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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
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True, these cretins went into disguise about 700 years ago. See the ill effects of disguise now. <!--emo&:devil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devilsmiley.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='devilsmiley.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Jul 22 2006, 05:17 AM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Jul 22 2006, 05:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu extremists disguised as Muslims behind Mumbai blasts?</b>
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The question is whether the Manmohan administration will gather courage and guts to order a crackdown on the Hindu fascist organisations if some really deep probe proves their hands in this heinous crime against humanity. <b>Letâs wait and watch to know the answer.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]54287[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->They mean: "let's create false leads and frame others, and then wait until the p-sec media covers that as fact and then watch the propaganda spread."
It's the usual Islamic overhand game to protect any backlash: "the WTC attacks were instigated by the Jews/the US itself/anybody but the Islamists".
But the covert game is the same: carry out terrorist attacks agaimst kafirs.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Hauma Hamiddha - 07-22-2006
For some other venue:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is the geographical nation of the Hindus safe? Nay is the nation of Hindus itself safe? This is a topic I did not really want to write about but the flurry of chats have almost forced to repeat myself on the issue. Firstly, an important point that Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup brought to the fore should be remembered here: Hindus are by definition a nation. It is the sanAtana dharma that gives them their nationhood. The geography that they occupy is secondary to the role of the sanAtana dharma. The geography of India is important today because it constitutes the natural habitat of the Hindus.
However, this habitat of the Hindus has been historically attacked by the two violent monotheisms and its safety is compromised. The freedom from the British reign did not result in a freedom from the Hindu mind. Sadly rather than re-establishing a state under the natural principles of sanAtana dharma, fooled by the West the founders of the new Indian empire established a secular state. The result of this secular state is a further defanging of the Hindus. Secularism has eroded Hindu traditions that are the only scaffold of India- if we wanted a secular state we did not require freedom from the British. We could have happily continued under the secular rule of a Western powers, after all England and the rest of Europe were secularizing. We needed freedom only to have a state under dharma not under secularism. But now secularism has had an even more threatening aspect: It denuded the spirit of dharma amongst the Hindus and replaced it with crap in the form puerile Hindi cinema, blind imitation o the West like the proverbial jackal with a blue hide in viShNusharman's tale, decadence of brahminical social leadership, and atheism a direct consequence of secularism. In contrast it embolded the two monotheists to act with impunity funded respectively by their Western evangelist and Middle Eastern Ghazi masters.
As a result there are two serious attacks on the very existence of Hindus: One destroying its very innards through a insiduous attack on the Hindu plebian now even targeting the holiest Hindu shrines like venkaTAdri:the other open slaying Hindus in a display of the Jihad. Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup had remarked astutely that for all the carnage the riots after partion on the India side showed the spirit of India was not entirely dead. There are other things we just cannot talk about here, but one thing is clear the recent assault by the Ghazis on the Hindus, nearly 10 centuries after the accursed Mahmud Ghaznavi (may sewers that are perfumes for the Momeen flow on his Mazar), the Hindu spirit does seem dead in India. And, any recently astute observer can note that this is a direct consequence of secularism. Hindus appear to have no say in India, and are blathering secular nothings, while the Imam of leading the congregation of the masses bereft of their foreskins thunders: "We were rulers here for 800 years. Inshaallah, we shall return to power here once again". This in my humble opinion is a serious symptom. Combined with the demographic assault by the Mohammedan, and the secularization of the Hindu elite, I fear we are witnessing the symptoms of the newest loss of Hindu freedom.
Remember the throughout the far east there were Hindus once: Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia Java, Sumatra and Bali. Now they are only there in the smallest of these territories- Bali. They are gone in Afghanistan, saidhava desha, Central Asia and Roman territories. In light of this the symptoms we are witnessing suggest to me that even residual India may be lost. Some call me paranoid but I believe we could see the fruition of these events even in the near future.
We have two famous parallels in history-- our cultural cousins the Romans and the Iranians. The Romans were a highly pluralistic culture. Every religion of Asia could be practiced in its boundaries with relative freedom. The state did not do much to interfere in religion. They produced brilliant philosopher emperors like Marcos Aurelius, who might have even impressed a sha~Nkara bhagavat pAda, as well as worthless rulers like Severus and others like our own worthless rulers of modern India. Their rich state temples were operated with rites resembling those of the Agamas- abhishekas, prasAdas, dIpa dhUpa and all that, and were economic powerhouses just as Tirupati or Vaishodevi. The Roman political system for that era was reasonably strong, and their army large and tough. Yet, the terrible curse of Isaism over took the king due to a few crucial mishaps. Christian women from the bar in the family of Constantine turned the whole west into a seething cauldron of Isaism. Likewise the barmaid Sonia, marrying the vagrant prince of India could be set to turning India towards a decline.
The Zoroasterians, our linguistic and cultural cousins, were likewise outright destroyed by the other monotheism Mohammedanism through demographic and military means, when their empire blinked and failed to pay attention to the storm that was building in the Arabian desert inside their own empire. We similarly pay no attention to the storm gathering in the little Islamic hell-holes throughout the length and breadth of the country. Both powerful heathen nations are now buried in the sands of history. While we did much better in round one, I do not see a bright future in our natural habitat.
In light of this the reasonably astute Hindus need to install seeds of their nation in safe havens away from their old home that might fall to the predators.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
Hauma,
+++ There is no point complaining about GoI inaction. They are beyond salvage. In a parliamentary democracy, there is no incentive to act against the wishes of a monolithic minority that is growing to be a monolithic majority.
+++ There is no point complaining about lack of a public backlash. Everyone wants to live, and live in peace. This is not an unreasonable wish. Plus backlashes don't solve the problem in the long-term. We are at a disadvantage in terms of population growth. <b>So, a hundred backlashes will not stop Islamism in its tracks.</b> It will slow them down by a generation or two, that is all.
There is only one way to solve the problem in the long term. And, that is to have more children, and lead a more family-centered life. <b>I think the ideal number of children to have is FOUR</b>. Not just to keep the population proportions in India, but also because it appears to be a good idea, overall.
The current idea of having one or two children, if at all, seems to be a fad - a government-sponsored fad. I can see why it is good for the Government, but why is it good for Hindus? Why is it good for the family? I think this fashionable upper limit of TWO children is only good for the government, because it brings the populstion growth to zero, and lessens demand for government services. It is not even good for India, as a whole, because a growing population is really the engine of both the economy and the family, in many ways.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 22 2006, 03:18 PM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 22 2006, 03:18 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hauma,
+++ There is no point complaining about GoI inaction. They are beyond salvage. In a parliamentary democracy, there is no incentive <b>to act against the wishes of a monolithic minority</b> that is growing to be a monolithic majority.
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That is absolutly true. no point in cursing at the symptoms of the deceseas aka GOI. the monolith chaarateristick of the minorities is waht makes them so influential in india. If we want to effect the dissiosion in india we must be as united. problem is it is easier to unite ignorants who don't know much and agree and follow whatever their leader tell them. we tend to know a lot and have great diversity in our opinions. we need to find an idea, a spirit to whcih all of can relate and unite behind.
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 22 2006, 03:18 PM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 22 2006, 03:18 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is only one way to solve the problem in the long term. And, that is to have more children, and lead a more family-centered life. <b>I think the ideal number of children to have is FOUR</b>. Not just to keep the population proportions in India, but also because it appears to be a good idea, overall.
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I agree our population is going to be out strength rather then weakness in the future. but i don't agree that it is the only way to increase streangth. rather than having 4 average kids its good to have 1 strong, well educated, well motived kid who is capable to keep all 50 kids of the neighbor in his controll. looking at Brits in India, Israel in middle east, spaniards in America or alexander Vs darius one can know that it is not the streangth of nos but rather determination and strong will that makes the winners.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Bharatvarsh - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than having 4 average kids its good to have 1 strong, well educated, well motived kid who is capable to keep all 50 kids of the neighbor in his controll. looking at Brits in India, Israel in middle east, spaniards in America or alexander Vs darius one can know that it is not the streangth of nos but rather determination and strong will that makes the winners. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all good and dandy but even Israel withdrew from Gaza and there are fears that soon Arabs will outnumber Jews, nextly what will Britain do in a century when its Muslim population will be a near majority?
Even now low level ehtnic cleansing is going on well in Europe, have you witnessed the riots in France and UK?, the gov't can't do anything, if you don't breed much then sooner or later you are screwed no matter how organised or advanced you are. Family planning is western propaganda that moronic Hindus picked up and it is the one thing that will ultimately screw us (what do you think emboldens Muslims more and more?, it's their growing population in India and the decline of Hindus, do you think a Marad massacre would ever happen in Gurdaspur or Jalandhar?)
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Jul 22 2006, 07:16 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Jul 22 2006, 07:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than having 4 average kids its good to have 1 strong, well educated, well motived kid who is capable to keep all 50 kids of the neighbor in his controll. looking at Brits in India, Israel in middle east, spaniards in America or alexander Vs darius one can know that it is not the streangth of nos but rather determination and strong will that makes the winners. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all good and dandy but even Israel withdrew from Gaza and there are fears that soon Arabs will outnumber Jews, nextly what will Britain do in a century when its Muslim population will be a near majority?
Even now low level ehtnic cleansing is going on well in Europe, have you witnessed the riots in France and UK?, the gov't can't do anything, if you don't breed much then sooner or later you are screwed no matter how organised or advanced you are. Family planning is western propaganda that moronic Hindus picked up and it is the one thing that will ultimately screw us (what do you think emboldens Muslims more and more?, it's their growing population in India and the decline of Hindus, do you think a Marad massacre would ever happen in Gurdaspur or Jalandhar?)
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We are third largest religion and 2nd largest populated country. we have largly untapped assets of our culture, history and religion that we have not yet fully expolited. rather then worring to get what we are missing. we must work to fully utilise our otherwise grosly neglected assets which no other cultures have.
The fear the people have about muslims is not that they are so many, but it is that most of them are too fanatic, they could harm others very readyly even if that means distroying themselves. The senseless fanatisim in islam is what is the danger. would you be afraid of million bees, if they did not have the sting? the muslims who do mrtyer them selves don't do it thinking about the high population of muslims they would leave behind, but do it cause they themselves would go to haven. This craziness is waht is the real danger.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-22-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We are third largest religion and 2nd largest populated country. we have largly untapped assets of our culture, history and religion that we have not yet fully expolited. rather then worring to get what we are missing. we must work to fully utilise our otherwise grosly neglected assets which no other cultures have.
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Yes, but this means Hindus realizing the value of "identity" and playing it. Others while creating and consolidating others identity constantly, with their leading wolfpack called intellectuals, deconstruct Hinduism and Hindus. Without realizing it, Hindus always backpedal and react and go on defensive and continue to bleed and fracture. Game half over. Identity is one thing, but what it extracts and demands is "allegiance" - to what, is the question and the key. Hindus will automagically owe their allegiance to India, but what about others? They are being programmed, what about Hindus who are getting deprogrammed?
Do hindus have stomach to play this game, reconstruct the identity and demand political freedom? or continue the slide and end up in doghouse again?
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
Well said.
<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Jul 22 2006, 10:58 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Jul 22 2006, 10:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Without realizing it, Hindus always backpedal and react and go on defensive and continue to bleed and fracture. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So the first task would be for those who realise this, should explain to those who don't. great skills are required to install pride about our culture in these hindus who look down up on them selves and their past. They should not be taunted, offended or made fun of. They should be patiently reasoned with. to some this may seem hopeless, but for those who are willing to try, must.
<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Jul 22 2006, 10:58 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Jul 22 2006, 10:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Identity is one thing, but what it extracts and demands is "allegiance" - to what, is the question and the key. Hindus will automagically owe their allegiance to India, but what about others? They are being programmed, what about Hindus who are getting deprogrammed?
Do hindus have stomach to play this game, reconstruct the identity and demand political freedom? or continue the slide and end up in doghouse again?
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We should not wait to see who all will join us in the allegiance to the nation. we should be the first to give our unquestioned allegience to India. Then work for encouraging others to do the same.
2000 years ago we had cut ourselves from the rest of the world. We achieved great humanitarian succesess among ourselves, all the while being absolutly oblivious to the viciousness growing around us. Our ansestors paid a heavy price for being naieve. But never the less they were still some how able to get our religion and culture out of, what could have been a certain extinction. They brought it out tatered and dirty but still alive. They did their job, now we must do ours. No time in the history of India there were somany Indians outside India, .. able to understand other cultures and truely appritiate ours. We are the first. We have to do the task that has not been done before. We had never known the white man and the muslim better then we know them now. let us learn and adapt.
It took us time to understand the game, but now....lets play!
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<b>Arrested man is not Tunda: Kenyan police</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In a dramatic twist to the reports that one of India's most wanted men, Syed Abdul Karim alias Tunda, had been nabbed in Mombasa, the Kenyan police said tonight that the arrested man was a West African national amid media reports that he had been handed over to the FBI.
Tunda, founder of the Laskher-e-Tayyeba in India and wanted for several blasts in Mumbai, Delhi and other places in the country during 1993-98, was said to have been arrested in Mombasa on Thursday night - news that had been received with great satisfaction by security agencies here.
However, Kenyan police spokesman M Kibunja told PTI that the arrested person was not an Indian but a West African national. "He has nothing to do with the Mumbai blasts," Kibunja said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, DDM never disappoint us. Who paid for Tunda news to media?
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
GoI should ban this blogger..
http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?cid=74668
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Bajuo Me Dam Hain Magar
Dil Me Himmat Nahi
Kuch Karane Ki Chahat Hain Magar
Desh Par Mar Mitne Ko Tayyar Nahi
Sarfaroshi Ki Tamanna Ab Hamare Dil Me Nahi
Madhosh Zindagai Hain
Paison Ka Gurur Hainâ¦
Ham Apne Aap Me Hi Kahi Kho Gaye Hain
Sarfaroshi Ki Tamanna Ab Hamare Dil Me Nahi
Sach Zoot Ki Koi Jung Nahi..
Zoot Ka Hi Raaj Hainâ¦
Jahan Maa Ko Hi Sanmman Nahi
Waha Desh Ko Kaun Poochata Hain
Sarfaroshi Ki Tamanna Ab Hamare Dil Me Nahi
Ek Din Aaata Hain
Hum Shahidon Ke Liye
Aansoo Bahate Hain
Din Dhal Jaata Hain
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Khush Ho Jaate Hain
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<b>FOIL/EKTA Action Alert:</b> Join Hands with Mumbai Students for <b>Peace and Solidarity</b>
from http://foilciis.blogspot.com
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
Awwwww... Pinkos in full bloom, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Observe MUMBAI IN WHITE on July 26th, 2006
College students, and all citizens of Mumbai!
Wear white on July 26th. White for peace and a memorial to the dead.
If you wear uniform, or you donât own anything white, wear a white band!
The seven blasts on suburban trains on July 11 have shocked Mumbai and
the world. Yet, Mumbaikars not only kept calm, they went out of their
way to help the injured and the families of the dead. <b>Despite Mumbai's
inherently cosmopolitan and peaceful character, we must actively take
measures to ensure that this spirit of resilience and generosity endure.</b>
<i>{Yes, Dhmmitude must endure}</i>
There are always communal elements that will try to vitiate the
atmosphere by attempting to target innocents. Mumbai needs to stand
together and defeat the attempts of terrorists and communal forces to
grind down the city's sense of unity. <b>We must make certain that no more
innocent lives are lost</b>. <i>{And wearing white chaddis etc will do that?}</i>
Colleges and citizens organisations of all hues and sectors have united
to urge that we observe July 26, the first anniversary of the floods in
which 447 Mumbaikars lost their lives, as a day on which to say â<b>Salaam</b>
Mumbaiâ. We appeal to every citizen to WEAR WHITE on July 26, to work,
to go anywhere, in memory of those who lost their lives in the blasts as
well and to express their commitment to peace.
On that day, students from more than 30 city colleges in Mumbai will
read a <b>Pledge of Peace</b> in all colleges at 3 pm exactly. There will also
be two public meetings, one at National College Bandra and another in
Burhani College, Nesbitt Road, Mazgaon at 2.30 pm.
We request colleges, organisations, NGOs, offices, temples, churches and
mosques to please spread the word. Please come to the public meetings
and read the pledge of Peace wherever you are.
Please remember to wear white on that day!
Dr. Subadra Anand (principal, National College, Bandra), Dr. Sabira
Dossa (Principal Burhani College), Ms Ferrukh S. Waris (Burhani
College), representatives of all colleges in Mumbai.
Contact:
Ferrukh Waris, Burhani College, Ph: 2371 2449/ 93234 69013,
Dr Subadra Anand, National College, Ph: 26461424.
Varsha Rajan-Berry, Peace Mumbai. Ph: 5582 1141 / 51/ 9820603704/
9820442955
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
jayshastri,
<!--QuoteBegin-jayshastri+Jul 22 2006, 07:00 PM-->QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 22 2006, 07:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than having 4 average kids its good to have 1 strong, well educated, well motived kid who is capable to keep all 50 kids of the neighbor in his controll
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Life almost never works out this way. The fear is never always of violence. Remember, most of the Islamist population is not generally violent. There is a small proportion of them who are violent and fanatical. But, the Islamic population is growing. In a democratic country, that population growth counts - in a very specific way. In a parliamentary democracy, this denouement will be upon us even sooner.
Also, the violent subset of Jihadis, even though, it is small, is also growing (like the rest of the Islamic population), as a proportion of the total Indian population. So, your 1 strong, well-educated kid may keep 50 of the neighbor's kids at bay, but <b>will your one strong, educated grandson control 200 of the neighbour's granchildren?</b> Think in the very long term. Not just a generation or two from now.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->jayshastri,
<!--QuoteBegin-jayshastri+Jul 22 2006, 07:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 22 2006, 07:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than having 4 average kids its good to have 1 strong, well educated, well motived kid who is capable to keep all 50 kids of the neighbor in his controll
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Life almost never works out this way. The fear is never always of violence. Remember, most of the Islamist population is not generally violent. There is a small proportion of them who are violent and fanatical. But, the Islamic population is growing. In a democratic country, that population growth counts - in a very specific way. In a parliamentary democracy, this denouement will be upon us even sooner.
Also, the violent subset of Jihadis, even though, it is small, is also growing (like the rest of the Islamic population), as a proportion of the total Indian population. So, your 1 strong, well-educated kid may keep 50 of the neighbor's kids at bay, but <b>will your one strong, educated grandson control 200 of the neighbour's granchildren?</b> Think in the very long term. Not just a generation or two from now.
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Only numbers cannot be the relaible assesment of strength. when it gets too big it breaks again. Islam is not and cannot stay monolith. the rift between shiits and sunnis has never been so great as visible in the lebanon crisis. all the sunni countries sudi Arebia, turky, egypt are on the side of israel and against iran and hesbullah which is shia.
This is contrary to common belief that though muslims fight internally when an external force attacks they unit. staying with islam they would get a proud death, staying with the secular world they would get life of prosperity. some muslims have started to make wise choice.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The fear is never always of violence. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It sure is. why do you think people world wide refused to show the muhammad cartoon? because they will upset vast population of muslims? NO. because some violet crazy ones would tie bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in thier lobbies.
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->but will your one strong, educated grandson control 200 of the neighbour's granchildren? Think in the very long term. Not just a generation or two from now<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
if there are 50 they could be handeled by assault riffle. if 100 then by tank. if 200 then 1 jdam. if 500 then 10000 ton bombs etc. if they go high with no. we go high in technology/intelegence to counter those nos.
after a while huge no becomes a proboem. they become difficult to handel. they break.
I am not saying nos are not important. I am saying our current task is getting ones we have, togeather. Big mass is of no use with out cohesion.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<b>Madarsas are not centres of terrorism: Patil </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi, July 23: Giving a clean chit to Islamic madarsas, often accused of being the breeding ground of militancy, the Government said these religious seminaries were not centres of terrorism.
"We believe that Islamic madarsas are seats of social service. They are not the centre of terrorism," Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil told a symposium here.
"<b>Some violent incidents have taken place in the recent past - in Varanasi, Jama Masjid and in Delhi. Someone must have done that</b>. They will definitely get punishment. But for that it is wrong to blame the entire community. It is wrong and we will not allow that to happen," he said.
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Why they blame Pakistani Madarsas from preaching hatred? They should appoint Patil head of Waqf and Indian Muslim Leaque.
Terrorsim is some violent incident? These jokers will never learn.
I pray from my family safety everyday, GOI is shameless and impotent.
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-23-2006
<b>Doc, three others detained for 7/11 </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mumbai: Mumbai Police's anti-terrorist squad detained four more suspects, including two working professionals, on Saturday, in connection with July 11 serail blasts.
<b>INVESTIGATION UPDATE
One detainee is a doctor
All seven bombs were planted from Church Gate
Mumbai police in Bangalore tailing another suspect </b>
The four detainees were picked up from Bihar and Navi Mumbai area on Saturday. One of the detainees is a doctor, and at least two others are said to be well-educated professionals, according to Mumbaiâs anti terror squad (ATS) officials.
"One of those detained is a doctor who was picked from Grant Road, a location close to the Churchgate station. The police believe all seven bombs were planted here," added Raghuvanshi.
Mumbai Police had arrested three persons on Friday in connection with the July 11 blasts who now increasingly appear to be the fringe operators in the complex web of terror modules.
Sources told CNN-IBN, one of the suspects <b>Mumtaz Maqbool Chaudhary, arrested from Vashi on Friday</b>, had harboured the main operatives, while other suspects - <b>Kamal Ahmad Ansari and Khalil Aziz Sheikh - were part of the logistical back up</b>.
"There is a larger conspiracy in behind the 7/11 blasts. There are large no of players involved. Unless and untill we trail all of them, it will not be correct to speak anything, " ATS Chief K P Raghuvanshi said on Saturday.
A two member team of Mumbai police is now in Bangalore tailing another suspect with an educated background
However, ATS sleuths refused to provide any details on the exact role these operatives played before and during the blasts.
"Till the time the entire conspiracy is unveiled, talking about any of theses individual roles wont be right," said Raghuvanshi.
The arrests made so far are smaller victories that appear to have been made larger than life by police under pressure to deliver to concrete results.
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Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-24-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-jayshastri+Jul 23 2006, 07:31 PM-->QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 23 2006, 07:31 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The fear is never always of violence. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It sure is. why do you think people world wide refused to show the muhammad cartoon? because they will upset vast population of muslims? NO. because some violet crazy ones would tie bomb to their chest and blow themselves up in thier lobbies.
<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Jul 23 2006, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->but will your one strong, educated grandson control 200 of the neighbour's granchildren? Think in the very long term. Not just a generation or two from now<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
if there are 50 they could be handeled by assault riffle. if 100 then by tank. if 200 then 1 jdam. if 500 then 10000 ton bombs etc. if they go high with no. we go high in technology/intelegence to counter those nos.
after a while huge no becomes a proboem. they become difficult to handel. they break.
I am not saying nos are not important. I am saying our current task is getting ones we have, togeather. Big mass is of no use with out cohesion.
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Your logic will hold true if the enemy is outside of your borders. In our case, the enemy is within our borders. So the battle will be man to man.
Hindus will have to keep the population up. Thanks to Gandhi and Nehru for that!
Blast In Mumbai's -2 - Guest - 07-24-2006
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Hindus will have to keep the population up. Thanks to Gandhi and Nehru for that!
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My logic will hold true in any case. Qualities could not be compromised over quantity. It is good to have both of course, but one cannot hope quantity could replace quality. Hindus are still great majority in India. nos is not what we should worry about right now. We are not as united and as effective as we could be with the nos we have.
The no of kids one chooses to have would be their personal choice. Weather they chose to produce a heard of sheep and let them lose to live or die, or choose to bring up just one child devoting all their financial and mental resources for his/her best growth, thats on individuals.
And every time blaming everything on Nehru and Gandhi is a way of escaping one's own responsibilities. No great civilization had any better then we do before they started fixing their pathetic state to eventually become great.