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Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-15-2007

QUOTE12 injured in clash at Bathinda 
Pioneer.com
Satinder Bains | Chandigarh
Punjab CM appeals for peace, harmony
At least 12 persons were seriously injured in a clash between followers of Dera Sacha Sauda of Sirsa and certain Sikh organisations at Bathinda, the cotton hub of Punjab, 230 km from here.

The clashing groups openly used sharp-edged weapons, including swords and spears. Heavy police force was deployed after the incident, reports reaching here said.

Additional DGP Chander Shekhar who described the situation as peaceful and under control said no arrests had been made so far. He said that Inspector General Patiala range MK Tiwari would conduct an inquiry into incident.

The Bathinda incident is seen as a repeat of the Sikh-Nirankari clash in Amritsar on April 13, 1978 in which 13 Sikhs were killed in firing by followers of Nirankari chief Baba Gurbachan Singh. Nirankaris were ex-communicated from the Sikh Panth by Akal Takht, the highest temporal seat of the Sikhs after the clash. The Amritsar clash was the turning point in the militancy that engulfed the State for over two decades till the late 90s.

Communal tension was building up between the followers of Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh organisations since the time of the Punjab Assembly elections in February, following Dera head Baba Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh's instructions to back the candidates fielded by the Congress. The Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) had lost at least 24 seats in the Malwa region of State due to this.

In recent weeks there were reports of minor disputes between followers of Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh organisations who criticised the Dera chief for serving vested interests.

An advertisement issued by the Dera Sacha Sauda on Sunday in certain English newspapers was the flash point of Monday's violence. The Dera chief was shown dressed like Sikh Gurus and he had called a congregation on Monday to baptise his followers, a practice which is prevalent in Sikh religion.

The Sikh organisations opposed the action of the Dera chief and marched towards the function in the morning at around 8.30 am. where they were confronted by the Dera followers, police sources said.

It may be a coincidence that Parkash Singh Badal was the Chief Minister in 1978 and is again in charge in 2007 when communal violence has rocked the State.
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Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-16-2007

Sikh factional war spreads to Delhi, media targeted QUOTEThere was a clash between anti and pro-Dera groups in West Delhi's Vikaspuri area. The Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal) General Secretary Omkar Singh Thapar was hurt in an attack by unidentified people and media equipment was also damaged.

Thapar received severe head injuries and had to be rushed to a nearby hospital. Twenty other Akali workers were also injured in the clash.

Around 200 people, owing allegiance to Dera Sacha Sauda attacked mediapersons in Vikaspuri for allegedly talking to Akali Dal members holding protest demonstrations.
No mediaperson was injured as they managed to flee in time when they saw the violent mob approaching them, though two 'Outdoor Broadcasting' vans of 'Star Plus' and 'Sahara Samay' channels were smashed by them at Vikaspuri Chowk, according to eyewitnesses.

The attack by Dera Sacha Sauda members was mainly targetted at Akalis who had been protesting their since afternoon, but media vans were caught in the 'crossfire' as one of the channels was interviewing Thapar.


Congress is back supporting criminals and instigating riots. Gujarat should watch, Queen may create problem.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-16-2007

Mudy, what is the interest of Congress in this? Also what is the history of Dera? I know there are a lot of 'Deras' throughout Haryana and Punjab. Literally Dera may means encampment, but in this context what is a "Dera"?

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - ramana - 05-17-2007

Please read the bolded parts that Mudy has posted. The Dera chief claims to be a Sikh guru which as we all know the last one was Guru Gobind Singhji. To add insult to injury this guy was supporting the INC in last elections. So he must have some backing from the INC back room guys, to start asserting his guruness to create trouble. Classic Bhindrenwala repeat.

Sacha Sauda means fair trade? or Fair deal?

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

QUOTESacha Sauda means fair trade? or Fair deal? 
Fair deal

This guy suddenly wore Pagari on that day. Why? Normally he use Himachali style cap.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

QUOTE(Bodhi @ May 16 2007, 11:47 PM)Mudy, what is the interest of Congress in this?Â Also what is the history of Dera? I know there are a lot of 'Deras' throughout Haryana and Punjab.Â Literally Dera may means encampment, but in this context what is a "Dera"?
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Its a sect, so-called "secular" no restriction of any kind. Followers are mainly, low caste Jat, small labor and others. There are criminal charges pending against this sectâs head, people say head of this sect is womanizer and involved in murder. Cases are pending in court and Congress in Harayana is not taking any action against him.
Congress/Arminder Singh had created this monster to neutralize Akhali, but this sect activity is against Sikh Panth and Akhal Takhat.

Dera in commonly used as rest area something like Sarai, it can be Daramshala or somebody house. I can recall during out of city marriages we used to stay in âderaâ , sometimes it was somebody house or Dharamshala. Everyone refer it as âDeraâ.

Dera Sacha Sauda Sirsa- of Sexual Orgies, Intrigues and Series of Murders

wiki-link
QUOTEMainstream Sikhism has rejected this institution and called it a cult

Gurmeet Singh has also been implicated in many other violent acts across punjab and is currently being investigated by the authorities.


if you check this Canadian
Link, this sound like Sikh sect
but Sirsa link says differently link

Pending case link

Blood Donation Drive By Sacha Sauda Followers in Bangalore
May 13 2007 11:39PM
QUOTEThe followers, who donated blood work in different MNCs like Infosys, SAP Labs, Accenture, Oracle, Kotak etc., and included businessmen, doctors, house wives and students as well
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I wear what I am given, says Dera Sacha Sauda chiefQUOTEDera Sacha Sauda, May 15: Back in his gufa, as his seven-acre residence is called, after delivering a sermon on non-violence to a mammoth congregation of 7,000-odd devotees, Dera Sacha Sauda chief Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh claims he hasnât heard of the clashes that rocked Bathinda for the second day today
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Spread over 700 acres, the dera is a self-contained little township with its own newspaperâSach Kahun, published in Hindi and Punjabiâhospital, administrative complex, chemist shops, salons, tailor shops and home for abandoned girl children.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

QUOTEÂ Dera Sacha Sauda head calls meeting of followers at Sirsa on May 17Â Â Â
Punjab Newsline NetworkÂ Â
Wednesday, 16 May 2007Â
CHANDIGARH: Sant Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh head of Dera Sacha Sauda has called a meeting of all its organisation wings and village level heads from all over Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Rajasthan, Uttar Pardesh etc on May 17 to coincide with the Sarbat Khalsa called by Akal Takht Jathedar.

The Dera Sacha Sauda has asked its followers to reach Sirsa, headquarter of Dera in Haryana adjoining Bathinda district of Punjab.

The situation in Punjab is volatile following clash between folowers of Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh organisations. The Akal Takht has called the Sarbat Khalsa to decide future course of action against Dera Sacxha Sauda. It is learnt that Dera Sacha Sauda is also planning to counter any move by Sikh organisations.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Sikh Diaspora blames SGPC, SAD for Punjab violenceQUOTEForeign Sikh organizations were of the view that clashes between different Sikh sects over advertisement in few newspapers showing Sirsa-based Dera Sacha Soudha head Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh dressed as Guru Gobind Singh, was an outcome of the failure of "Dharm Parchar" wing of the SGPC
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the SAD and the SGPC were responsible for the encouragement of the Dera culture in Punjab.
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Sikh Council Switzerland said the Sikhs living in Europe demand the Indian government to take strict action against Gumeet Ram Reheem to restore peace in the region.
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Italy Sikh Council and president of Khalsa Welfare Association, Italy, demanded that the Jathedar of Akal Takhat should take strong stand against the Dera culture in Punjab and should initiate "dharm parchar laher" on war footage.

as most of the Deras have been violating the "maryada" (sikh code of conduct) as formulated by the SGPC and Akal Takht
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Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Here you can see, why Sikhs are angry, basically he is mocking Guru Govind Singh

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/4200/38/

CHANDIGARH: The tension between following Dera cheif Sant Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh and Sikh organisation in Punjab started with Dera head appeared in public dressed like Guru Gobind Singh and administered"Amrit" to his followers and also named seven "Payaras" on the pattern of five Payaras (Five beloveds of God) named by Sikh guru.We present here two photographs of Sant Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh.
http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/4200/38/

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Punjab tense, nationwide Sikh protests continueQUOTElink
Violence continued in Punjab for the third day and protests spread to other parts of the country as the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) charged the Congress with inciting trouble and alleged that seven of the Congress MLAs were part of the crowd that went on rampage in Bathinda on Monday and Tuesday.

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Tension broke out in Keshopur, a Sikh-dominated area in West Delhi after a group of Dera followers allegedly attacked Akalis who were protesting against depiction of Dera head Baba Gurmeet Singh Ram Raheem as 10th Sikh Guru Gobind Singh. Minor scuffles were also reported in Jangpura area of South Delhi, while protests by Akalis took place in Tilak Nagar and Janakpuri localities of West Delhi.

Police have tightened security in areas with large Sikh population in the Capital. Sikhs organised rallies at Gandhinagar, RS Pura, Rehari, Satwari, Udhampur, Kathua, Rajouri, Baderwah and Ramban in Jammu division
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SAD general secretary Prem Singh Chandumajra said that history was witness to the fact that whenever the Congress was out of power in any State, it resorted to a plan to disturb the situation in that State to extract political capital out of it. He said that the presence of seven Congress MLAs among the rampaging crowds in Bathinda on Tuesday provided evidence of the complicity of the party in the mindless violence

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Whole article, they don't archieveQUOTEOperation Blue Star: Congressee sauda, Dera SachaÂ SaudaÂ 
http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/115052007.htm
By PemendraÂ agrawalÂ 15-5-07Â

Congress drew aÂ sect Dera Sacha Sauda in politics for the creation of Operation Blue Star likeÂ situation. Congress got fatwa from Dera chief in its favor in the previous heldÂ assembly election of Punjab. Congress developed the leadership of Bhinderwale toÂ divide Shiromani Akali Dal and later supported Nirankaris to crush theÂ Bhinderwale.Â

From where the name DeraÂ Sacha Sauda came 
Dera SachaÂ Sauda sect in fact follows Sikh Panth and Guru Nanak Saheb. The name ofÂ Dera sacha sauda is also picked up from an incident of the life of GuruÂ Nanak. One day father of Guru Nanak sent his son for purchasing some goodsÂ and gave money fot that. Nanak dev went but he gave all money to theÂ saints and came back home. Nanak dev replied his father that heÂ distributed the money between the needy saints and that was a sacha sauda.Â Thus Dera picked up this name. But in later as happened generally everyÂ new sect, begins to compete their original panth. Perhaps this same isÂ happening now with Dera sacha sauda as happened with Nirankaris. CongressÂ as its character gives fuel to the fire.

Creation ofÂ Operation Blue Star by Congress 
In the Pre-Operation Blue Star periodÂ the former S.G.P.C. Akali, and experienced politician Jail Singh, on theÂ instruction of Congress High Command dreamed the best way to break up the S.G.P.C. Akali Dal/BhartiyaÂ Jan Sangh (Preesent BJP) coalition was to wean the Sikh support away from theÂ S.G.P.C.

As the historian Patwant SinghÂ comments: âThe person chosen for the role was Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, aÂ seminary preacher with a considerable knowledge of the SikhÂ scriptures,â

Jail Singh with Congress played hisÂ clever card to destroy the Akali Dal/Bhartiya Jang Sang coalition by encouragingÂ the Sant Nirankaris to hold a convention in Amritsar. This in turn gaveÂ JailSingh a weapon with which to potentially smash the Akali Dal/Jan SanghÂ coalition. Jail Singh was fully aware that the Sant Nirankaris were considered aÂ heretical Sikh sect and perceived by most Sikhs as a enemy of Sikhism. SantÂ Nirankaris asked the Punjab government permission to hold the convention inÂ Amritsar, this put the Akali Dal in a predicament.Â

Jail Singh had played his card wellÂ and the Akali Dal decided to let the convention go ahead and weather the stormÂ of Sikh protest. On 13th April 1978, the NirankariÂ convention took place in Amritsar. A fanatical agricultural inspector namedÂ Fauja Singh, affiliated with the Akhand Kirtani Jatha and Bhindrawala marchedÂ through the streets of Amritsar to confront the Sant Nirankaris. Thirteen ofÂ the, followers of Bhrindranwale, and three or four Nirankaris wereÂ shot.

The Congress Party began to whip upÂ anti-Sant Nirankari sentiments amongst the Sikhs via their Congress-controlledÂ Sikh temples in Delhi. Not wishing to alienate their coalition partners, theÂ S.G.P.C. Akalis tried to play down the Sant Nirankari incident in Punjab. TheÂ Congress-held Gurdwaras in Delhi promoted Bhindrawala as a hero of the SantÂ Nirankari incident.Â Meanwhile the Sant Nirankaris hadÂ their court case moved from Punjab to neighboring state of Haryana because theyÂ felt that in Punjab they would not get a fair hearing.Â

The Haryana courts acquitted the SantÂ Nirankaris on grounds of self-defence. Here the stone of Operation Blue Star wasÂ kept by Congress. And this stone ultimately became the cause of assassination ofÂ Indira Gandhi. Congress never wants to learn lessons from its unforgivable sinsÂ against the nation.Â The Congress Party of the IndianÂ government began to play a role in this clash when they started to support theÂ cause of the Nirankaris. For example, the Congress Party paid for many expensesÂ of the Nirankari Congregation. The Congress Party 's support for the NirankarisÂ formation deepened the division between the Orthodox Sikhs and the IndianÂ government. This tension between the two parties eventually led Bhrindranwale toÂ seek refuge in the Golden Temple out of fear that he would be executed by theÂ Indian Army.

Congress sowed theÂ seeds of Khalistan
Prior to the Khalistani movement inÂ the 1980s, there is no example of Sikhs persecuting any heretical movementÂ within it ranks. Even the despicable Sikh sect, the Handalias, who caused soÂ much harm to the Khalsa in the 19th century were allowed to die a natural andÂ inevitable death. It is the Congress which sowed the seeds of Khalistan.Â

The media in the Punjab took the partÂ of the Nirankaris on the pica of' secularism. So did the Congress party which,Â on returning to power at the Centre, dismissed the Akali government in theÂ Punjab, where too fresh elections were held and Congress governmentÂ installed.

The same roles are being played byÂ the so called media and the Congress to create hurdles before the SAD (B) fight.Â This is not going only in Punjab. Congress and Left create this situation everyÂ where through various divide and ruld policy: Save Afzal move, highlighting ofÂ fake encounter of terrorist a man of Don Daud, Freedom of Expression through MSÂ Uniersity of Vadodara and Indore. Kerala Govt. of left has decided to reward theÂ MF Hussain for making nude painting of Bharatmata and Hindu godÂ goddeses.

Operation Blue StarÂ and Present Violence in Punjab 
The same situation is being createdÂ by Congess in Punjab with the help of Dera Sacha Sauda. Sirsa border of HaryanaÂ and Punjab is the capital of this sect and Haryana is ruled by Congress. AfterÂ its defeat in Punjab by wasting the fatwa of this sect, Congress and sect bothÂ want to teach the lesson DAD (B) and BJP coilation government as the Congress ofÂ Indira did in the past.

Fatwa of Dera toÂ support Congress in the assembly election 
Now there is violent fight betweenÂ the two Sikh sects as per the poisonous divide and rule policy with sugar coatÂ of communal secularism. Sonia Gandhi in the name of secularism begged votes toÂ play the communal card by getting fatwa of a religious sect Dera Chief.Â

Feb 10: Punjab Chief MinisterÂ Amarinder Singh today said the Dera Sacha Sauda's decision to extend support toÂ the Congress will be a shot in the arm for the party during the February 13Â polls.

Tensions had been brewing between theÂ ruling Akalis and Dera supporters ever since Dera supporters were told to voteÂ for the Congress in the recent Assembly polls. The Congress had done well in theÂ Malwa belt following the dictate

Ad to show DeraÂ Chief as Guru Gobind Singh 
The violent tussle since May 13, 07,Â began after newspaper advertisements allegedly showed Baba Gurmeet Singh RamÂ Raheem attired like 10th Sikh Guru Gobind Singh and the Akalis protested theÂ advertisements that also showed the Dera head distributing "amrit".

Efigy of Sonia was burnt 
In the back ground of presentÂ violence, Akal Takht Jathedar calls Sikh conclave on May 17. This violence hasÂ spread out of Punjab upto Jammu, Sriganganagar of Raj and Bhopal of MP. CommunalÂ Congress and atheists communist should not be allowed to spread this violenceÂ further.Â

On April 8, the activists of SikhÂ Students' Federation (SSF) burnt effigies of Sonia Gandhi and Congress today,Â accused the government of shielding Sant Ram Rahim Singh, the owner of DeraÂ Sacha Sauda at Sirsa. The president of SSF, GS Grewal said that a few days ago,Â Malwa Congress MLAs had appealed to All India Congress Committee (AICC) to bailÂ out Ram Rahim from the sex-scandal he is allegedly involved in

What is PAWÂ (Political Affairs Wing of Dera Sacha Sauda)?Â 
Members of Political Affairs Wing ofÂ Dera Sacha Sauda are representatives ofÂ Sadh Sangat for welfare of Sadh Sangat.Â

Edict splits DeraÂ followers 

Political andÂ foreign wing of Dera SachaSauda 
I read a following comment of aÂ âpremiâ:
I am follower of Dera Sacha Sauda orÂ Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Ji. I want to request Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Ji to stopÂ playing with our sentiments. Dera Sacha Sauda has been commercialized and now weÂ are being insulted by society. We can't answer questions raised from society.Â How can we tell them that our guru is a true guru when he has been making moneyÂ from his followers and now want to vote congress? We can't vote on the name ofÂ GOD. Please don't be our guru of social world but only be our guru of spiritualÂ world. We can always decide ourselves whom to vote. Please keep your politicalÂ wing or foreign wing to yourself. We don't need them. Also keep your commercialÂ wing to yourself too. Hopefully someone will read this to you. Thanks

There is a book âBande Tou Rabâ,Â where it is clearly mentioned that âDera Sacha Sauda has nothing todo neitherÂ with any political party nor in future will be related to any politicalÂ partyâ¦â¦â¦.â But Congress managed them scusscessfully for getting fatwa in itsÂ favor from the Dera Sacha sauda.

DM orders takingÂ over of Dera property in Himachal 
As reported on April 27, KangraÂ district magistrate Bharat Khera has asked the revenue department to take overÂ the possession of 175 kanals of prime land in Chachian village of PalampurÂ subdivision of Kangra district as the state property and âvest the property inÂ the name of the state government as the owner in revenue recordsâ.Â

The land was allegedly the âbenamiâÂ property of Dera Sacha Sauda that was acquired by it in the names of some localÂ people.Â

Murder ofÂ journalist 
On October 24, a gunman fired severalÂ shots at Chaterpatti, a journalist based in Sirsa, a town in the northern stateÂ of Haryana. Chaterpatti was taken to an area hospital but was later transferredÂ to the Apollo Hospital in New Delhi.

Police arrested three suspects,Â including the alleged gunman and a leader of the Sirsa-based religious sect DeraÂ Sacha Sauda, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.

Sacha Sauda: HCÂ comes down on CBI 
As report of April 17, The Bench observed that there wasÂ no tangible material before it or genuine reason for the agency to seek moreÂ time. The only inference, the court said, was that either the sincerity wasÂ lacking or there were some extraneous consideration in dealing with theÂ matter.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Situation is very grim in Punjab

Media is showing live speech from Sirsa, they are trying to make it explosive.

Situation tense in Punjab, Centre asks people to maintain calm 
Punjab seeks 5000 personnel of Central forces
QUOTESocial boycott of Dera Sacha Sauda

Earlier in the day, tension mounted in Punjab as Sikh high priests today called for a social boycott of the Dera Sacha Sauda for allegedly insulting Guru Gobind Singh, sparking fresh attacks by Sikh protestors on the properties of the controversial religious group in parts of Punjab.

The Sikh high priests, who met under the Chairmanship of the Jathedar of the Akal Takht, Joginder Singh Vedanti, finalised a five-point `hukamnama` (edict). Following protests from a section of the large gathering of Sikhs, Jathedar of Takht Damdama Sahab, Balwant Singh Nandgarh, announced that the body had decided to give the state government an ultimatum to arrest the Dera chief by May 20 and to lock the Dera properties across Punjab.

Five high priests, who met at Talwandi Sabo Gurdwara near Bathinda, gave the Punjab government time till May 20 to act against the Dera for its "anti-Sikh activities". After this period, Sikhs would be "forced to act against the Dera", they warned.

QUOTETension escalated in Punjab as Sikh high priests today called for a social boycott of Dera Sacha Sauda, sparking fresh attacks by Sikh protestors on properties of the controversial religious group that left at least 22 injured.

A group of 100 Sikh missionaries returning from Talwandi Sabo attacked a Dera ashram at Ram Nagar near Maur Mandi in Bathinda district, injuring 22 people, including a policeman. One of the injured was seriously hurt, officials said.

The Sikhs demolished the walls of the Dera property, damaged vehicles and attacked male followers while sparing the women. Some 80 policemen were deployed at the spot but they allegedly did nothing to save the Dera followers.

In Mansa, a chowk named after the Dera was demolished while Sikhs attacked a Dera property at Sunam in Sangrur district. Some persons were injured in this incident.

Large numbers of Dera followers and Sikhs came face to face near Salabatpur in Bathinda district and police were deployed in strength to control the situation, said ADGP (law and order) B Chandersekhar.

In Bathinda, Dera followers surrounded Kila Gurdwara while a number of Sikh devotees were inside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaS2BUyvPMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arC71akoFdc
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Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - ramana - 05-17-2007

I think we are seeing the start of the new 'Khalistan' movement and it should not be buried in the Riots thread. I request admins to start a new Dera SS thread to monitor the situation.

The Russian Orthodox Church is coming together and burying the hatchet and here in India we are seeng more divisions.
Thanks, ramana

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - ramana - 05-17-2007

Thanks. As can be seen from the election results the DSS has some large support in some regions eg. Malwa region and has the hidden hand of INC. So this thing wont die down unless there is a iron hand and velvet glove policy. Those seven MLAs should be locked up and charged with TADA or something like that. Same time message has to be delivered to INC not to disturb Punjab again and put back the progress since the 90s. This has to be done by well meaning Sikh leaders who care for Punjab.

We need to understand the class conflict which is at the root of this movement. What are the drivers?

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-17-2007

Tension mounts in Punjab; 1 killed in clashes

Cong rubbishes Badal's allegationsQUOTEWe did not ask for help from any religious organization, but if it chose to support Congress candidates, then it is a different matter," he argued.

He wondered why no violence took place when Congress was in power and why the 'honeymoon' for Shromani Akali Dal and Bharatiya Janata Party could not work out well even before mandatory period of 90 days.

Ex MP held, 4 police companies deployed in PatialaQUOTEwhlile police have arrested former MP and Shiromani Akali Dal (International) chief Atinderpal Singh.
SSP Patiala S K Asthana today said Atinderpal Singh was arrested for instigating people to go on rampage yesterday. He was trying to mobilise people against one section of the society, he added. Atinderpal Pal Singh was elected to Lok Sabha from Patiala in 1989 defeating Congress nominee Vinod Sharma. He was in jail at that time and was facing charges of hatching conspiracy for the assassination of former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. He was later acquitted by the Supreme Court. Atinderpal Singh had formed a gurdwara in the memory of late Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale at Dhantail in Patiala District.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-18-2007

Thousands gather at Dera, dare Sikhs 
QUOTEAfter the meeting of five top priests at Talwandi Sabo, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, the chief of Akal Takht, the highest temporal seat of Sikhs gave an ultimatum to the Punjab Government to arrest the chief of the controversial sect before May 20. After this period, Sikhs would be forced to act against the Dera, they warned.Â Â

Tempers ran high in the Sikh conclave and the participants repeatedly raised slogans in the name of 'Khalistan' and late Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale.

The members of Damdami Taksal, once headed by Sant Bhindrawale were present in large numbers along with the present chief Bhai Harnam Singh Bhindrawale besides representatives of about 100 Sikh organisations

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Office bearers of the Dera have said that they would not tolerate attack on their followers and properties in Punjab. More than 20,000 followers of the sect assembled at Sirsa in Haryana and have threatened to march towards Behind, where Sikhs allegedly assaulted two of its members.

The Dera head also refused to apologise to the Sikhs

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-18-2007

QUOTE(ramana @ May 17 2007, 11:35 PM) As can be seen from the election results the DSS has some large support in some regions eg. Malwa region and has the hidden hand of INC. So this thing wont die down unless there is a iron hand and velvet glove policy.
. Same time message has to be delivered to INC not to disturb Punjab again and put back the progress since the 90s. This has to be done by well meaning Sikh leaders who care for Punjab.

We need to understand the class conflict which is at the root of this movement. What are the drivers?
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During Khalistan movement Congress was able to unite Hindus and able to get majority in Parliament without any support. Looks like Congress strategy to regain power without any support. I think this will backfire.

Dera SS was started in Baluchistan by Mastana, as a refuge he came to India and was able to get land in exchange in SIrsa. Those days Nehru was very generous with "Secular" types. D SS is a business enterprise, I don't think they pay tax.

In Punjab there are so many sects, fight over loot is the main reason. Class conflict is not a reason. 80% labor in Punjab is from outside.

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-18-2007

Congress, I think, seems to be behind most of the problems India faced or still is facing today.

1962 war was lost because Nehru wanted to disband the army after independence (as he naively thought India did not need the army as it is a peaceful nation) and he also got carried away with 'Hindi-Chini bhai bhai' slogan and despite warnings not to trust Chinese, he neither initially paid any attention to such warnings not made any efforts to improve the army....results in 1962 were clear for all to see.

Again, dividing Indian states on linguistic lines was Congress partyâs idea...

Allowing millions of Bangladeshi Muslims to cross and settle in Assamâ¦

Kashmir problem mainly started when govt. gave in meekly to the Rubaina kidnappers demands...

Congress propped up a village granthi called Bhindrawala to counter Akalis and later this man turned into a monster...and that was the start of Khalistani movement, a movement which was also funded by some extremist Sikhs from UK, USA, Canada etc (of course as Khuswant Singh so aptly put it âThe only Khali (empty) sthan (place) was in the heads of the people demanding Khalisthan & it took a man like KPS Gill to put an end to this militancy problem in Punjab)...

Now the moment Akali Dal+BJP combine comes back to power in Punjab, again fingers are being raised at Congress party as people are accusing Congress of fanning the fires in Punjabâ¦

It is India that suffers time and again because of the stupid, short sighted policies of Congress (as once again they are opening a Pandoraâs box in Punjab as they did in the past)...

Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-18-2007

Central forces rushed to Punjab, Haryana
QUOTEIn a late-night development, the Centre decided to rush 125 companies of RAF, BSF and CRPF to different cities in Punjab and Haryana in a bid to contain the violence.

Forces also remained deployed in parts of west Delhi where the authorities feared trouble. As Punjab's administrative machinery, clearly at sea, failed to control frenzied mobs baying for each other's blood, calls went out for imposition of Presidentâs rule to prevent the state from descending into chaos.

The entire state went into spasms of violence and fear as clashes on the fourth day killed Kamaljit Singh, a Sangrur resident, in Sunam.

At least 15 others received serious gunshot wounds, with eight believed to be critical, after Dera supporters in Salawatpur, surrounded by a mob, opened fire. A police contingent which was there failed to stop the rampaging groups, too scared and too unprepared to retaliate.

When reports last came in, about 20,000 Sikh youths were on their way to attack and empty out another Dera shelter in Sangrur with at least 5,000 followers of Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, leader the Sacha Sauda cult, inside the colony

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Dera Sucha Sauda -Sikh conflict in India - Guest - 05-18-2007

Inside Dera from some dera fora-
QUOTEIt is need of the hour to form A another wing, which will research and take every possible action to improve inside situation like politiucal activities and corruption of Dera Sacha Sauda, Sirsa.
Corrupt people needs to be sent home. All Dera or dera related commercialised establishments (schools, colleges, factories, shops) needs to be removed or moved out of dera, so these establishments can't prey on sacha sauda followers.
Premis should be made aware that Biscuits made at Dera Factory are not only option for prasaad in Naam Charcha, followers can keep historical methods of prasaad or pitaji can give option which should be neutral. Also misleading rumors that Coca Cola is not good for health now because we now made juice at Dera. Those people who promote dera products by such rumors should be punished and should be expelled from Dera. Dera sadhus who don't have enough dedication to serve god should be sent home. Professional singers or professional people who provide their services for money should be restricted from participatiing in dera functions and activities. Misleading theories like Shahi Pariwaar (royal families) are special should be clarified to sangat. Most of damage in history and in our case is done by these Royal Families. I PERSONALY DON'T GIVE ANY IMPORTANCE TO THESE ROYAL FAMILIES. PARAM PITA JI ONLY GIVE US INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW GURU RAM RAHIM JI, NOT TO WORSHIOP THESE ROYAL FAMILIES. 
QUOTEI am follower of Dera Sacha Sauda or Sant Gurmeet ram Rahim Ji. I want to request Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim Ji to stop playing with our sentiments. Dera Sacha Sauda have been commercialized and now we are being insulted by society. We can't answer questions raised from society. How can we tell them that our guru is a true guru when he has been making money from his followers and now want to VOTE congress. We can't vote on the name of GOD. Please don't be our guru of social world but only be our guru of spiritual world. We can always decide ourselves whom to vote. Please keep your political wing or foreign wing to yourself. We don't need them. Also keep your commercial wing to yourself too. Hopefully someone will read this to you. Thanks