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Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-27-2005

QUOTE(kashmir_chelvan @ Apr 26 2005, 03:31 PM) should JK be granted economic assistance? 
Rajesh_G had done some good research on the 'additional economic assistance to J & K' link here: http://indiaforumarchives.blogspot.com/200...nd-kashmir.html
Read it in detail... it's a long read.

Please read it. ToI report (my post couple posts above) shows how the 'freedom fighters' are subsidizing tax rupees of Indians.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-27-2005

kashmir_chelvan,
QUOTElanguage, brother, language.
In place of writing 3 words or one liner, How about writing a paragragh explaining your own ideas and views?

Jammu And Kasmir - Bharatvarsh - 04-27-2005

My view on Kashmir differs quite a lot from that of most Indians.I believe that Kashmir should be given up if the following conditions are fulfilled by Muslims (note I am only talking about Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh belong to India):

1) All Muslims in India should move to Pakistan and Bangladesh, where they can happily follow their barbaric religion and besides Pakistan especially was created for them.

2) All Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh should move to India to complete population exchange.

3) A small part of Kashmir should be given to Kashmir Pandits because Muslims unfairly ethnic cleansed them.

4) Pakistan and Bangladesh should hand over the following Hindu majority districts which they grabbed during partition:

a) Thar Parkar district of Sindh

b) Kishanganj

c) Khulna

d) Chittagong hill tracts

If all those conditions are fulfilled then I would be willing to give up Kashmir, until then Kashmir belongs to India.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-27-2005

Post from S R Krishnan on IC..

QUOTEhttp://www.radiokashmir.org/contents.html

"And the world remained silent"

http://www.radiokashmir.org/Video/AshokPandit/atwrs.html

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-27-2005

For these Kashmiris, visiting Muzaffarabad was a nightmare
QUOTEWhen they reached Muzaffarabad with the expectation of meeting up with their long-separated relatives, they found that the latter had been put in jail.

This triggered off protests and demonstrations, with people like Mohammad Yousuf Bhatt, a resident of Srinagar, alleging that the authorities in Pakistan were out to gag people in Muzaffarabad, lest they reveal information that could show the situation in Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir in bad light.

"Our innocent friends and relatives have been arrested. Of them, 26 are in prison and more than a hundred are missing. We are demanding to know why they were taken into custody. They've been in prison and we aren't allowed to meet them.

"They were arrested because they wanted to welcome the people on the bus from Srinagar. But, before they could, they were taken into custody at the dead of night," Bhatt said.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-29-2005

QUOTEUltras in Kashmir running out of fire power: Intelligence
Pramod Kumar Singh / New Delhi
"Hello Alpha-3, it's Victor-3, Hamara bura hal hai, jaldi kuchh hathiyar aur grenades bhejo, hamare pas kuch bhi nahi hai (we are in bad shape, send some weapons and ammunition immediately, we do not have anything)". "Fikra mat karo kuchh na kuchh ho jayega (Do not worry, something will be done)".

This is not the transcript of a police wireless message but an SOS of a LeT militant, holed up somewhere in the Kashmir Valley to his handlers in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (PoK), requesting for some urgent arms supply.

This is one of the hundreds of messages intercepted by Intelligence agencies a few days back, denoting the acute shortage of fire power with various terrorist outfits active in the Kashmir Valley. Intelligence intercepts in the possession of the Intelligence agencies suggest that at the current rate the ammunition reserve of almost all the militant groups in the Valley will be finished by the end of June.

Intelligence sources said that owing to the intense pressure mounted by the security agencies, terrorist groups such as Hizb-u-Mujahideen (HuM) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) are harking for arms, ammunition and explosives. While LeT is faced with a shortage of new recruits and weapons, HuM and JeM are waddling owing to the shortage of ammunition and explosives.

LeT and JeM, whose cadres come from Pakistan and Afghanistan, are also battling with a shortage of men apart from ammunition. HuM has some local support in the Valley. But all these groups, which once held sway in Jammu and Kashmir, have been effectively checkmated by security agencies.

The latest attempt by the two LeT militants to launch an attack in the Capital was intended to mark the outfit's presence and lift the sagging morale of its cadres. However, they were stopped in their tracks by the irrepressible Rajbir Singh, the ACP of Delhi Police's anti-terrorist unit, the Special Cell. The group's earlier attempt to attack the Indian Military Academy (IMA) was also foiled by the Special Cell of the Delhi Police in March this year. There are indications that LeT and Al-Badr can try to target the "Durbar Move" from Jammu to Srinagar, the summer capital, just to make their presence felt, Intelligence sources added.

Though the training camps in PoK have not stopped functioning as intercepts emanating from Muzaffarabad indicate that over 400 new recruits are waiting to enter the Valley, three-layer fencing with thermal sensors and the proactive measures by the security forces have made it really bad for the terrorist outfits, a Border Security Force (BSF) personnel posted in the Valley said. Thermal sensors can smell the body heat of infiltrators and then alert the security personnel manning the posts. Their usage has helped in reducing infiltration considerably, the officer added.

However, the agencies are facing some difficulty in mounting technical surveillance of mobile phone conversation of the militants. It has been found that they use a cash card and then discard the number. Prior to the launch of the mobile phone service in the Valley, various security agencies had expressed apprehensions about this factor and it is coming true. It is definitely creating problemsÂ

Jammu And Kasmir - Naresh - 04-29-2005

INDIA MIGHT PROPOSE EXPERT TO MONITOR BAGLIHAR FLOWS

* Observer will ensure dam used only for power generation
* Contractor says work on project not stopped <!--emo& Confused

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NEW DELHI: India might propose the appointment of a neutral expert on a long-term basis to monitor the controversial Baglihar dam to ensure that the stored water is not used for purposes other than energy generation and that Pakistan continues to get peak flow of water at all times, sources told Daily Times on Thursday.

Sources said that although work on the project would not be stopped, minor changes in the damâs design were being considered. They said that hi-tech meters would be installed to ensure that Baglihar was not used to âstealâ Pakistanâs share of water. âThe gadgets will be installed and monitored by a neutral observer or officials of the World Bank, which will again furnish the guarantee that Pakistanâs share is on board,â sources added.

Sources said that modalities were yet to be settled and indications suggested that if the World Bank appointed a neutral expert, the two sides might retain his services for a long term. On the other hand, the held Kashmir government and contractors of the Baglihar dam also denied a news report published by a Washington-based South Asia web daily that work on the project had been stopped. Both the authorities called the news âhighly speculativeâ and âmisleadingâ. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/liar.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='liar.gif' />

âWe deny reports that we have been instructed to stop the work. Some unscrupulous reporter <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/liar.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='liar.gif' /> has contacted one of our retired employees in Utter Pradesh and tried to put words in his mouth,â an official of the projectâs contractors, the Jai Prakash Industries (JPI), told Daily Times. âWe were surprised over reports that work had been stopped. It sounded strange especially because there was no such word in a meeting that discussed progress on the project just a day before,â a top official in the Kashmirâs power ministry directly associated with the project, said.

Power Minister MS Niaz told Daily Times that the Kashmir government had already spent Rs 27 billion on the project so it was impossible and also not feasible for the Indian government to stop its construction.

He said that the state government had spent Rs 1.22 billion on land compensation, raising buildings and structures, Rs 24.63 billion on civil and hydro-mechanical works, Rs 6.18 billion on electro-mechanical works, Rs 98 million on 400 KV transmission line, Rs 68 million on consultancy charges, Rs 30 million on Nashri Bypass Road, Rs 24 million on Khileni-Pul Doda Road, Rs 30.57 million on the catchments areaâs treatment and Rs 23 million on the construction of a powerhouse.

Cheers <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' />

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 04-29-2005

QUOTE(Mudy @ Apr 28 2005, 03:37 PM)
"Hello Alpha-3, it's Victor-3, Hamara bura hal hai, jaldi kuchh hathiyar aur grenades bhejo, hamare pas kuch bhi nahi hai (we are in bad shape, send some weapons and ammunition immediately, we do not have anything)". "Fikra mat karo kuchh na kuchh ho jayega (Do not worry, something will be done)".

xlation..

Victor-3 Mushy ne tumhein kaffiron ke haath bech diyaa hai. Tumharee begum ki fikar mat karo -> tumharee shaheedi ke baad Hafeez Sayeed unkoo 156789th begum banaa dengee. Tum apnee 72 hooriyon kaa intezaar karo.. <!--emo& Tongue

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Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-06-2005

Blast at Kashmir Hindu wedding kills two, wounds 17May 05, 2005, 11:45

Two teenage girls were killed and 17 people were wounded in Indian Kashmir when a bomb planted by Muslim separatists went off at a Hindu wedding, police said today. Violence in the scenic Himalayan region has eased since a peace process between India and Pakistan started 18 months ago, but sporadic attacks on civilians and security forces continue.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-11-2005

Landmine blasts kill 3 soldiers

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-12-2005

Kher to meet Kalam on Kashmiri Pandits issueQUOTEMUMBAI: A delegation led by former Censor Board chief and actor Anupam Kher would meet President A P J Abdul Kalam in New Delhi on Friday to urge him to take up the cause of Kashmiri Pandits for their return to the valley.

Kher said he had written a letter to the President urging him to use his good offices with the government to help Kashmiri Pandits in rehabilitation process in the valley as they had been "uprooted" from their homes.

Kher said, in response to his letter, Kalam had invited him to Rashtrapati Bhavan to discuss the issue and find out a solution to the vexed problem faced by Kashmiri Pandits.

Noted film maker Ashok Pandit and actor Sanjay Suri would also accompany Kher to meet the President.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-17-2005

QUOTEFatwa Wars in Kashmir
[http://www.cobrapost.com/documents/fatwawars.htm]

By Ashima Kaul in Kashmir

Spring in the Kashmir valley is seeing the Hizbul Mujahidin take guard against a "new" enemy. The militant outfit has English medium schools in its sight and has issued a "fatwa" asking for all English medium schools like the Kendriya and Sarvodaya Vidalayas along with Christian Missionary and Army schools to be shut down in the South Kashmir region, especially the belt between Achabal and
Aishmuqam in Anantnag district, theÂ political bastion of Chief Minister Mufti Mohammad Syed.

Says Hizbul in its fatwa: "These schools teach western education and un-Islamic values to the Kashmiri children. They are the agents of Yehudi and should be closed." Besides asking for the schools to close, the dictat also asks for parents to stop sending their children to these schools and the teachers to stop teaching there. "Parents from villages which are at a 10-12 kms distance from
the school like Batkot, Salarkul, Sufipora and Valgama had been telling us that there is pressure on them from militant groups to stop sending their children to the school. They shared that posters and pamphlets were circulated in the local mosques to this effect", says a teacher from Kendriya Vidyalaya, Phalgam.

In March, the Sunrise Higher Secondary School in Siligam, Kendriya Vidyalaya in Phalgam (PDP President, Mehbooba Mufti's constituency)were burnt to the ground and Al-Sarvat Senior Secondary School in Anantnag was partly burnt. The Phalgam school, started in 2003 has classes from first to seventh and caters to the needs of 200 school going children. Its three classes were functioning in a two
room rented Panchayat Ghar. The building was burnt on the night of 24th March.

"After 24th no one has come. Our session starts on 1st April and we are not sure how will we do that. We have only four rooms for seven classes", says the teacher. The parents are looking for alternatives now that the new session has started." Some children from Batkot and Valgama are going to stop sending their children to the school as they are scared", says Ghulam Hassan a parent from Phalgam.

A horse contractor during Amarnath Yatra his four children study in the Vidyalaya. Hassan shared that we received some letters asking not to send our children to the English medium school. The scare increased when apart from the school burnings one teacher Abdul Raqib Shah at the Army School, in Kundru, was shot on March 19-20 for teaching in a prohibited school." We are soon going to a
have parent-teacher meeting to decide future course of action", says Hassan. The reasons for the fatwa seem to stem from basically two factors--conversions and admission rivalry. It is being felt by some sections of the local population that some of the evangelical Christian missionary schools are actually using their faith to propagate and spread Christianity in the guise of promoting
literacy and the central schools are spreading Hinduism. Though there have been some unconfirmed reports of conversions in some pockets of the Valley, for some residents the fear is that education itself is being used for a larger, "sinister" purpose. Says Javed, a resident of Anantnag: "It is perceived that through the teachings of Bible and saying that Jesus is the only way to salvation, they are spreading their own beliefs, ideas and values in our
society. By providing cheap education, they lure the poor for admissions in their schools." But there are few educational choices in the valley in the event that the Hizbul succeeds in implementing its diktat. The only alternatives are the low charging madarssas where the quality of education is narrow and whose curricula is qualitatively inferior to the English medium schools. The only
alternative available for parents who cannot give high fee are the madrasas which are no match in terms of curricula or the quality of education imparted by the English medium schools. "The State government schools or madrasas do not offerquality education. In Central and Army schools, the teacher are dedicated and committed.

And my only concern is to provide good education to my children", opines Hassan.

The issue, however, has seized the attention of Mufti Mohammad Bashir-u-din, the Grand Mufti of Jammu and Kashmir and he has taken strong umbrage at Hizbul's diktat. Says Bashir-u-din: Conversions are a serious concern. However no one has the right or the authority to issue a fatwa other than a person designated and
appointed by the community." The Mufti has been outraged that a militant outfit has dared to issue a fatwa. In charge of the religious affairs of the State it is through the Mufti that fatwas in the state get issued.

Adds he: "Any fatwa by militant groups or anybody else who claims to be an aalim is not authentic and therefore does not hold any value or credibility. Any suspicion regarding the functioning of English medium schools should be brought to our notice. We will do a proper investigation and issue a verdict accordingly. It has to be understood that for us the most important priority is
the education and future of our children."

While the Mufti and the Hizbul engage in a clash of views, the parents are panicking for the future of their children. Says a parent in Aishmuqam, a quaint village near Phalgam: "In this globalized world when today's generation is moving ahead, we want our children to learn and know English. Then only they can
compete with others. As a parent my aim is to make my child worthy of facing the world. And in any case we do impart deeni (religious) knowledge to our children at home. They are aware of their culture and Islamic values. So to say that they will become un-islamic by studying in English schools is not right."

In fact the Principals in many schools have introduced Urdu prayers to appease the militant group.

Apart from Hizbul's stated objective in "saving" Kashmiri children from un-Islamic values, there seem to be other motives as well. According to some Anantnag residents, some "rich" public schools (those with an annual fee structure of around Rs 20,000) in order to get more students enrolled in their school have taken the help of Hizbul to intimidate other schools, which attract
more business because of their low fee structure. According to G.A Peer, Director School Education the proliferation of private schools during militancy has seemingly led to a competition between them. "Many government schools were gutted during this period and the teachers did not turn up for security reasons and frequent bands (close downs). To fill in the void, private schools
mushroomed", he says. "However", adds Peer, "This issue has been seriously taken up at the State level. Education Act 2002 was passed by the State Legislature under which we are framing prescribed fee structure and regularizing the functioning of private schools". To address the problem of quality education the State has now introduced English as a medium and added two more classes for
beginners. "We are constituting a committee to grade the schools according to the standard, facilities, programmes and faculty they will offer", announces Peer.

Apart from Hizbul's stated objective in "saving" Kashmiri children from un-Islamic values, there seem to be other motives as well. According to some Anantnag residents, some "rich" public schools (those with an annual fee structure of around Rs 20,000) in order to get more students enrolled in their school have taken the help of Hizbul to intimidate other schools, which attract
more business because of their low fee structure. According to G.A Peer, Director School Education the proliferation of private schools during militancy has seemingly led to a competition between them. "Many government schools were gutted during this period and the teachers did not turn up for security reasons and frequent bands (close downs). To fill in the void, private schools mushroomed", he says. "However", adds Peer, "This issue has been seriously taken
up at the State level. Education Act 2002 was passed by the State Legislature under which we are framing prescribed fee structure and regularizing the functioning of private schools". To address the problem of quality education the State has now introduced English as a medium and added two more classes for beginners. "We are constituting a committee to grade the schools according to
the standard, facilities, programmes and faculty they will offer", announces Peer.

Interestingly, amidst all this, it is the Lashkar group, which has come to the rescue of the people. A counter fatwa saying that the English medium schools can continue as they want their cadre and recruits to be well read. "Kashmir ki azadi ke liye har Kashmiri pada likha hona chahiye"(For the freedom of Kashmir
each and every Kashmiri should be educated) says the fatwa. Caught between the fatwa wars, a common innocent Kashmiri lives with day-to day uncertainty. In fact since militancy started in 1989-90, people have time and again had to bear fatwas and bans by militant groups. From a ban on availing family planning facilities, celebration of Urs at Sufi shrines and a diktat on dress code for
women, Kashmiris have been terrorized into accepting norms and rules against their wishes. However people through organized or collective resistance have often defied unreasonable fatwas and bans. Says an agitated parent: "The recent fatwa is about education of our children. At stake is their future. What is the government doing?

They will have to look into this issue." Till then, people hope that at least the grand mufti will issue a fatwa for continuing the education of their children and settle the controversy.

Meanwhile in Phalgam, the Assistant Commissioner, Education Officer,District Commissioner and the army has reassured the teachers and parents of rebuilding the school as soon as possible. "Even if they bomb or blast us, I will continue to send my children to the school which offers the best education", says Hassan.
"This school has been the best gift to the people of this area. We will continue. But the world must know what is happening with us", says the Vidyalaya teacher.

(Cobrapost News Features)

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-17-2005

Kashmir News Network

Jammu And Kasmir - Bharatvarsh - 05-22-2005

I just wanted to asku u ppl a question:

On an another forum there has been a discussion about Hindu Kashmiris and some of the members said that in 1947 many Muslim Kashmiris wanted to reconvert and they approached the Kashmir Maharaja. The Maharaja then consulted Benares Hindu University which refused to reconvert them, so Hindus lost a golden chance. It is said that this is also discussed in Nehru's book "Discovery of India", can any one of u tell me if this is true and if it's true can u give me some reference?

Jammu And Kasmir - acharya - 05-22-2005

This is true

Jammu And Kasmir - Bharatvarsh - 05-22-2005

acharya thanks for ur reponse is there any reference where i can read more about this, if it's in any book like Nehru's "discovery of india" give me the pg number if u know it. It seems like we are our own worst enemies, if it was a large number of Muslims then we truly lost a golden chance, now look at the result of these foolish actions (tremendous loss of life for the past 58 yrs and genocide of kashmiri pandits), when i read things like these it pisses me off to see the stupidity of some hindus.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-22-2005

QUOTEBenares Hindu University 
Was under Congress (INC) influence.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-25-2005

Pioneer
QUOTEBlast on Amarnath yatra path
Srinagar
An Improvised Explosive Device (IED) triggered off by militants blew up a bridge near Chandanwari on way to holy Amarnath cave in Pahalgam pocket of south Kashmir on Tuesday. The annual Amarnath yatra is schedule next month and more than 500,000 devotees are expected to pay their obeisance on the cave situated in the snow-clad Himalayan range. 
Mufti is back with his dirty trick to discourage extension of Yatra.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-27-2005

Desecration of Koran hits KashmirQUOTEShops, offices and educational institutions were closed in many parts of Jammu and Kashmir on Friday in response to a shutdown call to protest the alleged desecration of the Koran in a US-controlled prison in Cuba, the Guantanamo Bay
Slow and stupid reaction.

Jammu And Kasmir - Guest - 05-27-2005

QUOTE5 ultras killed in J& K 
Agencies / Jammu
In a major success, security forces have destroyed the first-ever militant training camp in Jammu and Kashmir in Doda district and killed five ultras in the operation, official sources today said.

Acting on specific information, special troopers accompanied by a police party zeroed in on a major militant training camp near the Himachal Pradesh border in Sui Patiala forests in Doda district yesterday and in the ensuing gunbattle five ultras were killed, the sources said.

One policeman, who had recieved minor injuries was hospitalised, the sources said adding, the entire militant training camp was destroyed by the troops.

This is first ever local militant training camp which has been discovered and destroyed by troops in Jammu and Kashmir, the sources said.

Five AK rifles, 9 grenades, 139 rounds of ammunition, 17 magazines, one RPG, one pika gun, one wireless communication set was recovered from the area, they said. 
Why they have started calling them Ultra?