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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

'Muslims, SP being targeted over Mumbai blasts' QUOTE"Muslims are made to feel as if all of them are terrorists. I would like to tell the government that if 20 lakh Muslims pour onto the streets, it will be very difficult to control the situation," Azmi said.

Referring to the recent violence in Bhiwandi in Thane district over the construction of a police station near a mosque, Azmi said police were committing âexcessesâ in the wake of the lynching of two policemen there.

"People in Bhiwandi have started leaving the place and are afraid. If these things continue, I will defy the ban on my entry into Bhiwandi and over 50,000 people there will court arrest under my leadership," he warned

Blackmail, I hope 2 lakh Hindus show up for Modi rally.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

Indo-Pak talks should not be stopped: Left
QUOTE"We do not agree that composite dialogue and the peace process with Pakistan should be stopped. Rather it should be continued, as the terror strike attempted to derail these talks, besides disturbing communal harmony in the country. Terrorists should not be allowed to have their way," CPI leaders D Raja and Gurudas Dasgupta said.

But the Manmohan Singh government should sternly ask Pakistan to dismantle all terror camps in that country and in Pak-occupied Kashmir, they said.

The Left party also charged the Union Home Ministry with âtotal failureâ in coordinating intelligence inputs regarding the Mumbai serial blasts.
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The CPI leaders also came down heavily on the BJP for trying to gain political mileage out of the serial blasts and said its move to âcommunaliseâ the tragedy was âsynonymous with the intentions of the terroristsâ.
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Here comes gem from Commie.
Please send them to Pakistan and Bangladesh without return ticket.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

QUOTEPM accepts Pak sponsored terrorist modules existed in Mumbai

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=h...sitems.as\
p?ID=IEH20060714130911&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0&?headline=Pak~hand~behind~Mumba\
i~blasts:~PM

Saturday July 15 2006 00:08 IST
MUMBAI: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who arrived in Mumbai for the first time
since Tuesday's serial blasts, deviated from his typical soft stand did some
hard talk about Pakistan's involvement in the terrorist attacks as he subtly yet
firmly accepted that Pakistan sponsored terror modules exist in the city.

Although he did not name Pakistan directly he made a straight hint and said, "The terror groups get support from across the border, and Pakistan must stop all help to such terrorist groups." <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />

Making another remark about Pakistan, Singh also stated that the peace process
with Pakistan would not move ahead unless Pakistan fulfils its promise.

"Pakistan has given us assurance that its territory will not be used for any
activity against India, however that assurance has to be fulfilled before the
peace process moves forward," he said, further adding, "In the face of such
events happening, it becomes very difficult to maintain normal relations with
the country and relations with Pakistan can be affected"

Pakistan, on its part has been consistently denying any involvement in the
Mumbai blasts and Pakistan president general Pervez Musharraf has in fact even
Offered assistance in the investigations of the blast. {DDM at its best}

A series of seven blasts within minutes of each other had claimed over 200
lives and injured more than 800 others on Tuesday.

The prime minister also lauded the spirit of citizens of Mumbai and said that
the people of Mumbai had given a befitting reply to the terrorists who were
intending to destroy India's economic strength.

The prime minister said that while intelligence system had to be upgraded,
perpetrators of these violent acts always like to maintain suspense and so while
macro level information is available it is difficult to pin point at the micro
level.

"Our intelligence department were aware that a large quantity of RDX was found
and warnings were given that something large was anticipated but the terrorists
have a peculiar pattern of operation and always have the advantage of a surprise
element," he added.

Surprisingly the PM did not say much on the role of SIMI, and PM simply said
that that he understood that it was a banned organization.

Singh also said that the unfortunate incident was an opportunity to tell the
civilized world that India had been facing terrorism for several years.Â <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/argue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='argue.gif' />

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

Mumbai blasts probe: 11 detained in TripuraQUOTEEleven residents of Thane detained near the Bangladesh border in the Northeastern state of Tripura will be brought to Mumbai for questioning in connection with the bomb attacks in trains, police said on Saturday.

They were caught two days ago while moving about suspiciously near the border. A team of the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) will bring them to Mumbai from Tripura for the blasts probe, ATS chief KP Raguvanshi said.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

SP demands ban on Modi's entry in MumbaiQUOTEMumbai, July 15: The Samajwadi Party demanded a ban on the entry of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to Mumbai for addressing an anti-terrorist rally.

"If such people are allowed, the Samajwadi Party will strongly protest and gherao him," said Abu Asim Azmi, the president of the Maharashtra unit of the Samajwadi Party.

Modi is scheduled to visit the city on Monday to address the rally organised by the BJP.
Chor machaye shor.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

QUOTE(utepian @ Jul 14 2006, 08:36 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEI think if every one of us convinces our family, friends, neighbors, and people living in our community (go to temples and argue with priest, go to community functions and talk to people, distribute pamphlets) you would be surprised at the support you get.

Sorry pal. Tried it. Talking to anyone with more than a high school diploma will be an exercise in revelation of how much "support" you will not get.

Sad, but obsession with self flagellation is unbelievably excessive.
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I think i support teh previous quote. we must start talking. even if it was tried and failed we must be tireless in talking to people about the need of uniting Hindus. and this must start close to once 'circle of influence'. we must have few talking points that we must bring up with out friends, some new revelations not just rhetoric but facts that the common people would not know.

For any one who is in US must know how well the Republicans use their simple talking points to make it understandable for people. We must keep out arguments short and simple. and have 100% conviction in waht we say. i suggest following.

Talking points (please help solidify this)

1) Babri mosque demolition
It was not fanaticism. Illegal - Yes, Fanaticism - No (we must be very clear and strong about this)-
Muslims had given up the use of the mosque as it was too small and 5 more mosques were constructed around that mosques to replace it by 1943 (can any one verify this?)
Muslims in ayodhya had signed affidavit giving the permission for its use by Hindus (can any one confirm this? if it is true we must say this every time like a mantra)
Mosques are demolished in Islamic countries to built infrastructure (Can any one confirm this? I have heard this, not sure if it is true)
We must not depend on mainstream media to spread this words. if they are true (we must confirm) then we should spread it through blogs, personal contacts etc. media will eventually pick it up.

2) Their Argument: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists so they should not be hated

Counterargument: The fact that majority of Muslims are not terrorists, in itself is not good enough to prevent the apprehension towards the Muslims. (If majority of Muslims were terrorist than they could be identified and fought with.)
The apprehension (hate) towards Muslims is primarily due to the fact that, Muslims who are otherwise normal and perhaps genuinely friendly at one time could very quickly become of extremists view/terrorist.
This may sound too simple, but it is clearly the argument that should be used again and again against- 'we are not all terrorists'. Terrorists are not the problem, the strong potential of regular and unsuspecting Muslims becoming extremist is.

3) Every religion have extremists in them.
The problem again is not the presence of extremist, but absence of moderates in Islam who should themselves control the extremist in Islam. So far the best moderate Muslims are able to do is not participate in extremism themselves (in favor of their own well being). Most of the so called moderates are in fact most likely in support of the âcauseâ of the extremist may be not their action. That kind of soft stand from moderates is what encourages extremisms.

4) 2) Their Argument: Israel is heavy handed to Palestinians, that is causing all the hate in Muslims community towards non Muslims. 

If the balance of power in middle east was inverse, the Arabs would make the situations of Jews worst then that of Palestinians right now. The Israelis exercise such excessive power because they are not able to trust their survival on the âfriendshipâ with the Arabs. Muslisms were there before the Israelis creeped in- yes. But they won the right to stay in Israel by fighting a legitimate war against Arabs, just the way Muslims won the right to stay their by fighting the war against Christians.

5) Kashmir
No one else has a right to even talk about Kashmir. It is and always will be a integral apart of India . (period) no arguments here.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

Post 39,

QUOTENice one. Mind if I use that once in a while? If you want, I'll credit you for it.

Yes you can use it, and no need to give credit.

I would say Sri Aurbindo had it right when he described the main problem of our civilization:

"I believe that the main cause of India's weakness is not subjection, nor poverty, nor a lack of spirituality or Dharma, but a diminution of thought-power, the spread of ignorance in the motherland of Knowledge. Everywhere I see an inability or unwillingness to thinkâincapacity of thought or âthought-phobiaâ. Whatever may have been in the mediaeval period, now this attitude is the sign of a great decline. The mediaeval period was a night, a time of victory for the man of ignorance; the modern world is a time of victory for the man of knowledge."

That more that anything else has made us ignorant of the threats facing us. What I pointed out in Post 33 is a symptom of that unwillingness to think. Because of this incapacity of thought Hindus have let the enemy define an artificial value system secularism/communalism and then they try and operate within that value system. Hindus have many disabilities in the Indian system, but the lack of clear thinking, the reluctance to evaluate others through Hindu values, and unwillingness to defend their views and interests are self imposed; truly a product of "thought-phobia".

As to the problem of defence, we are facing the same choice that Pandavas faced; whether to fight or let adharm prevail. In this case we need to use even harsher measures in order to prevent the dawn of a new totalitarian age, and fall of a significant part of humanity into abject mental slavery. Violence then is an acceptable form of action in such a situation. I quote Sri Aurbindo since he can say it much more eloquently than I can.

" War and destruction are not only a universal principle of our life here in its purely material aspects, but also of our mental and moral existence. It is self-evident that in the actual life of man intellectual, social, political, moral we can make no real step forward without a struggle, a battle between what exists and lives and what seeks to exist and live and between all that stands behind either. It is impossible, at least as men and things are, to advance, to grow, to fulfil and still to observe really and utterly that principle of harmlessness which is yet placed before us as the highest and best law of conduct.[19] We will use only soul-force and never destroy by war or any even defensive employment of physical violence? Good, though until soul-force is effective, the Asuric force in men and nations tramples down, breaks, slaughters, burns, pollutes, as we see it doing today, but then at its ease and unhindered, and you have perhaps caused as much destruction of life by your abstinence as others by resort to violence.... Evil cannot perish without the destruction of much that lives by the evil...."

QUOTEThe damage that propaganda, communism and missionary education has done is to weaken the Hindu mind so that it is unwilling to think of defense.

The enemies have done a lot of propaganda to be sure, but that is not entirely the cause of lack of Hindu defense. The Hindus are inheritors of the greatest spiritual wealth out of any civilization, and it would be great if more people understand its true value, but it doesn't seem to be necessary in order to defend one's self and loved ones against a barbaric enemy. That is the most basic human instinct, and we have seen Hindus exhibit this natural instinct many times, only to be restrained by government. The indifference is because of ignorance of the ideologies of the enemies, and a product of regarding terrorism as an isolated event, as opposed to an act of war in a well planned strategy of conquest. Hence, what Hindus need is awareness of the threats (Islam, Christianity, and their history), end of some modern myths (Sarva Dharma Sambhav), and organization. We do have other problems that need to be addressed, and they should be, but the problem of security is the most important one, and we only have a few more decades to address it.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

QUOTEIndia's 7/11 
By Clinton W. TaylorÂ
Published 7/13/2006 12:22:18 AM

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10085

This one is not just going away. A final death toll has not emerged at this writing, but it has reached 200. Mumbai (Bombay), a city already battered by terrorism, is slowly coming to grips with the enormity of what happened. The horrific imagery of the blast rivals that of 9/11, and the comparisons have already begun:

"Gruesome scenes from Tuesday's attacks dominated Indian television, which began referring to the day as 7/11. Images of a middle-aged man, his body severed in two, crying for help as his fellow passengers carried him away, were broadcast repeatedly."

If the "falling man" who jumped from the World Trade Center is the signature image of that awful day, then the broken body of that man may take on a similar grim importance in India. One suspects the Indian media will not be so shy as ours is about showing such an awful reminder as the hunt for the suspects begins.

There are two main suspects in Tuesday's train bombing. Either way, one man will bear some responsibility for them. And it is possible the country that has harbored him will pay as well.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is a radical Muslim terror group with ties to al Qaeda. It has also received heavy funding from an Indian crime lord named Dawood Ibrahim, another suspect in the bombings and a terrorist in his own right. Ibrahim is regarded as the mastermind behind Mumbai's 1993 bombing that killed 257. His gang, called D-Company, planned the first attack and smuggled in the RDX explosives from Pakistan. (I discussed his operations for The American Spectator online here and here.)

Both Lashkar-e-Taiba and D-Company are suspects in the 7-11 bombing as well. Ibrahim also has close al Qaeda ties, according to our Treasury Department, and it is likely no coincidence that this serial attack took place on the 11th of the month. I suspect that Osama bin Laden and the leadership levels of al Qaeda were not involved in this attack, but that it was carried out by home-grown terrorists (with Al Qaeda's advice and approval) as occurred in London a year ago.

For the sake of peace in the region, however, it doesn't matter which group was behind it -- both are supported by Dawood Ibrahim. And Ibrahim (and possibly elements of L-e-T) are helped by Pakistan's Intelligence Service, the ISI. Ibrahim is widely reported to live like a king in Pakistan today, controlling his criminal empire and immune from extradition to India. (Pakistan denies that he is in the country.)

At one point the ISI were staunch American allies against the Soviets. Since then, they have given us Kashmiri separatists, Dawood Ibrahim, A.Q. Khan and his nuclear network, and their attempt to create a pliable proxy state in Afghanistan: the Taliban. Elements within Pakistani intelligence have relentlessly advanced the cause of Islamic fundamentalism in the region and imperiled the world with their support for terrorists and for the distribution of nuclear technology. While they continue to assist us in capturing terrorists now and then, it is becoming more and more difficult to overlook these faults, and it will be even harder to ignore their cozy relationship with the chief suspects in the second Mumbai attacks.

That relationship hasn't escaped one senior Indian politician, L.K. Advani, who in the wake of the bombings has called on Pakistan to surrender Ibrahim to face justice in India, noting that Ibrahim is to 7/11 as Osama was to 9/11. But Pakistan has been content to ignore such demands before.

This time India's demands may be more forceful. Saisuresh Sivaswamy, a columnist for India's Rediff News, began to look around the world to formulate an appropriate response:

India has been engaged in a peace process with the very neighbour it knows is out to dismember it through any and every means available to it.

Is it any surprise that terrorists continue to attack India with impunity?

Contrast this with the way America has gone about its business since September 11, 2001, and you will see why that nation has not faced any attack in the last five years. Osama may fume and fret from his mountain hole, but there's little more than that he and his terrorist hordes have been able to achieve against the only remaining superpower.

That is because America understands that war can only be won through war, it cannot be won through peace, a belief India has been labouring under for so long. 

India, like the United States, has been at war with Islamist terrorists for years now.

And as with the United States after 9/11, it has every right to hold nations responsible for harboring and abetting the terrorists who attacked it. However, the risks of this confrontation are potentially much more grave: one hopes that two nuclear powers, and two allies of the United States, can be deterred from an all-out confrontation over this issue.

If Pakistan is serious about avoiding a war -- possibly a nuclear war -- with India, it should hand over Dawood Ibrahim to face Indian justice. The United States, in its efforts to maintain the peace between the two nations, should insist on no less from Pakistan. And if Dawood Ibrahim's testimony brings down the Islamist wing of the ISI, the world will be a better place for it.

Clinton W. Taylor is a lawyer and Ph.D. student at Stanford

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-15-2006

QUOTEIndia needs to be ruthless in its vengeance
Shishir Bhate
July 13, 2006
Rediff.com

As a child, I rarely fell asleep without listening to my grandmother
narrate 'good-over-evil' stories from religious scriptures. Her
dramatic story-telling ability held me enraptured as she described
how gods took on the demons and crushed them. With 330 million gods
to choose from and a near-perfect memory, her bank of stories was
inexhaustible. At school, I learnt 'moral science,' which primarily
consisted of religious tales of divine domination over wickedness.

I was in love with these godly heroes as they vanquished the forces
of evil, mercilessly mowing them down. It took me slightly longer to
realise that the magnitude of violence that lurked in religious
anecdotes could hardly be matched by anything human. Yet I continued
to be enamoured of Krishna and Christ alike.

For, to an impressionable mind of a child what mattered most was a
sense of fairness, of justice. My mind, then, could not fathom what
made people malevolent; all I believed was that the evil-doer pay
the price for his sins, dearly.

Many moons have passed since then, but my love for Krishna and
Christ is intact, and I still believe that evil should never go
unpunished: the more severe the punishment, the bigger the deterrent
it is for future violent acts. Or, I should say, the inevitability
of punishment is the biggest deterrent.

However, there is nothing inevitable about India's resolve to wipe
out terrorism.

But let me come back to the present. A day after the blasts, I
boarded the first-class compartment of a Mumbai suburban train. It
wasn't bursting at the seams with passengers, like it normally does,
but I couldn't discern fear on the faces of my fellow passengers,
only a weary cautiousness. Their voices, however, were laced with
anger.

The snatches of conversation that I could hear centered on the
Indian State's 'impotency' at fighting terrorism and what it should
do to destroy terrorists. But the common man does not have the right
to influence the State's policy towards matters as important as
these, does he? So what if he has the right to vote governments to
power.

India, time and again, has failed to wield the hammer against the
lowly terrorist, often letting its citizens down. And despite what
our leaders would have us believe, we are a soft State: a fact fully
understood and exploited by terrorists.

After every such attack, the political establishment makes some
threatening noises, hails the spirit of the civilians, holds aloft
the pennant of peace, even launches buses to inimical nations, and
then sits tight on its backside till the next wave of bombs rips the
stuffing out of its citizenry. Then it is back to the same idiotic
idiom.

But the common man, who actually bears the brunt of terrorism, has a
different view, as that train ride told me. India needs to hit them
where it hurts the most: squeeze the breath out of their networks,
starve them for funds, take out their leaders (who we claim to know
are hiding in this country or that), smash their hideouts, terrorise
their associates.

No sooner is such an opinion voiced than human rights
groups, 'saner' elements in the political firmament, self-styled
negotiators and strategists jump into the fray to say: 'No, no, we
should engage these 'people' in a dialogue. We are a peace-loving
nation and terrorism needs to be resolved through peaceful means,
through tolerance, through negotiations, abiding by international
laws.'

We are told: 'We need to fight terrorism by understanding what
triggers it and then remedying the situation. And by making 'them
see reason.' Reason, my foot! The next thing you know' that bloke
will be stuffing a dynamite stick down your throat and lighting the
fuse.

Many people agree that international terrorism cannot be brought to
an end only by the use of bombs and military might, but neither can
it be ended with mere talk. What is needed is a heavy dose of
ruthless action to go hand in hand with tactical and strategic
negotiations.

The nation should be ready to negotiate, with the underlying
condition that if there is any terrorist act against its citizens,
there will be hell to pay.

This is not some original thought. We hear it all the time. The
common man says:

Strengthen the infrastructure and the intelligence network.
Educate the society on how to remain alert and control panic.
Set up crack commando groups -- comprising snipers, specially
trained and equipped assault teams, state-sponsored combatants --
who will engage in unconventional warfare.

Dry up the terrorists' sources of funding: drug trafficking,
robbery, extortion, playing on international stock markets,
donations.

Keep a hawk's eye on hostile locations and smash them up.
Take out leaders of these organisations, no matter where they take
refuge.

Tighten the nation's borders even more, except maybe for trade.

Not an easy task, but not impossible either. The might of the Indian
State is hardly something to scoff at. Disuse of power is worse than
its misuse. It is time for Indians to roll up their sleeves, spit on
their hands and get to work.

The one-track 'mature, gentile, peaceful' way of unraveling this
menace only ends up in making the nation appear impotent. Just
because the citizens are brave and spirited doesn't mean they have
to keep suffering.

The common man wants a strong message be sent out: if any Indian is
harmed in any manner, we will hunt you down and exterminate you, no
matter how fast you run or where you hide.

The terrorist has no human rights; he loses them the instant he
points his gun at humanity. He is not a signatory to the Geneva
Convention and international laws of war should not apply to him.
Since he chooses to live by the gun, he deserves to die by it.

Sounds uncivilised? Like out of a trashy thriller? Maybe. But ask
the newly-wed girl whose husband was blown to pieces in the blasts,
ask the old widow whose only earning son will walk no more...

India needs to be ruthless in its vengeance. The inevitability of
punishment could nip many a hostile intent in the bud.

Which brings me back to grandma's tales. Not one of those stories
ended with the demon getting away unpunished. Not once was justice
denied. But since then, the concept of justice has changed for me.
No one wants justice, everyone wants a decision in his favour. So
why not the common Indian? It is time we were given our slice of
justice.

But can we do it? Or will the nation have to wait for divine
assistance: a Krishna or a Christ to deliver us from terror?



Yes, Mr. Bhate. We would have to wait. We will always wait. We have lost
the will to live, and deem fortunate to exist - at the mercy of others. So, we wait.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

QUOTE1) Babri mosque demolition
It was not fanaticism. Illegal - Yes, Fanaticism - No (we must be very clear and strong about this)-
Muslims had given up the use of the mosque as it was too small and 5 more mosques were constructed around that mosques to replace it by 1943 (can any one verify this?)
Muslims in ayodhya had signed affidavit giving the permission for its use by Hindus (can any one confirm this? if it is true we must say this every time like a mantra)
Mosques are demolished in Islamic countries to built infrastructure (Can any one confirm this? I have heard this, not sure if it is true)
We must not depend on mainstream media to spread this words. if they are true (we must confirm) then we should spread it through blogs, personal contacts etc. media will eventually pick it up.

I think you just woke up.
It was not illegal. First it was Hindu temple. Hindu temple was destroyed by Barbaric Islamic invader name Babar and built Mosque over it. In 1943 British government handovered structure to Hindus.

This thread is dedicated on this issue -
Destruction Of Mosque By Muslims In Islamic Nation,
There is another thread on Waqf also. And understand what is there new strategy.

It is haram in Islam to do idol worship or building worship but Indian Muslim are doing. They pray on grave.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

Of course, our homegrown commie terrorist's blogaganda.

QUOTETerror In Mumbai:Whose Terror? By K.Sidharth

http://www.countercurrents.org/ind-sidharth130706.htm

It cannot be excluded that yesterdayÃ¢ÂÂs atrocity in Mumbai was organized or facilitated by agents provocateurs working for one of IndiaÃ¢ÂÂs intelligence agencies. It is also possible that the Mumbai bombings were the work of Hindu supremacist fanatics bent on stoking up anti-Muslim violence

THey must have removed the article, wonder why.. Too early to start their campaign?

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

QUOTETHey must have removed the article, wonder why.. Too early to start their campaign? 
They are busy campaigning this in other fora.
There brain work in one direction conspiracy against them and denial.
They will release article after Modiâs Mumbai visit.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 16 2006, 12:28 AM)I think you just woke up.
It was not illegal. First it was Hindu temple. Hindu temple was destroyed by Barbaric Islamic invader name Babar and built Mosque over it. In 1943 British government handovered structure to Hindus.

This thread is dedicated on this issue -
Destruction Of Mosque By Muslims In Islamic Nation,
There is another thread on Waqf also. And understand what is there new strategy.

It is haram in Islam to do idol worship or building worship but Indian Muslim are doing. They pray on grave.


Its not about me or you knowing it. its about everyone else. Babri demolition i still seen in general public understanding as act of hindu fenetisim. Our knowing the fact is not important if we keep it to ourself. even if there are 100 artcle and 5000 people who say it was not an act of fanatisim there are seems to be 5000 article and 100000 people who think it was. and we must help to change that no. We must find more and more ways to spread the truth. we must not feel shy or hesitent in doing so. Thanks for the link though. something i was desparate to find.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

Lashker-e-Qahar claims responsibility for Mumbai blastsQUOTEA terrorist outfit Lashker-e-Qahar on Saturday sent an e-mail to a TV channel claiming responsibility for Tuesday's serial blasts in Mumbai in which nearly 200 people were killed.

According to the TV channel, the e-mail message was received at 1725 hrs on Saturday claiming that the outfit was associated with the Lasker-e-Taiba.

The Lashker-e-Qahar said 16 people were involved in the terrorist operation in which they trigerred seven blasts in local trains.

The organisation said it was making their involvement public since all the 16 people involved in the operation were now safe in their places.

The message, sent from the e-mail address jack_smith55@yahoo.com, said explosions were carried out in retaliation for the incidents in Jammu and Kashmir and Gujarat.

New name funny joke.

Well I did my own investigation/google about jack_smith55@yahoo.com and walla here he is link, another link, but DDM HT unable to do any investigation and made this a headline. Now you know Indian English media standard and IQ. They are worse than any third rate tabloid paper. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Need smily for DDM stupid media

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

Now about Lashker-e-Qahar
google search
LinkQUOTEThe condemnation of such activities comes in the wake of a new group called Lashker-e-Qahar claiming responsibility for last week's bomb blasts in Varanasi in Uttar Pradesh, which killed 15 people and injured over 100. Lashker-e-Qahar, or Army of the Subduer, takes its name from Asma-ul-Husna, or 99 beautiful names of Allah.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?m...t&counter_img=4

Bring back POTA, shed soft image: Jaya

K Venkataramanan | Chennai

Asserting that the July 11 Mumbai blasts had reinforced India's image as a 'soft state', former Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalitha on Saturday demanded that the Centre bring back the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA).

'The Central Government must bring back POTA and show that it means business in taking tough measures to combat and put down terrorism,' the AIADMK general secretary said. The UPA Government should dispense with 'empty rhetoric, stop flagging off buses and trains to Pakistan and take concrete steps to re-infuse confidence in the public,' she said.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-16-2006

The big SIMI scramble
QUOTEHowever, the Congress has rather chosen to occupy the ground vacated by the BJP, preferring upper caste Hindus to Muslims who have gone for Mulayam despite disenchantment with him in the last few elections. Congress leaders feel it would be easier to lure away floating Bramhin voters than the committed Muslim voters and hence the loud posturing, instead of a guarded response, against SIMI

Joshi said there were Intelligence reports that several UP Ministers were hand-in-glove with terror outfits and the Chief Minister had admitted in the Assembly that 34-40 districts were sensitive to terrorism.

Claiming that the BJP was the only party sincerely committed to ensuring security of the people, Joshi reiterated the party's demand that Arjun Singh and A R Antulay should resign ocer their "anti-Hindu statements" in the Cabinet meeting. Singh and Antulay were reported to have said that Hindu outfits had a hand in some of the terror attacks in the country, for which, usually Muslims had been blamed.

SP target
Consolidating Muslim base by wooing SIMI cadres
Pushing Muslims away from Congress
Compelling the BJP to be more strident
Keeping Mayawati at bay by turning Muslim votes in SP favour
Helping SP by extreme polarisation

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QUOTEModify your backbone 
Pioneer.com
Swapan Dasgupta |
There are some moments in the life of a nation when people eschew individualism and look for leadership. I don't know whether history will record the carnage of July 11 as a defining point for our country - just as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in 1919 was for our grandfathers, the fall of France in 1940 was for the British, and September 11, 2001 was for a majority of Americans. It is not the scale of a disaster that prompts a country to break with the past. A decisive shift in a nation's collective way of thinking is invariably provoked by a corresponding feeling of vulnerability and helplessness.Â Â

History records that it is at these critical moments a leader often emerges who is able to transform dejection and despondency into determination and hope. Neville Chamberlain, the rather stiff and gentlemanly soul who epitomised the policy of appeasement, was not lacking in popular support between 1937 and 1939.

When he returned from Munich in 1938 with a piece of paper that promised "peace with honour" he was met by jubilant crowds grateful that war with Hitler had been averted. Winston Churchill, who opposed Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler, was then regarded as a crazy killjoy - a British Bal Thackeray. Yet, by the spring of 1940, Chamberlain was unceremoniously dumped and Churchill installed.

Something similar happened in India after 1919. The nationalist leadership slipped out of the hands of stalwarts like Lokmanya Tilak and Surendranath Bannerjee and India reposed its faith in a quirky Gujarati who cloaked politics in ethics. Many of his contemporaries saw the Mahatma as a dotty interloper. He was unique but there is no doubt that passive resistance and non-violence crippled the British Raj more effectively than all the guns and bombs put together.

Leadership involves the ability to capture the essence of popular feeling and nudge it in a clear direction. Leadership becomes inspirational, not because an individual is blessed with godly attributes, but because -to use an ill-timed slogan of a failed American presidential aspirant -"in your heart you know he is right."

Last week, India confronted a twin threat. First, the Islamist jihadis defiantly proclaimed to the world that they have the determination, organisation and technology to strike at the heart of India. The attacks on Parliament, Ayodhya and the RSS headquarters in Nagpur were foiled and the bombings in Delhi and Varanasi were dress rehearsals. Mumbai was the real thing and it left India distraught, disoriented and exposed.

The media invocation of the "Mumbai spirit" of gritty resilience was actually a grotesque celebration of national helplessness. People spontaneously rushed to help and comfort the victims of the tragedy, took the personal discomfiture caused by the disruption in their stride and then - and this is the harsh, unspoken reality - waited for the fire next time. They played Mumbai meri jaan on TV when they should have been whistling Que sera sera - "whatever will be, will be" - the signature tune of Hindu fatalism.

As if this good-humoured march to the gallows wasn't bad enough, India is confronted by a leadership vacuum of monumental proportions. It was absolutely revolting to hear a shamefaced Prime Minister mouthing inane platitudes about keeping the peace and defeating the nefarious designs of the terrorists. It was remarkable that even in the face of such a disaster Manmohan Singh could not rise above the template mundane.

Was Sonia Gandhi any better? She certainly upstaged Manmohan Singh by rushing to Mumbai first and comforting the victims. But where India needed the steely determination of a Margaret Thatcher, or even Indira Gandhi, she chose to play Florence Nightingale for an evening.

When defeatism parades as enlightenment, you know that something has to give way. We need a leader who can call a spade a spade, brook no nonsense and do what is right. We need a man the jihadis dread and loath. We also know that such a leader exists. It is time we stopped being afraid of mentioning his name.

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From Pioneer
QUOTEBiggest explosive haul in Bengal leads to Mumbai 
Saugar Sengupta | Kolkata
The decision of the West Bengal police not to reveal the biggest-ever seizure of explosives in the State just a week before the Mumbai blasts took place has raised eyebrows in administrative and political circles here. The police have now woken up to probe if the consignment had any link with Mumbai blasts.

The explosives were apparently transported from Mumbai to Kolkata, just a week before the Mumbai serial blasts but the seizure was not revealed in the wake of the blasts. The State Intelligence department is now investigating different aspects of the incident, including its links with the terrorists who masterminded blasts in Mumbai.

The State Criminal Investigation Department has foiled an attempt to trigger yet another human carnage "most probably in a big city like Kolkata" by seizing a sack full of explosives weighing 35 kg and detonators from a house in Birbhum district neighbouring Jharkhand, senior police officials said. Following a tip off, the sleuths intercepted the consignment that contained 1000 gelatine sticks and 400 detonators police said adding they are in the look out for a man called Madhu who had either sent the sack or was scheduled to pick it up from the house. The consignment was transported via road from Mumbai to Kolkata from where it found its way to Birbhum, IG, CID DP Tarenia said.

"This is one of the biggest hauls in the recent times," Tarenia said. "The explosives were capable of raising to rubble big concrete structures like public buildings and bridges," he maintained. On whether this was meant to trigger blasts of similar intensity as that in Mumbai, he said the police were trying to ascertain whether more such consignments had been dispatched. The State has been on high alert following Tuesday's Mumbai blasts that claimed more than 200 lives.

Though the police do not rule out a Naxalite hand - as the sack was seized from Bengal Jharkhand border -for now they are attaching more importance to the Islamic terrorist angle, sources said. The police were as well trying to ascertain whether Madhu had a SIMI background.

Meanwhile, contradictory statements emanated from the State administration with Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee claiming that SIMI was not operating in West Bengal while Home Secretary PR Ray said that the police had been raiding the possible hideouts of the SIMI operatives.

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QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 16 2006, 12:47 AM)
Its not about me or you knowing it. its about everyone else. Babri demolition i still seen in general public understanding as act of hindu fenetisim. Our knowing the fact is not important if we keep it to ourself. even if there are 100 artcle and 5000 people whoÂ say it was not an act of fanatisim there are seems to be 5000 article and 100000 people who think it was. and we must help to change that no. We must find more and more ways to spread the truth. we must not feel shy or hesitent in doing so. Thanks for the link though. something i was desparate to find.
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Why? If it is not Babri, it will be something else. Then what does one do? Go beg them to spare hindus? This excuse generating pattern and the machine is blissful dhimmitude's collective response to muslim aggression, to say the least. But, good luck, keep at it. I will sit back with popcorn, hoard on daal and surf, and see all the irrational and illogical excuses hindus (intellectual twits that they are) will make for terrorists, as it is the only thing they know.