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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

Close the door on Jihadi Terrorism: Lessons from the Mumbai Blasts
By Dr. Babu Suseelan

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

QUOTEThis is the MINIMUM Indians should demand from their elected leaders

Donât expect even minimum from appointed PM.
They had not stopped back door diplomacy.

They should stop water to Pakistan. This should be first step.
But blaming Pakistan only and ignoring in-house jihadi is a biggest blunder.
We should not trust news from HT or TOI. Wait for couple of more days. Difficult to identify which news are paid.
At this moment GOI want to divert attention to external party, so that they can keep appeasing Jihadis in India for votes.

Donât expect even minimum from appointed PM.. I am not!

They should stop water to Pakistan. This should be first step.

Not a wise move, in my opinion. Will provide the perfect cover for Pakistan to paint India as the bad guy - choking off life-saving water supply and all! And shutting off water supply is a bit distracting!

Better is to cut-off diplomatic relations and put notice that India will wait for a Paki leader elected in a free and fair election to start dialogue. Will hasten Musharraf's demise and as a lame duck General-Presidente, India would have put into a process for an ignomous removal of Musharraf from Pakistani politics. Also, remember, this Indian option would perhaps be most palatable option Americans and others can accept and live with. Codi Rice's recent statements of free and fair elections in Pakistan gives credence to my position.

At this moment GOI want to divert attention to external party, so that they can keep appeasing Jihadis in India for votes

Founthead is STILL Pakistan. Squeeze Pakistan and managing Indian jehadis becomes so much easier.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

QUOTEFounthead is STILL Pakistan
Not anymore. Now it is everywhere. Bangladesh, Maladives, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Malayasia.....

There is no need to announce but keep tap on and off. Let these scum suffer.
But first step should be fix jihadi inside India.
Let me tell you, till now 6-7 guys of Indian origin Muslim were directly involved in terrorism outside India.
Without checking menace in India, in future we may be tagged along Pakistani.

GOI need to fix it now. But after hearing moron singh speech, I don't see anything will change. He is not a leader and even at this sad moment he can't lead country.
He should join as a consultant in ACLU.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

PM keeps pressure on Pak, leaves door ajar for conditional talks

Here you go, ashes are not yet cold and moron singh is ready for talk. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

and someone left a comment below . Enjoy it.
QUOTEPM talks
sir, when we thought this PM was being made ineffective ,by sonia gandhi.... we just are tempted now to believe....HE HIMSELF IS JUST THAT WAY !!!!!!!!!! HIS SPEACHES...NOT JUST INDIA BUT ALL THE COUNTRIES AND THE TERRORISTS... LAUGH LIKE HELL.... AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE ---"" TRAGIC ILLUSION OF FAKE GREATNESS""

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

QUOTEFounthead is STILL Pakistan

Not anymore. Now it is everywhere. Bangladesh, Maladives, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Malayasia.....

At least in the Indian context, I still maintain that Pakistan is the spigot which needs to be shut-off. Achieve that, and regional jehadis can be managed.

Another out-of-the-box thinking:

It seems Israel does not want to escalate the current crisis in the ME, provided the soldiers are returned and Hezbollah is disarmed and retreats. There are also reports coming out that Israel and Lebanon may accept international peacekeepers to defuse the situation.

Chance for India to play an extremely strategic game. I think it would be stroke of genius for GOI to place 20-25K Indian peacekeeping troops between the borders of Israel and Lebanon (they have had previous experience under UN). The Indian troops should be acceptable to both sides. Politically, the GOI should receive the support of most Indians (seculars, BJP, IM, Commies?) as this move should be seen as bringing peace to "muslims" in Lebanon from the Israelis (most important: it has NOTHING to do with the USA - a pet peeve of commies and sections of IM!).

MMS/GOI should offer this to the G8 in Russia. India's price: For securing peace and bringing stability in the ME, the world will gladly allow India to clean its own stable in the region as well as UN will invite India as a permanent UN security council member with Mr. Sashi Tharoor as the First Indian UN Secretary General.

GO FOR IT INDIA!

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

QUOTETerror in times of political correctness
Tavleen Singh
Posted online: Sunday, July 16, 2006
**It has long been my view that political correctness is dangerous and usually harms those people and ideas it seeks in a muddled liberal fashion to protect. But, even as someone who holds this view, I was astounded at the insane political correctness we saw in the response of the political class and most of the media to last week's ghastly bombings in Mumbai.

The issue is terrorism. Right? The issue is the terrible, needless deaths of 200 people and the awful tragedy of those who will forever be scarred by the murderous act of a handful of evil men. Right? The issue is the failure of our intelligence agencies and our criminal justice system and the inability of our government to understand that terrorism is undeclared war. Right?
The issue is India's security in which both Hindus and Muslims have an equal stake. Right?

Yet, if you watched television coverage of the carnage on Mumbai's trains, read your newspapers or listened to the speeches of our political leaders, you would think that the only issue was to not hurt Muslim feelings.

There were no communal riots after the 1993 Mumbai bombings or after the attacks on temples in Ahmedabad, Ayodhya and Varanasi but there was more talk of communal harmony than terrorism. Hardly anybody mentioned the words 'jehad' or 'jehadi' or that Islamist terrorist organisations openly talk of
their 'jehad' against Hindu India. Some journalists dared to mention that Pakistan was almost certainly behind the attack but our political leaders only did this after the Pakistani Foreign Minister was insensitive and shameless enough to say that terrorism would continue until there was a solution in Kashmir. Then, there was a sort of reaction from our External Affairs Ministry.

This wishy-washy, uncertain, irresolute response to a horrific event was inspired, it appears, to protect Muslim sentiments and calm Hindu anger but by doing this what was achieved was the impression that all Muslims are supporters of radical Islam. And, even more dangerously, the impression that all Indian Muslims in their heart support Pakistan against India. What was also achieved was licence for sectarian political leaders like Mulayam Singh Yadav to come out in open support of SIMI, which is not just a rabidly jehadi outfit but has direct links to jehadi groups in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The Students' Islamic Movement of India has, according to terrorism experts in the Institute for Conflict Management, been directly involved in terrorist acts like the bombing of the Sankatmochan Temple in Varanasi and the attack on the Shramjeevi Express near Jaunpur. But, according to the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh, SIMI is a fine organisation with a few bad eggs. How weird is that?

SIMI is a jehadi organisation that has been recruiting misguided young Muslims for its murderous jehad in states across India. Despite being banned by the Supreme Court since September 27, 2001, it manages to function covertly in states across India but particularly in Uttar Pradesh, Kerala and Maharashtra. But, Mulayam Singh's support for them comes not from political correctness but from political calculation and it's the former we need to talk about.

Political correctness caused the print media, a couple of decades ago, to come up with a code for reporting communal riots whereby the names of communities involved in an ethnic clash were to be concealed by saying ''members of a particular community''. Over the years this code has deteriorated into a code that only means Muslim. So, if the Bajrang Dal had burned alive those two policemen in Bhiwandi two weeks ago, we would have identified them happily as murderous thugs. But, because it was a Muslim mob that killed the unfortunate policemen, most newspapers chose either to downplay the killings or identify the killers as ''members of a community''.

When a few days later Shiv Sena thugs took to Mumbai's streets to burn buses and close shops because the late Mrs Thackeray's statue had allegedly been muddied long discussions were held on television to condemn vandalism and destruction of public property. Was there one discussion on the killing of the policemen? Does this kind of political correctness protect Muslims or target them?

There is a jehad being waged against India by Islamists. This jehad has the support of the governments of Pakistan and Bangladesh and the reason why India is losing the fight is because our leaders do not have the political will to order our security forces to fight more than a defensive war. On the public relations front the jehadis are winning because we in the media are too politically correct to either investigate or publicise the local links that the Islamists have. This is not just political correctness gone mad, it is a betrayal of the thousands of Indians who have died at the hands of terrorists.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

G-8, outreach nations outraged at Mumbai blasts
Source: PTI. Image Source: AFP
St. Petersburg, July 17: Leaders attending the Summit of the world's top industrialised countries today deplored the Mumbai blasts and said they were united with India in their resolve to intensify efforts to fight terrorism.

"We are outraged by the barbaric terrorist acts, carried out in Mumbai and other parts of India. We stand in solidarity with the Government and the people of India and express our deepest condolences to the victims and their families," the leaders of the G-8 and outreach countries including Brazil, China, Mexico and South Africa, said.

The leaders said they were united with India in their resolve to intensify efforts to fight terrorism which constitutes a threat to all countries, as well as to international peace and security.
"We are determined to continue the fight against terrorism by all legitimate means. We express our readiness to undertake all necessary measures to bring to justice perpetrators, organizers, sponsors of these and other terrorist acts, and those who incited the perpetrators to commit them.

"We shall do it in accordance with our obligations under international law, in particular international human rights law, refugee law and humanitarian law," the world leaders said on the concluding day of St. Petersburg summit of the world's eight most industrialised nations.

The statement was also signed by Chairman of the Council of the Heads of State of the CIS, Chairman of the African Union, and the Heads of International Organizations including UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

RDX used in Mumbai blasts: PoliceQUOTEThe Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) in Mumbai on Monday said forensic reports have revealed the use of RDX, ammonium nitrate and fuel oil in the seven blasts that rocked commuter trains on July 11.

ATS chief K P Raghuvanshi told reporters that traces of explosives found at the blast sites were very small in quantity and forensic experts had taken time to anaylse them.
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Again change of story.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

12 hours since my last post suggesting that the GOI should deploy Indian troops along the Israel-Lebanon border, Russia's Putin has stepped forward by offering to place Russian troops as part of the peacekeeping force.

The USA may not look too kindly to this Russian gesture. I still maintain that India is the most non-controversial country which will be acceptable to all parties and India can gain tremendous stretegic advantages by offering its troops.

QUOTEJul 17 8:14 AM US/Eastern
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"So far there is no decision yet on sending peacekeeping troops. When there will be a decision we will consider whether to take part,"Â Â http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/17/D8ITNUSG8.html

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

How about some troops at Mahim, Bandra, Matunga, Borivili, Mira Road, Jogeshwari and Khar railway stations first? Or along the TSP border? Can't we clean our house before setting someone elses? Blaming TSP or whoever for blasts and US or anyone in West for not listening to our constant wail is getting pretty old.

Ever since current nincompoops came into power they have undermined every institution and lost ground on every gain made by previous government. Be it, repealing POTA, making peace with Naxals, soft borders with neighbours, alienating natural allies like Israel, demoralizing army with community count, reservations to divide Indians amongst themselves - the list is long.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

QUOTE(Reggie @ Jul 17 2006, 12:32 PM)12 hours since my last post suggesting that the GOI should deploy Indian troops along the Israel-Lebanon border, Russia's Putin has stepped forward by offering to place Russian troops as part of the peacekeeping force.

The USA may not look too kindly to this Russian gesture.Â I still maintain that India is the most non-controversial country which will be acceptable to all parties and India can gain tremendous stretegic advantages by offering its troops.



Reggie,

What exactly would the peacekeeping troops do on the Israel-Lebanon border? Hizbullah's islamic terrorists in Lebanon are using rocket launchers to bomb deep into Israel. Israel is arial bombing the Lebanese locations that it suspects of rocket launching sites. What will peacekeepers at the border do other than preventing Israel from counter attacking? They can count the number of rockets being launched and tally the dead against each bomb.

Israel wants these terrorists to stop the bombing and are smart enough to understand that no peacekeepers can stop muslims from being terrorists.

You are suggesting that india deploy its troops in Israel-Lebanon to gain some brownie points by "bringing peace to "muslims" in Lebanon from the Israelis". Yeah, that would do it... protect the terrorists from the victims of terrorism! So in addition to appeasing indian muslims, GOI should go international and appease muslims all around the world? What next? Hajj subsidies for Malaysian muslims?

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-17-2006

Modi slams PM on POTA at rallyQUOTEâThe Prime Minister should know that despite POTA, the Akshardham incident happened," Modi said.

"Yet, because of POTA, people guilty for Akshardham were sentenced to death,â he added.

âIn Mumbai, we have been fighting the case for 14 years, without a clue of who is guilty,â he said.

I just finished hearning his thunder speech which was blackout by every Indian channel. I will try to locate audio file. Excellent speech.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-18-2006

Police raid Muslim slums in bomb probe
Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:04 PM IST15
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By Krittivas Mukherjee

MUMBAI (Reuters) - Police officers scoured Mumbai's slums and largely Muslim ghettos on Monday, looking for suspects in last week's railway network bombings and pursuing several leads.

Hundreds of people, mostly minority Muslims, have been questioned and dozens detained since the July 11 blasts on crowded commuter trains and platforms that killed 181 people and wounded hundreds.

But no formal arrests have been made so far in the incident that has set back a budding rapprochement between nuclear-armed rivals India and Islamic neighbour Pakistan.

On Sunday, central and state government officials said investigations were making good progress, but on Monday a senior officer involved in the probe was more cautious.

"There are leads. Some are still being pursued; some have yielded no results," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"The raids will continue. Muslim-dominated areas are under our scanner."

Police in Mumbai believe Indian Muslims could have carried out the bombings, possibly members or former members of the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), banned in 2001 for allegedly trying to stir up religious unrest over the U.S.-led war on terror.

But officials suspect the attacks may have been organised by the Pakistan-based Islamist militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba or even by members of Pakistan's military spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

An angry New Delhi has put off peace talks with Islamabad, saying Pakistan was not doing enough to stop the activities of anti-India militants on its soil. Islamabad has denied any connection with the bombings.

Media reports said two men, of Pakistani or Kashmiri origin, had been arrested in Nepal and handed over to Indian authorities. But Nepali and Indian police denied the reports. "We think someone beyond the borders could have been involved," K.P. Raghusvanshi, Mumbai's anti-terrorism squad chief, told reporters.

"A lot of people are within the scope of investigation. But local participation is bound to be there when such a big thing happens."

Six days after the string blasts, police confirmed that a concoction of RDX, a powerful plastic explosive, ammonium nitrate and fuel oil had been used to cause the explosions.

MORE ATTACKS?

President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam visits Mumbai on Monday to meet those wounded in the seven rail explosions.

Lashkar has long operated in troubled Indian-ruled Kashmir, but is believed to have expanded its area of operations. The group has denied any role in the blasts.

Though no breakthrough has been announced or anybody named, Indian media published photographs of two people they said were among the leading suspects and who had fled the country.

Police said they were also scanning people who had returned from the Persian Gulf region in the recent past.

"Investigations proceed in many directions. We can't give you details of those now," Mumbai police chief A.N. Roy said.

On Sunday, officials had said they expected a breakthrough in investigations within a week.

Police said they were also probing an e-mail sent to an Indian TV channel from a group calling itself "Laskhar-e-Qahhar", claiming it was behind the attacks. The group said it was "associated" with al Qaeda.

In the e-mail, it said the attacks were reprisals for Indian rule in Kashmir and the 2002 riots in Gujarat where over 2,500 people were killed, mostly Muslims, human rights groups say.
The count from 1000 has increased to 2500 just like that.

But as police rounded up Muslims, the chief cleric of India's biggest mosque in New Delhi, Ahmed Bukhari, said the authorities were not being impartial.

"In the wake of the Mumbai blasts, innocent Muslims are being harassed," he said in his speech to the congregation after prayers on Monday evening.

"The needle of suspicion is falling on innocent Muslims and police are taking them away without any proof. The real culprits are going scot-free. I can say with conviction no Muslim can be behind the Mumbai blasts."

(Additional reporting by Nigam Prusty in NEW DELHI)

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006

acharya,

Mudy Investigation Agency had informed all moron media, they are dud and they can hire me when they need some IQ.
That email was sent by some joker who is everywhere.

Here is report

The Fighters and the Freeloaders -QUOTEBefore things can turn a corner in the Middle East, we need the diplomatic equivalent of electric-shock therapy. We may need $100 oil to jolt the Europeans and the Chinese. We may need the Russians to be told that they can forget joining the World Trade Organization. And we're going to need something dramatic to reward India, whose response to terrorism last week was exemplary.

The India-Israel comparison is startling. Lebanon-based Hezbollah terrorists shower rockets on Northern Israel and carry out a raid that inflicts eight deaths and two abductions. Israel justifiably responds by bombing the headquarters of the Hezbollah leader, but it also rains fire on Beirut's airport, roads and apartment towers, destroying the props of a new and hopeful Lebanon.

India's response? No reprisals, no bombings. No threat to cut off diplomatic communications with Pakistan and no massing of troops on the India-Pakistan border. Instead, the Indians tell Pakistan that a forthcoming meeting of foreign ministers must be postponed. And they seek support from the Bush administration and the United Nations to get Pakistan to clamp down on the terrorists.
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Indians are sitting duck ruled by Hijras. Yes, anyone can give them hafta based on street rate.
P.S. Sorry, no intention to insult Hijras.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006

Train bombers 'funded by British businessmen'QUOTEIndian officials claim that bogus charities are sending Â£8m to Kashmiri terror groups 

SOME of the main fundraisers for the terror group suspected of masterminding the Bombay train bombings are operating from Britain, according to Indian intelligence officials.
The officials accuse Britain of failing to act against a number of wealthy businessmen, who they claim are using bogus charities to funnel up to Â£8 million a year to Kashmiri militants groups, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, which remains the main suspect for orchestrating the synchronised bombings that killed 182 people.
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One of those identified in the dossier is reported to be a Pakistan-born multimillionaire businessman who owns at least two luxury homes in London

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006

x-post

GoI's war on terror.. block websites !!!!

India blocks Blogger, TypeAd and Geocities blogs and websites
QUOTEThe Indian Government has issued an order to all Indian ISPs for a ban on various blogging sites. While no official release has been made on this front, the reasons being attributed to this ban range from it being a preventive measure to stop sleeper terrorist cells from accessing instructions contained in blogs, to a new measure to try and control the spread of information through blogs. The order was issued by Department of Telecommunications (DoT). The known list of blocked domains is *.blogspot.com, *.typepad.com and geocities.com/*.

It leads me to wonder if this is a case of ISPs overreacting, which would not be the first. Three years ago, they had rather zealously blocked groups.yahoo.com in a similar manner when all they wanted to actually do was to block a particular group. As of now most of the large ISPs have already complied with the DoT order and a large population of Indian bloggers has been cut off from their own blogs. Keep checking back here, as we will post more news on this story whnever available.

Here is a a list of Indian ISPs who have already complied with this order.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006

QUOTECan't we clean our house before setting someone elses?


No, India cannot. Globally, India is shackled and a boxed-in country. Internally, it is a terribly compromised country and any harsh measures will be projected by many Indians and other countries as 'violation of human rights and persecution of minorities!" India just does not enjoy the kind of support Israel does within the global community and western media. India cannot fight the islamists at home without coopting the global community.

QUOTEWhat exactly would the peacekeeping troops do on the Israel-Lebanon border? Hizbullah's islamic terrorists in Lebanon are using rocket launchers to bomb deep into Israel. Israel is arial bombing the Lebanese locations that it suspects of rocket launching sites. What will peacekeepers at the border do other than preventing Israel from counter attacking?

Obviously, Indian are sending peacekeepers, not fire-fighters. All peace measures will be set in place before the Indians arrive. They will be monitoring and helping the Lebanese govt. establish the writ of control in their own territory. Along with the UN, they will help disarm Hizbollah upto the satisfaction of Israel, Lebanon and the International community. As an aside, Indians and Israelis can practice joint-military, air force and naval exercises while they are at it (as I have stated before, the icing on the cake is that sending Indian troops to Isreal-Lebanon has NOTHING to do with America - a contentious issue for many Indians!).

I understand the GOI/MMS will be scared to do these sorts of things, lest Pakistan asks the same treatment meted out to Indians in the Kashmir region. This is where the rub is. India cannot be a fence-sitter if it really wishes to become a global power. It has to take sides and be prepared to make hard decisions. If India coopts the USA, Israel, Russia on this, there may be some minor repercusions, but India would have broken the mold where they will be equated with the "he said, she said," Paki squabble. The world media (western media really would from then on refer to Mumbai along with Madrid and London anytime terrorism is mentioned. Absence which, Mumbai would most likely be labeled as home-grown revenge due to Gujarat carnage.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-18-2006

Irresoluteness, a national disease
A surya Prakash
dailypioneer.com

The Mumbai blasts, which have claimed over 200 lives and maimed or injured over 700 people, constitute a terrible tragedy for the victims and their families. But a bigger tragedy awaits us as a nation if even Mumbai 7/11 does not kindle honest reflection and stir us into action to save our plural, democratic way of life. What do these serial blasts mean for us as a nation? Will this mark the beginning of the end of our dream to build a tolerant, liberal, democratic society or will this mark the beginning of the end of jihadi terrorism? The answer lies in the way we respond to the latest challenge that has been thrown at us by these terrorists. But before we consider the steps we need to take to secure ourselves, we need to take stock of the emerging trends.

Till some years ago, jihadis were all foreigners recruited largely in Pakistan and sent across the border to commit murder and mayhem. Much of the terrorist strikes were in Jammu & Kashmir and the terrorists were 'videshi'. In the last couple of years, there have been new trends. One, Bangadeshis have got into the act and we are facing a pincer attack from terrorists trained in two Islamic states situated to the east and west of India; two, the foreign mercenaries have successfully recruited Indian Muslims; and three, terrorism is no longer confined to Kashmir. It has spread across the length and breadth of India.

Homegrown jihadis, recruited by terrorist organisations with bases in Pakistan and Bangladesh have now begun killing fellow citizens for causes that are dear to them. The Indian State will have to deal with this phenomenon with the decisiveness that it displayed to crush terrorism in Punjab. But the worrying thing is that even after 7/11, which is such a monstrous assault on India, there are contradictory signals emanating from the establishment, the political parties and the intelligentsia. Going by the initial response of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, I think there is cause for concern.

The Prime Minister, who is currently attending the G-8 Summit, is expected to apprise world leaders of the terrorist strike on Mumbai and about Pakistan's continued support to terrorist organisations. As regards domestic policy, reports say Mr Singh does not think that it is necessary to revive the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA). Post 7/11, these responses are wholly inadequate. Given the toughness with which leaders like Mr Bush and Mr Putin have dealt with terrorist groups in their countries, they would expect the man who heads the Government in the world's largest democracy to respond to the situation with courage and clarity.

In other words, they would like to hear from Mr Singh how he proposes to deal with neighbours like Pakistan and Bangladesh and what steps he will take to clamp down on terrorists nabbed by Indian security forces. After 7/ 11, the world is not going to respect an Indian Prime Minister who is looking around for shoulders to weep on and goes all t he way to St Petersburg to do so. Further, even after 7/11 if the government is reluctant to bring POTA back and if it still wishes to continue the fraudulent 'peace process' with Pakistan, we must come to the conclusion that it has no desire to protect the interests of the majority of citizens in this country.

The less said about the response of some political parties the better. The attitude of some leaders of the Samajwadi Party and their defence of organisations like the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) is absolutely disgusting. For the sake of democracy, we must put such politicians behind bars.

The intelligentsia too has responded in a wishy-washy manner to 7/11. Since India is a Hindu-majority nation and most citizens have been 'Hinduised' or in some way influenced by the Hindu way of life, people do not usually take the RDX route to settle scores with their perceived opponents. In this they are like the White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants (WASPs) in America or the White adherents of the Anglican Church in Britain who constitute the majorities in these countries. But the similarity ends here. While the WASPs do not take law in their hands and we had remarkable evidence of this in the post- 9/11 phase, they do expect the American State to take a tough stand against those who promote violence.

As a result, the American State has metamorphosed into a hard state that will not allow religious extremists to use freedom to subvert the liberal, democratic order. The Hindu mind, weighed down by confusion over millennia, falls between two stools. It just does not have the capacity to respond to threats. Nor is it willing to empower the Indian State to act on its behalf. This Hindu pusillanimity has spread to other religious groups and you find citizens belonging to all religious faiths mouthing inanities and deflecting public opinion from the core issue.
He does not mention that media plays a central role in this confusion

The fact is that Islamic jihadis are targeting Hindu places of worship and institutions that symbolise India's democracy, modernity and economic power. In recent times, hundreds of people have been killed or injured in the terrorist strikes in Delhi on the eve of Diwali last year, at the Sankat Mochan temple in Varanasi, the Ram Temple in Ayodhya and the Raghunath Mandir in Jammu and inside the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore. All these acts have been perpetrated by Islamic jihadis with the intent to kill, maim and demoralise the people of India in general and the Hindus in particular... Yet, in the plethora of debates on television channels after the Mumbai blasts, one often heard panelists say that bombs do not differentiate between Hindus and Muslims.

Such platitudes and banalities flow from the unwillingness of people to call a spade a spade. There is a terrorist strike every day in the name of Islam, but it is improper to identify the perpetrators as Muslims. The unwillingness of the Hindu mind to confront the truth takes it into the realm of vapid discourse. The disease has since spread to adherents of other religions as well. This hesitation to make an honest diagnosis, this irresoluteness is now a national disease. This will cost us dear.

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-18-2006

Zero tolerance of terrorism

Terrorists struck in a big way at the financial capital of India on July 11, when they targeted Mumbai's lifeline, the local trains running in the city's western suburbs. They chose the first-class compartments because the number of passengers therein was much less as compared to those travelling in the second-class compartments. In the blasts, at least 190 persons were killed and over 650 injured.

The targets and the timings of the Mumbai serial blasts were chosen carefully to cause maximum damage, and hence maximum publicity, to show how such people could strike at will and get away. In less than 20 minutes, between 6.24 pm to 6.45 pm, the entire operation was over. The traffic was busiest at that time as the trains were crowded by those who were returning from their offices after the day's hard work. In order to cause maximum damage, the lethal RDX was used in the improvised explosive devise (IED) for causing the serial blasts in Mumbai.

This was the worst terrorist attack in Mumbai after the 1993 serial bomb blasts, which killed more than 257 people and left over 715 others injured. Incidentally, on the same day, terrorists had killed eight people, six of them tourists, in a series of grenade attacks in Srinagar.

In the current scenario of terrorism, the conventional law of war and fair play has become irrelevant. In reality, in these days of well-planned high tech terrorism, the conventional and customary approaches in dealing with new age crime have become irrelevant and outdated. No wars these days, especially the low-intensity slow bleeding one, are fought by the armed forces or four-star generals sitting in their operation room.

The days of Alexander and Napoleon are over. The noises made by the political parties calling terrorist activities as cowardly acts for attacking innocent people sound hollow for the simple reason that the terrorists are not fighting an open war. Their sole purpose is to bleed the nation that will ultimately lead to its disintegration.

Generally, public memory is short and is soon replaced by a whole set of new incidents. It is, therefore, important to remember the tremors of terrorism that Mumbai had witnessed in the past. The major terrorists operations in the commercial capital of the country are given below:

On March 12, 1993, serial blasts rocked Mumbai, killing 257 innocent people and injuring 713 others. In the same year, on October 29, blast at Matunga station killed two people, while more 40 were injured. On February 27, 1998, two persons were killed in a blast at Virar. Four years later, on December 2, blast in bus at Ghatkopar killed two passengers and injuring 49 others. Next year, on January 27, blast near Vile Parle station injured more than 30 people.

On March 13, 2003, blast in a train in Mulund led to the death of 13 innocent people. Similarly, three people were killed and 30 others injured in a blast in bus three months later, on July 29. In the same year on August 25, serial blasts at Zaveri Bazar, Gateway of India, killed 55 people, while injuring over 150 others. On May 3, 2006, blast in Ghatkopar killed one person. And, finally, on July 11, 2006, serial bomb blasts in trains on the Western Railways at six places, which shocked the entire country.

There is no doubt that the terrorists and their Pakistani mentors are following a well-planned policy to haemorrhage India. They do not feel scared because we have so far failed to send a clear and firm message that the country is no longer going to tolerate Pakistan-run terrorist activities on the Indian soil. Perhaps they are not mistaken, as the Government sends contradictory signals to jihadis across the border. In 2000, the Government unilaterally announced cease-fire and stopped all operations against terrorists and kept on extending it till it realised that it was being perceived as India's weakness by jihadi elements and their supporters.

Since the Congress-led UPA Government has come to power, it has been talking of an ongoing 'peace process' without ensuring peace at home. Regrettably, we do not have even a law to deal with terrorism. The Government seems to be following the policy of "willing to wound, but afraid to strike". Apart from not having any law, the fight against terrorism is left to each State Government on the specious plea that law and order is a State subject. Politicians of all hues are reluctant to take any firm stand against terror on the mistaken understanding that taking action against jihadis can affect their vote-banks.

It is fallacious for the simple reason that terrorism affects all communities and religions without distinction. A citizen, irrespective of his caste or creed, is interested in peace and any disturbance affects both his livelihood and personal security.

There is nothing communal about dealing with terrorism and this should be very clearly understood. There are no gains, political or otherwise, or a 'correct political approach' in soft-peddling the issue. Obviously, there is a connection between the incidents in Jammu & Kashmir and Mumbai blasts and one does not need a Solomon or an intelligence agency to tell that. The Government's basic duty is to ensure the life and security of its citizens. It will not be wrong for the citizens to conclude that the Government has failed to perform one of its most fundamental duties. The current situation is totally unacceptable, deplorable and undesirable. Terrorists are not only killing innocent people, but also targeting the economic system of the country.

Economic development and liberalisation is of no use if we continue to be soft on terrorists and allow them to have a free run in the country, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. Our intelligence agencies routinely issue warnings and red alerts over anything and everything. A kind of ennui has set in on this policy of "I-told-you-so". This needs to be curbed and replaced with more reliable and accurate intelligence.

The Government has decided to give extension of service to some selected officials dealing with security in the interest of continuity. However, the only continuity that is being seen is in the intensified regularity of terrorism. The proof of any policy is its implementation. But before it can be implemented, a policy needs to exist. Unfortunately, it is ad hocism that pervades everywhere in the corridors of power. How many more people should die before the Government wakes up?

Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006

From post 99.
QUOTEUnfortunately, it is ad hocism that pervades everywhere in the corridors of power. 

As in the previous post (# 98), ad hocism pervades the hindu mind, and hence in the corridors of power.

QUOTEHow many more people should die before the Government wakes up?

In a democracy, the Government will respond to the degree people want it to respond. It is not for the Government to wake up, but Indians to wake up (hindus primarily). If on July 12th, five million Mumbaikars had stepped out demanding MMS/UPA take action against terrorists (and in several other cities across India), imagine what the GOI might be compelled to do right now!