Godhra

07-29-2005, 05:43 AM

QUOTE Justice Buy-me-now-ji 
He is not only moron but fly-me-abroad-now-ji.
It just shows standard of Indian legal education and pathetic judiciary system.

08-03-2005, 07:32 PM

One more Godhra fire accused nabbed
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AHMEDABAD: One more accused in the Godhra train fire case of 2002 that triggered the communal violence in Gujarat was arrested on Wednesday.

With the arrest of Shaukat Abdullah Badam from Godhra, 140 km from here, 110 out of the 131 accused have been nabbed, police said.

Bharatvarsh · 12-16-2005, 09:33 PM

QUOTEThere are many conspiracy theories as to what happened that day. One of them speak of how the so called "Ram Sevaks" abused a Muslim tea-vendor, refused to pay up and when the vendor raised an alarm, they picked up his teenaged daughter who was with him and took her into the train. The vendor, alone without help, then ran to his locality in "Signal Falia" area to get help.

People only see what it convenient to their side. And with the BJP in power, they taught Indians to see things from an "us and them" perspective which completely distorts the truth. Will there ever be an investigation into Godhra?

Incidentally, the tea vendor in question still stays in the same area and will repeat his story to anyone who cares to listen. Do you care enough? 
This nonsense has been picked up from Islamic websites and has no truth in it, if the Ram Sevaks picked up the woman then why would Muslims set fire to the coach knowing that the women is still in there, even the noted secularwadi Vir Sanghvi noted this tactic of pinning the blame on the victims (in this case the Ram Sevaks) by Muslims and their secular cronies.

QUOTEConsider the following exhibits:

Exhibit A: Rajeel Sheikh's report on the Islamic site, ummahnews.org, dated March 2
Exhibit B: The anonymous email purportedly based on a report by Anil Soni, a journalist, undated and unsigned
Exhibit C: Peter Popham's report in The Independent of the UK
Exhibit D: Rajiv Chandrasekharan's report in The Washington Post
Exhibit E: Harsh Mander's article in The Hindustan Times and elsewhere

Exhibit A is from a site meant to rally the Muslim faithful. Here are a few excerpts about what allegedly happened in the Godhra railway station:

The kar sevaks started a quarrel with this stallholder too. While beating him and pulling his beard they are reported to have repeatedly shouted the slogan: "Mandir Ka Nirmaann Karo, Babur Ki Aulad ko Baahar Karo" (Start the construction of the temple, throw out the sons of Babar).
Hearing the chaos, the stallholder's 16-year-old daughter came to intervene. She pleaded with the kar sevaks to stop beating her father and leave him alone. The kar sevaks then carried off the young girl to the train and locked her inside one of the reserved compartments (S-6).

As the train started to move out of Godhra with the elderly man banging on the compartment doors, two stall vendors jumped onto the last bogey of the moving train and pulled the emergency stop chain to halt the train. The train came to a standstill about one kilometre away from the railway station.

Having been written for a site that specialises in Islamic sob stories, it, not surprisingly, provides a tale of Islamic victimhood. It relates a story (uncorroborated by anyone else) that the torching of the train happened because a Muslim vendor's daughter had been abducted by Hindus and forced into coach S-6 of the train.

There are some gaping holes in this story, which make it, literally, incredible. Why on earth would Muslims set fire to the coach where the alleged Muslim girl was? Why on earth would the Hindu men take the purported girl to a coach where their own womenfolk were sitting? And how come there was a mob of 2,000 Muslims ready and waiting with weapons and kerosene and petrol at 7 in the morning, anticipating this eventuality?

In any case, it also gives the impression that if a Muslim girl had in fact been abducted, that was sufficient provocation to burn alive 59 Hindu women and children. Isn't this a little excessive? But according to the 'intelligentsia', it was fully justified: these were Hindu activists, including Hindu activist babies and Hindu activist ten-year-olds and Hindu activist women. Obviously, because of their ties to Ayodhya, or so went the media logic articulated in many columns, they invited the justified wrath of the Muslims. They only have themselves to blame, these dangerous Hindu activist babies and women and children.

Now we come to Exhibit B, verbatim excerpts, as received via email.

Then about 7:00 to 7:15 am the train reached Godhra railway station. All the karsevaks came out from their reserved compartments and started to have tea and snacks, at the small tea stall on the platform, which was being run by an old bearded man from the minority community. There was a servant helping this old man in the stall. The karsevaks on purpose argued with this old man and then beat him up & pulled his beard. This was all planned to humiliate the old man since he was from the minority community. These kar sevaks kept repeating the slogan, "Mandir ka nirmaan karo, Babar ki aulad ko bahar karo. (Start building the mandir and throw out the sons of Babar.) Hearing the chaos, the daughter (16) of the old man who was also present at the station came forward and tried to save her father from karsevaks. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the karsevaks lifted the young girl and took her inside their compartment (S-6) and closed the compartment door shut. The train started to move out of the platform of Godhra railway station. The old man kept banging on the compartment doors and pleaded to leave his daughter.

Just before the train could move out completely from the platform, two stall vendors jumped into the last bogey that comes after the guard cabin. And with the intention of saving the girl they pulled the chain and stopped the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was 1km away from the railway station. These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door and requested the karsevaks to leave the girl alone....

Exhibit B is an unsigned Internet email that I got from some readers, purportedly written by Anil Soni, a PTI reporter. I contacted Anil Soni to ask about the veracity of this account. He said, "Some enemy of mine has done this to make life difficult for me. Do you understand, sir? I did not write this at all. I am a PTI correspondent. Yes, that is my phone number, but it is not my writing." He apparently had heard from hundreds of people, and he was very upset.

Exhibit B is clearly mischievous. It is almost believable: a key attribute of good propaganda. Goebbels would have approved. It was sent to me by a dozen people, who told me it was the true story of what happened. Clearly, it has made the rounds of the email lists. It can be seen that Exhibit B is basically Exhibit A with:

a. A number of little rhetorical flourishes added -- imaginative, creative fiction -- and some semi-literate writing added. A fine touch, that!
b. A master-stroke: a poor reporter's name and phone numbers, and that too valid ones, added.
c. An apologia for the Congress mayor of Godhra, a Muslim, who is accused of being the mastermind in the torching of the train, added.

No prizes for guessing who the anonymous author of Exhibit B might be. An axiom: what you see on email is not always the truth, the whole truth or nothing but the truth. See how easily Exhibit B has been manufactured; see how easily large numbers of people have apparently been taken in. And the beast refuses to die even when discredited.

Now we come to Exhibit C.

At Godhra, a similar scene ensued. The karsevaks, now noisily drunk, poured on to the platform, ordered more tea and snacks, consumed them, and then made difficulties. Exactly what transpired between the bearded Muslim stallholder and the travellers varies from one account to another. But all witness accounts seen by The Independent agree that there was a row. "They argued with the old man on purpose," one witness said, on condition of anonymity. "They pulled his beard and beat him up... They kept repeating the slogan 'mandir ki nirmaan karo, Babar ki aulad ko bahar karo'. (Build the temple and throw out the Muslims...)"

Suddenly the row took a dangerous new turn: the karsevaks grabbed hold of a Muslim woman. Her identity, and how she became involved, remains ambiguous, but four different witnesses mention this event. One says it was the 16-year-old daughter of the abused tea-seller. She "came forward and tried to save her father". Another mentions a woman washing clothes by the railway line being hauled away. A third describes how a Muslim girl wearing a burqa and taking a shortcut to school through the station platform was pounced on and dragged into the carriage. All agree that a Muslim woman was hauled into the carriage by the karsevaks, who slammed the door and would not let her go. Refusing to be quoted by name, a local policeman confirms the story.

The woman seized by the karsevaks was dragged into compartment S/6, and word of what had happened began to spread. "The girl began screaming for help," said Ahmed, a wood dealer who was waiting for a train going the other way. "Muslims who were travelling on the train got off. People began pouring on to the platform to try to rescue her. I ran home -- I could see trouble was brewing..."

The train moved off, and the gathering crowd began pelting the carriage with bricks. Inside the train, someone pulled the emergency cord; the train stopped, then moved off again; the cord was pulled again 1km out of the station, and this time the train stopped and stayed stopped. "People in the vicinity... started to gather near the train," says one witness. "The mob... requested that the karsevaks return the girl. But instead of returning the girl, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob..."

See how Peter Popham has further embellished the story that Rajeel Sheikh invented? These anonymous 'witnesses' may well be telling a well-rehearsed lie. I am reminded of "lithe and strong like a tiger" from the great Costa-Gavras film Z. This is also an excellent example of how the Western media and Indian media live off each other's lies. Francois Gautier has more than once made the point about the venal foreign press corps in India. Popham seems to be one of the worst offenders:

Now Exhibit D.

GODHRA, India, March 5 - For two days, as the Sabarmati Express snaked across northern India, some Hindu activists in cars S-5 and S-6 carried on like hooligans. They exposed themselves to other passengers. They pulled headscarves off Muslim women. They evicted a family of four in the middle of the night for refusing to join in chants glorifying the Hindu god Ram. They failed to pay for the tea and snacks they consumed at each stop. When the train pulled into this hardscrabble town in Western India on the morning of Feb. 27, the reputation of its rowdiest passengers preceded it. When they refused to pay for their food, Muslim boys among the vendors at Godhra station stormed the train....

'Hindu activists' were 'hooligans', but Muslim 'boys' (so innocent!) stormed the train. Clearly, the wives and daughters of the 'hooligans' deserved to be incinerated by the offended 'boys'. Chandrasekharan claims that Hindus stockpiled rocks on the train. Yes, in the ladies' reserved compartment. He also claims that there were cooking gas cylinders and kerosene containers on board the train, and that these were what had caught fire: not firebombs and Molotov cocktails thrown by the Muslim mob. Innovative, inventive fiction writers indeed are the purveyors of 'secularism'!

If this reporter had been in Rwanda during the time of their troubles, I suspect he would have accused the Tutsis burned to death in churches of provoking their Hutu murderers by, among other things, pleading for their lives. Or then, maybe not: his contempt is reserved for Hindus.

Not once does Chandrasekharan, or anybody else, mention that the murdered were Hindu pilgrims, going at their own expense on a long and tiring rail journey to a site holy to them. They are 'activists', 'extremists', 'fundamentalists'. In contrast, Muslim pilgrims going on pilgrimage to their holy sites get a subsidy from the Indian government to fly in comfort to Jeddah. This probably wouldn't strike an impartial observer from Mars as entirely fair.

Let us remember that Rajiv Chandrasekhar was in the news during the Afghan war for getting kicked out of Pakistan by Musharraf's minions, for the 'crime' of being of Indian origin. His behaviour here smacks of someone trying to demonstrate that he is more sympathetic to Islam than Muslims themselves are. Dhimmitude (or is it 'dhimmitva'?) leaps to mind. Maybe Musharraf will now invite him to Pakistan, now that he has demonstrated what a good little 'secularist' he is. All is forgiven, Rajiv!

Finally, Exhibit E is in a class by itself. It is not about Godhra, but about the riots in Gujarat that followed. It is written by a person who got a lot of credibility solely (and this is a critical point, as nobody had heard of Harsh Mander before) by identifying himself as a serving IAS officer who is on deputation to an NGO.

This brings up some interesting questions right there: why are IAS officers deputed to NGOs? Why this straddling of two worlds? We have heard a lot about NGOs being tools for all sorts of Western agendas, especially evangelism, in India.

Numbed with disgust and horror, I return from Gujarat ten days after the terror and massacre that convulsed the state. My heart is sickened, my soul wearied, my shoulders aching with the burdens of guilt and shame. As you walk through the camps of riot survivors in Ahmedabad, in which an estimated 53,000 women, men, and children are huddled in 29 temporary settlements, displays of overt grief are unusual. People clutch small bundles of relief materials, all that they now own in the world, with dry and glassy eyes. Some talk in low voices, others busy themselves with the tasks of everyday living in these most basic of shelters, looking for food and milk for children, tending the wounds of the injured. But once you sit anywhere in these camps, people begin to speak and their words are like masses of pus released by slitting large festering wounds. The horrors that they speak of are so macabre that my pen falters in the writing. The pitiless brutality against women and small children by organised bands of armed young men is more savage than anything witnessed in the riots that have shamed this nation from time to time during the past century...

What can you say about a woman eight months pregnant who begged to be spared. Her assailants instead slit open her stomach, pulled out her foetus and slaughtered it before her eyes. What can you say about a family of nineteen being killed by flooding their house with water and then electrocuting them with high-tension electricity...

I have never known a riot, which has used the sexual subjugation of women so widely as an instrument of violence in the recent mass barbarity in Gujarat. There are reports every where of gang-rape, of young girls and women, often in the presence of members of their families, followed by their murder by burning alive, or by bludgeoning with a hammer and in one case with a screw driver....

I'm afraid Harsh Mander's report is also literally incredible, but it shows a flair for fiction. The purple prose and hyperbole, the wringing of hands and beating of breasts, the stories about pregnant woman being disembowelled and mass rapes, and in particular the truly novel bit about mobs dressed in khakhi shorts and wearing saffron sashes (RSS uniforms, to the uninitiated); all this seems a little overblown. Mander has taken reports from every known pogrom and attributed them all to Gujarat, with a little local colour thrown in about saffron sashes. I like that detail: as though the RSS were stupid enough, with plenty of television cameras around, to parade around in their regalia even if they were the culprits.

Consider, for example, Mander's assertion that sexual violence against women in Gujarat was on an unprecedented scale (this is calculated to get emotions running high in the Muslim community which is very proprietary about its women's virginity and chastity: note the honour killings of women that take place widely in Muslim nations). The National Commission of Women said "that the reports on crimes against women belonging to the minority community are exaggerated and that sexual violence did not take place 'on that scale'."

What is also interesting is how his righteous indignation at minorities being hurt was not triggered by the December 2001 incidents of Hindus being murdered, raped, ethnically cleansed and deported from Bangladesh, even though he is responsible for the entire subcontinent for his NGO. Also, where was his indignation when in 1984 several thousand Sikhs were massacred by Congress goons in Delhi? Why, is it only Muslim pain that causes Mander to hurt?

Mander is with ActionAid, a British 'charity'. Is Mander's anguish the official voice of ActionAid? If so, why is a foreign NGO, especially one that has been accused of covert Christian evangelism, interfering in India's internal affairs? If not, why does ActionAid refuse to distance itself from Mander's reports? (Krishen Kak, a retired IAS officer, who filed a complaint about Mander, did contact them several times, but they refused to comment.) Is the alleged fact-finding mission's report from Britain that has caused such a furore based on ActionAid/Mander's liberally embroidered 'findings'?

I would also like to know what ActionAid does for the Hindus and Sikhs being massacred systematically and regularly in Jammu & Kashmir. What has Mander done for the 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits in refugee camps? Without evenhandedness, Mander is grandstanding. I wonder if he has political ambitions. I have seen his email that suggests he decided to abandon the IAS two years ago, but chose to have his cake (the IAS as a fallback option with full pension and benefits) and eat it too (enjoy the lavish MNC perks of an NGO). Perhaps like Arundhati Roy he is also planning to become a martyr en route to greater things (Nobel Peace Prize in her case, politics in his?). His highly publicised 'resignation' from the IAS may have been part of this planned show of conscience.

With motivated friends like these 'intellectuals' above, who says India needs enemies?

Let me also give you a few other snippets I have gathered with much trouble from the media. These relate to the events in Godhra before the train was attacked.

1. A group of outsiders from the extremist Deobandi Tableeghi Muslim sect had taken over the mosques in Godhra and deliberately inflamed passions (India Today, March 18, 2002)
2. 500 cows were slaughtered illegally in Bharuch in February. Cow slaughter is prohibited in Gujarat, and Hindus consider this a deliberate provocation by Muslims (Outlook, April 1, 2002)
3. Firefighters testified that when their tenders rushed to the scene of train fire, they were prevented from reaching the scene by a mob led by Haji Bilal, one of the main accused (India Today, date unknown, and The Hindustan Times, March 18, 2002)
4. The original plan was to torch the entire Sabarmati Express at a place called Chanchlav, near Godhra. This was revealed by a SIMI militant named Hasim, alias Syed Raza. The plot was foiled because the train was late by five hours (The Pioneer, April 18, 2002 and Gujarat Samachar, date unknown).
5. The intent was to create massive communal disturbances all over the country (The Pioneer, April 18, 2002 and Gujarat Samachar, date unknown).

So why are these apparent facts, which buttress the suggestion that the Godhra massacre was not spontaneous, but part of a planned communal conflagration, not debated in the media? The intent, and to some extent the outcome, are clear: to divert all of India's attention away from the war situation with Pakistan; to cause yet another Budget to become ineffective; to help the Congress come to power; to make Indians defensive and thus more likely to cave into pressure on other items.

Finally, I repeat myself: why has nobody published the details about the nameless victims of the Godhra massacre? Why is it that the public is being told to think of them as mere numbers, in fact 'Hindu militants', 'Hindu activists', etc which imply that they got what they deserved? These were just pilgrims; despite looting Hindu temples, the Indian State does not provide Hindu pilgrims with subsidised travel, for instance to Manasarovar.

I repeat myself again: the English-language media and the alleged 'intelligentsia' of India are a major part of the problem, as they suffer from self-imposed dhimmitude and the Marxist propensity for lies on a gross scale. Until they learn to at least have a semblance of evenhandedness, they will continue to be mere Pied Pipers: evil people, Ugly Journalists with no ethics, leading people to their doom.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/13rajeev.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/14rajeev.htm
People who repeat such nonsense are obviously in good company with Jihadis.

Bhootnath · 01-07-2006, 07:32 PM

How come only TOI has put this , though I saw it in print , tucked somewhere in 9/10th page.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...357590.cms

Jokes

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NEW DELHI: More than a year after a sting operation charged a Gujarat BJP MLA with having induced Zahira Sheikh to turn hostile, the SC on Tuesday said its probe committee has failed to find any link between the legislator and payment of bribes to the key witness in the Best Bakery case.

MLA Madhu Srivastava and Congress corporator Chandrakant Batthoo Srivastava, named in the sting operation conducted by a portal, however, got an adverse inference from the committee that was set up by the court after social activist Teesta Setalvad moved an application seeking an inquiry into Zahira's flip flops.

A Bench comprising Justices Arijit Pasayat and H K Sema, hearing arguments on the acceptability of the inquiry report, said though the inquiry officer had drawn adverse inference against them, no evidence was found to show that they had actually paid her money, despite the video tape.

 Zahira's counsel D K Garg trashed the inquiry report, which indicted her as a "self-condemned liar". He termed it as a bundle of "baseless allegations" and "distortion of facts". He said the committee was biased and did not go into the allegations levelled by her against Teesta.

What would be the bearing of the inquiry report on the trial that was held at Mumbai? None, since the court clarified: "Even if the report is accepted, the trial court will be on its own to frame its opinion regarding Zahira."

During the hearing, Justice Pasayat said: "If Zahira changed her version on her own then she will face the music." The court had ordered a retrial and transferred the case to Mumbai after setting aside the earlier trial court order - which was upheld by the Gujarat High Court - acquitting all 21 accused in the case.

On Tuesday, the SC also accepted the request of the Mumbai court to extend the time for completion of the trial by February 2006.

Bhootnath · 01-07-2006, 07:34 PM

I think this link and content shld be posted all over various newsgroups , its very important , lest accusation will fly arround like "Jhabua rape"

01-07-2006, 09:41 PM

QUOTEHow come only TOI has put this , though I saw it in print , tucked somewhere in 9/10th page.
Thats how dork Indian media works. Very quick to blame and too late to clear air.

**acharya** · 01-11-2006, 05:42 AM

Perhaps it is illustrate what is happening in the rush to political expediency in the media. See an article from SATP/ Pinkerton in 2002.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/ajaisahni/Pink140302.htm

QUOTEMoreover, from the BJPâs perspectives at the Centre, the outcome has been disastrous, with many of its crucial coalition partners threatening to withdraw support if it did not take a unambiguous stand on Ayodhya against the Hindu fundamentalist forces, and this issue has certainly weakened the government. Despite the VHP Temple campaign, moreover, there had been no violence â and little expectation of violence â prior to February 27. The sheer fury and savagery of the Godhra incident that triggered the State-wide carnage, consequently, was entirely unexpected.

There is more than what immediately meets the eye here. Investigators have now uncovered clear linkages with Pakistan-based terrorists and the leaders of the Godhra incident. Arrests include the President of the Godhra Municipal Council, and another three councillors, including Bilal Haji, are absconding. Evidence recovered includes photographs showing Haji with the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist groupâs leader, Masood Azhar, as well as others of various terrorist training camps. Haji was also linked to Harkat-ul-Jehad-Islami (HuJI) cadres arrested earlier at Kolkatta in connection with the attack on the United States Information Service Centre there. Interrogations have indicated that five Pakistanis, among a number of other âoutsidersâ had been hosted by the Municipal councillors and a local Imam at Godhra prior to the attack, and were involved in the conspiracy. Clearly, as the earlier patterns of Pakistanâs interventions in India â including support to terrorism in J&K and other theatres â become increasingly untenable, it will continue to explore and exploit alternatives rooted in the faultlines within the Indian social and political structure.

Godhra was an exceptionally suitable place to hatch and execute such a plot. It has a long history of communal violence, and has, moreover, a flourishing criminal economy organised almost exclusively on a communal basis. Gujarat, in its entirety, moreover, has become a communal tinderbox, with the State government squarely rooted in the right wing âHindutvaâ ideology. There has also been a continuous process of Islamist mobilisation among the Stateâs minority community, and this has combined with a flourishing underworld that has profited immensely from the smuggling of arms, contraband and silver from Pakistan to Bombay via Gujarat. A very significant proportion of this money has been cornered by religious extremists, both Hindu and Muslim. Criminal gangs, moreover, openly take sides in communal riots, and are integral to the processes of sectarian political mobilisation.

Question:
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE EVIDENCE OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN FOR THE GODHRA "ACCIDENT"?

Either:
a) There was none - it was all imaginary "evidence".
b) There are interests in India that actively suppress evidence of Paki complicity in terror, because the alternative would be to actually gird up and ACT against Pakistan
c) N. Modi called up P. Musharraf and told him to send some ISI Mujaheddin to Godhra to start the fires, while a 4000-strong mob of Muslim VHP fundamentalists threw stones at the sleeper coach to keep the passengers from waking up and walking out the (supposedly) open doors on the other side of the train.

Which should I believe?

If, as I suspect, it is (b), then the prognosis for India is really really dim - there is no deterrence at all to massive terrorist attacks by Pakis. Including JDAMS.

03-03-2006, 10:13 PM

He want witness and rest of world to believe his lies. What moron he is ?

Godhra an accident: Banerjee panel QUOTEThe Justice UC Banerjee Committee on Friday said the February 27, 2002 blaze in the Sabarmati Express at Godhra was "accidental".

The Committee rubbished the Sangh Parivar's "conspiracy theory' hatched against Hindus.

The Godhra incident claimed 59 lives and triggered widespread riots in Gujarat.

In its final report presented to Railway Board Chairman JP Batra at Rail Bhavan in New Delhi on Friday evening, the committee reiterated that the fire [B was "accidental" and "not a deliberately attempted" incident.[/B]

After receiving the report, Batra said he would examine it.

Justice Banerjee later told reporters that his final report was a reiteration of the earlier conclusion that the blaze was "accidental" in nature.
................

Next report from him will be, it was mass sucide by Hindu woman and kids. They were trying to be Sati.

03-03-2006, 10:48 PM

i must say hats off to the congress.. when they need a p-sec opinion they due-ly appoint a (most prolly) marxist bengali to head the committee.

if the fire was indeed accidental, why the hell should it break out on godhra station where muslims were gathered outside??

03-04-2006, 07:03 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 3 2006, 10:13 PM)Next report from him will be, it was mass sucide by Hindu woman and kids. They were trying to be Sati.
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Sounds like Hindu conspiracy in line with jewish conspiracy stories around the world !!!

03-04-2006, 07:22 AM

QUOTEBJP terms report 'absurd and devoid of logic'
Pioneer News Service / New Delhi
The Opposition BJP on Friday rejected the UC Bannerjee Committee report on the Godhra train carnage as "absurd" and an "extra constitutional effort to influence the course of justice".

"It's a document that has no credibility," said BJP general secretary Arun Jaitley. He pointed out that the chargesheet that had been filed before the court had ample evidence of the place from where petrol was purchased and where it was stored.

The BJP spokesman challenged the legal basis of the report as a criminal trial was already on and a two-member commission of inquiry was conducting an open probe in the case.

"The matter is a criminal case and should be decided in court. This is not something that can be decided by a departmental inquiry," Mr Jaitley insisted.

The BJP is of strong view that the enter exercise of appointing the committee by the UPA Government was politically motivated. "This is an extra-constitutional effort to influence the course of justice. It is completely beyond the scope of the Railway Ministry," Mr Jaitley added.

Though the full report of the Committee is yet to be made public, the BJP leaders are struck by the fact that the remarks made by Juctice UC Banerjee on Friday to mediapersons after handing it over to Railway Board Chairman JP Batra carried a familiar refrain.

"His logic and conclusions in the final report are the same as were put forward when he submitted the interim report in January last year on the eve of crucial Bihar elections. Like the interim report, the final report is also absurd and devoid of any logic," a BJP leader said.

He dubbed the final report as a reproduction of the interim report and alleged that the entire exercise was politically motivated.

"The committee was constituted with political motives by Rail Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav, whose party used the Gujarat incidents as its main election plank. The results of the report are therefore politically motivated," he pointed out.

The BJP is confident that, like the committee's interim report, the final report would fail to serve the political objective of the ruling UPA. The party is confident that the court verdict in the Godhra train fire case would bring out the truth and expose the hollowness of the Committee's reasoning.

03-05-2006, 10:46 PM

BJP warns Centre against President's rule in GujaratQUOTE"If Centre dared to impose President Rule in the state using the report, the Narendra Modi-led BJP will again come to power with thumping majority in the state assembly as Modi is a popular leader of the Gujarat state," BJP president Rajnath Singh told reporters.

"It was a politically motivated report and made public on the eve of elections to the five state assemblies for deriving political mileage," Singh alleged.

03-07-2006, 01:11 AM

Cong tries to woo back Muslims after Bush visitâ

Press Trust Of India
Posted online: Monday, March 06, 2006 at 1754 hours IST
Updated: Monday, March 06, 2006 at 1755 hours IST

New Delhi, March 6: Terming as "disgraceful" the disruption of Parliamentary proceedings by non-NDA members on the Godhra issue, the Opposition BJP today slammed it as an attempt by the Congress to woo back its Muslim supporters in the aftermath of US President George Bush's visit.

"It is perhaps for the first time that members of the ruling party have stormed the Well of the House and disrupted proceedings. It is the same Congress party which had once accused us of wasting valuable Parliament time and money and made Rahul Gandhi sit near Mahatma Gandhi's statue in protest", party spokesman V K Malhotra told reporters here.

Criticising the government for making public the report without tabling it in Parliament, he recalled that after the interim report of the U C Banerjee committee was made public ahead of the Bihar Assembly elections, the NDA not only won in the state but also swept the Gujarat civic polls.

"Even the Muslims in both states did not vote for the Congress. The Banerjee report being made public when the Supreme Court is monitoring the probe and Nanavati Commission is investigating the matter shows the race for minority votes, particularly in the wake of the large scale protests by Muslims against the Bush visit," he said.

Charging the non-NDA parties with "losing their balance "for vote bank politics, Malhotra accused justice Banerjee with "discrediting the institution by giving pliable and amenable statements". He also reiterated the party's charge that the Indo-US nuclear deal "as it is before us" is not in India's interests.

03-07-2006, 01:37 AM

Letter in HT
QUOTEIndian Snapshot
Here is why there is a Hindu backlash 

The lone survivor of the Sabarmati Express train fire at Godhra in which 59 kar sevaks were killed on February 27, 2002, Gayatri Panchal, a resident of Ahmedabad, has decried the UC Banerjee Commission report.

Though she survived, she lost both her parents that day. She has decried the UC Banerjee Commission report and has said:

âI will stick to the version that the coach was attacked by an armed crowd. The report of the Banerjee Commission is absolutely wrong. I have seen everything with my own eyes and barely escaped myself but lost both my parents. Mobs pelted stones at the coach for long and then threw in burning rags and also poured some inflammable material so that the coach was on fire. I will maintain the same wherever I am called to depose on the matter.â 

The tragedy and the comedy of the whole matter is that Justice Banerjee has not chosen to examine this lone survivor of the ghastly accident and this fact by itself will invalidate his whole report as one-sided, biased, prejudiced, illegal and unconstitutional. 

All human rights have been violated by his pointed failure to examine this lone survivor. Amnesty International should take note of the casual and contemptuous attitude of this careerist judge who has completely ignored the lone survivor and come to the conclusion that the whole incident was accidental and not an act of a terrorist.

Arvind Pandya, a Gujarat government advocate, handling the Sabarmati train carnage inquiry at Nanavati Commission, has rightly termed Justice UC Banerjee report as âobliqueâ and âpre-decidedâ. He has observed, âIf the report says that the fire in the S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express train was accidental, then why does it not explain the presence of an armed and rioting mob next to the train?â

Pandya has also questioned Banerjee Commission's reasons for not taking into consideration the detailed report of the forensic laboratory of Gujarat that had pointed out that at least 60 litres of inflammable liquid had to be poured into the coach for it to catch fire in the manner that the S-6 of Sabarmati coach had caught fire on February 27, 2002.

Justice Nanavati and Justice Shah appointed by the Government of Gujarat have examined thousands of witnesses and several thousands are still waiting to give evidence. One Bhatia has filed a PIL case in the Gujarat High Court on the Constitutional validity of the appointment of the Banerjee Commission and this case is still pending.

The Gujarat High Court has requested that the implementation of the Banerjee Commission report should be kept in abeyance till final orders are passed in the case before it. When such is the case, Justice Banerjee has been able to give an interim finding based on non-saffron UPA coalition politics within a period of 90 days and to later confirm his own finding with a final magisterial verdict that the whole thing is a cock and bull story.

To say the least, his report is snappy, short, biased, prejudiced and one-sided. In these days of instant coffee and instant ârasamâ, he has given an instant report in the manner and measure called for. Having given his report as directed by the UPA Government in New Delhi, can we not imagine that he now awaits his further career prospects by way of appointment as Governor, India's High Commissioner or Ambassador, or conferment of decorations ranging from Padma Shri to Bharat Ratna, depending upon his luck, pluck and influence.

With men like Buta Singh and Natwar Singh out of his way, his prospects do seem to be very bright.

Perhaps, this will open the eyes of Vir Sanghvi.

- Hitanshu Munjial (March 6, 2006)
Hitanshu_Munjial@rediffmail.com

03-07-2006, 01:41 AM

HT letter
QUOTEGodhra train fire accidental: Probe panel

Justice Nanavati who heads the commission inquiring into the Godhra riots had said in January 2005 that he was in possession of evidence that suggested the fire which gutted the S-6 coach of Sabarmati Express started from outside.

Justice Nanavati said the evidence in his possession indicated that at Godhra station, some persons forced their entry into the coach carrying kar sevaks after cutting the vestibule. 

UC Banerjee, apparently at the behest of Lalu Yadav and other super-pseudo secularists, has given a contrary "report" which is an insult to commonsense.

On April 12, 1919 more than 2,000 people died in a place called Jallianwalla Bagh. If Justice Banerjee had inquired into it he would probably have found that too was an âaccidentâ.

- cogito_ergo..., New Dehi, India (March 4, 2006)
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Godhra fire an accident: Report

I expected such a result from this Lalu Yadav sponsored panel. These peoples have Rs 50,00,00,000 to give for cutting head of Danish cartoonist can easily hired a lawyer to generate a report that they want.

I have seen some photos on Internet that clearly shows that Muslim mob throwing stones on Sabarmati Express that day. I want to post that link here but from last few months that photos or data remove from internet (This may be because of pressure of central government of Congress).

I am a graphic designer and I can easily find out the difference between real photographs and fake and those photographs were real.

Why these people who burnt alive didnât try to jump down the Sabarmati Express when was fire took place? The simple reason is that Muslim mob gathered there not allowed them to do so. 

I appeal to all the readers not to trust this UC Banerjee panel's report.

Also see:
http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?actio...s&id=20280 http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.as...45&sid=NAT

03-07-2006, 01:43 AM

QUOTEGodhra train fire accidental: Probe panel

The train fire was accidental just like the partition of India in 1947, the riots during partition, the violence in Kashmir since then. Kargil too was a total accident conducted some misguided Pakistani youths who could not read the map and just strolled into what they believed was Pakistan's jannat.

I guess, the Kashmiri Pandits too were not kicked out of Kashmir - they left because it was too cold, the riots that followed Godhra train fire was accident too, specially the famous Best Bakery fire, some bread fell from the oven and fire started.

Give us a break!

- DBK, Union City, USA (March 4, 2006)

03-07-2006, 02:09 AM

Million dollar question:
QUOTEâIf the report says that the fire in the S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express train was accidental, then why does it not explain the presence of an armed and rioting mob next to the train?â

03-07-2006, 03:01 AM

QUOTE(Sudhir @ Mar 7 2006, 02:09 AM)Million dollar question:
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03-07-2006, 05:09 AM

Indian Muslims and the netas they support are committing harakiri supporting idiots like Banerjee. To date people have not forgotten IMs for Godhra. On top of that all IMs have done is whine about the followup riots never really criticising the fanatics in their own fold for perpetrating Godhra. This last step of blaming the hindus for roasting themselves alive will complete the trap that IMs are preparing for themselves.

03-07-2006, 09:26 AM

Here comes answers from Banerjee.

Muslims put out Godhra fire, says Banerjee report
QUOTEQuoting from the deposition of Raju Bhargav, the then Panchmahal SP, the report says that Muslims not only permitted the district administration to use their (community) well but also provided a pump set to draw water to douse the flames.

Now you know why 2000 plus Muslims were standing, they were providing water to SP.

Banerjee thinks rest of world is carrying coconut over there shoulder as he does.

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