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Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 08-01-2009 à¤à¤¨ मशà¥à¤¨à¥à¤ à¤à¥ साथ à¤à¤¸à¤¾à¤¨à¥ सॠà¤à¥à¤¡à¤¼à¤à¤¾à¤¡à¤¼ à¤à¤¿à¤ à¤à¤¾à¤¨à¥ à¤à¤° à¤à¤¨à¥à¤¹à¥à¤ à¤à¥ पढ़à¥à¤ * वरà¥à¤£ à¤à¥ à¤à¥à¤¡ सिà¤à¥à¤¯à¥à¤°à¤¿à¤à¥ à¤à¥ ठपà¥à¤² सरà¤à¤¾à¤° नॠठà¥à¤à¤°à¤¾à¤ * शà¥à¤à¤°à¥à¤ à¤à¥ à¤à¤¿à¤°à¤«à¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤°à¥ à¤à¥ बाद वरà¥à¤£ à¤à¥ सà¥à¤°à¤à¥à¤·à¤¾ बढ़ानॠमाà¤à¤ * वरà¥à¤£ à¤à¤¾à¤à¤§à¥ à¤à¥ निरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤à¤¨ à¤à¥ à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤ मà¥à¤ à¤à¥à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¥ * वरà¥à¤£ à¤à¥ à¤à¤¾à¤·à¤£ पर ठसमà¤à¤à¤¸ * सà¥à¤¡à¥ सॠनहà¥à¤ हà¥à¤ à¤à¥à¤¡à¤¼à¤à¤¾à¤¡à¤¼, à¤à¤µà¤¾à¤ वरà¥à¤£ à¤à¥ हà¥? à¤à¤° सà¥à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤à¤¼ पढ़नॠà¤à¥ लिठयहाठà¤à¥à¤²à¤¿à¤ à¤à¤°à¥à¤ वà¥à¤à¤¿à¤à¤ à¤à¥ दà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¨ à¤à¤¡à¤¼à¤¬à¤¡à¤¼à¥ हà¥à¤¨à¥ à¤à¤¾ तरà¥à¤ दà¥à¤¤à¥ हà¥à¤ सà¥à¤ªà¥à¤°à¥à¤® à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤ सहित मदà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸ हाठà¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤, बà¥à¤®à¥à¤¬à¥ हाठà¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤ à¤à¤° मधà¥à¤¯ पà¥à¤°à¤¦à¥à¤¶ हाठà¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤ मà¥à¤ याà¤à¤¿à¤à¤¾à¤à¤ डालॠà¤à¤ थà¥à¤à¥¤ सà¥à¤ªà¥à¤°à¥à¤® à¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤ नॠà¤à¤¸à¥ à¤à¤ याà¤à¤¿à¤à¤¾ à¤à¤¾ निपà¤à¤¾à¤¨ à¤à¤°à¤¤à¥ हà¥à¤ याà¤à¤¿à¤à¤¾à¤à¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤à¤ à¤à¥ निरà¥à¤¦à¥à¤¶ दिया à¤à¤¿ वह à¤à¥à¤¨à¤¾à¤µ à¤à¤¯à¥à¤ à¤à¥ पास à¤à¤¾à¤à¤° ठपनॠशà¤à¤à¤¾à¤à¤ दà¥à¤° à¤à¤°à¥à¤à¥¤ à¤à¤¯à¥à¤ नॠà¤à¤¸à¥ पà¥à¤·à¥à¤ à¤à¥à¤®à¤¿ मà¥à¤ सà¤à¥ याà¤à¤¿à¤à¤¾à¤à¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤à¤ व सà¤à¤¦à¥à¤¹ à¤à¤¤à¤¾à¤¨à¥ वालॠराà¤à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¤¿à¤ दलà¥à¤ à¤à¥ ठपनॠशà¤à¤à¤¾à¤à¤ à¤à¤à¤à¥à¤¨à¤¿à¤¯à¤°à¥à¤ à¤à¥ à¤à¤ªà¤¸à¥à¤¥à¤¿à¤¤à¤¿ मà¥à¤ à¤à¤¾à¤¹à¤¿à¤° à¤à¤°à¤¨à¥ à¤à¥ लिठà¤à¤®à¤à¤¤à¥à¤°à¤¿à¤¤ à¤à¤¿à¤¯à¤¾ हà¥à¥¤ http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4846238.cms min translation: EC has invited all concerned parties opposing the use of EVMs to prove their view point in front of manufacturers and their engineers. 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Giving this clarification in a statement, attached with an article on how students of Rice University in Houston were learning hands-on just how easy it was to wreak havoc on software programmes used in the EVMs, Jayalalithaa on Wednesday said: âThis should come as an eye-opener not only to the Election Commission of India and the judiciary but also to the voting public. In a democracy, every voter should know whether the vote cast has gone to the candidate or the party it was meant for. In the absence of such a certainty, the entire democratic process will be rendered a mockery. It is to ensure that democracy, in its true sense, is brought back that the AIADMK decided to boycott by-election to five Assembly constituencies in Tamil Nadu.â http://www.dailypioneer.com/194075/EVMs-re...ycott-Jaya.html Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 08-09-2009 <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> The EC issued a detailed 2,000-word press statement late on Saturday night in which is assured the nation â⦠the commission once again completely reaffirms its faith in the infallibility of the EVMs. These are fully tamper-proof, as everâ. It went on to say what has been demonstrated or claimed to have been demonstrated is on a privately assembled âlook-alike of EVMsâ and not the actual EVMâs owned by the commissionâ. The commission had invited the claimants so that there is not even an iota of doubt about any aspect of the EVMâs operation. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090809/main6.htm eti siddham = Q.E.D. End of discussion Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - dhu - 08-09-2009 Electronic Voting Machines are not fair, not transparent, have no voter verifiable audit trails * * * SPECIAL REPORT | Anupam Saraph and Madhav Nalapat (6 Aug. 2009) DONâT BANK ON EVMS Were the results of some Lok Sabha constituencies decided even before polling? While tracking the lok Sabha elections of 2009 we stumbled upon startling versions of a file on polling information on the Election Commission of Indiaâs [ECI] website. We were tracking candidate information from an Excel spreadsheet titled âCandidateACâ, which was downloadable from the ECIâs website. The âCandidateACâ spreadsheet has a column for âvotes polledâ. As one would expect, this file when downloaded on 16 April [the first day of polling] and 24 April did not contain any information on votes polled. The file, when downloaded on 6 May, 7 May and 11 May, had coded the candidate name, party name and the number of votes polled [check footnotes 1-5]. The last phase of polling took place on 13 May and, officially, the votes were counted and results declared on 16 May. This information could have changed in three possible ways: 1. Someone had hacked the file. 2. The data from various EVMs had been uploaded to the private database, and this was used to create the public file. 3. Someone who had access to the private database had actually added the data. The first possibility is serious, as it implies that the databases hosted by the ECI are not secure and can be compromised. The second is a violation of the ECIâs rule that no counting was to begin till 16 May. It also constitutes a breach of security, as the EVMs were supposed to be in safe custody in a strong room of the DEO [district election officer]. The third would imply that the election results were being decided by whoever had access to the private database. If the results were to be read only from the EVMs, why was a coded spreadsheet prepared? How could this spreadsheet have the data on âvotes polledâ? Check the file downloaded on 15 May. Surprisingly, it does not have any information on âvotes polledâ. More surprisingly, after the media raised the issue on 15 July, the link to the file disappeared from the ECI website. Sceptics might say that the coded data containing information on the votes polled was test or dummy data. If so, why was this test or dummy data prepared? What was being tested? How was this test data generated? What were the results of the tests? Why was the data generated after the first three phases of polling, but before the fourth and fifth phases? Why was the data removed when there was no intention of loading real data into the file? Why was the dummy data coded? How do 108 winning candidates in the dummy data match the eventual winners? When the implications are so serious, why has the ECI not clarified the issue despite repeated requests, or constituted a panel to initiate reforms to make the process less vulnerable to such serious implications? EVMs, like all technology, can be hacked. Hacked EVMs can have Trojan Horses or programs with instructions to receive a coded spreadsheet and translate them into results. It is possible for such spreadsheets to actually prepare a predetermined result. If your bank publishes your account details and claims it is dummy data, will you let them manage your money? To ensure that such manipulations do not ruin our democracy what must the EVMs have? They must be built to leave a transaction trail auditable by anyone in case there is a dispute. To create such transaction trails, every vote cast on every EVM must be distinguishable from votes that might be cast by a Trojan. In the Indian system, the electronic votes are not recorded to indicate that they belong to a particular voter. Imagine a situation where you cannot track the money in a bank account as money deposited through a source: Someone, by gaining access to your account on the bankâs computer deposits an unlimited amount of money or withdraws whatever you have deposited, but you do not have the resources to trace that money or have a third party audit the bankâs books. That is why leaving a transaction trail is important in any audit process. Now imagine a candidate having an âaccountâ in an EVM. Unless there is a mechanism to track every transaction as an inflow or outflow of votes from a legitimate source, there is no transaction trail and no ability to audit the actual vote balance in the candidateâs account. The votes cast by the voters are indistinguishable from those cast by a Trojan software or hardware. This is a very serious design lapse, and renders the EVMs completely useless for carrying out a costly democratic process. Will you trust your money with a bank that cannot track your accountâs transactions? The current EVM system banks on faith, not on the accounting of votes â the faith of the voter in the honesty, integrity and fidelity of the EVMs, the people involved and in the process. Will you switch to a faith-based banking system when it comes to your money? If the system is not faith-based, why not simply give the EVMs â like telephones â to electronic voting booths [EVBs] â like the STD-ISD booths â for anyone to run? Give everyone a week to vote and then collect the votes as you would collect the coins? The manuals prepared for the chief election officer, district election officer, observers, polling agents, presiding officers, returning officers, candidates and counting agents show that the ECI gives little focus on building trustworthy databases, or on building good accounting practices and clean auditable systems that anyone other than they themselves can audit. Will the RBI permit financial institutions that cannot maintain basic records, or cannot be audited by third parties, to function? Imagine a situation where you deposit your money in your account without getting any acknowledgement of your transaction specifying your account. In case there is a dispute, will you be able to claim that you had deposited the money into that account? When you deposit a vote for your candidate, do you get any acknowledgement about your deposit that you can use in a dispute? Is there any way that you can check later that your vote has been counted? Will you trust your money with a bank that does not give you a passbook or a statement of your deposits and withdrawals? What makes you trust the EVM with your liberty, and with your money that funds these elections? Finally, imagine a situation where your bank issues statements in which the number of depositors varies from statement to statement, as well as the deposits made. How comfortable does that make you about your bank? Managing the democratic process of voting requires a database of voters, of candidates, constituencies and of votes deposited in a candidateâs account by legitimate voters. The votersâ banker, the ECI, has failed not just to track its depositors â the voters â but also how many votes they have deposited. Public databases maintained by the ECI indicate that the elections of 2009 had 716,676,063 or 714,103,070 or 713,776,525 voters [check footnotes 6-8]. As for the number of votes polled in these elections, the figure was either 417,158,644 or 417,156,922 [check footnotes 9-10]. Evidently, there is much the ECI can do to reform its technology [¼] Dr Anupam Saraph, an IT and governance expert, has created the worldâs first governance wiki at giki.wikia.com Professor Madhav Nalapat holds the UNESCO Peace Chair and is Director of the Department of Geopolitics at Manipal University FOOTNOTES 1. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15676183/CandidateAC.xlsdownloaded on 16 April 2009 2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15676724/Candida...1.xlsdownloaded on 24 April 2009 3. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15676840/Candida...2.xlsdownloaded on 6 May 2009 4. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15676045/Candida...4.xlsdownloaded on 7 May 2009 5. http://www.scribd.com/doc/15676489/Candida...5.xlsdownloaded on 11 May 2009 6. 716,676,063 according to http://eci.nic.in/Analysis/ Voter Turnout 7. 714,103,070 according to http://eci.nic.in/eroll&epic/ERoll2009.pdf 8. 713,776,525 according to http://eci.nic.in/Analysis/ Electors Information 9. 417,158,644 according to http://eci.nic.in/Analysis/ Voter Turnout 10. 417,156,922 according to http://eci.nic.in/Analysis/ All Candidates Votes Polled http://www.covertmagazine.com/anupham.htm http://sites.google.com/site/hindunew/elec...voting-machines Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 09-06-2009 <!--emo&:whistle--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='whistle.gif' /><!--endemo--> The best solution is a combination of technology and paper. Most of our population will never ever be comfortable with technology. So no matter what security experts may say about the security of EVMs, the vast majority of our citizens will have a lingering doubt. Hence, we believe that each time we cast our vote, a small printer connected to the EVM also prints out the vote, not the name of the candidate but the number of the candidate in different languages. This would make the design of the system much simpler as the EVM per se does not know the name of the candidate. The person who is voting can obtain a physical confirmation that the machine printed the number of the button he or she pressed and then this ballot paper can be placed in the ballot box and sealed. A physical counting of votes can only be ordered by a court of law. This process may increase the cost of the election process, waste more paper, be environment unfriendly but we believe it will set all nay sayers to rest. We will get the best of both worlds. This is why no country in the world relies on just an electronic system simply because people do not believe that the EVM got their vote right. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/evms-the...lation/512964/0 Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Guest - 10-16-2009 Tampering EVMs â Some references EVM Tampering Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Guest - 10-18-2009 EVM tampering in Arunachal elections <b>Watch the youtube video below</b> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F0UHrBWaHM...layer_embedded# Repoll was ordered in two polling stations in otherwise peaceful Ziro. Reason - tampering of electronic voting machine which was started in India with much fanfare some years back. The demonstrated tampering on a 1min. 18 sec video, is simple and dramatic. The sequence in which the four candidates were listed on EC documents were modified on the EVM polling unit. BJP-TMC candidates sequence was switched; INC-NCP candidates sequence was switched. IntenT? Simply to register BJP votes to TMC and vice-versa and INC Votes to NCP and vice-versa. Did a similar switch take place during the Lok Sabha Elections in, say, select 100+ constituencies? If so, the EC should be made accountable in HC/SC to stop using the EVMs in future polls, until a proper audit trail is put in place and controls as in the case of ATMs of Banks. Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Husky - 02-11-2010 http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/02/intl-conf-on-evms-at-iit-chennai-13-feb.html Quote:Intl. Conf. on EVMs at IIT, Chennai, 13 Feb. 2010, 6:30 to 8:30 PMRest at link. Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - ramana - 02-23-2010 Pioneer Op-ed, 23 Feb 2010 SOURCE Quote:EDITS | Tuesday, February 23, 2010 | Email | Print | To me the most intriguing part is all the parties complain of EVM fraud. If so who accomplishes the fraud- the chip maker? Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - ajay jagga - 02-26-2010 ââ¬ËEVMs illegally being used for a decadeââ¬â¢- AJAY JAGGA, Lawyer-India Sanjay Sharma, TNN, Feb 22, 2010, 03.44am IST CHANDIGARH: The electronic voting machines (EVMs) are being used in violation of the Information Technology Act 2000, a research paper has revealed. Author of the research paper, advocate Ajay Jagga, told The Times of India, on Sunday that as per IT Act, 2000, a verifiable audit trail has to be provided in case of any electronic record, which is now admissible as evidence as per Evidence Act but in case of electronic voting, the voter does not get any receipt with regard to his voting. The research paper recently attracted the attention of experts when a conference on ââ¬ÅEVMs: How trustworthy?ââ¬Â in Chennai passed a unanimous resolution on February 13 asking Jagga to approach the Election Commission of India (ECI) for bringing the electronic voting procedure in tune with IT Act, 2000. Jagga said he would soon approach ECI seeking formation of legal committee to remove the illegality or will knock the doors of court. The lawyer said, ââ¬ÅUnless the voter gets a receipt like the one we get in ATM or after the use of debit or credit cards, all electronic transactions including a vote, are illegal.ââ¬Â What is the evidence that the vote cast has really been recorded and that it has been recorded in the manner the voter intended, he asked. For the purpose and to protect the secrecy of ballot, all such receipts, after the voter has checked his transaction, should be put in a box which should remain with ECI to be produced as evidence in case of a dispute, he said. The government amended the relevant laws in 1989 to equate EVM with ballot and ballot box to facilitate transition from ballot paper to EVM but the IT Act 2000 created a new complication that has to be immediately resolved in the interest of fairness of things, Jagga pointed out. The lawyer also proved that the machine can be tampered with which has been accepted by the government itself in its letter to withdraw patent applications filed by Electronics Corporation of India and Bharat Electronics Ltd, makers of the machine. The PSUs withdrew their patent applications on the ground that the machine may not be tamper-proof, he said, adding that America and Germany had to return to ballot paper after their machines were found wanting. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/EVMs-illegally-being-used-for-a-decade/articleshow/5601297.cms Linked on USA Today 23 Feb. 2010 Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 04-16-2010 Renowned psephologist (election analyst) GVL Narasimha Rao has written an excellent book "Democracy at Risk", about rigging via electronic voting machines. This book can now be downloaded from http://www.indianevm.com/book_democracy_at_risk_2010.pdf Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 05-03-2010 Here is precise and concise version of the same, I guess?: http://indiaevm.org/evm_tr2010.pdf Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Husky - 05-04-2010 Set of articles on why EVMs are insecure and ought to be scrapped 1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/indian-evms-insecure-scrap-them-order.html Quote:Sunday, May 02, 2010Actual articles are at the link. About the line "i believe this is how demagogues have come to power in the past (example hitler)." Hitler was willingly *voted* in: he got the nation's catholics to vote for him, because the catholic church told them to vote unanimously for the NSDAP - the nazi party. Hitler was Vatican's best buddy after all, complete with mutually-benefitting treaty and all. http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2c.htm#Ratzinger Quote:Another significant instance of a Pope intervening in the politics of another country and its governance: 2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/evm-tampering-video.html Quote:EVM tampering video - There's a reason it's a good thing to study history: because christianism likes repeating its success stories. And christianism knows that the less a new unsuspecting heathen populace knows about christianism's operating pattern, the better it is for christianism's chance of success. - There's a reason for why that converted Chinese Empress baptised her son Constantine and renamed herself as Helena. http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4c.htm Quote:From Chapter 17 - Early History of Catholic Power in Siam and China, of the book Vietnam: Why did we go? by Avro Manhattan: Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - ramana - 05-07-2010 Politics party site, an INC supporter is also calling for EVM paper trail. There ae constant suprises even to INC leadership indicating the EC is playing God. EC = babudom. Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 05-21-2010 http://www.indiatimes.com/photostory/5954244.cms American scientists 'hack' into Indian voting machines Indian electronic voting machines (EVMs) - considered to be among the world's most tamperproof - can be hacked, American scientists claim. Researchers at the University of Michigan connected a home-made device to a voting machine and successfully changed results by sending text messages from a mobile. Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 06-06-2010 ââ¬ÅI would not like to name the private manufacturers. But one of them is behind the latest move,ââ¬Â he said to a question on a recent research by a professor of the University of Michigan and his students on an EVM look-alike, which could be wirelessly hacked. http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/06/stories/2010060650900100.htm Mr. Chawla said the machines used in the study were not originals. ââ¬â PTI Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Capt M Kumar - 08-25-2010 You say that EVMs can actually be tampered with Yes. It is a machine and any machine can be tampered with. No machine is foolproof. India is land with a great deal of corruption. Politicians can lay their hands on some experts and get a machine tampered with. We have conducted a lot of study into this and realised that is very easy to manipulate the election process in India. But the general argument is that the EVM has done away with booth capturing. I agree. But then if there is booth capturing, one is aware that something of this sort has happened and action can initiated. Electronic tampering can be done on a large scale and no one ever comes to know about it. This is what we are trying to demonstrate. There is absolutely no transparency when it comes to EVMs. http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/aug/24/hari-prasad-is-a-hero-not-a-thief.htm Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - ramana - 08-26-2010 EVM Tampering paper www.indiaevm.org/evm_tr2010.pdf Evm: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much - Guest - 08-26-2010 [url="http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/aug/25/slide-show-1-how-indias-evms-could-be-manipulated.htm"]How India's EVMs could be manipulated[/url] |