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The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Bharatvarsh - 06-24-2007
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The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Guest - 07-17-2007
Date: 7/17/07 - 4:28 AM
Name: Rashmi Sahu
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Comments: Dear Sushamaji, presently the state of our India is dismal, people are still in deep slumber especially Sanatan Dharmis (I am not using term Hindu, because it is an Arabic word which means slave). Politicians are dividing people along Caste lines. Now Christians have come up with an idea of Quota for Dalits in school, similarly Muslims will follow soon. Why not we Santana Dharmis unite and open a chain of imparting education and learning for all of us, like Takshasila and Nalanda. We keep donating huge amounts to Temples which is eaten by politicians, Christians and Muslims in return we get only discrimination and adverse publicity by media in India and abroad. Cannot We start a movement for this in India? Please people writing on this forum think it over. Dear Sushmaji, I have grown spiritually by reading sites like www.sivanandaonline.org and www.vedamandir.org. Further there is site called www.arcaeologyonline.net which has lots of scientific verification on claims of Vedas that Hindus have done. Further www.stephenn-knapp.com provides good information on Sanatana Dharma and myth of the present history taught in schools in India. The state of affairs in India really saddens an honest and patriotic Indian. May God give us divine wisdom to eradicate all the evils in present Indian society especially politicians. With regards.
(Editorâs Note: Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on the sad state of Hinduism in India and for the informational links to important websites. Warm regards).
from www.hinduwisdom.info
some of the spellings may need to be corrected if you choose to site seeing.
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Guest - 08-25-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>They have failed India</b>
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Jaya Jaitly
The rot began with Indira Gandhi and is irreversible. Now, in the same month that we celebrate the 60th anniversary of Independence, the Left-Congress combine is reviving that infamy
On August 15, I went, as usual, to the location where our political colleagues gather to unfurl and salute the national flag and sing the National Anthem. It is usually attended by policemen detailed there, the various poor applicants and supplicants and satyagrahis who hang around political establishments till their work gets done, the office staff, people of all ages who lived in the staff quarters at the back, and any friends and fellow socialists who happened to be around.
Strangely, this year we were joined by a remarkably large, serious and distinctly participative group of monkeys. They do not usually come to this area on holidays, since their quota of bananas come from Government staff on working days only. Primates of all sizes, with intent patriotic expressions on their faces, watched the short ceremony and even came forward politely when a box of laddoos appeared at the end. It was difficult not be struck by the intensity of their participation and, in fact, their very presence.
Questions that immediately came to mind were, are they the only public audience now available? Since the 'people' have been kept at sanitised distances from most such occasions, have the politicians also kept away from the democracy's public engagements? And, finally, where do people and politicians stand in this exciting experiment of building our free country?
The recent celebrations of the 60th anniversary of India's Independence threw up a lot of media analyses on our journey through democracy. Largely, these were like a ticker tape parade; full of balloons and tri-coloured ribbons, and the GenNext, cosmopolitan view of India. Intellectuals and celebrities contributed their opinions. Occasionally, the Emergency was remembered, more as an aberration positioned against our vibrant democracy.
The annual speech by the Prime Minister on the ramparts of the Red Fort, the same desultory and strictly governmental salutes by Governors of the States, rigid events in which only the netas and netris counted for anything, all went by and were reported in a turgid manner. Perhaps within all this lies the answer to the question in the title.
If the question is considered a rhetorical one, and the answer is 'yes', we must conclude that since politicians belong to political parties, these too have failed the people, and that the hundred odd functioning parties - the legs of a centipede called democracy - have also failed India.
If this is the frightening conclusion, the return to an Emergency and a dictatorship would not be far. However, there is a democracy, and it is worked very well by the common people, while the politicians, save a few honourable exceptions who are consequently sidelined, have used democracy to serve themselves rather than the people or the country as a whole.
From 1947 to the late 1960s, 'India' was the key word and 'Indian' the only identity. Leaders and the common people lived unostentatiously. The display of wealth was only for the maharajas. Long before we declared ourselves 'socialist' by amending the Constitution, there was a spirit of egalitarianism built into the psyche of those who ruled.
Caste was not a defining factor for acceptability among the people since sincerity, commitment and genuine involvement in struggle moulded the leader before the people's eyes. All castes were finally Indians and everyone was fighting for a free India. Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and others also fought together for the same future since the idea of a free country was superior to religion, although later many factors distorted a unified result.
Many leaders of high stature like Jawaharlal Nehru, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, Lokmanya Tilak, Govind Ballabh Pant, Rajendra Prasad and numerous others shared the practice of politics through an immensely moral dimension largely enhanced by Mahatma Gandhi.
The decline began with Indira Gandhi. She was primarily concerned with her supremacy in the party. Internal democracy and elections within the Congress were discarded in favour of loyalty and commitment to her leadership. The Emergency was clamped to throttle democracy and genuine dissent. Sections of the media, judiciary and bureaucracy got a taste of Mrs Gandhi's hunger for obedience and sycophancy. It seems her insecurity deepened when in contact with people with independence and courage.
With an ideologically corrupted establishment and a party with no genuine membership, corruption became the next great virus for the simple reason that elections, the lifeblood of a politician, had to be funded now from sources other than member ship fees and people's donations.
Once Mrs Gandhi rationalised corruption by describing it as "a worldwide phenomenon", and her loyalists were graded according to their ability to fill party coffers. This spread to every nook and cranny of public works. The Janata interregnum, which had moral voices like that of Jayaprakash Narayan, did not last long enough to correct these ills , many of which got into the bloodstream of our bodypolitik and became chronic.
In the next avatar of the Janata Dal, the National Front, caste came to the forefront. While the issue of corruption brought VP Singh to the position of Prime Minister, the socialist ideology promoting abolition of casteism and equality between all castes was mishandled and corruption forgotten. This resulted in the gradual proliferation of petty, individual casteist platforms run by people with no defined ethics or national vision.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>India and its democracy now became just a means to get to power for its own sake, and a means to access the rich collection of goodies that went with it. There are plenty of ideological justifications trotted out for this - "our colonisers milked us dry, so now its our turn", or, "the Brahmins oppressed us and ate all the cream, so now its our turn", or, "the white civil servants ruled over the brown masses for their benefit, so now its our turn", or, "the other party did it while in power so now its our turn", and, "the other caste did it while their Chief Minister was in power, so now its our turn". </span>
For those politicians moulded during this latter period of moral decline, democracy is now an instrument to be worked only for personal power and monetary advantage. The common people of India proved they were ready for democracy and work to sustain it. Most present-day politicians must re-learn that the idea of India is power for these people, and not just for themselves.
<i>-- The writer is former president of the Samata Party, who works for the uplift of handicrafts makers</i>
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The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Shambhu - 08-25-2007
Re the large font part in the post right above this one :
Indians will get a sense of participation in India (as opposed to India Inc.) only when they are told the truth about India. (Like zero was invented in India, numerals are Indian, Aryabhatta's calculations within 0.2% of NASA calcs, and hundreds more). I had said as much at a recent Hare Krishna pravachan I went to, and people were very appreciative.
BTW the reader of the verses on that day (from the "BG as it is" by Swami Prabhupada) was a blond American man who said he was born Mormon.. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - acharya - 09-07-2007
Terrorism feeds on UPA policies
The Congress is playing a numbers game to justify sops to a particular community. The flawed Sachar Committee report has been subverted by another conundrum: The count of people who have died in all jihadi terror attacks in the country published by different newspapers. In the last decade, India has suffered the largest number of deaths due to terrorist attacks anywhere in the world save Iraq. The number is as high as 53,000 -- a toll higher than all the deaths in the wars that India has fought.
The UPA Government last May projected its 'achievements' in the three years of its rule. What was deliberately left out was the death toll on account of extremism. The Mumbai train blasts of July 11, 2006 killed 187 people. Despite this large casualty and the several hundred families that have been left without their sole bread-earners, the Prime Minister did not remember the event on its anniversary this year. This is the same person who went sleepless when an Indian doctor was held in Australia on suspicion of his involvement in terrorist activities. That the accused was subsequently released after being cleared is a different story altogether.
In New York, on every anniversary of the killing of over 3,000 people by jihadis on September 11, 2001, the US commemorates the event and keeps the nation on the alert against any subsequent onslaught. In India, the Congress and its allies do not even mention any terrorist by name, nor do they hold any commemorative ceremony to remember the innocents the jihadis have killed.
The ruling class talks of peace as if terror is just a passing phase. This sends wrong signals to the citizens whose cooperation is needed to suppress terror. The ruling coalition has turned a Nelson's eye on the scourge of terror, making it look as a mere act of some 'misguided youth'. Thus, it has deliberately avoided declaring an all-out war against terror as its main policy focus. How can the people be inspired to unite against all jihadi elements hiding in society?
The result is a depressingly familiar but ineffective drill once any terrorist attack takes place. The place where the event occurs is not even cordoned off and the VIPs and lesser fries romp around to be seen on television. In the process, they destroy vital evidence. Soon it is back to business -- they sympathise with 'misguided youth' and refuse to see them as people who preach terror, are determined to destroy the Indian state in the name of upholding a particular religion globally.
The Government remains in perpetual denial and, along with the 'secularists', plays down the acts of terror as isolated events, not as evidence of a vital link in the global war that extremists have unleashed on all others. The denial also serves the purpose of masking the international dimensions of the threat. Thus, the ruling establishment and its Marxist allies together are the best allies that the jihadis could have prayed for.
This approach of the ruling establishment to the pervasive threat of terror differs radically from the international approach -- be it of the US, Canada, the UK, Spain, France, Australia or any other country. Even Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Malaysia and Indonesia recognise the worldwide dimensions of this threat, but not India. The very title of the US Patriot Act differentiates terror mongers from other citizens of the country. This American law's provisions, too, are tough on terrorists, their abetters and financiers.
National Security Adviser MK Narayanan has publicly declared that funds for terrorists are coming into the country though a widely distributed money laundering network in the form of remittances. But what has the Government done so far to stop this funding? Should not the banks be asked to find out the remitter's whereabouts and his/ her capability of sending so much money and what relationship the remitter has with the beneficiary? Almost all countries have taken such steps to stop terror-funding -- but our Government has been lethargic. The horrifying face of jihadis supported by Marxists is lurking behind the UPA Government and the Congress.
How the Congress has allowed itself to be led by a minor party, MIM, on such a sensitive matter as terrorism is seen in the case of the Mecca Masjid bombings. Intelligence agencies had prior information from a person arrested at the Bangladesh border about large-scale landing and distribution of RDX from Pakistan and Bangladesh. According to newspaper reports, they wanted to search and locate the foot soldiers of this operative. But surprise of surprises, the Andhra Pradesh Government refused permission to the authorities concerned on the fear that it would inflame Muslim sentiments. For such ill-founded apprehension, these arrested people had to be released. The latest Hyderabad bombings showed just the predictable result.
If further proof is needed for the velvet glove the UPA Government and its Left supporters are extending to terrorists, look at the dilly-dallying over the execution of Mohammed Afzal, the mastermind behind the attack on Parliament House, ordered by the Supreme Court. A Congress Chief Minister openly says that he wants the Government not to carry out the sentence. Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil refuses to reveal what exactly the situation of the convicted man is.
The Left parties and many self-styled socialists are raising the 'larger issue' of how the sensitivity of one community might be affected if the sentence is carried out. This means that there are two laws in this country -- one for non-Muslims and another for Muslims. And the latter are exempt from punishment that the law prescribes for all criminals. Is that the message that the UPA Government wants to send? If so, is it not encouraging terrorists to strike anywhere without fearing any retaliation by the state?
The general reluctance to crack down on the merchants of terror for alleged fear of its impact on the Muslim community is a clear admission by the Government of India that for the vote-bank of this community, it can sell the country down the drain. It also, by implication, justifies the 'angst' of the community and finds a rationale for its demonstrated sympathy for those who take to terrorism as a 'justifiable' outlet of 'grievance'. More than anything else, look at the reaction of the Marxists to the Hyderabad carnage as has been detailed in the People's Democracy. Nowhere does the CPI(M)'s mouthpiece condemn the killings.
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Bharatvarsh - 09-07-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus upset over ban on holy dotÂ
By Amarnath Tewary
BBC News, BiharÂ
A senior official in India's Bihar state faces suspension for wearing the Hindu red mark on his forehead at work.
Lakshman Mishra, deputy director of the agriculture department, is accused of breaching a new government dress code.
He says he has worn the mark, or tilak, on his forehead at work for 30 years and it is his religious right to do so.
His colleagues support him - nearly all of them arrived at work on Friday wearing red marks in protest, and unions are threatening mass action.
Suicide threat
Mr Mishra's troubles began in August when new guidelines were issued on what state government officials could wear at the office.
His department head, CK Anil, warned Mr Mishra that he considered his tilak to be in breach of the code.
When he refused to remove it, Mr Anil recommended him for suspension.
Mr Anil is a young, no-nonsense civil service high-flier who has already reprimanded staff in another department for spitting out betel leaf they had been chewing at work.
He is currently not taking calls from the media.
Many people in northern India wear the red holy mark on their foreheads and it is a common sight in government offices.
Mr Mishra says he has no intention of giving up the practice.
"I've been sporting the red holy dot on my forehead for the last 30 years of my career," he told the BBC.
"It has religious sentiment for me and if somebody goes on harassing me on this pretext I'll have no option but to commit suicide."
Anger
Barring some senior officials, all the employees of the state agriculture department went to work on Friday with tilaks on their foreheads in protest at his treatment.
They laid siege to Mr Anil's office and demanded he withdraw his recommendation that Mr Mishra be suspended.
"The officer's move has hurt our religious sentiments and as our protest against his order we've come to the office today adorning our foreheads with the red dot. Let him suspend all of us now," said union leader Baidyanath Yadav.
Several other state government unions are also angry and are threatening mass protests if his suspension order is not revoked with immediate effect.
Even state Agriculture Minister Narendra Singh agrees, saying "no one should be suspended for wearing a holy tilak as it's a matter of personal choice".
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"sikularism" at work.
This b@st@rd Mr.Anil needs to be removed from his post.
If any Sikhs were asked to take off their pagri there would be national uproar, who is this scum to tell what we should wear.
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Guest - 09-08-2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus upset over ban on holy dot
A senior official in India's Bihar state faces suspension for wearing the Hindu red mark on his forehead at work.
Lakshman Mishra, deputy director of the agriculture department, is accused of breaching a new government dress code.
He says he has worn the mark, or tilak, on his forehead at work for 30 years and it is his religious right to do so.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>What is this</i>, a christian school? Where they regularly ban anything and everything Hindu (pottu/tilakam/veeboothi, bangles, flowers in hair, anklets)? Must be a fast-christianising arena, Indian politics, because the same pattern of things happen(ed) in S Korea. Sonia Gandhi's tentacles are everywhere.
CK Anil must be a christo or communist. A christocommunist. Same thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"sikularism" at work.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's christianism (under the guise of psecularism). They'll never ban those annoying crucifixes around converts' necks or the undercover bible-toting terrorists at office waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting, but they're eager to oust people who are minding their own business only because they continue to wear the Tilakam?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"I've been sporting the red holy dot on my forehead for the last 30 years of my career," he told the BBC.
"It has religious sentiment for me and if somebody goes on harassing me on this pretext I'll have no option but to commit suicide."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->NO. *Seriously bad way to react* by Mr Mishra. Old generation is clueless on how to fight modern terrorism.
Hindus should stop killing themselves - it's exactly what the christocommunist terrorists want. Old generation Hindus are inconvertible. The ignorant younger generations (myself included) don't know anywhere as much about Hinduism and therefore can be fooled into psecularism and from there on tricked into christoislamiterrorism. But not the old generations, who are very close to their Gods and the Old Ways.
Stay alive, stop them in their tracks, show them you have teeth and maybe the losers like Anil will back off. Expose or sue CK Anil for religious persecution and communalism - it's what the ever-whiny christoterrorists do without any provocation anyway. Get Anil fired without references, let him fade into obscurity. After all, he's the one who's causing trouble and disharmony.
Good people should stop killing themselves, the world is already imbalanced by the vast numbers of people possessed by stupidity (christoislamicommunazism) - we don't want add to their advantage, do we?
Times are tough for Dharmics. Now's not the moment to continue with the agelong Dharmic trait of self-denial by leaving off from fighting evil tyrants for fear we might be stronger and hurt the villains. Fight back - they have <i>no compunction</i> in hurting us. If we don't value our lives then they'll feel even more certain that they can run us over with impunity.
If this poor man imagines his suicide will stop CK Aneil from doing the same to others in future or will at least bring his plight to light, he should realise that the christoterrorist media will not cover an old Hindu man's suicide - or if they did, will not do so with fairness (let alone any sympathy). It's a sore waste of his life.
Older people need to remember the saying that 'Evil triumphs when good people do nothing' (or something like that). 'Doing nothing' is what will happen when one's dead. I do understand that there are unfortunately times when suicide is the only option, but this is <i>not</i> such a time. These Hindus should fight back, get CK Anil fired - and who knows, this may even somehow further the case of getting Sonia exposed.
Can't afford to continue the way we've been going. Else we'll end up like the Romans. Psecularisation is a nasty, sneaky, debilitating symptom of a country having caught the christian disease. It happened to Rome (e.g. IF Link).
We need not repeat others' mistakes. Hindus and other Dharmics must make a choice. We either go the way of the Dodo now, or we live to fight another day. Because intolerance never allows for any compromise.
And psecularism is just another name for blindly tolerating utter intolerance.
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - acharya - 09-08-2007
'India can never be a Hindu State' - Sachar
September 7, 2007
Former Delhi high court judge Rajinder Sachar was appointed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's United Progressive Alliance government to head a committee to study and submit a report on the social, economic and educational status of Muslims in India. The panel submitted its report to the government on November 17 last year.
In an exclusive interview with Rediff India Abroad Senior Editor Ajit Jain in Toronto - where he was a guest of the American Federation of Muslims of Indian Origin (Canada) - Justice Sachar said, "We have indicated the dismal education and poverty levels among Muslims, and we have offered our suggestions on what steps should be taken to improve the dismal conditions. I believe the government is taking action on our suggestions."
Justice Sachar said top officials have assured him that the UPA government will try and implement most of the recommendations made in the report. "It is good that both Houses of Parliament will discuss our report now."
For Justice Sachar the question is not whether there is any kind of systemic discrimination against the 174 million Muslims of India. "There is such a perception, and there is such a feeling in the minority community. It is not as if there is any deliberate attempt to discriminate against Muslims but, frankly, Muslims lack very much on the education side. There is reluctance on the part of parents to send their girls to school. The government has to make a lot of effort in this direction so that more and more Muslims - men and women alike - receive proper education," he said.
What do you think are the key recommendations in your report aimed at improving the conditions of Indian Muslims?
Our committee was appointed to give a report on the economic and social status of Muslims in India, which meant finding out about the Muslims' economic conditions, their social status, etc and what should be done to improve those conditions.
They call it the Sachar Committee Report but people forget the committee comprised six other eminent people: Sayyid Hamid, Dr. T K Oomen, M A Basith, Dr. Akhtar Majeed, Dr. Abu Saleh Shariff and Dr. Rakesh Basant.
We have made several suggestions, including that mechanisms should be in place to ensure equity and equality of opportunity and eliminate discrimination; an Equal Opportunity Commission should be constituted (the formation of which the Government of India announced on August 31 ) to look into the grievances of Indian Muslims; the idea of providing certain incentives to a diversity index should be explored so as to ensure equal opportunity in education, governance, private employment and housing; a process of evaluation of the content of school textbooks should be initiated and institutionalised, etc.
We believe the government has taken some action and is taking further action on our report.
Is there any systemic discrimination against Muslims in India?
It is not as if there is a deliberate attempt to discriminate. But there is such a perception. Ours was more a factual thing. When there exists a feeling within a minority -- either at the higher or lower levels - that there is discrimination, then steps must be taken to remove that feeling, that perception.
For example, in the Indian Administrative Service, we found Muslims account for only two to three percent of the cadre. Interestingly, we also found that the percentage of success among Muslims and non-Muslims is the same. There was no discrimination in that sense. The percentage of people - Muslims or non-Muslims - who got selected is the same.
But, frankly, Muslims lack very much in education.
What do you attribute that to?
More concerted efforts are necessary to help Muslims in the education field. And Muslim women are worse in this area. It is because there is a certain amount of reluctance among Muslim families to send girls/women to school.
Could you apportion blame on the government for that?
This means that the administration has to take these things into account.
Take the case of bank loans. They get less. What we have suggested is that the government/banks concentrate on areas that are Muslim-dominated. In our report we have indicated that the average amount of bank loan disbursed to Muslims is two-thirds of the amount disbursed to other minorities. In some cases it is half.
The Reserve Bank of India's efforts to extend banking and credit facilities - under the prime minister's programme of 1983 - has benefited other minorities but marginalised Muslims.
You know there is a certain percentage of loans that must be given to the minorities. That is part of the government scheme. There are minorities like Jains, Christians, Sikhs, etc, but they are comparatively financially better off. So when those loans are to be given and if you don't concentrate on areas where Muslims are, you may give loans to the minorities but Muslims may not get the benefits.
You may have to make special efforts to get across loans to them because they are in the backward parts of society. We believe it is the government's function to help backward sections... and Muslims happen to be a part of the backward section in the country.
Have you suggested quotas for Muslims on the lines of those for Scheduled Castes and Tribes?
We were not supposed to make any recommendations on those lines. That was not part of our mandate.
I am saying there are negative perceptions and so something has to be done to remove such perception.
For example, if you approach the areas where they live, they will automatically ask for loans. India is such a big country. Many of the Muslims don't even know there is such a scheme as loans for the minorities.
What about Hindu-Muslim communal riots in the country, like in Gujarat and Maharashtra?
This is a very serious issue. This is a little worse because of the whole Babri Masjid issue. Earlier when communal riots used to take place -- irrespective of who took the initiative -- they were not so serious. The Babri Masjid and Gujarat left a very bad impression. They were very distinct kinds of disturbances.
These had international ramifications.
Frankly, the international aspect is not important. We are not worrying because of their international connotations. What is significant is that these two developments generated feelings among the minorities that they are being driven to the wall. That certainly is not a happy situation.
What would you then say were the other ramifications of these developments?
I would say these developments were complex.
Have you made any suggestions on what should be done to avoid the recurrence of such tragic incidents?
We have suggested that during the selection of, say, police personnel, there should be a Muslim representative on the selection boards. Efforts have to be made to generate a stronger sense of security among Muslims. Sometimes it is not that it is actually happening, but if the perception is there you must also take that into account.
So we said that in normal postings in Muslim areas -- at least at the sub-inspector level -- there should be a Muslim because they are always posted at the district level. If you have a Muslim at that level, Muslims will have more confidence.
When misunderstanding arises between communities, it builds pressure.
Where is the country today in terms of these issues?
On this communal thing I would say it is under control. The government is aware of it and they are taking action. In regard to the communal thing, the government is taking great care and adopting corrective policies.
What kind of message do you think the Muslim leadership is conveying to the community?
I think Muslims feel they are a part of the country. I don't think Muslims have to be told it is as much their country as of other groups.
India belongs to all of us. India can never be a Hindu State. India cannot survive without its composite culture, without the combined might of Hindus, Muslims and other minorities. It is not a country of one religion. It never was. It never will be.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/sep/06inter.htm
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S.Karthik Ramnarayan
08 Sep 2007, 01:38
It is very sad to know that ,any fool can do a research or study and come out with his own conclusions and drive the nation on such notion.This fellow Sachar in his last answer says India was never a country of one religion.I feel sad that he had become a judge without required educational background!What a poor knowledge of history he has!What was the religion in India before the Mohameds,Christs,Budhhas and Jains?It is Sanathana Dharma.It is this Dharma that India alone has and the world today Dosen't have.Let us all remember what Sri Aurobindo had to say,"When I say ,India shall rise,It is the Sanathana Dharma alone which shall rise.Because India is Sanathana Dharma and vice-versa."J-Hind
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - acharya - 09-08-2007
A Hindu view of the "Bleeding Heart" Sachar Committee report
11/20/2006 5:25:24 AM
(Excerpts from "Rajender Sachar Committee Report about (minorities) Muslims" by Dr T.H.Chowdary from http://www.drthchowdary.net/)
The Rajendra Sachar Committee has collected some facts and is so presenting them to make the Hindus squirm in shame. The flavor of this report is that Hindus have a bias against Muslims, Hindus are discriminating against them, Hindus are keeping them poor, Hindus are making them insecure, they are deprived of education and opportunities for development; and these are sought to be proved by facts like 15% Muslim population having between 2% and 5% representation only in government services etc. It is silent about the numerous minority colleges and huge money they are making by selling seats. They gloss over the fact that the average number of children in any social or economic group for Muslims is higher than that of Hindus; that Muslim girls are not encouraged to go to schools, and the leadership is wanting madrassas and urdu schools, and that these are the reasons for their poor performance. The Sachar Committee wants us to forget that Muslims were a ruling class for hundreds of years; they foisted Persian as the language of the government, had 90% of the jobs for Muslims, and that for example, in the Nizamâs state Muslims were the rulers until 1948 and 10% Muslims enjoyed 90% of the jobs and not Telugu or Marathi or Kannada was the language of instruction from primary to even the University level but urdu was the language in schools, colleges and in government and in the High Court.
The Sachar Committee Report is understood to be recommending massive financial allocations specifically for Muslims including subsidies to madrassas which teach Koran in Arabic. We are witnessing competitive bidding of 'secular' parties promising 5% reservation, a mosque in every village, a darga in every mandal, urdu ghars, shadikhanas and even in totally Hindu majority cities, (like Vijayawada) Mayorships being given to Muslims.
There is a deliberate design, no longer a conspiracy but actual implementation to see that Hindus are finished, are reduced to second rate citizenship by a combination of minorities namely Muslims and Christians. Muslims are first offered all the privileges and special rights because if offered and not implemented, they would become violent, take to terrorism and destroy the government apparatus just as during Muslim Leagueâs direct action, on the 16th of August 1946 to terrorise the Hindus into accepting the partition of India . If Muslims are given, then there is nothing which can stop the Christians to demand their pound of flesh.
Hindus therefore are now under siege from jihadi terrorists, Christian proselytizers and both of these are backed by Marxists and various brands of communists and vote-seeking 'secular' parties competing with one another to ingratiate themselves with the minorities. The siege engine to breach and break up the Hindu society is caste. All the enemies of this country are united in pitting one Hindu caste against another and thus destroy the Hindu identity. Hindusâ enemies are working hard to unite the minorities by religion and divide the majority by caste. this is their strategy. If the Sachar Committeeâs recommendations are implemented, India will be bled because we will be taxed to pay to produce more Muslims more terrorists more disrupters and more allies for the global Islamic umma. We will be required to pay for not only their education and businesses but even for propagation of their religions, for diversion of Hindu templesâ funds as that is already happening.
The Great Indian Political Debate - 2 - Guest - 09-09-2007
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The only reason why I decided to title this blog as âChaak De Manmohan Jiâ is the confidence I have in our Prime Minister Manmohan ji to help drive the extremely difficult proposal of a Congress and BJP alliance at the national level in response to the unfolding challenges coming in way of Indiaâs quest for the world leadership
The honourable Prime Minister, by virtue of his unassuming personality and simple demeanour, has the wherewithal to disarm the most vociferous proponent of opposition to this idea within his own party as well as in the BJP.
Today the Prime Minister is highly regarded by his friends and foes. Manmohan ji also enjoys a groundswell of popularity with the Indian masses. He is an anti-thesis of an Indian politician, who is seen as a valueless and dishonest person with an obsession to satiate his/her own personal greed and lust for power, stooping down to any level in his/her pursuit of this agenda.
In order to live up to the expectations of the masses Manmohan ji ought to accept this challenge. He is sure to succeed because he has the grit and determination as well as the sincerity, capacity and the authority necessary to make this objective a reality.
Yes, Manmohan ji, people are looking forward to you, to lead from the front in launching an initiative on behalf of your party to build bridges with BJP, the principal opposition party of India.
An alliance with BJP will give your party the breathing space and also spare it from frequent blackmails by the supporting parties. I am sure the Congress will be no longer required to cozy up to the disparate and one man/woman driven parties whose agenda is solely to usurp power at any cost by pursuing short sighted, parochial and anti-people agenda.
This objective when realized will lead to sharing of the power at the Centre as well as in majority of States and thus in its wake bring about the real unity of the country. It will lead to good governance and in real sense make a difference to every Indian and not to any particular caste, community and regional group. The country will get the âstaying powerâ to confidently deal with International politics and realities and the Government of India will be seen as commanding majority of Indian people. The alliance Government will have no compulsion to pander to demands due to imperatives of real politics and will have the freedom to concentrate on real issues facing the nation today.
Many of my readers will laugh at me for this blasphemous suggestion, in case they indulge in it then it will be at their own peril and risk. The reality is that, both Congress and BJP are similar in their outlook, thinking and have proven time and again that the national interest is at their heart. Except for the âanti- Muslimâ perception that BJP has inherited over the years and âdynastic and pseudo secularistâ tag that goes with Congress, the Grand Old Party of India ,the coming together of these two parties will lead to a win âwin situation for all stakeholders. Their association itself will generate a momentum that will bring about within these two parties a focus shift focus from ânegativeâ to âpositiveâ agenda. This political initiative is bound to consign the fringe and extreme elements within these parties to the dustbin of history.
My confidence also derives its strength from the fact that Berlin Wall, considered as âindestructibleâ structure at one point of time crumbled the day the East and West Germans decided to say âenough is enoughâ and agreed to make a new beginning by coming together. So is the case with the breakup of Soviet Union, which was also considered âunthinkableâ at one point of time, collapsed like a pack of cards the moment people realized that there was a need to do away with the it.
I just want to reiterate that momentous and defining moments in a countryâs history demand great people to rise above narrow outlook as well as âsmallâ mindset trappings. Manmohan ji you have an admirable partner in the BJP, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who by virtue of his charismatic leadership and wide acceptability can help you take this agenda forward.
Come forward Manmohan ji and show to the world that you are a cut above the rest, a masses Prime Minister and apolitical man.