Blast In Mumbai's Suburban Train

07-11-2006, 11:50 PM

CNNQUOTEU.S. officials said the blasts followed a pattern of initiated by two Islamic terrorist groups -- Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed -- who focus on the territory of Kashmir, whose control is disputed by India and Pakistan

07-11-2006, 11:56 PM

QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 11 2006, 10:54 PM)Everyone here has the same reaction i read after 1993 blast, after Kargil and after every other terrorist attacks. the knowledgeable ones on this forum should have a better reaction than people on the street. sack manmohan, incompetent government, crapy police, blah blah blah.
If at all, people should come up with (or atleast start thinking towards) practical and simple plan of how to prevent this. Simply ranting and being angry on others is not gona prevent further attacks.
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First reaction is anger or sadness, then cursing, and then happy days are here again. A nice article from B.Raman. blah blah blah....
We have to go through complete ritual and hope our near dear don't make list in future.

How to protect future attack? I know we can't do anything. But anyway my regulars exercise to list few.

1) Stop Muslim appeasement.
2) Arrest politician who are terrorist, who harbor or share dais with known terrorist. Death penality to them with swift court.
3) No bail to terrorist sympathizers.
4) Punish media who sing praise for terrorist.
5) Seal borders, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
6) No peace process with Pakistan or Bangladesh.
7) Death to those who harbor or give financial or logistics support to terrorist.

Jayshastri, you know Indian govt won't implement any of these.

07-12-2006, 12:07 AM

QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 11 2006, 01:24 PM)Everyone here has the same reaction i read after 1993 blast, after Kargil and after every other terrorist attacks. the knowledgeable ones on this forum should have a better reaction than people on the street. sack manmohan, incompetent government, crapy police, blah blah blah.
If at all, people should come up with (or atleast start thinking towards) practical and simple plan of how to prevent this. Simply ranting and being angry on others is not gona prevent further attacks.
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The solution is knowledge. Make hindus aware that it is the soft-on-terror policies of UPA that is responsible for this. POTA/TADA was repealed and india is still opening up its borders to pakistan inspite of increasing terrorism. Unfortunately, desi media is controlled by commies who want downplay the issue of terrorism so that BJP does not gain from these blasts. The awareness among hindus is increasing, but blogs and forums cannot take the place of TVs and newspapers.

07-12-2006, 12:12 AM

<b>'God bless Mumbai</b>' --- witnessed by rediff readers

07-12-2006, 12:32 AM

India has become a helpless giant. Any other people would have exacted a terrible price from Pakistan and the terrorist gangs..Apeople who cannot defend themselves deserve nothing better,and eventually India will perish as a civilization.Maybe the price India has to pay to survive is to yell 'Allah o Akbar'at the slightest provocation, cover all its women in a burqah and lockthem up at home with out a drivers license. We cannot seem to come up with any other alternative

Sunder · 07-12-2006, 12:51 AM

QUOTE(Kaushal @ Jul 12 2006, 12:32 AM)India has become a helpless giant. Any other people would have exacted a terrible price from Pakistan and the terrorist gangs..Apeople who cannot defend themselves deserve nothing better,and eventually India will perish as a civilization.Maybe the price India has to pay to survive is to yell 'Allah o Akbar'at the slightest provocation, cover all its women in a burqah and lockthem up at home with out a drivers license. We cannot seem to come up with any other alternative
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I fully concur with this thought Kaushal garu. This is what has been echoing in my mind all along. I no longer feel angered or outraged when this happens. India has resigned itself to fate and is expecting someone else to fix the problem.

As long as there is no self-respect, there cannot be a redemption for Indians.

07-12-2006, 12:58 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 11 2006, 11:56 PM)
Jayshastri, you know Indian govt won't implement any of these.
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yes and she also knows why. cos like her the present bunch of fols at the indian govt worship gandhi and nehru.

07-12-2006, 01:01 AM

QUOTE(Sunder @ Jul 11 2006, 03:21 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaushal @ Jul 12 2006, 12:32 AM)India has become a helpless giant. Any other people would have exacted a terrible price from Pakistan and the terrorist gangs..Apeople who cannot defend themselves deserve nothing better,and eventually India will perish as a civilization.Maybe the price India has to pay to survive is to yell 'Allah o Akbar'at the slightest provocation, cover all its women in a burqah and lockthem up at home with out a drivers license. We cannot seem to come up with any other alternative
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I fully concur with this thought Kaushal garu. This is what has been echoing in my mind all along. I no longer feel angered or outraged when this happens. India has resigned itself to fate and is expecting someone else to fix the problem.

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Apart from the the commies and the psecs, part of the blame for hindu apathy should be laid at BJP's door. Why would any hindu vote on these issues anymore? The last time they did for BJP only resulted in BJP encashing the check and putting the ramjanmabhoomi issue to backburner. Hindus have resigned themselves to suffer. Everybody is shocked and outraged, but nothing more.

07-12-2006, 01:09 AM

QUOTE(Kaushal @ Jul 12 2006, 12:32 AM)India has become a helpless giant. Any other people would have exacted a terrible price from Pakistan and the terrorist gangs..Apeople who cannot defend themselves deserve nothing better,and eventually India will perish as a civilization.Maybe the price India has to pay to survive is to yell 'Allah o Akbar'at the slightest provocation, cover all its women in a burqah and lockthem up at home with out a drivers license. We cannot seem to come up with any other alternative
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true. just note how casually we treat event after tragic event.

in london and bali and new york nd madrid they hold aniversary gatherings and silent march and what not, to remind the people that their govt is strictly behind them and to remind the terrorists that they wont be allowed to get away with such acts and most of all to pay homage to innocent lives. in india all we see si the chief ministers announcing cash packages of rs. 2 lac, 1 lac or 50 thousand, depending on whether the victim died, lost 2 limbs or just one.

07-12-2006, 01:33 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 11 2006, 11:56 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayshastri @ Jul 11 2006, 10:54 PM)Everyone here has the same reaction i read after 1993 blast, after Kargil and after every other terrorist attacks. the knowledgeable ones on this forum should have a better reaction than people on the street. sack manmohan, incompetent government, crapy police, blah blah blah.
If at all, people should come up with (or atleast start thinking towards) practical and simple plan of how to prevent this. Simply ranting and being angry on others is not gona prevent further attacks.
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First reaction is anger or sadness, then cursing, and then happy days are here again. A nice article from B.Raman. blah blah blah....
We have to go through complete ritual and hope our near dear don't make list in future.

How to protect future attack? I know we can't do anything. But anyway my regulars exercise to list few.

1) Stop Muslim appeasement.
2) Arrest politician who are terrorist, who harbor or share dais with known terrorist. Death penality to them with swift court.
3) No bail to terrorist sympathizers.
4) Punish media who sing praise for terrorist.
5) Seal borders, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
6) No peace process with Pakistan or Bangladesh.
7) Death to those who harbor or give financial or logistics support to terrorist.

Jayshastri, you know Indian govt won't implement any of these.
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thank you for taking my call seriously enough, to respond. I hope more people can join in and we can start constructive and logical discussion on how to fix india.

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 11 2006, 11:56 PM)First reaction is anger or sadness, then cursing, and then happy days are here again
For comon men with limited inteligence not for people on this forum. People on this forum are special breed of indians. We are patriotic, inteligent and most of all interested enough in the well being of india to take the trouble of researching and writing our thoughts here.

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 11 2006, 11:56 PM)How to protect future attack? I know we can't do anything.We most certain can. may be not as soon or may be not in the way we know how to, but we most certainly can. Can you imagine how impossible the romans would have thought it to be to move water across the rough terrain? but they were determined to do it, so they 'invented' aquaducts, fountains, and water wheels (no one would have though in those times water could be made to flow upwards)

1) Stop Muslim appeasement

I agree. Unless India becomes a dictatorship or anarchy it is not possible to achieve that goal in a single stroke. So we must ask who all appease Muslims? Politicians. Why? Muslims are one strong Vote bank. Hindus are fragmented vote banks. If hindus become a bigger, stronger and most importantly reliable vote bank would the politician appease hindus? and in doing so can they stop appeasing Muslims? .. lets discuss.

2) Arrest politician who are terrorist, who harbor or share dais with known terrorist. Death penality to them with swift court.
Right. But these people are untouchables because they have supporters who can cause serious damage to innocent civilians disrupt regular life. So in order to punish them, they must be made to âfall from graceâ from their supporters first. Once they are separated they could be prosecuted safely. So, who are these politicians? Who are their supporters? What do the supporters support them for?

3) No bail to terrorist sympathizers.
Stronger unified public opinion is required to create and maintain a law to do this. lets discuss how.

4) Punish media who sing praise for terrorist.

Again possible in anarchy difficult in democracy as it is difficult to make a law like that. They might not be punished by law but could be punished by society. How? They could be distinctly, consistently and united identified as terrorist sympathizers by blogs, papers and TV media. Their reasoning for the sympathy should be found out and revealed in blogs, papers and TV and intellectual and emotional counter argument should be provided against their beliefs.

5) Seal borders, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Not physically possible by the government or army. People living on the borders should be given incentives to report and ward off intruders.

6) No peace process with Pakistan or Bangladesh.
Agree. Intellectual and emotional argument should be prepared in support of this and repeatedly brought out in blogs, Papers and TV.

7) Death to those who harbor or give financial or logistics support to terrorist.
Again not possible in Democracy unless such law is made. Unified and strong public opinion must be created in support of this. ..lets discuss how.

Jayshastri, you know Indian govt won't implement any of these.
If all the people want it badly enough. They would. ..lets discuss how.

07-12-2006, 01:42 AM

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I agree why hasn't it done so far? lack or knowledge, interest or hindus are just plain bad.

I would vote lack of knowledge, how do we fix that? ....lets discuss

07-12-2006, 01:54 AM

<b>LeT denies hand in Mumbai blasts </b>

sau chouhi khakar bili haj ko chali.

It means ISI is involved.

07-12-2006, 01:58 AM

QUOTE(Kaushal @ Jul 12 2006, 12:32 AM)India has become a helpless giant.


India is you and me. I certainly don't feel helpless. Himalay is high and huge but you only need a small track and a lots of will to climb it. Not a terribaly big feet.

QUOTE(Kaushal @ Jul 12 2006, 12:32 AM)Apeople who cannot defend themselves deserve nothing better,and eventually India will perish as a civilization.Maybe the price India has to pay to survive is to yell 'Allah o Akbar'at the slightest provocation, cover all its women in a burqah and lockthem up at home with out a drivers license. We cannot seem to come up with any other alternative
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They were all insignificant weeklings before they made it big.

romans- they were insignificant out casts that were driven out of neighboring kingdoms
Brits- were the weekest of all the european empires when the first step foot in India
Americans- were rag tag bunch of illequiped illtrained farmers with no navy or army. with little luck and determination became what they are.

The first rule of the game is 'never die in spirit before you die in body'

07-12-2006, 02:00 AM

I have resigned to the fact that we are ever going to retaliate. If that were the case the last 1000 years' history would have been different.

We can however discuss how to build infrastructure so that people who get injured (mostly urban areas) can better respond to such calamities - in terms of medicine, first aid, emergency room etc..

07-12-2006, 02:07 AM

We should not blame democracy for all flaws.
After 9/11, not a single terrorist attack took place on US soil, Why?
Simple reason, strict law enforcement, quick arrest, Scare etc all are working.
US govt is not listening liberalâs nonsense and govt agenda is to protect civilians not congressman or senators.
All are treated equally; even Al Gore and other leaders had to go through security checks. No excuse to politicians.

In India, politicians are biggest criminals and defy any law and come in between law enforcement.

In India, law enforcement agencies hands are tied by local politicians . Why no arrest after Jama Masjid blast? because it was inside job.
When ministerâs cars are used to transport RDX and weapons, what else anyone can do.

In place of common citizens they should start double checking politicians and their kins.

07-12-2006, 02:12 AM

QUOTEWe can however discuss how to build infrastructure so that people who get injured (mostly urban areas) can better respond to such calamities - in terms of medicine, first aid, emergency room etc
Have you seen how they were carrying injured?
Lack of experience in handling trauma patients. They were making injured people walk, one man with broken bones who couldn't stand was literally dragged.

07-12-2006, 02:18 AM

QUOTE<b>Maharashtra tops jihadi target </b>
Pioneer.com
Pioneer News Service | Mumbai
148 killed 8 blasts in 11 minutes ---- It was like a chronicle of a tragedy foretold. Mumbai was always a soft target. The heart of the Indian economy, the tinsel metropolis, which Prime Minister Manmohan Singh wanted to turn into Shanghai has had several close shaves with terror in the last few months. The signals should have been enough to keep intelligence agencies on high alert, round-the-year, round-the-clock.Â Â

Not just Mumbai. Indeed, the whole of Maharashtra was perched on a tinderbox with reports of explosives seizure pouring in on a daily basis from across the State.

The nature of recent terror strikes in India has shown a clear pattern: destabilise the nation's growth and trigger communal clashes. Mumbai was a natural target. The communal riots that followed the 1993 Mumbai blasts could have been reason enough for a repeat jihadis strike. But, while the 1993 blasts were reportedly provoked by the Babri demolitions, the absence of any such instigation for Tuesday's explosions strengthen the fear that jihadis were working on a systematic plot to create unrest in the country.

A look at the seizure of explosives in Maharashtra during the last few months presents an alarming picture of jihadi penetration.

A major crisis was averted in Nagpur on June 1, when the police foiled an attempt to blow up the RSS headquarters and gunned down three heavily armed militants in an encounter. Had the terrorists succeeded, the repercussions could have been far reaching.

The police had also recovered twelve hand grenades, three AKM (AK modified) rifles and a large amount of RDX. The amount of explosives seized was sufficient to blow up the RSS headquarters.

On May 14, Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister RR Patil admitted that the recent seizure of arms and explosives from Ellora in Aurangabad and from Manmad in Nasik district proved that the whole State was on the terrorists' hit list.

"In the past, we believed that Mumbai, the economic capital of the country is on the hit list of terrorists. But, last week's incidents proved that the whole State is on their list," Patil, who holds the Home portfolio said.

The Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) of Mumbai police arrested three suspected Lashkar-e-Tayyeba militants and seized 10 AK-47 rifles, 2000 rounds, 40 magazines and 30 kg RDX explosive from them in Ellora while it seized two boxes containing RDX and an AK-47 rifle from Ankai fort at Manmad in Nasik district on Thursday.

The quantity of explosives seized in Aurangabad and Nasik districts was far more than those used during the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts.

This was followed by the arrest of two persons, including a Pakistan-trained bomb maker. Two imported firearms and approximately one kilogram of highly inflammable high-grade explosive, besides maps of Maharashtra, Mumbai and Manali (Himachal Pradesh) were also recovered.

On May 14, the ATS seized five containers containing explosives after a raid on an electronic shop at Azad Nagar in Malegaon. Five boxes of explosives, including five AK-47 rifles, 13 kg of RDX, 1,000 live cartridges, 20 magazines and 50 hand grenades were recovered.

On October 22 last year, the Thane rural police seized 750 kg of ammonium nitrate and 700 detonators from a truck. The explosives packed in a gunny bag were hidden under 15 bags of onions and were being transported from Parner in Ahmednagar district to Vasai near here. Four people were arrested.

On October 6, the Thane police had found 180 kgs of ammonium nitrate, 200 simple fuses and 250 electronic triggers ostensibly meant for quarrying.

The frequent seizure of explosives in Maharashtra also figured in Parliament. Raising the issue in Rajay Sabha in the Budget session, Shiv Sena leader Manohar Joshi pointed out the seizure of RDX in Aurangabad, Manmad and Malegaon.

"This chain of finding out RDX, AK-47 rifles and grenades has worried everybody who stays in the State of Maharashtra. It seems that the whole of Maharashtra has become the godown of explosives. This has been brought by the terrorists and it is also suspected that these terrorists are supported by Pakistan," he had said.

<b>March 12, 1993: Serial blasts rock Mumbai, 257 killed, 713 injured
October 29, 1993: Blast at Matunga station, two killed, 40-plus injured
February 27, 1998: Two killed in blasts at Virar
December 2, 2002: Blast in bus at Ghatkopar, two killed, 49 injured
December 6, 2002: Blast at Mumbai Central station, 22 injured
January 27, 2003: Blast near Vile Parle station, Over 30 injured
March 13, 2003: Blast in train in Mulund, 13 killed, over 80 injured
July29, 2003: Blast in bus at Ghatkopar, three killed, 30-odd injured
August 25, 2003: Serial blasts at Javeri Bazar, Gateway of India, 55 killed, over 150 injured
May3, 2006: Blast in Chawl at Ghatkopar, one killed
July11, 2006: Serial blasts on trains on the western railway at six placesÂ </b>

07-12-2006, 02:22 AM

QUOTE<b>Voices of concern, outrage</b>
Pioneer News Service
We will work to defeat the evil designs of terrorists and will not allow them to succeed... The Government will take all possible measures to maintain law and order and defeat the forces of terrorismÂ
- Prime Minister Manmohan Singh

This Government has created an environment in which jihadi terrorists can act with impunity... this Government is guilty of robbing the country's population of all sense of security. It is ironic that while major world powers are toughening their anti-terror laws, the UPA Government is busy diluting them
- BJP president Rajnath Singh

Mumbai will function normally tomorrow. Schools, colleges, Government's offices will function like any normal day...And I am sure that the spirit of Mumbai will prevail over this situation
- Maharashtra CM Vilasrao Deshmukh

The blasts in Srinagar and Mumbai have put a question mark on the security preparedness of the UPA Government and the State Governments where the blasts have occurred...The Government needs to understand that they should give priority to security
- Leader of Opposition LK Advani

Deshmukhji is saying go back to business "happy days are here again".
Rest are as usual rant.

07-12-2006, 02:22 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 12 2006, 02:07 AM)We should not blame democracy for all flaws.

I am not blameing democracy i am drawing attention to the rules. we can very well win without breaking the rules we might have to change our asssumed solutions but we can still win the fight.

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 12 2006, 02:07 AM)After 9/11, not a single terrorist attack took place on US soil, Why?
Simple reason, strict law enforcement, quick arrest, Scare etc all are working.
US govt is not listening liberalâs nonsense and govt agenda is to protect civilians not congressman or senators.
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Comparision of US and India is most inappropriate. there are worst politicians and beuraucrates here than india would ever have. sending 200,000 troopes to iraq without any plans and for his personal reasons is something indian pm would never do.

for everthing else how can you compare worlds most powerful contry with friendly neighbors on all sides to worlds developing country like india that has enemy on all the sides? we sould be inspired by their lifestyle and aspire to acheve it but not compare and feel frustated about ourselves.

At this point Israel would be the next comparision and i could tell you that is silly too. But that does not matter now. we are indians and india is what we got. so how do we fix it?

07-12-2006, 02:30 AM

QUOTEChronology of major attacks in India By The Associated Press
2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Some of the major attacks carried out in India, many of them blamed on Islamic militants opposed to New Delhi's rule inÂ Â Â Â Kashmir:

â¢ 1993: Muslim underworld figures tied to Pakistani militants allegedly carried out a series of bombings that struck Bombay's stock exchange along with trains, hotels and gas stations in the city, killing 257 people and wounding more than 1,100.

â¢ December 2001: Islamic militants attacked India's Parliament in New Delhi, leaving 14 people, including several gunmen, dead. India blamed Pakistan, which denied involvement.

â¢ September 2002: Militants attacked a Hindu temple in the western state of Gujarat, leaving 33 people, including two attackers, dead. Police blamed Indian Muslims recruited by Kashmiri militants.

â¢ March 2003: A bomb exploded on a passenger train in Bombay, killing 10 people. The attack was blamed on Islamic militants.

â¢ August 2003: Two taxis packed with explosives blew up outside a Bombay tourist attraction and a busy market, killing 52 and wounding more than 100.

â¢ October 2005: Three bombs placed in busy New Delhi markets a day before a major Hindu festival killed 62 people and wounded hundreds. India blamed Kashmiri militants.

â¢ March 2006: Twin bombings at a train station and a temple in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi killed 20 people. Kashmiri militants were blamed.

â¢ July 2006: Eight bombs on Bombay trains killed more than 140 people and wounded hundreds more.

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