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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Timid Hindu, quiet Hindu</b>
SirâThis is with reference to the article, âReluctant rulersâ (July 18), by Mr Prafull Goradia. For a moment, I wondered how Mr Goradia could have a maverick like Agha Anwar Mirza as his friend. However, when I reflected upon Mr Mirzaâs line of thinking and reasoning, a bitter truth struck me. Hindus had been in bondage for centuries. There must have been serious flaws in our character that made us subservient. Hence, Mr Mirza argues: âHindus were happy under Muslim rule for centuries... He (Hindu) is unconsciously on the lookout for someone to hand over the reins of power. Be it the Mughals, the Lodhis, other sultanates, be it British, be it Nehru-Gandhis...â Mr Goradia has exhorted us to introspect. The ugly historic baggage is real; the flaws in our character are indisputable.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-20-2006
Bust the terror syndicates
Decisive and ruthless crackdown on jihadis is the need of the hour, not more empty rhetoric ---- Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT), headed by Hafiz Saeed based in Pakistan, is a threat to India's security and sovereignty and must therefore be branded as 'enemy of the nation'. There need not be a legal provision to do so. The Cabinet Committee on Security, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, is empowered to take such a decision. The committee has also the authority to direct intelligence and security agencies to prepare a plan of action, both covert and overt, to neutralise the enemy 'with extreme prejudice'.
Covert actions are within the domain of intelligence and security agencies and are best left to them to work out the most effective and quick way of dealing with the mission entrusted to them. Indian agencies have some experience in dealing with such situations and, despite the grossly unfair talk of 'intelligence failure' whenever some calamitous event takes place, these have proved their efficacy. It will, however, not be out of place to state that such actions should include targets like Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahim and Abdul Karim Tunda.
Overt actions are what makes headlines and shape public opinion. In the Mumbai serial blasts, the Prime Minister and his Cabinet colleagues have an onerous responsibility. So far, there has not been any reason for the ordinary people to feel confident that the Government is capable of resolving threats to the nation's integrity.
The Prime Minister's statements have fallen short on several counts. He seems to be a prisoner of two extremes - swinging between a meek reaction for not finalising a date for the Foreign Secretary level talks to challenging Pakistan with 'LeT or peace'. This should end. Mr Manmohan Singh should be seen as a decisive and strong leader. There's nothing gained through rhetoric, he must say what is in the country's interest. He must also ensure that his Cabinet colleagues speak in one voice and not reflect the disparate ideologies and alignments they represent.
Next, there is a need to tweak the agenda of the composite dialogue a bit. There is, of course, no point in calling off the peace process; at least not yet. The issue of cross-border terrorism, which was relegated to the end of the discussion points, should be taken forward. Pakistan should be asked to state the action taken on the commitment made by Gen Pervez Musharraf in January 2004 that he would not allow any terrorist outfits targeting India to operate from Pakistan. Let this be the exclusive agenda of the next Foreign Secretary level talks.
Pakistan can be reminded that visible and decisive action can be taken against groups like LeT. The first should be to ban Jamaat-ud Dawa and its sister organisations. The ban should be followed by the arrest of Saeed, his advisors and office-bearers. All of them should be tried under anti-terrorism laws. LeT's Muridke headquarters should be sealed forthwith.
Similar action should be taken against LeT's offices across Pakistan. The training camps should be dismantled; bank accounts of LeT should be frozen; its members should not be allowed to hold processions, organise protest rallies, publish journals, newspapers and websites.
If Pakistan either declines to accept these suggestions or fails to honour them, India can suspend the peace process till there is mutual agreement on this issue. Ignoring this critical issue for the sake of continuing the peace process will be fatal for stability in the region, as well as to India's own aspirations.
The next important overt action should be carried out at home. There is enough evidence to show that terrorist groups like LeT and Harkat-ul Jihad al Islami (HuJI) have managed to find local recruits, mainly from banned or shadow extremist organisations that have come up in Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala, West Bengal, Gujarat and Tamil Nadu, besides Jammu & Kashmir and the North-East. These groups have to be identified and systematically destroyed. Mere ban will not be sufficient. The ban on the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) is a telling example. After the ban in 2000, SIMI, which openly eulogises Osama bin Laden and calls for making India Islamic, has not only expanded its networks in several States but has also networked with terrorist groups like LeT and HuJI.
A crackdown on these groups will entail an investigation into their linkages with political parties and individuals. Mr Manmohan Singh should set up a small task force within the Prime Minister's Secretariat to investigate these alliances and associations and suggest recommendations, including penal action against political parties and individuals supporting extremist groups. One of the starting points could be the classified report of the NN Vohra Committee on politician-criminal nexus. This is of utmost urgency.
The Prime Minister should convene a meeting of State Chief Ministers and Home Ministers to prepare a consensus on the need for a decisive and ruthless crackdown on terrorists and their supporters. The Maharashtra Government, in particular, should be told to launch a 'Clean-up Mumbai' operation to rid the city of the underworld. Mumbai cannot be free of terror unless the criminal syndicates are rooted out.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
Post 136: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->''We were rulers here for 800 years. Inshaallah, we shall return to power here once again'', he said to loud approval by the nearly 200 assembled men"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->An Israeli stated that the whole Israel-Palestine conflict is about territory. The Muslims see it as territory that, once conquered by Islam, always belongs to Islam.
This is the problem of all lands that were ever supposedly conquered by Jihad. No such land may fall back into kafir hands. If so, the global Ummah is supposed to Jihad it back into their control (making it Dar-ul-Islam). Hence we see the embers of the old Jihad, that never really died, flare back up again in the favourable climate of today. But us Hindus are too dumb to see that the war never ended and don't recognise it now. I wonder why we imagine that the wolf has turned vegetarian today?
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
It needs a nuclear blast to make dumb indians realise how grave the problem of terrorism is.Still stuck in bollywoods ass , indians fails to realise the value of life. Ignorant citizenry is always accompanied by ignorant governance.Pakistan has evolved a lot in terrorizing India. Earlier their clumsy acts left a lot of proof for indians to carve an opinion and beg from big powers for help.In recent mumbai blast, terrorist as not given even that option also. Lurking for clues, mumbai police seems to carry on with its wobbling investigation. Worsening their pathetic conditions are the hoaxes.No matter how serious the crime is, UPA's tail is screeching down in the middle of their ass for more space. NEver mind everything will calm down to poor "future" blast victim's misery.
Intellectuals in mumbai screams ....."what those terrorist will get from these kind of crimes...."...Damn it..ask those families who have lost their only bread earner. Such a pathetic thinking needs to be crushed. People are so dumb in southern part of india .....(since their ass has still not been carved out..) ..that some even
favour continuing CBM's with pakistan..courtesy "The Hindu" editorial. http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/17/stories/2006071704641000.htm
Lack of option is one excuse which many "learned" people sites. They must realise that options doesn't comes in platter. In war , enemy never gives you an "option" to survive. In same way, India should not give options to pakistan
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
Post 144:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->People are so dumb in southern part of india .....(since their ass has still not been carved out..) ..that some even
favour continuing CBM's with pakistan..courtesy "The Hindu" editorial.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Although it's true that we have not been subjected to what N India has had to deal with in terms of the scale of the Jihad up there, the Mumbai blasts and Varanasi before that have made most people in the South angry. All Hindus definitely.
"The Hindu" is a communist paper, and posts only communist or p-sec comments - which are not in the least representative of South Indians. The media presents a face of the South to the North, and for us they present a face of the North. Often they lie about both. "The Hindu" and other newspapers of its kind always lie or want to influence, else they don't write the article. They're a propaganda/brainwashing paper, not a paper that objectively reports on facts.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
Mudy That is MMS version of Mooh-Tod-Jawaab..
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-20-2006
<b>Youth held in connection with Mumbai serial blasts</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The police on Thursday apprehended a youth, <b>Mohammad Akram, from Dangra village </b>in Bihar's Gaya district in connection with the Mumbai bomb blasts.
On the basis of photographs of suspects released by the Mumbai police, a team of the Mohanpur police station in Gaya district held Akram whose face resembled that of a sketch of the suspects, Superintendent of Police Amit Kumar Jain told reporters.
The SP said Akram had been staying in Mumbai for a long time.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - acharya - 07-21-2006
Plea to Manmohan Singh to lift blog ban
Special Correspondent
Chennai, July 21: In a gesture of solidarity with bloggers in India, the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) has appealed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to lift the âbanâ on websites and blogs ordered a week ago.
Expressing concern at the directive to block certain websites âwith no official explanation and without judicial or independent review,â the CPJ said the proscription had disrupted the flow of news, information and commentary in a medium of growing importance to the country.
By an order of July 13, the Department of Telecom ordered Internet Service Providers to block 17 websites and report compliance. It cited no Act or rules that it had relied upon to issue the directive. Most ISPs acted in the following days to block access to not merely the identified sites and blogs, but the domains of the hosting sites, such as blogspot, typepad and geocities. The Governmentâs action made international headlines and created a furore among the growing online community in the country.
The CPJ letter to the Prime Minister signed by Joel Simon, executive director, said, âas a non-governmental organization dedicated to defending press freedom around the world, CPJ joins our colleagues in India who have demanded greater transparency in State efforts to intervene in Internet content and access. Especially in a country like India, with a strong history of press freedom, any effort to limit or control the Internet should be subject to judicial or independent review and narrowly tailored to address urgent national security concerns.â
Further, the Indian government should âclarify publicly all efforts to block web sites and filter Internet content,â the letter said.
Code for bloggers?
The wholesale blocking of blogs turned the attention of web users to the question of a code to be adopted by bloggers.
Forrester Research (India) circulated a code format by which bloggers would affirm that they would âtell the truth, write deliberately and accurately, never delete a post, and disagree with other opinions respectfully,â reports PTI.
Individual bloggers were also coming up with their own suggested code for their peers.
PTI quoted Forrester Research India country head Sudin Apte as saying, âWhile we fully appreciate concerns for security and the fact that the current IT Act allows banning of sites that can be called a threat to security, in this case, we believe the authorities went overboard.â
Meanwhile, some of the blocked sites (which can be accessed round the world) carried posts today expressing happiness at being noticed by Indian authorities. A few used the official directive to buttress their ultra-rightist political arguments.
These sites experienced a surge in traffic after they were mentioned in several news reports in international newspapers such as the Wall Street Journal. âIt thrills me to death that my little online journal has been noticed by the wonderfully tolerant Government of India,â said one blog carrying political propaganda.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<b>Kenyan Police claim arrest of Mumbai blast suspect</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kenyan Police claim to have arrested one of India's most-wanted terror suspects, supposedly belonging to the Lashkar-e-Taiba group.
The group is suspected to have been involved in the Mumbai train blasts.
Anti-terrorism police in the Indian Ocean port city of Mombasa said that they had detained <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Abdul Karim Tunda</span> and would be turning him over to prosecutors for possible extradition to India.
"We arrested him today in Mombasa," a senior police official said on condition of anonymity.
<b>"He is wanted for Mumbai blasts. He will be handed over because he is on the wanted list."</b>
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According to reports, Tunda has allegedly masterminded 33 Lashkar-e-Taiba bomb blasts in New Delhi and adjoining areas between December 1996 and January 1998 in which 21 people were killed and 400 injured.
His faction of the group is believed to have bases in Bangladesh and Pakistan, according to those reports.
It was not immediately clear why Tunda may have been in Kenya, although the east African nation has<b> a substantial south Asian minority population</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHy they don't write Muslim population in place of minority?
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<b>Mumbai blasts: Three suspects arrested</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Two of the arrested men hail from Bihar while the third is from Mumbai</b>.
Brown sugar was found in the possession of one of them.
The anti-terror squad is expected to hold a press conference later this afternoon.
The Bihar police have also detained <b>Mohammad Akram from Dangra village in Gaya district </b>in connection with the serial blasts<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are not pakistani, why even link with LeT. Plain simple they are part of pan-islamic jihad, brainwashed by mullah sitting inside India.
For 7/11 type of deadly operation, atleast 15-20 muslim should be directly involved and same number for logistics, 2-5 spiritual leader and 1-2 financier atleast.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<b>MUMBAI 7/11 TERRORIST BOMBINGS: INDIA INCREDIBLY ENRAGED</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Concluding Observations </b>
India at large is seriously enraged with:
Pakistan: Its continued campaign of terrorist bombings in tandem with professions of peace. Also, General Musharrafâs reluctance to honour his pledges to USA and India not to permit terror campaigns from Pakistani territory against India.
USA: Its ambivalence on terrorism emanating from Pakistan against India and its inability to restrain Pakistan which it can do so. Further the constant pressure for the Indo-Pak Peace Dialogue to continue knowing fully well that Indian public opinion is strongly against it.
Indiaâs Congress Coalition Government
<b>(a) Feeble will and soft approaches of the Government to Islamic Jihad emanating from Pakistan.
(b) Weakening Indiaâs âterrorist deterrenceâ by repealing POTA on grounds of appeasement of Indian Muslim vote banks.
© Ignoring the reality that âPeace Dialogueâ with Pakistan and âTerror Attacksâ originating from Pakistan cannot go on concurrently.
(d) Succumbing to US pressures to sustain peace dialogue with Pakistan, regardless of cost.</b>
There comes a time in the history of nations, when hard choices have to be made by its political leadership. The Indian Government today has the challenge that:
<b>Fighting Islamic Jihadi terrorism, both from within and without, is no longer a war of choice, but a war of necessity. </b>
Indiaâs âNational Honourâ is not open to violation like the present destruction of 200 lives on 7/11 and the dozen more incidents preceding it.
<b>No political consideration/ postures of any political party can be allowed to subvert Indiaâs âNational Honourâ by those who masquerade as modern day âGhorisâ and âGhaznavisâ and commit crimes against India at large</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jul 15 2006, 08:02 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 15 2006, 08:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Indo-Pak talks should not be stopped: Left</b>
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India cannot hold peace talks with Pakistan beacause India is not fighting Pakistan. India is fighting terrorists. According to Pakistan govenment Pakistan does not control the terrorist, they act on their own. Either Paksitan has nothing to do with the terrorisim in india and therefore an invalid party in the peace talk, or it does infact controll terrorisim and violence in india to be able to nagotiate peace and are therefore terrorists themselves.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
Another theory to nowhere --
<b>Nepal, B'desh groups involved in blasts: ATS </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mumbai, July 21: Preliminary investigations have indicated the involvement of terror groups from Nepal and Bangladesh in the train blasts and this points at the 'direct or indirect' involvement of Pakistan, a top police official said.
K P Raghuvanshi, the chief of Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS), said, "Investigations so far reveal the involvement of terror groups from Nepal and Bangladesh and (this) in turn, points at the direct or indirect involvement of Pakistan."
He said there was 'definite evidence' that the blasts were part of a larger conspiracy involving more players but refused to divulge details.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to Pakistan govenment Pakistan does not control the terrorist, they act on their own.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, in that case India should go inside Pakistan and bomb camp and help pakistan to remove terrorist from Pakistan. India should not charge Pakistan.
But problem with Indians politicians, they don't have guts, they just bark from glass room and when they see someone is approaching hide behind sofa.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jul 21 2006, 08:06 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 21 2006, 08:06 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to Pakistan govenment Pakistan does not control the terrorist, they act on their own.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, in that case India should go inside Pakistan and bomb camp and help pakistan to remove terrorist from Pakistan. India should not charge Pakistan.
But problem with Indians politicians, they don't have guts, they just bark from glass room and when they see someone is approaching hide behind sofa.
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There is no point being frustrated about our politicians. politicians in most countries are almost as spinless as ours. We must find out the way to get work out of them. (we cannot rest hopes of our nation on them being noble and honest, we can howerever bank on ourselves to be commited and inteligent enough to make use of them however they are) <b>we must make it very easy </b>for them to make the right dissions. In past US and others have turned a blind eye to all the evidence we had presented against Pakistan, Kargil etc. so let us chose another plan of action. let us make it simple and easy. lets have pakistan own words increminate them.
you don't believe what we have to say, well what would you like to say? You want peace talks? about what? can you cause peace in India? then you must have caused violence in India. Very simple very clear
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-21-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Helpless, us </b>
<i>The Bombay massacre â and the unending mess. </i>
20 July 2006: The questions do not cease about the Bombay blasts. We have gone from blaming Pakistan for them to making peace again, under US pressure, all within a week. Our credibility as a serious nation, a putative middle power, lies shattered. How have we gotten into this mess?
In the first cabinet meeting after the blasts, the national security advisor, M.K.Narayanan, informed that âmacroâ intelligence implicated Pakistan. Was there connecting evidence to the blasts? There was not at that time, it is perhaps unreasonable to expect to get evidence so soon, and if it was there, the G-8 would have done more than perfunctorily condemn the massacre, and the US would have desisted from lecturing us about police work.
Which leads to the question, should the PM have gone to the G-8 without the connecting evidence, even if the âmacroâ evidence implicating Pakistan was strong, as there is no reason to doubt? Probably not. The government should have quietly checked with the G-8 if what India had was enough to nail Pakistan internationally, and if it was not, Manmohan Singh should have stayed home.
Staying home, keeping publicly away from the G-8, would have sent a message, that the massacre was too shocking and heinous for the PM to be able to travel. Staying would be a symbol of deep and abiding commiseration. It would also have signaled that Indiaâs âmacroâ intelligence against Pakistan was serious and compelling to keep the PM home.
Instead of the PM going to the G-8, the tables would have turned. There would have been disquiet in the G-8 about the PM keeping away, and it would have lead to the first of the serious pressuring on Pakistan against its terrorism here â and without our asking. Now, it has gotten off, and we look like fools.
Second, the Bombay ends of the investigations were grossly mishandled. A serious, thinking government would have held fast to that âmacroâ against Pakistan, put a blanket of secrecy on the Bombay anti-terrorist squad (ATS) investigations, and relentlessly turned the diplomatic heat on the Pakistani military regime.
Would the heat have held without presenting that connecting evidence? Any government would understand that evidence takes its own course to reveal, plus, India had the âmacroâ. It is like a card game, you are so convinced of your hand that your opponent buckles under suspense and pressure.
Incidentally, this is not bluffing, you have stuff just short of incriminating, and you are waiting for the connecting link. You will wait a year for it, maybe, who knows. That waiting game would have killed Pakistan, it would have forced the US to take a position than hyphenate us.
But we did not fully understand the gravity of the Bombay investigations, well, obviously, we knew it was important, but we did not think it to be the key. If we had thought it key, we would have shut out any information sharing with the media â and despite being part of the media, we say this. The Maharashtra and Bombay police chiefs would have resolutely gone off the press and TV, the leaks would have been plugged, in short, there would have been a blackout about the investigations.
Now one understands that leaks can be purposive, to mask the intentions of the pursuers, to give the terrorists a false of security, the thousand cat and mouse games that cops and robbers and G-men play. But these leaks emanating from sections of the Bombay Police gave no intimation of a great game, of things being plotted, of brilliant manoeuvres.
It looked like plain ratting about one anotherâs incompetence, dangerous one-upmanship, there was also a lurking sense of sabotaging the investigations, inter-agency, Centre-state rivalries played up, although the Congress leads the government in both state and in the Centre.
From Tripura, one ATS officer, by name, was quoted saying the investigations were at a dead-end. It did not look like a quote to mislead, it seemed like a frustrated outburst. Should such outbursts be allowed? The worst though of all the damaging leaks/ confusions/ insinuations was that the forensic revealed no RDX trace in the blasts, therefore ruling out the Lashkar-e-Toiba, so-called RDX specialists. Soon later, RDX was found by a Bombay lab, RDX plus ammonium nitrate, nitrites and fuel oil.
Who leaked/ set up the no RDX story? We donât know, and it is unlikely we will ever know, although the leaker sought to blow a hole through the Centreâs âmacroâ on Pakistan. And how does the absence or presence of RDX rule out or rule in the Lashkar? Donât terrorist organizations change their footprints?
From being sophisticated, wouldnât the Lashkar, say, want to trigger non-RDX blasts precisely to throw stupid investigators off their tracks, and to increase Pakistanâs deniable hand? And now to claim a mixture of RDX and easily procurable ammonium nitrate â even if this is true, why would Pakistan not reject it as another shoddy attempt to implicate it and the Lashkar?
In J and K terrorism, agencies used to class terrorist groups on the pattern of their terrorism. Some were supposed to be bomb makers, others, the more military types, the Lashkar, Harkat, used mortars and other heavies, the earliest Kashmiri militants tried with rockets, and so on. It can be said with no authority that the terrorists adhered to a pattern of terrorism, almost idiosyncratically, and anyhow, in the great anonymity of urban terrorism, Bombay terrorism, it is idiotic and maybe calamitous to insist on types. Right after the blasts, a section of intelligence discounted SIMI because it had no bomb-makers before, but how could anybody be sure of now? Or indeed that the bombers were SIMI plus the Lashkar?
The point is, bar cases of suicide bombing, or where deniability fails, painstaking police investigation is the only course open in urban terrorism, apart from lucky intelligence breaks, cypher cracking, interceptions, etc. These investigations, especially if deniability holds, can take from days to weeks, months.
Except intended leaks, carefully supervised, it is best to keep the investigations under heavy wraps. If foreign involvement is suspected â the âmacroâ fingering Pakistan â a perception must be created of absolute integrity of investigations. With Pakistan, this may be impossible, but we made it worse. Go through the investigative history, it is blotched from start.
We began truthfully enough, about the âmacroâ. The threats made in respect of the Kashmir peace process and ties overall were entirely reasonable reactions, but we overreached trying to get G-8 without the linking evidence to the massacre. At the G-8, we flunked, and correspondingly, the Bombay investigations trashed themselves. Now, we go peacemaking again with the Pakistanis knowing some of them are the mass murderers of Bombay.
This can only happen in India.
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<b>Grand protest march by Hindu Rakshak Samiti against anti-nationals and anti-Hindus in Dhule </b>
Hindu Rakshak Samiti organized a grand protest march in Dhule against carrying on anti-national and anti-Hindu activities like bomb blast by Muslim terrorists in Mumbai, desecration of Hindu deities and the statue of late Meenatai Thakare, statements made by Abu Azami, MP at Bhiwandi, terrorism spread in every district etc. About 30,000 staunch Hindus participated in the march keeping aside their differences. The march started from the statue of Shivaji Maharaj near Chitra-Mandir at 11.30 a.m. Before starting of the march, the organizers requested the participants to conduct the march in a peaceful manner. The march went on for one and a half hours and culminated in a public meeting near the old office of the Collector. Leaders from various political parties like Shiv Sena and BJP and Hindu organizations addressed the meeting. In the end, all the demands were read out and the program ended with singing of national song âVande Mataramâ. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu extremists disguised as Muslims behind Mumbai blasts?</b>
Indianmuslims.info ^ | IndianMuslims.info Staff
Mumbai serial blasts have once again put Indian Muslims in the dock as the mainstream print and electronic media as well as the police was swift to name Muslim outfits â Lashkar-e-Taiba and SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India) â for their alleged hands in this ghastly crime and cast aspersions on the loyalty, patriotism and peace-lovingness of common Muslims in the country. And the police, which has been more-often-than-not dubbed communal, biased and having hand in glove with Hindu extremists during communal flare-ups, started detaining Muslim youth without any proof or justification whatsoever soon after seven serial blasts rip a Mumbai suburb train on the Terrible Tuesday, July 11.
The entire Urdu vernacular press all through the week covered the ferocity of the blasts, editorially condemned and demanded stringent action against the perpetrators and planners of the crime, carried statements by Muslim organisations, and articles and letters, all condemning it in one voice and calling upon the Government to stop indiscriminate detention of Muslims in Maharashtra and some other places like Hyderabad before any investigation as there might be Hindu fascists belonging to the Sangh Parivar behind the blasts.
The Inquilab of July 13 reported that the Mumbai police was after two Lashkar activists Zebuddin Ansari and Zulfiqqar alias Fayyaz, but on July 15 the paper added the name of one SIMI activist Raheel to this list, for their alleged hands in the blasts.
The Siasat and the Munsif of July 19 reported that the Government of Andhra Pradesh categorically denied the involvement of any person in the state in the Mumbai incident.
In an edit-page article âBomb Blasts do not Prove Muslims Terroristsâ (the Rashtriya Sahara, July 18), journalist Zafar Agha has come down heavily on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for strangulating the voice of reason raised by Union Ministers Arjun Singh and A.R. Antulay. Citing Indian Express of July 13, he reveals that in a Cabinet meeting discussing Mumbai blasts these Ministers held the Hindu extremists, who want to defame Muslims, responsible for these blasts. The HRD Minister Arjun Singh based his argument on a report on the so-called attack on RSS headquarters submitted by a retired judge of Mumbai High Court who had come to the conclusion that the Sangh Parivar itself was behind this âattackâ. While A.R. Antulay cited another report which showed Hindu extremists disguised as Muslims (to defame them) making bombs in Nanded in April.
Mr. Agha has questioned Prime Ministerâs displeasure at this revelation and advised the Manmohan administration to initiate deep probe into the incident; for Hindu extremist organisations are most likely to be found involved therein.
âU.C. Bannerji Report has proved that Muslims had not set ablaze the Sabarmati Express at Godhra but Narendra Modi rather the entire Sangh Parivar not only blamed the Muslims for the fire but perpetrated genocide of Muslims in the whole Gujarat as well. With this case at hand, if Abdur Rahman Antulay and Arjun Singh pointed their accusing fingers towards the Sangh (for its involvement in Mumbai blasts), what sin was it after all?â writes the seasoned journalist.
The same issue of the Sahara editorially questions the temerity of the BJP to demand expulsion of Arjun Singh and A.R. Antulay from their posts in respective ministries for making âvery irresponsible statements about Mumbai bomb blasts.â The paper says the party has left out one more name viz. that of Union Minister for Water Resources Saifuddin Soz; in fact these three Ministers had expressed the possibility of Hindu fascist organisations behind the blasts, in the said Cabinet meeting.
âThe question is: what was the need to make such haste without any investigation and deep probe? How far is it proper and justified to declare without any investigation and probe that bomb blasts were exploded by Muslims? Was it not the duty of those who make utmost haste in holding Muslims responsible for everything bad and dreadful, to take notice of the news item published in The Telegraph and some other newspapers, in which it was reported that when the Bharat Suraksha Yatra of Shri L.K. Advani entered Maharashtra (on April 6, 2006), some young activists of Bajrang Dal were caught making bombs the same day, and meanwhile explosion of a bomb ripped apart the body of a BD activist Himanshu. This was the activist from whose house the police later seized the clothes (pathan suits) usually worn by Muslims, skull caps and many kinds of counterfeit beards. This they did with the idea to stage-manage bomb blasts and their Muslim-looking attire and make-up would lead the needle of suspicion to Muslims and they would eventually get only them (Muslims) arrested. It is very necessary to deal with the Nanded incident in its right perspective, and it is also necessary to know why the Mumbai blasts occurred only three months after it,â runs the Sahara editorial.
The Qaumi Awaz (July 18), in its editorial entitled âNeed for Strict Measuresâ writes: âIn extraordinary circumstances extraordinary measures have to be taken. This is the time the Government at the Centre crushed with an iron hand all those elements that are trying to break political unity and social cohesion. The stability and freedom of the country is at stake. In these circumstances it is necessary to take strict measures against the enemies within.â
The Sahara and the Hindustan Express covered Shahi Imam Jama Masjid Delhi Maulana Syed Ahmed Bukhariâs special address after Asr prayers on July 17. Maulana Bukhari said: âWe severely condemn Mumbai blasts but the bid to accuse Muslims is unbearable.â Calling the naming of Lashkar and SIMI soon after the blasts âfantastic,â he pointed his accusing fingers towards Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, BJP and RSS. He further said that equating terrorism with Islam and Muslims is utter injustice. âToday an environment is being created in which every Muslim sporting beard is looked at with doubt and suspicion,â he lamented.
The Express (July 18) front-paged a 5-column human interest story telling the readers the ordeal Rehan Ahmed Sheikh, his wife and two children had to face for 15 long hours at Mumbai airport. An accountant in the Moscow branch of an Andheri-based medical company, Rehan had rushed from Moscow to attend the funeral ceremony of his elder brother Ejaz, who was one of the victims of Mumbai blasts. He had been grilled for hours together about what look he had adopted, why he sported beard, which organisation he belonged to and what his activities were, etc.
In a letter to the editor of the Sahara (July 18), Muhammad Tariq Iqbal of Khanquah Faridiya, Kako, Bihar writes: âThis is a deep conspiracy; efforts are being made to divert our attention somewhere elseâ¦. There seems to be involvement of some white-listed organisations behind this incident.â
The question is whether the Manmohan administration will gather courage and guts to order a crackdown on the Hindu fascist organisations if some really deep probe proves their hands in this heinous crime against humanity. Letâs wait and watch to know the answer.
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