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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Reluctant rulers </b>
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<i>Prafull Goradia analyses why India is soft towards Islamist terror, while Israel leaves no stone unturned to retaliate against jihadi violence </i>
Having arrived in Mumbai from London on July 5, 2006, Isaac Armstrong, professionally a computer expert, flew into Delhi on the night of the terrorist carnage on Western Railway. We happened to meet on the following day. Being half Jewish, he had interest in Islamic affairs and got talking without my posing many questions. The way to handle them is shown by Israel. In order to recover one abducted soldier, eight ministers and 20 legislators, including the Palestinian Deputy Prime Minister have been captured.
For the Lebanese seizing two soldiers, Israel has invaded their country. But for the strong will of its rulers, a small country like Israel could not have survived on the huge Arabian landmass. Mr Armstrong confessed that had they possessed the same will power earlier, the Nazis could not have slaughtered six million jews.
My interest was in Mumbai of July 11, for which Mr Armstrong had an unusual diagnosis to offer. He said that the carnage was a continuing conflict between sadists and masochists. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Islamists take relish in maiming people and bloodshed whereas the Hindu ruling class gets pleasure when pain is inflicted on its people. As an example, how else can one explain the Indian Prime Minister, in his first reaction, being worried about Lashkar-e-Tayyeba raising the tempo of communal violence?
Evidently what he had in mind was the fear of a Hindu backlash. The pain of those who suffered the bomb attack and the tragedy of the innocent killed was a lower priority. Home Minister Shivraj Patil was also concerned about the terrorists dividing the society.</span>
Mr Armstrong expressed the hope that Hindus will eventually change just as Jews did after World War II. Think of it, India has not taken a single preemptive or deterrent step against the terrorists even after Parliament was attacked. Contrast that with the US retaliation to 9/11 and the disappearance of terrorism from the American continent. It is the same story after the UK took steps on the morrow of 7/7<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>. Islamists continue their attacks because they interpret the signals from India as "you are welcome".</span>
Soon after meeting Mr Armstrong, I went to see a friend of mine whose name is Agha Anwar Mirza. His explanation was lucid. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>The struggle is on to turn India into a dar-ul Islam where the writ of the sharia' would run. That would have happened earlier had there been no Partition. Undivided India would be already 40 per cent Muslim. Qaid-e-Azam Jinnah spoilt it all. By now a popularly elected sultan would have been ruling in Delhi.</span>
In answering my question, Mr Mirza said that a true Muslim cannot condemn what he perceives as a holy war. Not only in India, but also in many other countries, jihad is on; be it Chechnya in Russia, Kosovo in Serbia, Pattani in Thailand as well as for the southern islands of the Philippines. What about England, France, Holland, Scandinavia, the US? The reply was that shorn of details, true Muslims there would like sharia' to be the law applicable to their community. If that has not been declared as the objective, it could be for tactical reasons.
Why kill innocent Hindus? "That was to soften the will of the governments across India. Already you can see," Mr Mirza pointed out, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>"that the Congress-led ministries are offering reservations to Muslims." According to him, the Hindu will is soft. Should not then we Hindus be worried? He said no. They were happy under Muslim rule for centuries. It is the British policy of divide and rule that made Hindus raise their head. Now that the white regime is over, the traditional Hindu-Muslim equation must be returned.</span>
Mr Mirza is a drawing room Marxist; he did his doctorate at Humboldt University in what was East Germany. He has a wide range of interests and thinks up a variety of theses. One of them is that the Hindu per se is not comfortable at governing. He is unconsciously on the look out for someone to hand over the reins of power. Be it the Mughals, the Lodhis and the other sultanates earlier, be it the British, be it the Nehru-Gandhis. Even the Kshatriyas lack the passion to rule. Look what Mr VP Singh did and what Mr Arjun Singh is doing now. They are all reluctant princes.
Mr Mirza took me back to the age of the Mahrathas. They had a glorious opportunity to fill the vacuum created by the decline and break up of the Mughal empire after Aurangzeb. Their armies had gone across to most parts of the sub-continent. Instead of establishing a permanent rule, they preferred to visit and revisit their territories merely to collect chauth or one-fourth revenue. "Were'nt they reluctant rulers?" he exclaimed.
When I encouraged him to go on, Mr Mirza's mind flew to Beijing - the favourite of many a Marxist. See, he said, how China dealt with Tibet and what New Delhi is doing in Kashmir. Did you know how Mao Zedong brought back the seceded Xinjiang into China in 1951, he asked. He invited all the political leaders of the then independent country for a friendly conference between neighbours. He sent an aeroplane to bring the guests to Beijing. They were wined and dined for several days and sent back in the same plane which, however, crashed on the way.
Two of the Xinjiang leaders, who had excused themselves from the conference on account of ill health, elevated themselves to power and declared that their country's merger with the People's Republic of China.
In sum,<b> Mr Mirza contended that rulers must not only know real politik, but also have the stomach for ruthless action. The least they need to practice is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, the old Jewish adage which was openly adopted by Islam and implicitly put to use by Christian rulers.</b>
What the Marxist friend implied was that without this dose of deterrence, no government can govern. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>For every citizen killer, the state government must claim at least test terrorist lives! </span>
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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GoI's war on terror.. block websites !!!!
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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Indian's been a model citizen in the global community and have for decades coopted with international community. Only after 9/11 others admitted (however grudgingly) that India's been at receiving end of terrorism.
Will an Indian soldier standing as a peacekeeper in Beruit or Lebanon reduce terrorists acts in India? I have no doubts that he'll be is far more effective patroling our borders and cities of India.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
Unfortunately this time terrorists have got what they intended. People have terrorized, they don't know whether they will return alive anymore. Some near the site were shell shocked and couldn't remember things. For some reason, this time there has been maximum scare amongst the people. The effect has been both economical and psychological.
With peon of a prime minister in Delhi the aam junta will be commuting with their lives in their hands. Some cynics might argue this has been situation since the punjab terrorism. But things are lot different now. Soft image of India coupled with senseless minorityism and ill thought out reservation policies makes for perfect situation for terrorists to strike. With no will or wish by the so called government terrorists know they have nothing to worry about.
All in all, aam junta will die in vain for living in very unfortunate nation where the so called leaders have no cojones to even call spade a spade let alone rain bombs and missiles on the scums.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
A "secular" letter making rounds the net, oozing with bollywood maudlin
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dear Terrorist,
Even if you are not reading this we don't care. Time and again you tried to
disturb us and disrupt our life - killing innocent civilians by planting
bombs in trains, buses and cars. You have tried hard to bring death and
destruction, cause panic and fear and create communal disharmony but
everytime you were disgustingly unsuccessful. Do you know how we pass our
life in Mumbai? How much it takes for us to earn that single rupee? If you
wanted to give us a shock then we are sorry to say that you failed
miserably in your ulterior motives. Better look elsewere, not here.
We are not Hindus and Muslims or Gujaratis and Marathis or Punjabis and
Bengaliies. Nor do we distinguish ourselves as owners or workers, govt.
employees or private employees. WE ARE MUMBAIKERS (Bombay-ites, if you
like). We will not allow you to disrupt our life like this. On the last few
occasions when you struck (including the 7 deadly blasts in a single day
killing over 250 people and injuring 500+ in 1993), we went to work next
day in full strength. This time we cleared everything within a few hours
and were back to normal - the vendors placing their next order, businessmen
finalizing the next deals and the office workers rushing to catch the next
train. (Yes the same train you targeted)
Fathom this: Within 3 hours of the blasts, long queues of blood donating
volunteers were seen outside various hospital, where most of the injured
were admitted. By the hospital had to issue a notification
that blood banks were full and they didn't require any more blood. The next
day, attendance at schools and office was close to 100%, trains & buses
were packed to the brim, the crowds were back.
The city has simply dusted itself off and moved one - perhaps with greater
vigor.
We are Mumbaikers and we live like brothers in times like this. So, do not
dare to threaten us with your crackers. The spirit of Mumbai is very strong
and can not be harmed.
With Love,
From the people of Mumbai ( Bombay )
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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Is it any wonder that Mumbai ranked as the rudest city on the planet. This is sick !!
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-18-2006
<b>Time for Sonia to realize India is a land of Hindu heritage</b>
It is time for Sonia to realize Hindus are not going to watch their own civilization get finished in their own birth land due to stupid appeasement policy and vote bank politics. Time to get real and realize facts.
I am determined to dehypnotize those Indian politicians who are trapped in a confused state to revive the original greatness of India. The national ideals are renunciation and self-less service. Intensify the whole energy in that direction and the rest will automatically takes place. Every of my word has a blessing by our great sages of India and a thought of peace before even I speak. But we can no longer allow the truth to be defeated by just a vague idea of peace. Peace also requires the capacity to defend the heritage and every single inch land of India at any cost while still we can remain loving to those who understand our spirit. Our original land has been changed into smaller and smaller due to our peaceful nature and lack of attitude of grabbing land by converting identity of others. But we cannot afford to tolerate anymore who do not understand or ready to acknowledge our original history and heritage, the proof of our right to our birth land. If some confused converted Muslims prefer to think they created Pakistan after independence by their converted Muslim identity that does not mean we will allow any further grabbing of our land through terrorism as a tactics. Kashmir is and will be Indian land if we look original Hindu heritage and history of India. It is pointless to debate anymore because historical facts cannot be changed by using converted identity as the tool of grabbing land. We must and should tell all Muslims who has Pan-Islamic agenda in their heart to immigrate to Muslim country so that rest of the Indians can live in peace and preserve our root of heritage. Indian has 10000 years of Hindu history and last few hundred of years history cannot change the identity of India, period. So it is about time for all converted Muslims in the subcontinent to give up the idea of terrorism and realize that Indian original identity is as important as Islamic identity in the Middle East. It is about time for all Islamic people to recognize this reality and focus on their own society in the Middle East by giving up of Pan-Islamic agenda. Time for Hindus to rise and reclaim every inch of their territory from those who has lost their sense of original history due to their too much attachment to converted identity.
Truth, sincerity, and unselfish love of nation must be cultivated more to generate the real leadership in India. No outside force can even dream of harming India if we all determined to cultivate those quality more everyday. If we have these values one individual can face the whole universe in opposition.
Not only doing just good but also preserving goodness is virtue. Not only loving humanity but also protecting the innocent people is virtue. We must destroy those who harm India even though we must rededicate double our energy to save those who are good and love India. We can and must scare those who even dare to dream to harm India while still we can remain connected to our basic Hindu spirit of universal humanism. Thus we can motivate every Indian to love Indian Hindu heritage while eliminate every anti-national behavior which undermine national security and nation unity. Our unity can never be achieved by creating more disconnect from our original ancient history and heritage. We can never grow by cutting our root. We can remain diverse in language, ideas, art, music and many more ways. But that diversity does not mean we will allow outside influence to teach our people to disrespect our own Hindu civilization and heritage. The day we allowed outside influence to disrespect Hindu heritage, we started to become less united and less conscious. My unity is based on better understanding of who we are as per as our original national spirit is concern. My idea of unity is based on truth and sincerity to feel together what to be Indian really mean. My request to every pseudo-secular who hate any time any Indian express his deep love for his Hindu heritage and root is to gotheir converted Muslim identity that does not mean we will allow any further grabbing of our land through terrorism as a tactics. Kashmir is and will be Indian land if we look original Hindu heritage and history of India. It is pointless to debate anymore because historical facts cannot be changed by using converted identity as the tool of grabbing land. We must and should tell all Muslims who has Pan-Islamic agenda in their heart to immigrate to Muslim country so that rest of the Indians can live in peace and preserve our root of heritage. Indian has 10000 years of Hindu history and last few hundred of years history cannot change the identity of India, period. So it is about time for all converted Muslims in the subcontinent to give up the idea of terrorism and realize that Indian original identity is as important as Islamic identity in the Middle East. It is about time for all Islamic people to recognize this reality and focus on their own society in the Middle East by giving up of Pan-Islamic agenda. Time for Hindus to rise and reclaim every inch of their territory from those who has lost their sense of original history due to their too much attachment to converted identity.
Truth, sincerity, and unselfish love of nation must be cultivated more to generate the real leadership in India. No outside force can even dream of harming India if we all determined to cultivate those quality more everyday. If we have these values one individual can face the whole universe in opposition.
Not only doing just good but also preserving goodness is virtue. Not only loving humanity but also protecting the innocent people is virtue. We must destroy those who harm India even though we must rededicate double our energy to save those who are good and love India. We can and must scare those who even dare to dream to harm India while still we can remain connected to our basic Hindu spirit of universal humanism. Thus we can motivate every Indian to love Indian Hindu heritage while eliminate every anti-national behavior which undermine national security and nation unity. Our unity can never be achieved by creating more disconnect from our original ancient history and heritage. We can never grow by cutting our root. We can remain diverse in language, ideas, art, music and many more ways. But that diversity does not mean we will allow outside influence to teach our people to disrespect our own Hindu civilization and heritage. The day we allowed outside influence to disrespect Hindu heritage, we started to become less united and less conscious. My unity is based on better understanding of who we are as per as our original national spirit is concern. My idea of unity is based on truth and sincerity to feel together what to be Indian really mean. My request to every pseudo-secular who hate any time any Indian express his deep love for his Hindu heritage and root is to go back and read our history to recognize the truth.
Speaking the truth is the only way out to conflict. We actually stop communalism if we speak the truth and educate people about the reality. Vote bank politics, appeasement policy is the root cause of making the anti-nationals more excited to continue in their path of harming India.
We must remain one nation with one spirit while kicking out all Muslims with Pan-Islamic agenda, who hate Hindu heritage and also those who are ready to die in the name of Islam instead of preserving and protecting India.
Joi Hind! Acharya-Ji (devotee of mother India)
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
Blame goes to every Hindu. They should be careful whom they are electing.
Congress and Sonia type of exploiters are everywhere to grab first opportunity to break India.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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Sumit Bhattacharya in Mumbai | July 17, 2006
In Mumbai to address a Bharatiya Janata Party anti-terrorism public meeting, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi said on Monday that "terrorists have no religion."
"Jihadi terrorism is not Islam. Jihadi terrorism is an international threat," the senior BJP leader insisted at a meeting to condemn the terrorist attacks in Mumbai last Tuesday that killed 200 people and left about 700 people injured.
In a speech that was more like a mature statesman and less like a firebrand right-wing politician -- the Press Trust of India reported that the Maharashtra state government had warned Modi not to make any 'objectionable' statement -- the senior BJP leader emphasised the need for strong laws to tackle terrorism.
"If you (the United Progressive Alliance government) cannot enact POTA (Prevention of Terrorism Act), allow the states to do it," Modi said, adding that he had sent the proposal of a law for Gujarat on the lines of the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act in 2004, and that Union Home Minister "Shivraj Patil has been sitting on it."
Modi pointed out that the United States -- which he called "the drum-beater of human rights" -- had introduced the Patriot Act, the Financial Anti-terrorism Act and the Homeland Security regime after 9/11, and that France and "even Japan" had enacted special laws to deal with terrorism.
Modi -- who was equated to Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and hailed as the only Indian leader to have fought terror by each and every speaker at the meeting from Maharashtra BJP unit chief Nitin Gadkari (second from left) to former Maharashtra deputy chief minister Gopinath Munde (fifth from left, beside Modi) -- questioned the UPA government's "will to fight terrorism."
The Gujarat chief minister insisted that POTA -- which the UPA government scrapped as soon as it came to power in 2004, saying the law was 'draconian' and a 'weapon' to target the minority community -- would boost the morale of the security forces, and send a message to the terrorists that the government was "serious about the serious issue."
"These people (the Congress-led UPA government) cannot send a strong signal to terrorists, let alone fight them," Modi thundered to rousing applause from the 3,000-strong crowd at the Shanmukhananda Auditorium.
He launched a scathing attack on what he called "five-star activists" and people "brought up with foreign values," saying, "they paint as communal whoever speaks up against terrorism."
Modi, dressed in all white, wondered when India would be "like Israel, where everyone has a fire inside him. A dream of fighting for the country."
His 90-minute speech also focused strongly on those killed in the terrorist attacks on Mumbai.
"I have come to Mumbai with a heavy heart," the chief minister during whose reign over 1,000 people were killed in the 2002 Gujarat riots began.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
LSrini,
Heading is misleading, I heard his speech. it was very impressive.
<b>Slamming UPA on terror, Modi brings his Mian Musharraf back </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->MUMBAI, JULY 17:His visit to Mumbai opposed by the Samajwadi Party, BJPâs poster boy and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi today kicked off the partyâs anti-terrorism rally by again calling the Pakistan President as âMian Musharrafâ and telling the UPA <b>âif you canât bring back POTA, at least allow state governments to do soâ. </b>
<b>âThe Prime Minister says Akshardham happened despite POTA. May I remind him that it was only due to POTA that the perpetrators were hanged (they have been sentenced).â </b>
<b>âI wonât spare the merchants of death. Mujhe woh jamta nahin,â he said, pointing out that a Bill against organised crime, identical to the MCOCA in Maharashtra, had been passed by the Gujarat legislature but had been âstalled by Union Home Minister Shivraj Patilâ. </b>
He said that âas Chief Minister of a border state, I will be the first to come face to face with Mian Musharrafâ.
To make his point, he recalled his poll campaign in Assam earlier this year. In village after village, he claimed, he was asked about Bangla immigrants. <b>âI told them we are in the same position. Both have foreign neighbours. The difference is, here you are troubled by Bangladesh and there, Pakistan is troubled by me.â <!--emo&
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
It was funny to see English news media raving and ranting on Modi's speech. One famous journalist was even feeling insulted on Modi's so called derision of <b>ManMohan Kaur</b>. One wonders if any of the Media personnel had their family members blown apart.
Moving around in an AC car and raving and ranting from posh offices doesn't really make them an expert on anything apart from being highly paid sycophants.
Let these pseudo intellectuals visit family members of victims and see for themselves devastation of this blast on hundreds of familiies.
One hopes these idiots wake up before terrorists hit one of their news stations.
These nutcases have no shame in haranguing about Mumbai never die spirit....and blah blah blah...........This is the nth time hundreds of people have been killed.....and not even single conviction of terrorist porkies have taken place since 1993 Mumbai blasts.
What these media personnels will do if <b>Sardar Modi </b> <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> becomes PM in 2009???
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
I am not going to ruin this threadby posting about Assam.Dear Husky, I have sent a private message.PLs check it.
regards
Tarun
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
Notice how the Media cannot stop themselves from referring to Gujarat riots when mentioning Modi.
We must thank them for bringing down the death toll to one thousand-though they say 'according to official figures' in the same breath.
And what is wrong if Modi mentions 'mian' Musharaff?
Is not Mushy a 'mian' ? ( with a 'bibi' and all !)
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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July 18, 2006
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<b>Dekho dekho kaun aaya, Gujarat ka sher aaya (Look who's here: The lion of Gujarat)."
Desh ka neta kaisa ho? Narendra Modi jaisa ho (What should the leaders of the country be like? They should be like Narendra Modi)."
"Narendra Modi aage baddo, hum tumhaare saath hain (Narendra Modi march forth, we are with you)." </b>
The slogans set the tone for Monday evening's anti-terrorism public meeting at the Shanmukhananda Hall in Sion, northcentral Mumbai.
The shouts were accompanied with photographs of the Chhote Sardar -- the Gujarat chief minister, who is called that by Bharatiya Janata Party workers who equate him with one of the fathers of the modern Indian nation, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel -- being held aloft and "Bharat mata ki jai (Hail the Motherland)" reverberating louder with every television camera focus.
The first speaker at the auditorium that can seat roughly 3,000 people was Narendra Banjara, who said he was a patriotic poet.
"When Atalji (Bihari Vajpayee, then Indian prime minister) called (Pakistan President Pervez) Musharraf to Agra, we gave him a 21-gun salute. Pity none of the guns found their target," Banjara said, launching into singsong verse about obliterating Pakistan from the map. That was the most complimentary thing he said about India's nuclear neighbour.
Other highlights of Banjara's performance were calls for bans on missionaries and religious conversions and threats of hoisting the tricolour in Islamabad if Pakistan didn't stop dreaming about Kashmir.
When Modi almost quoted Nehru
Narendra Modi walked in at 7:28 pm and took the speaker's stand at 8:08 pm, both to standing ovations. His speech was a far cry from the vitriol he is reportedly infamous for. Instead there were padded jibes, un-named references and poignant silences.
<b>On terrorism </b>
Terrorism, Modi said, was worse than war. Because in war you have rules, you know who your enemy is, you take him on at a designated battleground, there are international laws to stop wars.
"The battle against terrorism is a battle for humanity," the Gujarat chief minister emphasised.
"Terrorism has crippled this country," he said, pointing at the northeast, at the corridor the Naxalites were building from "Pashupati (in Nepal) to Tirupati (in south India)" and there was "a concentrated effort from the time of Zia-ul Haq" to terrorise western India.
<b>"Till the day I am alive, I will hunt down the merchants of death one by one," </b>Modi declared to rock-star applause.<b> "My ideals are very clear," he added "Many leaders pat my back privately. They don't have the courage in public life." </b>
<b>On the Mumbai blasts </b>
<b>"The families who have lost their kin, I have come to give them faith," Modi, under whose reign the 2002 Gujarat riots happened, said. "To assure them that the blood of your son will not go in vain. How can the country forget innocent people's tears and screams?" </b>
Then came an almost Nehru-esque line about how those countries that forget their history cannot secure their future.
<b>Modi versus Manmohan </b>
<b>The country remembers Sardar (Patel). Now, we have another Sardar, Manmohan Singh, who declares in Mumbai that there was a Pakistani hand in the Mumbai blasts and when he reaches Delhi, says such small incidents should not come in the way of dialogue with Pakistan,"</b> Modi said, launching into a scathing attack on the Union government's act of repealing the Prevention of Terrorism Act.
At the prime minister's contention that POTA had not prevented the September 2002 terrorist attack on the Akshardham temple in Gujarat, Modi quipped: "Then tomorrow Lalu (Prasad Yadav, Union railway minister) will come and say people are travelling without tickets despite a law against it. Scrap that law."
POTA had helped hang the Akshardham terrorists, he reminded the audience that was in raptures, but the accused in the 1993 Bombay blasts were still unharmed.
<b>"Personally, I respect you (Dr Singh)," Modi added. "but are you serious about the serious issue of terrorism?" </b>
<b>Modi, the peacenik</b>
<b>Peace is nothing new. Maybe these electronic mediawallahs have just found out, but we (the BJP) have always been peaceful," Modi said, pointing out that there had been numerous attacks on religious processions like the Amarnath Yatra and places like the Akshardham temple, without any retaliation.
"You must have a fire inside to fight for the truth," </b>he added.
<b>"Some five-star activists and people brought up with foreign values paint as communal whoever speaks up against terrorism."</b>
When Ishrat Jahan, a resident of Mumbra near Mumbai, was killed by the Gujarat police, human rights actvists had painted her as a martyr and one politician had given Rs 100,000 to her family, Modi said. Three days later, he said, a Lashkar-e-Tayiba mouthpiece publication had hailed Jahan as a martyr.
<b>"Where were your secret cameras then?" Modi demanded, an apparent reference to sting operations on Indian news television channels. "I don't talk much," he added, after the applause died down. "I don't believe in wasting headline space." </b>
<b>On the Manmohan Singh government </b>
Modi pointed fingers at a <b>Congress ally in Tamil Nadu, the Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam, alleging that the organisation was mentioned in a chargesheet against the Students Islamic Movement of India</b>.
He alleged that the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom had campaigned for the Congress party in Assam.
<b>He charged that in the Bihar election, an Osama bin Laden lookalike had been paraded to garner votes. He said a Coimbatore blast accused had been freed to contest elections.
"What is your strategy against terrorism?" he demanded from the Union government. "If you don't want to tell the public, tell me, a chief minister." </b>
<b>Modi the idol </b>
The provocative words were there, though it was not Modi dishing it out. The leaders who spoke before Modi harped in harmony: <b>slamming Mulayam Singh Yadav for his reported pro-SIMI stand; slamming actors Aamir Khan, Shabana Azmi and Company for being "so-called secular" and "five-star activists"; </b>slamming the Congress-Nationalist Congress Party Maharashtra government for not fighting terrorism, slamming Minorities Minister A R Antulay and Human Resources Development Minister Arjun Singh for their reported statements that Hindus could be involved in the Mumbai blasts; slamming the Union government for vote-bank politics.
And brandishing the might of 80 crore people at Samajwadi Party leader Abu Azmi, who reportedly said 20 crore people of the minority community could take to the streets.
All the speakers praised Modi. As the only leader who had fought terrorism.
The Gujarat chief minister acknowledged the praise, saying that in Assam, every village he went to had urged him to speak about the Bangladeshi immigrant problem.
<b>"I told them you are surrounded by Bangladeshis and I am surrounded by Pakistanis. But the difference is, you are flustered with them; they are flustered with me." </b>
Meanwhile outside, the security cover was fit for a man who was at the helm when over 1,000 people -- according to official figures -- were killed in riots in Gujarat four years ago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Bharatvarsh - 07-18-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Terrorists have no religion: Modi <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well L Srini why blame Modi?, in reality almost every major political leader (including Bush) nowadays refers to Islam as a peaceful religion, in reality it is the majority of Hindus who seem to think so and Modi just reflects their thinking, as someone said before why blame MMS and others, blame the people who elected them, blame the people who despite being over 70% of the country have been living in slavery since August 15, 1947 and seem to prefer living that way.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
What happens when we actually catch em ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So friends, even if this investigation goes perfectly and we catch the main guys, what do you think the political class is going to do ? Where are our checks and balances when it comes to dealing with this type of behaviour ? Does any elected legislature pass a resolution favouring the main accused in a terrorist attack (while the case is still subjudice) ? Anywhere in the world.
Go ahead think about it.
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BTW, it's one of the better blogs on internet, highly recommend.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
Shri Inder Sharma wrote on BR..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I feel there has been a gross under-estimation and under-reporting of the role that Abu Azim Azmi has been playing during the episode. Some how, I feel that it is very uncanny that a major haul of RDX is found in small towns at the start of an year, caution against suspicious items is broadcast by Rail Broadcast System on Railway platforms in Mumbai during April-May; policemen are burned in June end, statute is defiled in order to incite riots by provoking Shiv Sena; blasts themselves, and then Azmiâs rhetoric of â2 crore Muslims will hit the streetsâ.
The forum has been rightfully critical of MMS due to his inability to emerge as an effective PM. However, Azmi needs a closer look.
Azmi has been a controversial politician whose has crossed sword with the cops many-a-times.
He was indicted in the Bombay Bomb-blast case and was also a co-accused in the shoe-scam (Rs 950 crores). His involvement with earlier bomb-blast, is furthermore convincing because the fellow was found to be in the inner circle during Dawoodâs shaadi and was treated with same importance. Proof!; STAR TV operation âMogambo ki shaadiâ or stuff. The dude escaped the conviction though. There is also an affidavit filed by Police commissioner Ronald Mendonca to the same effect that he is Dawoodâs henchman.
What is more important is his activism subsequent to his release. He along with Majeed Memon has been aggressively pursuing the cases of the people who have been accused of acts of terrorism. It was Azmiâs money and influence, which saved 17 hardened-criminals-cum-fanatic perpetrators of Radhabai chawl case. It is worth reminding that it was this tinder that set the matchbox on fire in Jan 1993, something for which Shiv-Sena is fraudulently blamed.
Azmi is also on record of having boasted ââHindustan ke chaahein haarazoon tukde hoo jaine; par Islam ko in kafiroon ke haathon se baachaa na hainââ (may India get divided into thousand states, but islam must be protected from these infidels). This utterance was caught again on camera during a public meeting he took in Mastan talao in Mumbai on February 24th year 2000. This issue of hate and subversive speech was diverted by home minister Chagan bhujbal when he issued warrant against Thakre and thus diverted the entire media attention from the real issue. (Congress-NCP government was in minority and required Samajwadi partyâs vital support and therefore was placating Azmi).
Further, Azmi in active alliance with Memon is trying to occupy the role of Defender of Faith in civil society. This alliance was able to get <b>the culprits of the Ghatkopar and Mulund bombings (2002, 2003) acquitted. </b>To add further annoyance, cops (Daya Nayak, Sharma etc) who shot Khwaja Yunus (key Jihadi in this bombing) in an encounter are facing charges of murder slapped on them by this duo.
Azmi was also the main instigator of briefly spread media-rumour that Ishrat Jahaan was an innocent victim abducted by barbarious Gujarat Police in Mumbra and encounter 3 days later in Gujarat. He not only was successful in placing this lie in the morning headline but also single-handedly created an explosive situation in Mumbra(do i need to say more) during Ishratâs Funeral. His favourite issue before the bhiwandi riots was Bashir Ahmedâs case of Mumbai Haj House fame, indulging in similarly proven antics of muslim innocence and cop conspiracy. To top it all, his super secular boss Mulayam has pious notions about SIMI.
He also claims to be an entrepreneur operating a travelling agency (you know, making passports and documents so that you may travel abroad). He also has a business division that ârecruits candidates from Mumbai and sends them to Gulfâ (you know, things like finding appropriate candidates, interviewing, shortlisting and then getting their documents prepared so that they may travel abroad). Is that business synergy, co-incidence, Jihad ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also some references by Shri Inder Sharma..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->here are the two references
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000728/nation.htm#7
http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/20000315/ina15055.html
As per the following reference, even CBI has certified Azmi's voice on the tape as authentic
http://listserv.indnet.org/cgi/wa.cgi?A2=i...dia-l&T=0&P=805<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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Well L Srini why blame Modi?, in reality almost every major political leader (including Bush) nowadays refers to Islam as a peaceful religion, in reality it is the majority of Hindus who seem to think so and Modi just reflects their thinking, as someone said before why blame MMS and others, blame the people who elected them, blame the people who despite being over 70% of the country have been living in slavery since August 15, 1947 and seem to prefer living that way.
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Actually I was shocked that Modi, the future/hope of Hindus, would say something this ignorant. It is one thing for Spineless or the italian or Dubya to say this. Dubya's ignorance is understandable. And we know what the psecs will say. For Modi to say something like this means he is either really ignorant, or is trying to reach out to the media for brownie points. I did not like either of the two possibilities.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Lashkar-e-Qahar warns of blasts in Delhi, Mumbai
Associated Press
Mumbai, July 18, 2006
Lashkar-e-Qahar, the terrorist group that claimed responsibility for the Mumbai train bombings, warned on Tuesday that it was planning attacks against government and historic sites in India in an e-mail to a news television station.
Lashkar-e-Qahar said in the e-mail that 16 people took part in the July 11 attacks in Mumbai, and that one of them was killed.
But "all the remaining 15 mujahideens are totally safe, and celebrating the success of this mission and also preparing for the next mission," the e-mail said.
"We also request all the Muslim brothers and sisters not to go near the main historical, governmental and the monumental places of India (especially in Delhi and Mumbai) in future," the e-mail said."Otherwise, they get hurt too."
<b>The train bombings killed 207 people and injured hundreds more. Investigators believe the group may be a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba.</b>
http://hindustantimes.com/news/181_1746927,001302390000.htm
The Supreme Court has ruled that the prosecutor has a duty to press charges even if the state government instructs him to drop dead. See http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1754367.cms.
However, the magistrate could be dropping the case soon, a third party plea notwithstanding, if the prosecutor is gutless:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1767832.cms
<b>Treason case against SIMI chief adjourned</b>
Bipin Chand Agarwal
[ 18 Jul, 2006 TIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
BAHRAICH: A treason case against SIMI national president Shahid Badra Falahi and others in a fast-track court here has been adjourned to July 20 due to objections over UP's Samajwadi Party government's order to drop charges.
Objecting to withdrawal of the case, Adhivakta Vikas Chetna Manch district president Bhagwan Bux Singh moved an application, seeking impleadment, arguing that the government's order led to the prosecution and accused becoming one for the purpose of votebank politics.
Singh and five other lawyers feared the government's order was likely to create communal disharmony by hurting religious sentiments and would aid forces of sedition. The application withdrawing the case, therefore, needed to be opposed, Singh argued.
The Mulayam government has withdrawn the treason case against Falahi vide its order number 26-21-WC-7 Nyay 5-2006/10 W C10-14-WC-2004.
The document was signed by Bahraich's district magistrate and also has an application by the district government counsel. Falahi, who is out on bail after spending 30 months in jail, was arrested after an inflammatory speech at Sir Syed Girl's College.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-18-2006
<b>Indo-Pak talks breakdown leaves US frowned</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->WASHINGTON: A key Bush administration official on Monday advised India to rely on hard evidence before drawing conclusions in the Mumbai terror attacks, while obliquely criticizing New Delhi for implicating Islamabad in the blasts and calling off talks.
"I know there's a lot of speculation out there now. That happens in these cases. But I think we need to be led by the evidence before we start trying to draw conclusions and make policy pronouncements on it," US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher told foreign correspondents at a news conference on Monday.
"So that will be our attitude, and I think that should be the attitude of others as well," Boucher, a mid-level functionary of the Bush administration recommended, even as the G8 summit of leaders issued a statement condemning state sponsorship of terrorism in reference to the Mumbai blasts.
Boucher hoped that progress in India-Pakistan relations is not lost because of developments relating to the blasts, "and that they find opportunities to cooperate... against terrorist groups, to cooperate in stabilizing the region."
"It's up to them to decide how to proceed. We realize that they felt it wasn't possible to have the foreign secretaries meetings this week," Boucher conceded, before launching into more homilies that disregarded New Delhi's strong diplomatic response to a terror attack that killed nearly 200 people and the international community's support for such response.
"But I think our outlook remains that India-Pakistan cooperation is important for the region, and we hope they will find ways to continue it in the future," Boucher said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
reggieji,
Now what is your suggestion. See even US knows India is protecting its own Jihadist and blaming pious Paki Jihadist.
Don't you think water tap is better option without any announcement as NDA used to do. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->Now let me tell you what spineless Moron Singh will say, it is just postponed not cancelled. As track-2 is still on. Trade is going. Jatha will go again. Terrorist will get visa from Pakistan. Nothing had change MR. America. I am same Moron Singh.