The Great Indian Political Debate - 3

[acharya]

Indian Secularism is Sick
http://www.offstumped.in/2009/10/19/indian...larism-is-sick/

by zoomindianmedia on Oct.19, 2009, under ZIM
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Congress I (islami-isai) supported by communist elements have foisted an ugly perversion of secularism on native Indians.
Secularism in the West was conceived to keep in check totalitarian dogmatic church, a known institution of deceit and perversion. Since Islam too is dogmatic and totalitarian, Secularism in India would have made sense if it helps keep these beliefs under check.
On account of perversion by Congress I (islami-isai) and communists, secularism was used to undermine native Hinduism, a decentralised faith, a faith where experience is central, skepticism is integral, belief voluntary and text subservient.
Articles 26 to 30 have been used to empower totalitarian xianity/islam. In India, we have a situation wherein all the rights, privileges and prerogatives belong to the minorities and the native Indians are left holding the duties, responsibilities and obligations.
Natives as we know in India cant set up education institutions to propagate their values/heritage. And native places of worship alone get regulated by the hostile government, their resources abused/looted.
All this happens while followers of totalitarian dogmas propogate their hateful beliefs unrestrained and actively encouraged by government and corrupt media.
In India’s perverse electoral environment native icons/beliefs can be abused without any costs while totalitarian beliefs get noting but eulogies. And the forced eulogy of totalitarian beliefs are underwritten by violence. All hell breaks lose when xian/muslim idols like jesus/koran are critically examined.
Moral equivalence between Native Indian Hinduism, a decentralised faith, a faith where experience is central, skepticism is integral, belief voluntary and text subservient and dogmatic totalitarian beliefs likeislam and christianity remains an egregious error. Islam and christianity remain beliefs pushing its followers towards medieval dark ages and barbarianism. This perversion of secularism can be rightly called as sickularism.
One such example of this perversion is presented below as a Congress candidate argues Hinduon Ka Shahr Se Naamon Nishaan Mitaanaa Hai:
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Congress leader, Syed Abdul Quadir Amir (Quadir Maulana) candidate for Aurangabad during elections, extorts that native Indians/their parties should be obliterated and Aurangabad islamised.
Native Indians have been historically naive and charitable towards followers foreign totalitarian beliefs that seek to uproot native Indian heritage and culture using all possible. It is time to call their bluff.

[acharya]

http://www.offstumped.in/2009/10/23/what-i...-1/#comment-218

http://www.offstumped.in/category/dharma-moral/

[Capt M Kumar]

<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> Ananthamurthy gave an example of a conversation between Buddha and Ajathashatru as a part of his speech. “Ajathashatru, being a king, wanted to ask Buddha how to rule without causing harm to anyone, but Buddha had no answer because politics or kingship revolves within its rules, and no one can avoid the loss of one for the gain of another,” he said. Politics today also revolves around the same lines, he said.



“There is always a conflict between the people and the government. It has prevailed from the time of the Ramayana,” he said stressing on the topic of politics as power and constrained to certain rules. http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report...hy_1377927

[Capt M Kumar]

While interacting with the media in Bhopal yesterday, Sudarshan had called Gandhi a CIA agent and accused her of plotting assassinations of her husband and former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and his mother Indira Gandhi.



"The BJP, which draws its inspiration from the RSS, should apologise for it," Bansal told reporters outside Parliament.



Seeking to steer clear from the controversy, the BJP distanced itself from Sudershan's statement, saying Gandhi was an elected representative and should be treated with respect. http://www.hindustantimes.com/RSS-distan...24933.aspx

[Guest]

[url="http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/let-maino-deny-she-is-a-cia-agent-or-get-lynched/"][size="5"]Let Maino deny she is a CIA agent or get lynched![/size][/url]



November 12, 2010 by janamejayan

[size="7"][sub]Can Sonia Gandhi address a Press Conference or go to Court on Sudarshan’s disclosure?[/sub][/size]



Nov. 12, 2010



Statement of Dr. Subramanian Swamy, President of the Janata Party



The Congress Party deserves to be condemned for taking to the street and engaging in violent protests against the RSS for the disclosure made regarding Sonia Gandhi’s past by former Sarsangchalak KS Sudarshan. Any party which is committed to democracy, which the Congress Party have proved in the Emergey, it is not, should resort to media rebuttal or court action to counter the disclosure made by Shri Sudarshan. But obviously Sonia Gandhi cannot address a press conference or go to court on this matter. In 2008, the Congress Party had filed a defamation suit in the New York State Supreme Court seeking equivalent of Rupees five hundred crores as damages from three NRIs based in US, namely, Mr. N. Kataria, Mr. Arish Sahni and Mr. D. Satya for bringing out a fullpage advertisement in the New York Times precisely making the same disclosure which Mr. Sudarshan has made yesterday.



The New York State Supreme Court however dismissed their defamation suit and the Congress Party chose not to appeal to the Federal Supreme Court in Washington. Obviously going to court would lead to further disclosures that Sonia Gandhi would be required to make on the witness box during her cross examination. Hence she has chosen the path of all dictators to engage in violent acts to intimidate her critics. Unfortunately such violent acts against Shri Sudarshan will only boomerang against Sonia Gandhi.



Subramanian Swamy

[Capt M Kumar]

The government could agree for a joint parliamentary committee (JPC) probe into the 2G spectrum allocation scam in order to "save" the Budget Session of Parliament. This was indicated by a senior Congress leader who declined to be identified.



"Still there is lot of time for the Budget Session, but if it becomes clear that it could also be washed out like the Winter Session, setting up of a JPC could be agreed to," he said. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/...eader.html

[Capt M Kumar]

Punjab state unit CPI-M general secretary Charan Singh Virdi says, “Political rallies on religious occasions started for freedom campaign in the past. On such occasions, people used to hear the speeches of their leaders for inspiration and good things. Now these occasions have become tools in the hands of certain political parties to further their electoral interests, which isunfortunate.”



Academicians have a different take. Prof Raunki Ram, political science expert at Panjab University says, “This is a part of Punjab’s political heritage. Delivering public speeches on religious occasions is not something new in India. In Punjab, these occasions remind the people of new generations of the history of Sikh culture. Political parties are practicing what the Sikh pioneers and gurus did in the medieval period. It is a different story that gurus are least spoken about by leaders on such occasions.” http://www.dailypioneer.com/312638/In-Pu...ently.html

[ramana]

Op-Ed by Inder Malhotra

POLITICAL COMMENTARY

Sorry state of Indian democracy

Inder Malhotra



FROM the late 1960s until well after Indira Gandhi’s assassination India was in the grip of grave polarization focusing on her personality. Since then polarization has subsided and recurred several times. Its most conspicuous resurgence was in 2004 when the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance was defeated in the Lok Sabha election and the Congress returned to power as the core of the United Progressive Alliance. What looks like surpassing all the divisions and clashes of the past is the current and constantly escalating confrontation between the ruling Congress party and the principal Opposition party, the BJP, the only two mainstream parties in the country.



Remarkably, until October last, the BJP, having been thrashed in the May 2009 Lok Sabha poll, was in utter disarray. But then it suddenly rallied because of the Congress party’s acute vulnerability due a spate of shameless corruption cases climaxed by the 2G-Spectrum scam. The ruling combination’s stubborn refusal to accept the BJP’s demand for a Joint Parliamentary Committee to investigate this loot isolated it. For, almost all other Opposition parties, including those that dislike the saffron party, joined it to pillory the Congress.



The entire winter session of Parliament was disrupted because of this stand off. Since Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s belated offer to appear before the Public Accounts Committee has cut no ice, and the Congress remains opposed to the JPC, there is no knowing what will happen to Parliament’s Budget session, a month away. Meanwhile, the Congress’ cup of misery has been filled to the brim by a series of developments, principally the spiral of rising prices, especially of the essential food items that are now beyond the reach of the lower middle-class and are causing hardship even to the middle middle-class.



So far the Congress was at the receiving end, and the BJP could preen itself on having regained the political initiative and revived its fortunes. But, as it has done often in the past, the BJP has embarked on venture that can do no credit to it and is almost certain to damage in national interest, and that too in the sensitive state of Jammu and Kashmir. In a gross and provocative manner it has chosen to repeat a ploy it had last tried out there in 1992. Its youth wing wants to hoist the national flag on Republic Day in Srinagar’s Lal Chowk. Why is it insisting on going ahead with a pointless gesture after nearly two decades it hasn’t bothered to explain. Nor has it paid any heed to J&K chief minister Omar Abdullah’s reasoned plea to desist so that the slow process of return of tranquility in the state after last year’s fraught situation is not disrupted. It rejected even Mr. Abdullah’s invitation to join the flag hoisting ceremony at the Bakhshi stadium only a stone-throw away from Lal Chowk where the saffron party’s venture might invite trouble.



Under the circumstances the chief minister cannot be blamed for having decided to take all necessary steps to prevent potential troublemakers from reaching their destination. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Activists of the BJP’s youth wing on way to Srinagar have been arrested and others trying to reach there from outside the state are being stopped at J&K’s border. This is what led to the arrival at Jammu of Shushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley, leaders of Opposition in the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha respectively. They, too, were denied entry. After a lot of high drama and low politics, they were arrested and “forcibly” sent back to Punjab. Even the BJP’s most important ally, Bihar’s chief minister, Nitish Kumar, was constrained to advise it to drop the foolhardy and dangerous venture even at this late stage, but to no avail.



Instead of heeding sage advice, the evidently irate BJP leaders are threatening even more dire action. In unbecoming language they are blaming both the Central and state governments of having “surrendered to Kashmiri separatists”, and claiming “patriotism” for only themselves. Strangely, they do not seem to realize that the people of India will not be taken in by their theatrics. The saffron party will end up damaging itself.



Kashmir, howeverm is not the only battleground between the BJP and the Congress-led combination. The two sides are engaged in a far more bitter war in the southern state of Karnataka. While in Kashmir the BJP alone is manifestly in the wrong, in the southern state both the combatants are equally to blame. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> As the Sarkaria Commission on Centre-State relations stated 27 years ago, the most misused and abused office of the Indian Republic is that of the governor. Expected to be non-partisan constitutional heads of the government of the states to which they are appointed, many, if not most, governors have tended to be promoters of the interests of the ruling party or coalition at the Centre. Consequently, the Sarkaria Commission had recommended that an active politician belonging to the ruling establishment at the Centre should not be appointed governor of a state ruled by a different party or combination.



Had the UPA government followed this sound principle, H. R. Bharadwaj, former Union law minister, would never have been sent to the Raj Bhavan in Bangalore. A prisoner of his old, highly partisan past he has been on the warpath with the BJP ministry of Karnataka from the word go. It would be unfair to say that Mr. Bharadwaj has always been in the wrong. He was entirely right, for instance, in demanding action against the fabulously rich Bellary Reddys who virtually control the state government, nominally headed by B. S. Yeddyurappa. But the governor’s unprecedented order giving some unknown lawyers permission to prosecute the serving chief minister was rash and not exactly non-partisan, to say the least.No wonder Mr. Yeddyurappa is calling the governor “an agent of the Congress” and senior BJP leaders have rushed to Rashtrapati Bhavan to demand Mr. Bharadwaj’s recall. It is doubtful if the Manmohan Singh government would advise the President to accede to this demand. But that does not diminish its validity. On the other hand, neither the Karnataka chief minister nor other protesting BJP leaders are lilywhite innocents. They may scream against corruption in New Delhi but bend over backwards to shield the egregiously corrupt in Bangalore. Mr. Yeddyurappa’s own hands or not exactly clean. He cannot deny that he “de-notified” land that was later acquired by his near relatives. Curiously, his excuse is that other chief ministers, preceding him, had done exactly the same thing. The most startling statement has come from the BJP chief, Nitin Gadkari, who says that the Karnataka chief minister’s action was “immoral” but not “illegal”.



It seems to occur to no one that a democracy in which even the minimum democratic norms are thrown to the winds by one and all is a democracy only in name.

Typical elder statesman rant that "all politicians are bad!"

[Bharatvarsh2]

Supreme Court dismisses plea to stop Haj subsidy



New Delhi, Jan 28: The Supreme Court Friday dismissed a petition by former Bharatiya Janata Party MP and Hindu ideologue Praful Goradia seeking the abolition of the subsidy given to Haj pilgrims.



"There is no force in this petition and it is dismissed," the court said.



The court also said that a "very small expenditure in proportion to the entire tax collected" was being spent on the pilgrims belonging to different religions.



The apex court bench of Justice Markandey Katju and Justice Gyan Sudha Misra also noted that "we must not be too rigid in these matters" and need to adopt a "balanced view".



"We cannot say that even if one paisa of the government is spent for a particular religion there will be violation of Article 27" (of the constitution), the court said.



The order observed that "despite its tremendous diversity, India is still united."



"Only policy which can work and provide for stability and progress is secularism and giving equal respect to all communities, sects and denominations etc," it further said.



Goradia had contended that the money given to the Haj pilgrims came from the direct and indirect taxes he and others paid to the exchequer and this was violative of the Articles 14, 15 and 27 of the constitution.

The petition underlined his Hindu identity.



The Article 27 of the constitution reads: "No person shall be compelled to pay any taxes, the proceeds of which are specifically appropriated in the payment of expanses for the promotion and maintenance of any particular religion or religious denomination."



The court said that there could be two views about Article 27. "One view can be that Article 27 is attracted only when the statute by which the tax is levied specifically states that the proceeds of the tax will be utilised for a particular religion."



"The other view", the court said, "can be that Article 27 will be attracted even when the statute is a general statute, like the Income Tax Act or the Central Excise Act or the State Sales Tax Acts (which do not specify for what purpose the proceeds will be utilized), provided that a substantial part of such proceeds are in fact utilised for a particular religion."



"In our opinion, if only a relatively small part of any tax collected is utilised for providing some conveniences or facilities or concessions to any religious denomination, that would not be violative of Article 27 of the constitution," the bench said.



"It is only when a substantial part of the tax is utilised for any particular religion that Article 27 would be violated," the judges observed.



Referring to the affidavit filed by the central government, the court noted: "State government incurs some expenditure for the Kumbh Mela, the central government incurs expenditure for facilitating Indian citizens going on pilgrimage to Mansarover."



The court also referred to the Punjab government providing "facilities to Hindus and Sikh pilgrims to visit temples and Gurdwaras in Pakistan."



It found no merit in Gordia's petition and dismissed it.



http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/full...34922.html#

Note that these two scumbags Katju and Misra were also the one's who expunged the SC's comments about Galilaean conversions to appease the corpse worshippers.



To their ridiculous justification here is what Elst had said in a reply to some Muslim fanatic:

> Reply: Furthermore, while the Haj subsidy is about Rs. 110-148 crores [Rs

1.1 to 1.48 Billion] , the government spends Rs. 450 crores [Rs 4.5 Billion]

on the Hindu festival of Kumbh Mela. The Haj subsidy will dwarf if all the

government subsidies to various Hindu rituals and festivals were taken into

account.<



This money is spent on electricity, sanitation etc., proper state duties for

the benefit of any citizens, equally provided to Muslim pilgrims to Ajmer

("the poor man's hajj"), not on the pilgrimage itself. On the contrary,

Hindu pilgrims to Hindu sites mostly have to pay special taxes on the spot,

contributing to the discharge of the said governmental duties.



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivi...sage/78957

[Capt M Kumar]

Backing the Centre's proposal to file a review petition challenging the apex court's ruling, the BJP on Tuesday said the government should take the statutory route if it fails to get relief from the court. "The government has rightly said it will seek a review. If not, the government must consider bringing in a legislation which explicitly says that membership of banned groups is an offence," leader of Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley told reporters here.





The apex court ruling came last week while setting aside a designated court judgement in the case of ULFA member Arup Bhuyan, convicted by a Guwahati court under the now lapsed anti-terror law, Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...456975.cms

[Capt M Kumar]

He plans to launch his own political platform in June, and the outfit will "100%" fight the next parliamentary polls in 2014. The ongoing nationwide mass contact programme -- Bharat Swabhiman Yatra that is on for the past five months -- lends credence to his serious bid to enter politics. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...523588.cms



Besides, this is the first time that he has clearly spelt out his political plans.



"I've to give a politial structure to this country to end corruption. Manmohan Singh is the honest prime minister of the most corrupt government ever. This government is not serious about tackling corruption. The sole criteria for joining my party will be honesty.

[Capt M Kumar]

“A Saint vs. A Patriot” by Sh Lavakare (emphasis added):

…That same cocktail of political ideology had previously caused President K R Narayanan to sit so long on the Vajpayee government’s recommendation of a Bharat Ratna for Savarkar that it was finally forced to wither away. It’s the same ideology that recently boycotted the ceremony to install Veer Savarkar’s portrait in Parliament and even appealed to the nation’s President to refrain from unveiling the portrait.



It was perverse enough that this bunch of democratically elected leaders should have shown total irreverence to the norms of parliamentary democracy by daring to obstruct a decision of a Parliamentary committee that included representatives of that cocktail. What is worse is that in opposing Savarkar’s posthumous entry into Parliament, this bunch of politicking creatures overlooked the totality of the revolutionary and inspiring incandescence of freedom that was lit by him in the early 20th century when the country’s British masters were crushing our aspirations and milking our resources. www.Savarkar.org

To round off this tribute, a couple of quotes on Veer Savarkar courtesy, “Rediscovering Gandhi by RP Misra. The first by C Rajagopalachari,



Savarkar was a symbol of courage, bravery and patriotism, an ’abhitirth’ in the long battle for freedom.



And this one by the late PM Indira Gandhi:



Savarkar was a great figure of contemporary India and his name is by-word for daring and patriotism. He was cast in a mould of a classic revolutionary and countless people drew inspiration from him.



Additional references: An essay on Veer Savarkar by Sanjeev Nayyar based on Dhananjay Keer’s biography (can be downloaded from here) and Information on Savarkar gathered by British Secret Police between 1906-09 .



Related Post: “Eclipse of the Hindu Nation” – Excerpts from Chapter 1

[Capt M Kumar]

A Ramdev-type political party does not suit Congress either although it is unclear just how many of the guru's followers will actually end up voting on his directions. He does have a middle class TV appeal and the political challenge he posed over black money is not being disregarded.



The ruling dispensation was worried about the fallout of the yoga guru's campaign against black money and corruption, with Congress sources admitting that the guru could be a serious ache in the side. They believed if allowed to continue, Ramdev's campaign with backroom support from Sangh Parivar could generate strong public opinion against the government already facing stain of scams and scandals. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...843229.cms

[Guest]

pioneer.com

Bugging result of civil war in UPA Cabinet'



Washington: The alleged bugging of the office of Union Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee appears to be a result of civil war between the Cabinet Ministers of the UPA Government, senior BJP leader Arun Jaitley has said. “I have been finding the UPA II a puzzle as a Government. It is now obvious that some of the Cabinet Ministers have launched a war on the civil society and there are some who are at civil war at each other. And incidents of this kind that is the alleged bugging of the Finance Minister's office could directly be a result of this,” Jaitley said.

<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Capt M Kumar]

Govt wants veto on toothless Lokpal

July 05, 2011 1:01:01 AM



Arun Jaitley http://www.dailypioneer.com/350806/Govt-...okpal.html



A national upsurge against corruption is both legitimate and understandable. Recent instances of corruption have shaken the faith of people in the existing anti-corruption mechanism.



The cancer of corruption has impacted various institutions. The 2008 Vote of Confidence obtained by the UPA Government in the Lok Sabha was vitiated by political defections wherein bribery and corruption played a significant role. The Parliamentary Committee disregarded the overwhelming evidence of bribery and divided itself on political lines. There is no greater crime in a democracy than vitiating a parliamentary mandate through bribery. An act of bribery was covered up by parliamentary subversion. Despite three years of protests, the 2G scam remained unaccountable. It took a great deal of parliamentary pressures, media debates and judicial activism to bring some people to book. An international event like the Commonwealth Games was subverted due to allegations of corruption in the organisation of the games. The credibility of Indian media is adversely hit by allegations of ‘paid news’.