for shock value only if Sunanda could prove the ISI angle AND that Tharoor knew it, and if he had blabbed state-level stuff to Tarar/was in deep with Pakiland. Put otherwise: exactly what details had Tharoor been intimating to Pakiland via his part-time girlfriend Tarar? (She's not there because she was in love with Tharoor, right? Wait, Tharoor probably really does think it was his charm or his looks or some other imaginary quality he doesn't possess.) And how does this relate back to Sunanda telling her twitter buddies that if she were to make statements about Kashmir's native Hindus, she'd get Sambalo-ed (or whatever the word). Can already see Tharoor shaking his finger and say "I was NOT having an affair with that woman" a la Clinton. But at least Clinton wasn't sleeping with enemies of his nation... (<- Who knew there was a good side to Clinton?) But then, this wouldn't be the first time with Tharoor. He was last seen married to a Canadian working on nuclear disarmament or something for the US. (One "Christa Giles" was it?) Everyone who was plugging for Tharoor - not a great judge of character were they? I recall the Rajeev2004 blog proudly declaring that Tharoor wasn't into western women. Now did they mean *before* or *after* wife #2, the Canadian? Or did they simply - and conveniently - not know about Giles? I don't -in [i]theory[/i]- have an issue with western men/women where these are no threat to Hindus/Hindu religion/India and aren't dabblers, but specifically where NRIs who won't be returning to India are concerned. Having said that, I don't trust western persons when it comes to Indians and India: India has a major problem with the magic appearance/insertion of western women wherever high-profile Indian men are involved. Ever since the colonial/independence era, see a recent article by Radha Rajan at indiafacts where she briefly brings up this issue. The west always does infiltrate - and if possible, neutralise, else drag down or reorient targets toward the west/to treachery - every important Indian movement and highly-placed or otherwise important person. Guess ISI wanted in on the action too, seeing as how easy modern Indian men are. (Am sure modern Indian women would be too, but there are not so many in high profile positions. Mayawati and Mumtaz Banshee and Joylolita are of an older less outgoing generation [a generation of females who are more conservative/less likely to marry aliens] and they may not be able to speak sufficient English for it to appear natural to the public for them to find themselves married to western men all of a sudden. Though Mumtaz may be married to an islamaniac for all I know...) The previous post, particularly the news items therein, are what's relevant. This post is just me thinking out loud. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-17-2015 And the tragedies just keep piling up. This next is the worst news I've heard in a long time. The following stuff was found in the Rajeev2004 blog's twitterfeed. Quote:16 JanSuspect it's not some ideologically-innocent KKKangress plant. Quote: "The following excerpt from "Breaking India" is a small sample of what is wrong with hoisting Sheldon Pollock as the award-winning "Friend of India". He is now on a roll, rapidly taking control of Sanskrit Studies with massive funding from Indians who think they are helping "promote" their dharma:: On this page: beingdifferentforum.blogspot.in/2014/08/the-strange-case-of-re-de-re-colonized.html this para caught my eye Quote:My sources inform me that Sringeri mattha is likely to fund several million dollars to help these PhD factories. This is how ignorant our folks are. But who am I in their eyes to listen to? The white scholars are so smooth in impressing the Indian fools, using their skills with Indian languages and culture.Not sure who Rajiv Malhotra is calling stupid/a fool - i.e. whether any backreference to the Matha itself or its lineage of acharyas was intended. (Rajiv is not famous for respecting traditional acharyas and promotes Nityananda, so the suspicion is not unfounded.) But he can easily meet up with the acharyas of Shringeri and Kanchi if he actually wanted to. Everything could have been stopped long ago, with two simple rules, to be enforced by all Hindus on all Hindus (like the N/D/Lakota did with their War Declaration against the selling of their religion to aliens): 1. say no to anyone alien and don't let them anywhere near our Hindoo religion and any part of Hindoodom. That is, no dabbling of any type. Should have kept Hindoo religion private=secret like traditional Taoists do. 2. do not make Hindoo stuffs (Skt, Yoga to now Bharatanatyam and Carnatic music, etc) into "all-Indian" stuff, thus teaching and arming India's christoislamics - as it armed Buddhists etc in the past - who can and *will* use it all against Hindu religion. In other words: don't teach non-Hindu Indians anything Hindoo. (And with no apologies: Skt too is Hindoo onlee, *not* "equally" Buddhist/Jain/whatever just because they eventually hypocritically encroached on it - exactly like christianism is starting to do now, btw). But Indians will not want to do the 2nd and they will shout you down for even suggesting the first. Love for western people - but not heathen western people, i.e. those minding their own ancestral religion instead of dabbling in Hindu religion/new ageism - seems to be the defining quality of modern "Hindus". India is unfortunately witnessing the fruits of the mess it started. Pity that the Shringeri Matham is infiltrated by a KKKangressi (crypto?) CEO who is opening the floodgates to more subversion and de-heathenisation to come. A pity also that Swarup and Goel are gone. They had some sense and insight - and were not badmouthers of heathenism (or its traditional acharyas) and could have remedied all this easily. Don't know why Malhotra is calling Indians "fools" or something. Lots of Indians saw through the appropriation and inculturation years back. Even I did. (Though - being slow - I only realised more recently that Hindu religion has been a victim of inculturation since Jainism/Buddhism.) I seem to be unique however - though I can't fathom why - in having objected (ever since I first noticed) to aliens dabbling in the vedam, which includes but is not limited to the modern trend of Hindus inducting aliens into the vedam, since aliens have been dabbling in it independent of tutoring too. And I've slowly changed over to objecting to initiating aliens into anything Hindu, or approving any dabbling. Ancient Hindus would not have allowed this**, despite Elst insisting they must (using his Argumentum Ad Oryanism - which has turned into the greatest excuse). Have as yet Never But Never heard any Hindus complain about the alien "pure vedicist" types. And yet these last are really beyond any Hindus' worst nightmare. They are doing the Other replacement (a.o.t. replacement theology, which is done by missionary religions): pure vedicists try to take over Hindoo religion and replace you=Hindoos. ** Think deeply: would ancient Hindoos have allowed the christo-conditioned world any access at all, defined as the latter is by being bred by christianism as the desired replacement population upon christianism's genocide of Europe's native heathens. The very definition of mlecchas. Europeans are now essentially the product of convertibles and subvertibles alone: the insubvertibles were genocided/extincted long ago by the ancestors of the remaining Europeans. And the only Europeans who have yet managed to find their way back, find it back to their own *ancestral* heathenism/Gods, *never* to others' ethnic heathenisms. Anyway, the whole need to subsume the traditional mathas is to force them/subsume their views into the sphere of oryanism, else there would continue to exist Hindoo traditions not infiltrated and which have a life and views independent of oryanism. Subverting mainstream/modern "Hindus" is not enough if the west wants total control and total hijacking of Hindoo stuffs for themselves. They need to subvert traditional transmission among Hindoo authorities that are/have been immune to oryanism thus far. As usual, time will tell how it will all play out. In other news, seen at the rajeev2004 blog's twitter feed: + https :// twitter.com/trackevangelism/status/555972222951518209/photo/1 Quote:Tracking Evangelism ââ¬Â@trackevangelism(NGOs like ANHAD/Shabnam Hashmi etc, see image at twitter link.) Hindoos should have collectively banned alien companies, startups and orgs in India. There is no way to make laws banning alien orgs from supporting churches etc. Hindus let in a trojan horse and now have to wait for the inevitable consequences to lead to the inevitable conclusions. Next the same angelsk-speaking types will complain about the "incompetence" and "unsophistication" of the VHP/RSS in reconverting Hindus, despite the same angelsk-speaking types having supported and worked for the very organisations like Google India etc that have been facilitating conversions and christianisation of India and jihad (ANHAD). It's too much too ask that angelsk-speaking vocalists do some reconversion activities themselves, but could they at least not have been/be *part* of the problem. And then they sneer at the "paltry" numbers of reverts that VHP brings home and the "crude fanfare" with which this is allegedly conducted. <- Sort of a summary for angelsk-speaking/modern Hindu nationalists. + Leela Samson suddenly retires with a lame excuse. But Rajeev Srinivasan supplies a highly likely reason. timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Censor-Board-chief-quits-to-protest-MSG-clearance/articleshow/45904506.cms Quote:rajeev srinivasan ââ¬Â@RajeevSrinivasa Jan 15 + dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911990/PIERS-MORGAN-did-turning-cheek-turn-punching-face-Pope-Francis-does-mean-s-OK-shoot-too.html Pope Francis has sided with the jihadis who attacked the Charlie Hebdo magazine, threatening that insults to "faith" are provocation to a violence that is deserved. Hey, if those are the rules, then fine by me: being a rowdy by nature, this is what I'm good at. There is of course a threat to Hindus that's couched in Francis' message: the pope's statements are commandments to the faithful, and he is their rolemodel, his words leading by example. Whether European catholics still go by papal infallibility or not, Indian catholics do. So they are now going to go into physical assault mode, just like islamaniacs always do, if Hindus were to reveal any unsavory truth about christianism. + Another tweet: Quote:rajeev srinivasan ââ¬Â@RajeevSrinivasa It's not digestion. It's appropriation for Replacement. And like the commenter at HK had said: inculturation is the first step and re-interpretation (to give it a newfangled "christian" meaning) is the second step. And when the ever growing number of progressive/modern "Hindus" have dropped it - as already discussed about Skt and carnatic music etc - christians will declare they're the ones who "saved/preserved" Indian culture suddenly dubbed "therefore christian". Hindus faced Buddhist and Jain inculturation and re-interpretation in the past. Hindus lost a lot then, by (ill-advisedly) abandoning core Hindoo matters because of such Buddhist/Jain appropriation. E.g. Buddhist inculturation then appropriation of Indran and Brahma. (The beginnings are already seen in Silappadikaaram, when Indran for instance was still immensely important to and adored by Hindus - no less than Shiva and Vishnu - but when Buddhism etc had already started its inculturation routine on Indra.) Now Buddhism in E Asia etc claims that "unlike in Hinduism, Indra is still important in Buddhism". But they only ever had the Bauddhified *clones* of Indra and Brahma, i.e. fakes. And HindOOs never actually fully abandoned Indra etc, and even otherwise, other religions and entities - Indic or no - can Not inherit any part of Hindoo religion "by default". (Also Buddhism admits that its "Shakra" is a clone with a newly-minted distinct identity, and is specifically not the same as Vedic Indra despite having stolen his names and several of his features, see wackypedia references copied into IF on this.) There, I said it. On a smaller scale, such enforced Hindu amputation as a response to missionary inculturation/appropriation/subversion was already seen in the famous example of Hindoos dropping the padmam from Dakshinamoorty's hand after Buddhism had tried to inculturate on him via their Padmapani invention. Many such examples. But the strange late-Hindu apparent neglect of Indra and Brahma is famous, as is the fact that this change-over is conveniently regarded a "mystery". Note: the Hindu sect devoted to Brahma - comparable to Vaishnavas and Shaivas - was still attested in 4th century BCE or CE (can't remember, IIRC the former). But then... Anyway. The history of Hindoo religion's face off against older missionary=inculturating religions shows that Hindu religion didn't entirely emerge unscathed. (And today the very class of vocalists warning against inculturation and appropriation by christianism like to pretend that all Hindoo things appropriated by Jainism/Buddhism belong "equally" to Jainism/Buddhism - presumably because these had stolen these Hindoo things long ago. Yet it is all the same missionary tactic.) So Hindoos need to learn from their own history. No losses of heathenism are minor. Therefore Hindus must avoid dropping any aspect of Hindoo religion: not bindi, not veebooti or namam, not chandanam, not saree, not the prescribed items of jewellery, not thali, not flowers in the hair, not local dance forms and local Hindoo musical forms (singing to instruments and congregations), not our martial arts, not our siddha medicine or ayurveda (which Buddhists and Jains inculturated on too, so that it has suddenly become "all-Indian" - as per modern Hindus - never mind that ayurveda is the upaveda of IIRC the Rig Vedam), not ter/ratha yatras and utsavams (both inculturated upon by christianism since the colonial era), not melas, not our specific teerthas, not temple design, moorti design, temple elephants, go pooja (not inculturated upon yet by christianism), not vegetarianism, not stotras and mantras or forms of stotras and mantras, not the various rites of life like annaprashnam and vidyarambam, not bhakti (even today, Buddhism and Jainism laughably keep attempting to inculturate on bhakti by claiming to have invented it), etc. Not *anything* Hindoo. Jainism and Buddhism are still at it too, e.g. trying to divorce Tirukkural and Tiruvalluvar from Hindoo religion, so that some modern Tamil Hindoos treat it as a suddenly secular/unaffiliated or Jain text and don't take these as seriously as Hindoos used to take it. There's also the de-deifying of Hindu Gods and the de-sacralising of them, but this is done even by "Hindus" who then even object to Hindoos retaining their traditional views on such matters. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-18-2015 1. Important and eye-opening piece on why it was never a level playing field - why Hindus will never actually be able to compete fairly with missionary religions in India on a practical level because of laws already in place (the latter half of the article is the important part): realitycheck.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/hinduism-vs-proselytizing-religions-in-the-market-of-ideas/ 2. Couple more comments found at RealityCheck related to post 268 on the evangelical psy-ops and libel against Hindoos of Tirunchengode, followed by christomedia's push for freedom to libel Hindoos under a facade of "freedom of speech". Quote:sundar said, on January 17, 2015 at 11:24 am And a succinct summary of the whole enforced drama: Quote:Sam said, on January 17, 2015 at 2:46 am(Only object to a single phrase, but I don't think it is the commenter's own choice of phrase/own view, but rather that they're trying to present a distant/disinterested external observer's assessment of the overall situation.) Also I think the final conclusion is not quite complete. While the christomedia has wanted to tar the BJP and RSS etc as well (2 birds with one stone and all), the original core aim was and remains an attempt at psy-ops against the Hindus - it's why the Ford Foundation is involved and why the author is a handpicked christist who made up libel against a Hindoo community, and why Penguin picked up the book for mass publishing. It is intended to hereafter be disseminated as the "received wisdom" about the traditions of the Hindoos in question. As "sundar" observed very correctly above: Quote:Prob with such books claiming to be true but based on hearsay is those very books, works are kept in foreign universities, banned in India, and Mcaulay Putras take such fiction as True history and teach our future generations. Further new comments have appeared at the link. Among those worth reading is one by an "xyz", who gives a first-hand account of the behaviour of N.Ram of Chindu infamy and the others of the christocommunist fringe, when xyz tried to speak to them in person. N.Ram sounds just like the Sagarikas and Rajdeeps: with a definite agenda, implaccable on how Hindus/Hindoo religion must be dealt with, and of course hypocritical. And they know they can get away with it, too: has the christomedia not successfully silenced practically all news on the arrest (without bail) of lawyer Vijay Gaekwad for allegedly offending islamic sensibilities with some alleged comment about the first Mohammedan aka the puppet? Who or what but a motivated christomedia would avoid all mention of something so important and shocking as warrants much media coverage and protestation? Quote:Mac said, on January 16, 2015 at 2:24 pmOh but no. There's one rule for catholics - like N. Ram (a cryptocatholic technically, and communist too, like a good adherent of liberation theology) and one for Hindus. And the news was: realitycheck.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/hinduism-vs-proselytizing-religions-in-the-market-of-ideas/ Quote:sundar said, on January 17, 2015 at 11:24 amWhich makes the exact sort of connections as this thread was originally about: a '6 degrees of separation' type connect-the-dots game on how every visitation of "misfortune" upon Hindus always derives from very predictable sources acting with intent: christianism + AmeriKKKan orgs (sometimes via islam/with help of an islamic intermediary, though not in this case). Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-20-2015 And the soap opera drags on. Headless, pointless. Asking questions of Tharoor to which they already know the answer. Wait, this is India. Where soap dramas have no end. Should have known... indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shashi-tharoor-grilled-for-4-hours-in-sunanda-pushkar-murder-case/1/414209.html Quote:Shashi Tharoor grilled for 4 hours in Sunanda Pushkar murder case Soap cum circus. The crucial information will never be known as the police seems more interested in running a pointless show to catch a singular culprit (when there is actually more than 1) rather than the bigger scarier question-marks which concern the nation's security. Like, how much did Tharoor blab to his Paki (ISI) love interest? What was Sunanda going to reveal? Some little political indiscretion/treachery by Tharoor? And the housekeeper said Sunanda had already revealed it to the media, so why isn't Barkha on the list of those to be investigated? (Interrogation will be pointless as Barkha and gang would have already swept away all evidence. Better to impound all her devices and use a file recovery program on her mobile devices, personal laptops/desktops, work machines, etc. See if any deleted files contain relevant info. Doubt it. But sure would be fun to trouble Burkha. And who knows, maybe some of her other criminal activities might turn up...) indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sit-reveals-sunanda-shashi-argued-over-writer-katie/1/413322.html Quote:SIT reveals Sunanda Pushkar, Shashi Tharoor argued over writer Katherine Abraham Wow is the Delhi police slow. Everything they have "discovered" was already pieced together by Sunanda's twitter friends immediately upon Sunanda's death and by Subrahmanya Swami. Delhi police may as well drop their own investigations and just carry over the tweeters & S Swami's conclusions as well: time to nab Tharoor, KKKangressis and expose the ISI. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-21-2015 1. indiafacts.co.in/evangelism-made-andhra-economic-cultural-spiritual-ruin/ Apparently AP is on its way to becoming christian state. Wonder whether they're competing with TN? 2. indiafacts.co.in/harsh-manders-article-ghar-wapsi-conceals-christian-funders/ Mander seems to work for multiple christian orgs - of course he'd be attacking reversion activities - so can file the allegedly "Sikh" Mander under cryptochristo. And then there's this: vigilonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=970&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1 Quote:2. Harsh Mander 3. indiafacts.co.in/religious-crusades-cia/ is the new link for the article contents pasted in #264 - the one that revealed how Wendy's dad, Mr Doniger, was not Jewish but an evangelical christian with missionary zeal. The images used for the article when it was at swarajyamag have been changed for other ones at indiafacts. Not that it is actually important, but Swarajyamag's choice of imgs for the article can still be seen at [https] libya360.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/the-religious-crusades-of-the-cia/ ) Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-23-2015 1. indiafacts.co.in/pattanam-excavations-prove-myth-st-thomas/ More scary stuff: christianism is heavily investing in rewriting the history of Kerala and TN to declare that the south was "originally" christian - and Buddhist and Jain, for now too - anything but what it really was originally (Hindu). The Indic minorities must be pleased (they won't be when christianism eventually turns their attention to them). Btw, seems that Silappadikaaram was not originally dated 2nd century CE - even that turns out to have been a more recently assigned date, though pushed down later still in even more recent decades (to the 5th century CE and even the 8th cent CE by christianism). Apparently, Silappadikaaram had earlier on been dated to 2nd century BCE, and every older Tamizh Hindoo text was back then accordingly dated earlier w.r.t it. Anyway, the desperation to project very late dates onto Adigal/Silappadikaaram, Tiruvalluvar/Tirukkural down to an 8th century date for Adi Shankara is so obviously part of the project to christianise the history of India's Hindu south. 2. Archiving links on Leela Samson, the faithful catholic batting for christianism. In order of decreasing importance - indiafacts.co.in/leela-samson-allows-free-pass-to-pk-to-abuse-hindu-gods/ indiafacts.co.in/cag-report-said-leela-samson/ indiafacts.co.in/leela-samson-hypocrisy-fine-art/ Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-25-2015 indiafacts.co.in/india-shouldnt-mourn-terror-sponsor/ By Atanu Dey Commentary, Foreign Affairs, Politics January 24, 2015 India shouldnââ¬â¢t mourn a terror-sponsor Quote:I am appalled by PM Narendra Modiââ¬â¢s decision to declare a national day of mourning on King [of Saudi Arabia] Abdullahââ¬â¢s death. Thatââ¬â¢s saying something since it takes quite a lot to get me riled up. Does not Modi know that Saudi Arabia must have sent tens of millions of dollars for actively campaigning against the BJP and in all probability (at least indirectly) funded Islamic terrorists to assassinate him? The man who died presided over an inhuman system. He was someone who should be shunned, not celebrated. And Shri Modi declares a day of national mourning for the death of a man who was Indiaââ¬â¢s enemy? I would have expected this ââ¬Åmourningââ¬Â from the spineless Dr Manmohan Singh. Won't rebuild Sri Rama mandiram in Ayodhya, won't bring down christoislamic evangelical demographic jihad, won't put an end to temple looting or AP govt's sponsorship of christianism, but fawns over terror-sponsor Saudi King. Modi really has his priorities mixed up. Well, development is surely Da most important thing for India, and there is clearly nothing more urgent... I don't think future Indians will even have the luxury of hindsight (in the exact same way TSP-ers don't have objective hindsight either). How I miss the days when there were still HindOOs ruling in India, like Shivaji. Speaking of the HindOO Hero=kShatriya: I hear that recently, in Hyderabad, Owaisi's islamaniacs pulled down a statue of Shivaji, see web search results below. [Wasn't Owaisi that well-known ISI-class jihadi=genocidal islamaniac who infamously promised to ethnically cleanse the region of Hindus (i.e. genocide) if he could but get the law enforcement to stay away for a short time?] Just like MBh and Ramayanam and all of Hindoodom ultimately, Shivaji is also clearly wasted on modern Hindus. Never remotely saw him as a tragic figure before now. But what do you call a great hero who expends supreme efforts to safeguard a heathenism which is eventually trivialised into nonsense/new-ageism/unheathenism, and his efforts ultimately reversed, thereby turning his life into a great futility? <- That is after all what modern India has done to Shivaji et al. Modern "Hindus" are a bunch of ingrates. Plus, it bears observing how the increase in de-heathenisation in India is directly proportional to the increase in cowardice. The emasculation of modern non-christoislamic India has reached epidemic levels now. Quote:Mild tension at Kishanbagh | GHMC removes Shivaji ... reddit.com/r/indianews/comments/2qsw2s/shivajis_statue_removed_from_kishan_bagh_area_in/ Quote:[ââ¬â]KGKi 4 points 26 days agoHyderabad (all of AP) is like Kashmir/NE: christoislam is getting away with the same crimes and again in broad daylight. Probably islam is preparing for another ethnic cleansing in Telangana as it did in Kashmir. All the signs are there. And christianism will turn the remaining part of AP into the next christian NE. Anyway, don't need a crystal ball to predict the future of India (=TSP 2.0/Work in Progress) and its Hindus. Hindus in several parts of India are already treated like those in TSP. And can only expect more of the same from christoislam. With acceleration. And there's certainly no resistance to be expected from any "Hindu" nationalist govt in power either. Oh forgot the silver lining. It will all be so deserved this time: as India - including the NRI scape - secularises/de-heathenises in future, and devolves into more new-ageyness among those who still (mystifyingly and pointlessly) clinge to the Hindu/heathen label, if all these then get forcibly converted to christoislamania - new-ageists/subvertibles, quelle difference, n'est-ce pas? - would anybody *really* care? But in terms of damage control: just need to make sure not to enable any more alien dabbling, then at least other heathenisms won't have to deal with more of *that* fallout. Need to contain the problem/the disease to within India and Hindu-dom. The news was: indiafacts.co.in/india-shouldnt-mourn-terror-sponsor/ By Atanu Dey Commentary, Foreign Affairs, Politics January 24, 2015 India shouldnââ¬â¢t mourn a terror-sponsor Quote:I am appalled by PM Narendra Modiââ¬â¢s decision to declare a national day of mourning on King [of Saudi Arabia] Abdullahââ¬â¢s death. Thatââ¬â¢s saying something since it takes quite a lot to get me riled up. Does not Modi know that Saudi Arabia must have sent tens of millions of dollars for actively campaigning against the BJP and in all probability (at least indirectly) funded Islamic terrorists to assassinate him? The man who died presided over an inhuman system. He was someone who should be shunned, not celebrated. And Shri Modi declares a day of national mourning for the death of a man who was Indiaââ¬â¢s enemy? I would have expected this ââ¬Åmourningââ¬Â from the spineless Dr Manmohan Singh. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 01-26-2015 Archiving. 1. AP christogovt promises welfare schemes=reservations for "christian dalits", sneakily bypassing national-level govt discussion on this matter. Another item on the christian To Do list ticked off. newindianexpress.com/states/telangana/Rs-10-Cr-Christian-Bhavan-to-Come-up/2014/12/19/article2578556.ece Quote:Rs 10-Cr Christian Bhavan to Come up Anyway, another christian burden on Hindoo tax payers' purses: note how "secular" (i.e. cryptochristo) govt forces Hindoos to fund conversions and induce more to convert to christianism. Brilliant no? It's an age-old christian tactic, goes back all the way to christianising Rome itself. (Future forecast: Rome itself didn't last too long after christianism either. Some Indian equivalent of Santa Augustine will pen the Indian excuse equivalent to Augustine's apology for why gawd ordained Rome to fall. <- Indirect admission of christian guilt.) And here are catholic ragazines/mouthpieces, of course they make sure to present it innocuously (insidiously): - deccanchronicle.com/141222/nation-current-affairs/article/telangana-cm-k-chandrasekhar-rao-vows-bhavan-telangana-state - thehindu.com/news/national/telangana/kcr-announces-christian-bhavan-with-rs-10-cr/article6705134.ece 2. Repeat of older news: christianminorities.ap.nic.in/schemes.html Official AP govt site. Listing the Andhra Pradesh christian government's special welfare schemes exclusively for christians*. Even Hindoo forms of philanthropia - such as mass marriages - are inculturated upon and used to promote christianism. * Quite reminiscent of Rome's successive christogovts providing incentives for christians in Rome: special positions for christian soldiery, special monetary remuneration packages for Roman soldiers converted to christianism, special funds for churches (then too, taken from the native Roman temples: can people recognise the christian hand in AP? Or are there still people with "delicate sensibilities" who insist on not noticing and who don't want christoislam's hand in the "anti-India" nexus - actually anti-Hindu nexus alone - fingerpointed?) web.archive.org/web/20130515203505/http://www.freetruth.50webs.org/B3b.htm#EdictAndCodes Quote:Laws of Constantine Deja Vu, Rome part II. :rhyme: The news is in the first half of this post. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 02-01-2015 0. Typical christian: urges cryptochristianism and attacks Hindu-dom under a fake persona/Hindu name. indiafacts.co.in/letter-tn-chief-secretary-seeking-umashankar-ias-dismissal/ by Radha Rajan Quote:Letter to the TN Chief Secretary seeking Umashankar IASââ¬â¢ dismissal Better than firing him would be to ship him and any other christos in his family one-way to TSP. But firing him (and all his cryptochristian relations preferrably) would be the minimum. 1. indiafacts.co.in/foreign-funding-details-evangelical-organizations-kerala/ via haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=19416 Goes with the following links archived in the christianism thread: Quote: indiafacts.co.in/list-chennai-based-evangelical-organizations-receiving-foreign-funding/ 2. More on supercreep Sheldon Pollock (keep wanting to say Sidney Pollock, confused by Sidney Sheldon and Sidney Pollack): indiafacts.co.in/twenty-statements-sheldon-pollock-india-hinduism-sanskrit/ 3. indiafacts.co.in/census-2011-religious-imbalance-worsens/ Analysis based on the crumbs of 2011 census data dropped by christomedia. Christomedia of course only mentioned islam - and probably the figures are not honest here either - and kept deliberate silence on christian figures* (but American missions have proclaimed that India now has 150 million christians infesting it - should all be sent back to TSP.) * Comparable to how India's christomedia mentions cases of islamic terrorism and criminality in India when it has to, but whitewashes them. But christomedia maintains a studied silence on christian terrorism and mass-criminality in India. <= The fact that the same is happening with the carefully guarded secrets of the 2011 census is yet another indication of how christianism has control not just of christomedia but at very high levels in India. BTW, Hindoos in India would be a very small number now. After accounting for cryptochristos (not just christian "dalits") and communists - both being christians who tend to keep Hindu names for public purposes - and discounting non-Hindoo Indics (Buddhists etc), and being forced to not count Hindoos who no have been brainwashed by christoism to view their religion as distinct from Hindoo heathenism (then again, certain "Hindu" nationalists did threaten that there is no such thing as Hindus - and hence Hinduism - unless Hindoos regarded Jains and Buddhists and Sikhs as Hindus too, so I suppose this development is just desserts for them), after all that, the most imperative thing to do is to discount all the gangrene: new-ageists, Bauddhified, non-heathen, de-heathenised entities. I.e. all those that dumped tradition and invented their own thing in the assumption that any elective nonsense must be regarded as Hinduism too. Whatever they want, as Hindu means anything and means anyone Indian (including christoislamics), so yeah, gangrene is about as "Hindu" as christoislamics are. But what heathens would want to know is the number of Hindoos, i.e. Hindu heathens, in India (traditionalists) still in their ethnic ancestral religion (obviously not counting alien dabblers, whose ancestral religion is something else). The number of Hindoos is I think much lower. And, let's be frank, they're the only ones that matter, since the only reason anyone pretends to be concerned about the developments seen in each census is because of heathenism and heathenism alone (no one cares about new-ageism, except new-ageists). The internet is not a good indication of the ratio of Hindoos to Hindus (which latter includes gangrene). On the internet it is 1:100 or even 1:500. On the ground - at least in my and neighbouring states - it was higher. [On temple premises in India's temples it used to be 100%, but now aliens, dabblers and BR-type new-ageists have started to invade temples, so let's say 90%.] I'd estimate optimistically that the % of Hindoos=heathens of the Hindu religion in India is 35% if not less. (Takes into account the correlation between angelsk-speaking and de-heathenisation.) The percentage of christians in India is definitely the 150 million=15% as American missions have claimed and probably more. (Not because American evangelicals didn't exaggerate, but because this is offset by catholic and other cryptochristians.) The percentage of islamics in India has to take into account both infiltration from TSP-E and TSP-W as well as their deliberately multiplying at a high rate all these years for their planned demographic jihad (which is more likely to happen when "Hindus" in India become a minority or on par with christians, at which point christianism will feel the jihad no less). I'd say islam is at 15% to 18%. So with about 30% to 35% of India as christoislamic, the number of other minorities (Parsee, Jain, Sikh, Buddhist) at a negligeable 5% [even if neo-Buddhists really ought to be counted with christoislamania], the non-christian communists may be at 1-2% at most, the number of non-crypto i.e. actual atheists/genuine non-religious may be at 2% too [these are the ones that don't leech off heathenism labels], that leaves 55% to "Hindus" and other heathens (NE Shamanists are miniscule because of christianism and Bon is probably just a percentage of a percentage). Of the say 53% "Hindus", many would be the modern agnostics or atheists who insist on the "Hindu" label - these are the kind that like to freeload off heathenism on the "Hindu" ticket, probably because they want to claim Hindu "civilisation" - who'd be at least 10% if not 15%. Then there's new-agey entities and subversionists who'd be say 10%. So, yeah, 35% at most for actual Hindoo heathens (and other heathens) is a very optimistic estimate. "Unity" nonsense is NOT relevant. What matters, all that matters, is *heathenism* and hence the number of heathens: for any heathen population, it is of interest - and for Hindoos, it is moreover of great importance - to discover the actual number of Hindoo heathens in India. It would give a realistic view of how great the loss has been to Hindoo-dom from all forms such as de-heathenisation, subversion and other alienation. It also indicates what Hindoo heathens yet stand to lose. Of course, heathens are not the only ones interested in knowing this number. More interested is christianism (it is the whole reason for christianism's subversion and psyops and miseducation programmes: to de-heathenise people.) So of course christianism wants to know. Sure, christianism already knows it has been quite successful, but it would very much like to now the quantitative value of that success. But that's exactly the sort of information that any census of religion in India wouldn't ever provide. Besides, no new-agey or bauddhified or otherwise subverted Hindu would tick "new-ageist/Bauddified/otherwise subverted", after all, despite how even non-Indian heathens like Taoists can recognise non-heathen 'Hindus' easily. Nexus Between Entities Influencing India - Husky - 02-01-2015 4. Related to HK links on ghar wapasi archived in the christian missionaries thread. haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=19423 Quote:Ghar Wapsi in Tamil Nadu: Hindu Makkalkatchi reconverts nine Note how christianism - and it most certainly is christianism - is doing everything to prevent reversions. It's what missionary religions do. Bits highlighted in red show that: - HRCE=christianism: nothing less than christianism has taken over Hindu temples. To think there are delusional vocalists who still imagine govt takeovers of Hindoo temples to be "secular". - TN police are significantly christian: they have prevented the reversion to Hindu religion of 108 ex-christians. And this once again proves that TN govt is christian: the govt told the police to prevent it. - Christian govt via its temple-stranglehold dubbed HRCE/Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments prevented reconversion at Parthasarathy temple. As a result, the reversion ceremony had to take place at Kanchi Kamakshi Kovil which as all known is under the protection of the Kanchi Shankaracharya Matham. But no wonder the Christian KKKangress govt in Karnataka wants to take over the Hindoo Mathas too in Karnataka: haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=19347 5. More blatant christianism (and who can't tell the hand of christianism in the following). When christianism can't get its way legally, it will go ahead illegally, bypassing even the Courts. After all, christians follow jeebus' commandment to convert all peoples rather than secular temporal govts. Anyone who doesn't know the whole backstory on the very christian conspiracy against Aranmula, can read up on it at HaindavaKeralam (google over the site on "Aranmula", HK has been posting articles on the subject for the past few years). haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=19419 Quote:Violating Court order, Kerala Govt. allots 15 hectares of eco fragile land for Airport The Kerala govt is IIRC headed by one Oomen Chandy, a known christian. He's also famous for declaring - also for christian purposes - that the treasures of the Hindoo Padmanabha Kovil will be transferred into a museum for "public display". Now where are those alien eco-activists who suddenly descended into TN courts to get Jallikattu banned? They're nowhere in sight where Aranmula is concerned. Note also how no matter which legal means Hindoos use to protect their temples and sacred sites and Hindoo populations from the christian carrion fowl, christianism always -but always- bulldozes its agenda through. <- That's another indicator that the intentions behind these anti-Hindu "misfortunes" are NOT secular, but entirely christian. So Mr. Kummanam Rajasekharan is now going to spend more of his time trying to plead by legal means - against the illegal machinations of the obviously deliberately anti-Hindu christian govt - with the courts, that the Kerala christo govt be stopped. Who imagines that law will triumph against christianism? When in India, christianism IS the law, including the unwritten one: that Hindoos may *never* come up winning despite being law-abiding. I mean, the court order has already been flaunted by Kerala's christian govt. And just like with the christian destruction of the Ramarsethu, no matter *what* the outcome of further court declarations, the christians are going to proceed with their plans regarding Aranmula as well. So again (the real moral): why don't India's natives kick out all christoislamicommunists back to TSP where these belong? All these christoislamic terrorist problems terrorising the Hindoo nation will vanish overnight were christoislamicommunists sent off to Pakistan. |