Blast In Mumbai's Suburban Train

07-12-2006, 09:41 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 12 2006, 08:49 AM)PM speech


QUOTEComplimenting the speed with which the people of the two cities returned to normal life, he said: "This is living proof of our contempt for terrorism."

There you go !!

If this is not finding excuses for inaction then I wonder what is ?

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Why dont these morons come out with a zero-liability-bill in the parliament ? The bill should read -> "No member of parliament would be responsible for anything besides protecting his own ass.". <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

07-12-2006, 09:58 PM

There. Nobody gives a rats behind. What are leaders to do ? The psyche of the nation is -> rape/torture/loot all you want, just give us a good price for it..

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060712/india_markets.html?.v=16

QUOTEIndian Stocks Rise Surprising 3 Percent
Wednesday July 12, 9:19 am ET
Indian Stocks Rise Surprising 3 Percent After Bombay Bombings, Helped by Infosys Earnings

BOMBAY, India (AP) -- Indian stocks rose a surprising 3 percent Wednesday despite predictions the market would plunge after train bombings that rocked Bombay, the country's financial capital.

The market may have been rescued by upbeat earnings from software company Infosys Technologies Ltd., which boosted investor confidence in the country's technology and outsourcing industries.

07-12-2006, 09:59 PM

Post 110:
QUOTEsomething tells me that muhammed gandhi is one of our own members, signed in under a different name and writting tongue-in-cheek.... I considered it a possibility at first. But then I remembered when after the previous attacks some Muslimah on tv hinted at similar arguments: insinuating "Hindu intolerance" as the cause for Muslim "retaliation". Excusing the inexcusable and blaming everything else comes so easy to them: anything but introspection on their part and reassessing what in their religion might cause it to crank out terrorists like there's no tomorrow.

If the kreatur of Post 96 was pretending, then the piranhas' invitation is reserved for future faithful who do mean it.

07-12-2006, 10:08 PM

rajesh_g,
Forget about 200 dead or terrorist attack, Mah assembly today passed reservation bill. These swine had time for politics, vote bank and sullah licking. Why these politiciansâs families escape all these?

07-12-2006, 10:19 PM

Patil targets railways for 'inadequate' security QUOTEMaharashtra Deputy Chief Minister RR Patil on Wednesday said security in the city's suburban trains, which is the responsibility of the Centre, was inadequate and the state government was willing to take up the job if the Centre agreed.

"As per the present norms, it is the responsibility of the railway security force of the central government to check passengers and articles in trains," Patil told the state assembly while replying to a debate on an adjournment notice on Tuesday's terrorist attacks on suburban trains.
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But the infrastructure of the Central agencies engaged in security of these installations is poorer than that of the state government," he said.

Over 55,000 posts of constables needed to be created, and recruitment for 11,000 posts had been initiated recently.

"We have not been able to provide uniforms to police for the last three years for want of funds. I had to beg before industrialists for getting raincoats for the police," he said.

The state government will approach the Chief Justice and urge him to expedite the verdict in the 1993 serial blasts case, Patil said.
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Patil said the construction of a police station in Bhiwandi will commence after eight days if those opposing it are not able to furnish proof regarding ownership claims of the plot on which it is being built.

Referring to the demand for action against "illegal" madrasas by MLAs Eknath Khadse and Devendra Pahdnavis (both BJP), Patil said action would be taken wherever anything objectionable is found.

"If information regarding hiding of arms and ammunition in places of religious worship is substantiated, we will search these places," he said.

I think Patil is from NCP.

07-12-2006, 10:25 PM

Mumbai bombs: 'Pencil timers found'QUOTEThe timers are believed to have detonated bombs made of RDX, one of the most powerful kinds of military explosives, the network quoted police as saying Wednesday.

However, CNN could not independently confirm the discovery of the timers or the material used in the explosives.

Naresh · 07-12-2006, 10:28 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 12 2006, 09:50 AM)Pakis are craving for talk, please send Feroze Khan again

Pakistan's Foreign Minister says the train bombings that have killed more than 170 people in Mumbai, India, show the two countries need to resolve disputes that can be exploited by extremists.
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Mudy Ji :

MEA RESPONSE

On the press reports of remarks attributed to Foreign Minister of Pakistan concerning the terrorist bomb blasts which took place in Mumbai, media reports regarding the elections in what Pakistan calls âAzad Jammu and Kashmirâ and developments related to the Thar Express

12/07/2006

Official Spokesperson: Good Evening. We have seen press reports of remarks attributed to Mr.Khursheed Mahmood Kasuri, Foreign Minister of Pakistan, concerning the terrorist bomb blasts which took place in Mumbai on July 11.

We find it appalling that Foreign Minister Kasuri should seek to link this blatant and inhuman act of terror against innocent men, women and children to the so called lack of resolution of disputes between India and Pakistan. His remarks appear to suggest that Pakistan will cooperate with India against the scourge of cross-border terrorism and terrorist violence only if such so called disputes are resolved. Terrorism cannot be tolerated on any grounds whatsoever, and no cause justifies the murder of innocent people. We would hope that the Government of Pakistan rejects any such linkage and joins hands together with India to defeat the forces of terrorism, based on an ideology of extremism and violence. We would urge Pakistan to take urgent steps to dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism on the territory under its control, act resolutely against groups and individuals, who are responsible for terrorist violence and fulfill its solemn commitments enshrined in the India-Pakistan Joint Press Statement of January 6, 2004.

We have seen media reports regarding the elections held on 11 July 2006 in what Pakistan calls âAzad Jammu and Kashmirâ. Once again the entire exercise shows the lack of credibility of the electoral process in the so-called âAJKâ. Earlier, nominations of 30 out of 31 candidates of the pro-independence Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front â Amanullah Khan (JKLF) were rejected after they refused to sign the declaration of Kashmir's accession to Pakistan. The âAJKâ Election Commission also rejected 30 nominations of the All Party National Alliance, a coalition of other pro-independence parties of Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan.

Besides disqualifying all political parties and candidates who failed to meet the condition of declaring their allegiance to the accession of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan from contesting the elections, Pakistan has also not allowed international observers to monitor the election process. These elections can, therefore, neither be called free and fair nor an exercise in self-governance.

The 14-member âAJKâ Council, the upper house of the AJK Parliament, is headed by the Pakistan Prime Minister as Chairman and the âAJKâ President as Vice-Chairman. Islamabad nominates five members to the Council from the Members of the Pakistan National Assembly and there are three ex-officio members. The Chairman, along with these federal nominees, gives the Government of Pakistan a majority in the Council as, of the 14 members, there are only six members elected through the âAJKâ Assembly. Real power thus, rests with the officials of Pakistan and the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs in Islamabad.

The situation in Gilgit-Baltistan, the other part of Pakistan occupied Kashmir, is even worse as it has never had even a semblance of representative institutions. Elections have never been held in these areas and the residents do not enjoy the basic political right to vote.

Some developments also related to the Thar Express, which you know has started with an average of 200 passengers per service and increased in popularity to carry about 700 passengers each way. Under an agreement, there were 7 coaches which could go up to 10 coaches by mutual consent. However, unfortunately, the Government of Pakistan has requested that due to infrastructure constraints, they are unable to handle the growing number of passengers at Zero Point station in Pakistan, and we should only run this train with 7 coaches. Naturally, this will limit the number of passengers that can be accommodated in this train to 400 per trip, and therefore from July 21 onwards, the Thar Express will only have 7 coaches. It will not carry more than 400 passengers a week each way, and naturally the issuance of tickets will also be restricted to this number.

Question: Are the Foreign Secretary Level talks still on track?

Official Spokesperson: I do not have any announcement on the dates as yet.

Question: Will this have an impact on the CBMs?

Official Spokesperson: I think I have given you a detailed enough briefing. Any interpretation is yours.

Question: Are these talks scheduled for July 21?

Official Spokesperson: As I said, I donât have any announcement regarding the dates.

Question: As far as the statement is concerned, on the Mumbai blasts, you have spoken again of the need for the dismantling of the infrastructure of terrorism. Does India believe that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan is related to the carnage in Mumbai?

Official Spokesperson: On the specific operations regarding yesterday, the relevant agencies are doing their work and no doubt the results will be made available.

Thank You

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07-12-2006, 10:32 PM

Nareshji,
MEA is lost cause. No hope on them.
Now spineless joker is leading MEA, if something is left that would have been evaporated by now.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-12-2006, 10:40 PM by Husky.)

Post 112:
QUOTE'It's not the time to play the blame game' Shabana AzmiGee, isn't Azmi a gem? Yes, by all means, let us not identify who did it and blame them for it. That's the way to prevent it from ever happening again. Azmi logic. No questions about her IQ. It's barely above sea level.

QUOTEThe real test is yet to follow.What? She means something worse than losing one's life in a train bombing - which over 200 unsuspecting people just had to undergo?

QUOTEWe have to resolve not to give in to rumour mongering and to defeat the designs of those who have done this heinous deed. Their intention obvious -- to hurt India's economic capital and to spread terror and divide people.The designs of the people who did this deed was not to cause rumour mongering and in that way hurt the economy, etc. They don't care about rumour mongering - they're just saying: "we're going to keep at it until you give us Kashmir and then we'll keep at it until you liberate Mughalistan (or whatever)".

And what's this about "dividing people"? Muslims do that all the time: you Kafir, me faithful. You in Jekinah, me in Pardees.

QUOTEOnly by staying together can we defeat the designs of the terrorists."Staying together" - good plan. That will only make her an easy target, but hey, I've already discussed her IQ. Actually, Azmi should follow her own advice and do just that. She, her family and like-minded nitwits should club together crowding a Bombay train and I'll make sure to request their little co-idealogists to blow it up, to even things a bit.

QUOTEThe next few days will be crucial -- because attempts will be made to whip up emotional frenzy by vested interests and we must not succumb to any evil influence.And here I was, thinking that it was the terrorists that were evil! But of course, this is El faithful Muslimah speakin' and so the evil is any kafir opposing the constant unasked for free tickets to death that Azmi's "good guys" are dealing.

07-12-2006, 10:43 PM

Soft Centre We, you and I, have become cannon fodder for terrorists.
QUOTE 12 July 2006: By now, we have become predictable in our responses to terrorist outrages, and it is no different with the Bombay serial bombings, which have killed nearly two hundred people since yesterday, and injured more than three times the number.

The media leads the act in playing down the terrorist attack, by painting up a perfectly fraudulent picture of a city hurtling back to normalcy within hours if not minutes, and the more pseudo-secular, pseudo-liberal of the papers come out with absolutely crummy headlines. Just as the politicians ordered. When has tearing into the authorities for their inability to preempt such terrorist acts become non-secular? And why mustnât the horror of it be fully published or telecast, without attempting to make it a routine violent incident, no more worse than a train disaster or airplane crash? Although with airplane crashes probably, Indiaâs nouveau media would go aggressive. Those who get bombed in trains, or while shopping happily on Diwali eve, or sightseeing around Srinagar, are obviously lesser people, to become statistics at the soonest. It is nauseating. 

Followed by the media, comes the charade of the political establishment. The President and the PMâs condolences are dutifully reproduced, as though they can speak to the contrary, Sonia Gandhi, after expressing the routine commiseration, dashes off to the tragedy site, if the death toll is high enough to give her political mileage. Once she lands, of course everybody forgets the relief work and serves her, from the chief minister down. Incidentally, we have a grotesquely incompetent Maharashtra CM, Vilasrao Deshmukh, under his charge, Bombay shuts down in two consecutive monsoons, a record number of farmers â nearly seven hundred, would you believe it? â commit suicide in Vidharba, he and his officials thoroughly and cynically mislead the PM when he visits there, and now this catastrophe.

Followed by these worthies and the condolences and ill-timed visits, condolences pour from abroad. Previously, the occasions were probably famine deaths, or natural disasters, tsunami and their lesser cousins, or assassinations, now, they are terrorist attacks. We sort of get a grim pleasure, a masochistic pleasure, in publishing these condolences, from the US and the rest, as if almost glad that they have remembered us, even if at a time of the wanton massacre of our people. Not to forget, because it is politically convenient now, Pakistan wires in its own sorry message, while congratulating whoever masterminded the terrorism on their side, and it looks a clear giveaway on the Lashkar-e-Toiba. .

Less publicly, the agency âresponsibleâ for counter-terrorism, the IB, sends its fattened, over-the-hill, retiring officials to make the investigations, and in a couple of days, their consolidated report will be read by the PM â and dumped. And, meanwhile, since scapegoats have to be found, a committee has been set up, our PM, ever an official, loving committees, and this will seek to neatly place the blame on the junior partner in the Maharashtra government, the NCP, which has the home portfolio. Not directly, but through leaks to the press, all attempts would be made to divert attention for intelligence failure from the Congress-led Central government and the Congress-led Maharashtra government.

In about a week, the Bombay blasts would be forgotten â until another serial explosion rocks the country.

History repeating itself as farce.

We have become a soft state, and our rapid regression should bring us in serious competition with Pakistan and the other failed states in some years. The Bombay blasts are the result of systems failure, and the entire political-government establishment at the Centre and in Maharashtra must take blame, and not one or two individuals, although they may happen to be in the line of fire.

While at some level, it is the obvious failure of the Centre and the state governments, the PM and CM, and the Central and Maharashtra home ministers, the rot lies deeper. Officials say prime minister Manmohan Singh takes more interest in intelligence matters than his predecessor, A.B.Vajpayee, who left them to his principal secretary and national security advisor (NSA), Brajesh Mishra. Mishra was an official, and like most officials, he could not think more than two days into the future. Vajpayee, a politician, on the rare occasions he pursued security issues, gave visionary direction.

Manmohan Singhâs problem is that though he is the PM, he remains an official, and therefore is able to add little to intelligence briefs. His home minister, Shivraj Patil, though a politician, is not attuned to his portfolio, he would be a fit where personal intelligence is not a consideration, and action is discouraged. Now why do we have a PM who is weak because he is not a politician, and therefore lacks insight? Because Sonia Gandhi wants him there, she wants a weak PM (Commentary, âElection mode,â 11 July 2006). And just in case the PM wants a half-decent home minister, who would say no? The Congress president, of course. So if you have a collapsing state, a soft Centre making way for a soft state, well, you know whom to blame.

And now, the Intelligence Bureau is infected by this ever-growing softness, and that can be traced to another Sonia fixture in the PMO, the PMâs national security advisor, M.K.Narayanan. If Narayanan were to be NSA alone, that would be tolerable, although he neither understands strategic issues nor foreign relations, but he also functions as Sonia Gandhiâs eyes and ears. From his official perch, he tasks the IB with such political intelligence demands, spying on the NDA, spying on Mulayam Singh Yadav, Mayawati, Laloo Prasad Yadav, the Left, now M.Karunanidhi, that the agency is shorthanded for and neglectful of operations, its core works of counter-intelligence and counter-terrorism.

With political intelligence-gathering privileged over counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence, the result is disastrous. The National Security Council secretariat is penetrated, and we come to know too late. Terrorists plan the Bombay serial blasts with precision, and we come to know after two hundred people die. The PM says this âwonât scare usâ, but he can say that from the absolute security of 5 and 7 Race Course Road. What about the rest of us? And while terrorists between nineteen and twenty-four blow us up with insouciance, our near and dear ones, wherever and however, the IB officers charged with countering them rank in their mid-fifties, planning their post-retirement future and the careers of their children, pushing files.

Such is the political establishment, and these are the men, who will fight the terrorists.

Is there any hope of winning?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-12-2006, 11:09 PM by Husky.)

With all of the Tban, Hammass, Jamat-whatevers and the like proudly parading their Islamic beliefs and yelling Islamic slogans around when demanding Kashmir / Israel to get lost / the Kafir-world to prepare for doom and all the while being quite serious about it - you would think they'd be annoyed at all these Muslims like Shabana who stand for spreading "Peace" (aka the common mistranslation of Islam) continuously trying to negate what the terrorists want.

In general:
(1) The terrorists want to be identified.
(2) If they are not identified, the terrorists' demands won't be heard.
(3) If they're not even heard, there's no chance for them to ever have their demands met.
(4) And until their demands are met, they'll continue with more terrorist activities in order to get the attention (1).

And this is where the "secular" Muslims come in: they don't want us to identify the terrorists and thereby are standing in the way of the terrorists and causing them more work and effort.
They want to be identified! That's why they are terrorising!
You'd think the terrorists would first take out Azmi and the other secular Muslims constantly obstructing what they are trying to accomplish and bringing all their work to nothing. Hint, hint - for any of the Faithful Jihadis who might be reading.

07-12-2006, 11:34 PM

Post 29:
QUOTEThis is inside job. Great Pan-Islamic agenda.
Every three month we are seeing some blast and no of casulaties are going up.I concur. Varanasi, this... It's only the beginning. They are waging Jihad on Indian soil again. If we do nothing, we'll end up like the Buddhists of old India.

Is this Pakistan? Afghanistan? No. Welcome to Mughalistan:
- where the Sharia is in force,
- where no women can be seen on the streets (they're in their houses with the windows closed and even then are dressed top to toe in black just in case the Tban catch a glimpse of them and have them flogged to death as happens all the time in Afghanistan),
- Harems are the order of the day - with the last kafir women
- Mosques everywhere: is that the Somnath? No, it's a mosque too.
- suicide rates skyrocketing (especially among women, like in Afghanistan)
- infant mortality rates skyrocketing (with women dying in childbirth)
- eventually a 30:1 men:women ratio with women being imported (kidnapped) from remaining kafir countries
- rabid looking men, ready to tape a nuclear bomb to their back and explode it in Russia/Israel/Europe/US
- constantly dwindling IQ. You've never seen negative IQs before? Allah the Amazing will make it happen right here in Mughalistan.
- zero economy, zero environmental protection (Afghanistan was more lush in the past, now it's a manmade desert with only Poppies)
- Zero Past: "No, we were never Indians, we are Arabians like our Paki and Bangladeshi brethren. We always spoke Arabic/Farsi/Urdu. The Kafir Hindu religion (pah!) was practised by them that we killed out. They're not our ancestors."
- Zero Future (but then Islamic Mughalistan doesn't deserve a future)

"Dharma protects those who protect Dharma" and the opposite is equally true.

07-13-2006, 12:20 AM

Husky,
This transcript is from yesterday's Countdown programme link
QUOTEOLBERMANN:Â It does not make the dead any less so.Â It does not reduce the horror, nor circumscribe the implications.Â But it may put our fourth story on the COUNTDOWN, terrorist bombings in the city we know asâhave known, anyway, as Bombay, in India, in some context.

The original terrorists, the ones who were duped or drugged into believing they would be rewarded with virgins in heaven if they carried out political murders, they were in a cult called the Hashishin, or the Assassins.Â Their reign of terror began in the 11th century.Â After it ended about 1272 A.D., the Assassins and their families began to call themselves instead Sojas (ph), or Maolas (ph), and their descendants today live throughout the Middle East but primarily in India.

And they acknowledge as their titular leader the Aga Khan of Bombay.Â That Indian city is now known as Mumbai, and it is at this hour still numb with horror, a series of eight bombs exploding on the cityâs commuter rail network at the height of the evening rush hour, killing at least 163, wounding more than 400.

Authorities are calling it a well-coordinated terrorist attack, just the latest reminder in a matter of days that here at home, public transportation could be an easy target.

07-13-2006, 12:40 AM

QUOTEJihadis on rampage 
Pioneer.com
The Pioneer Edit Desk
Does the UPA regime have the courage to confront them? ---- Those who are seeking to divert attention from the enormity of Tuesday's terrorist bombings in Mumbai that have left at least 200 commuters dead and more than 600 injured, many of them crippled for the rest of their lives, by repeatedly stressing on what Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has described as the people's "resilience and resolve" to "triumph over the evil designs of the merchants of death and destruction", are doing a disservice to the interests of the nation and the war against terrorism. Only an effete and irresolute Government will limply suggest that the people must fight and win the battle against Islamist terrorism while those in power wring their hands in abject despair or, worse, refuse to act in any manner that may be seen as not being in consonance with an astounding policy of appeasement whose scary contour has now come to include pandering to radical Islamism. Soon after coming to power in the summer of 2004, the UPA Government repealed the Prevention of Terrorism Act, not because it had been 'abused', as alleged by the Congress and its hand maidens in the Left, by the previous NDA regime, but to send out a clear, unambiguous signal to the jihadis and their patrons that they can do as they wish without any let or hindrance; the Congress would be grateful to receive a fistful of votes in return. Between then and now, that message has been received well by those who believe that their faith obliges them to kill and maim innocent men, women and children - for evidence, look at the increasingly audacious terrorist strikes over the past two years and the ease with which jihadis have expanded the theatre of their violence with the state, under the tutelage of the Congress-led regime, remaining a mute spectator.

Tuesday's bombings in Mumbai, which bear a stark resemblance to the Madrid explosions and were as cunningly and ruthlessly executed as the 7/7 London Underground attacks, follow a series of daring strikes, beginning with the assault on the Ram temple in Ayodhya on July 5 last year. That the attack was foiled was more fortuitous than the result of official resolve - either of the Uttar Pradesh Government or the Centre. But there was no such luck when terrorists bombed Delhi on the eve of Diwali, leaving 52 people dead, or when they struck Sankat Mochan Mandir and the railway station in Varanasi; or, for that matter, when they pushed the frontier of jihad by striking terror at Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore. Meanwhile, with Mr Singh and his advisers unabashedly propitiating Gen Pervez Musharraf by unilaterally gifting him a series of concessions described as 'confidence building measures' and offering to pull out troops from Jammu & Kashmir - ideas no doubt born of the Prime Minister's preference to "think out of the box" - terrorists and separatists in that State have stepped up their violence and anti-India propaganda. The slaughter of Hindus continues unabated, especially in places like Doda, and of late jihadis have developed a macabre fondness for lobbing grenades into vehicles carrying tourists. Just how bad the situation has turned in Jammu & Kashmir can be gauged from the fact that the attacks on tourists have taken place not in remote areas but in the heart of Srinagar where security arrangement are supposed to be foolproof.

And how does the Government respond to the challenge? Mr Singh, who bravely declared in Washington last year that he would adopt a policy of zero tolerance towards terrorism, and his advisers try to reach out to, and mollycoddle, the political masters of the killers by initiating what has been grandiosely described as the 'Roundtable Conference'. Of course their invitation was scornfully spurned, and will continue to be spurned. The generals and foot soldiers of jihad know that with a pusillanimous regime in New Delhi, a Government that believes its policy of non-action against terrorism can be encashed for votes at the time of elections, they are on a winning streak. That no amount of death and destruction can goad the UPA into action or enrage the Prime Minister sufficiently for him to stand up and lead from the front is evidenced from the Government's astonishingly soft response to the massacre in Mumbai, a response in keeping with its shameful denial that a new wave of terrorism is sweeping through India. Craftily worded platitudinous statements may make speechwriters proud and keep 'secularists' who see nothing wrong with bloodletting in the name of jihad happy, but they can neither fetch comfort to those who have encountered the brutality of terrorism nor scare those who perpetrate terror. On the contrary, they generate loathing for a soft and supine Government too enervated to act even in the face of grave provocation. It is laughable that at this moment of monumental tragedy inflicted on the nation by jihadis aided, abetted and armed by their masters in Islamabad, the Government should even talk of the so-called 'peace process' with Pakistan. Surely Mr Singh and his advisers do not need further evidence to prove that Gen Musharraf has reneged on his January 2004 promise? After such knowledge what forgiveness?

It does not require the Prime Minister to remind the people of their "resilience and resolve". This nation has had the resilience and resolve to survive invasions and aggressions in the distant and not so distant past; it shall withstand jihad, too. What we need is a demonstration of determination and conviction by those who presume to rule India; we need a Government that is not lacking in resilience and resolve. It is obvious that there has been a serious intelligence lapse, both in New Delhi and in Mumbai; it is equally obvious that individuals have abysmally failed in fulfilling their responsibility. Let the Prime Minister show that he means business by sacking some of these exalted keepers of India's security. That would be a good first step. Second, it is amply clear by now that the abrogation of POTA was a disastrous decision propelled by the Congress's craving for minority votes which, actually, is an insult to the vast majority of India's Muslims. Therefore, POTA must be brought back on the statute books. This is the least that the Prime Minister can do to convince sceptics, who have justifiable reasons to doubt this Government's ability to protect the lives of citizens, that India's war against terror means more than mere lip service. Inaction after Terror Tuesday will only suggest that the Government has abandoned the people, leaving them at the mercy of jihadis.Â

07-13-2006, 12:45 AM

QUOTECrackdown on SIMI, Centre tells States 
Pioneer.com
Pramod Kumar Singh | New Delhi
With intelligence bureau (IB) reports confirming that cadres of Students Islamic Movement in India (SIMI) were responsible for the Mumbai train blasts, the Centre has told all the State Governments to launch a crackdown on SIMI cadres and their sympathisers.

A powerful politician of Mumbai, who enjoys a large following among SIMI operatives is under the scanner as agencies have evidence of his possible involvement in these blasts. 

IB is in possession of evidence linking SIMI with Pakistan-based terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT). Lashkar has been taking the help of SIMI in carrying out terror activities in India. Intelligence sources say, the coordinated blasts in the local trains could not have been possible without the active involvement of SIMI.

Forces behind the creation of SIMI were itching to make their presence felt after the Supreme Court on July 6 2006 upheld the ban on this organisation, rejecting a petition that claimed that the organisation had not been found to engage in any terrorist activities.

It may be recalled, SIMI was first banned in September 2001 by NDA Government under section 3(1) of the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967. The ban was necessitated after the security agencies furnished proof linking SIMI to Lashkar and suggesting that it had become a visible threat to national security.

Before the Central ban, SIMI was linked with the Jamaat-e-Islami (JeI) in Bangladesh and its students' wing, the Islami Chhatra Shibir (ICS). 

Intelligence sources now say old connections are still continuing and it has established with the Harkat-ul-Jehad-al Islami(HUJI) of Bangladesh. 

Investigations by the Uttar Pradesh Police into the July 28, 2005, Shramjeevi Express explosion near Jaunpur and the Varanasi serial blasts of March 7, 2006, indicated the roles of SIMI's full-time cadres and HUJI's agents. The prime conspirator of the Varanasi blasts, Waliullah, the Pesh Imam of Phulpur in Allahabad, who was arrested on April 5 near Gosainganj, on the outskirts of Lucknow, was a SIMI area commander.

Aurangabad, Malegaon, Jalgaon and Thane and Mumbai in Maharashtra have remained SIMI stronghold. It has spread its tentacles in the madrasas of Shirol and Udgam in Kolhapur, Jalgaon, Nashik, Thane, Sholapur, Kolhapur, Gadchiroli, Nanded, Aurangabad, Malegaon and Pune have been brought under the scanner for SIMI activities. There are more than 3,000 madrassas in the State, with about 200,000 students. According to an intelligence estimate there are as many as 500 seminaries in Mumbai alone and a majority of these madrasas are SIMI hotbed.

Lashkar is believed to have carried an aggressive recruitment drive in Maharashtra and Gujarat and reports say SIMI is behind this manpower drive. The outfit is believed to be specially targeting well-educated and technically sound persons for its operations. At least four of the 11 LeT operatives held from Aurangabad and Beed were well educated and technically competent.

07-13-2006, 12:50 AM

QUOTEThoughts on the morning after:

(1) I had correctly predicted that Mumbai will be "back to normal" with a "chalta hai" attitude. Which is in fact, the attitude of sheep/cattle/antelope or in other words Dhimmis (who just *hope* that *they* are not the ones who die). The attitude is sickening and makes me want to puke my guts out. And the apathy of the "Mumbaikar" makes it easy for the Mangy Dogs like Shivraj Patil and Manmohan Singh/Sonia to not take any action - as there is no anger. Just maintain "unity" and keep taking it up the arse, we are 1.2 Billion, to many to kill - which was the strategy in medieval India too, I believe.

(2) It is now obvious, why the "Indian" and "International" (if one can make that distinction) media were praising this resilient attitude. They *DO NOT WANT UPA GOVT. TO FALL*. If this were a BJP Government, it would be the fault of Hindus for making the Muslim filth to kill them. That is why, other than the usual suspects (British Media and Brits writing for American Media - Alex Perry of TIME), media has openly used the words "Terrorist Bombing" for the first time, to my knowledge. Also, CNN (Anderson Cooper), even though it made the obligatory references to "Hindu Nationalists" , had graphics showing London - Madrid and Mumbai in a sequence. Had it been a strong, nationalist government (a nationalist government has actually become a bad word now), it would have been endless graphics of past riot body counts, starting with Partition/Indo-Pak Wars/Kashmir/Punjab/Babri and finally, every one's pet hate, Gujarat. Lastly, all the media reports that are out now are 'urging' India to continue the 'peace process'/CBMs. So the fangs are showing, if only a little glimpse.

(3) India is cursed with perhaps, the worst set of political leaders in 3-4 decades. Just when the mohammadean filth has resumed high-profile jihad in the heartland, we have, literally, no leadership in sight, in either the Congress or BJP. As an FYI, if Madhav Rao Scindia or Rajesh Pilot were the PM of India (despite being from Congress), the situation would not have been so dismal. There also used to be a Balram Jhakkar.Â As the facts stand, all the potential leadership has died (in tragic accidents) or is in the fast lane to geriatric pasture. If Narendra Modi were to become head of BJP (Rajnath Singh does not have quite the same magnetic personality), the international (and domestic) Psy-Ops would make what is happening these days look like a walk in the park.

(4) Based on my talks with colleagues/friends/phone calls to friends/relatives and others in Mumbai - Apart from the exception of Indian Sikhs and Parsis (I don't know any Indian Jews) - The apathy from other Indian minorities - who want to maintain the fiction of a composite culture/harmony - is equally sickening. It does not matter to them unless it's their disjectamembra that is splattered all over the railway tracks. I don't know if this is insecurity associated with being a minority or genuine malevolence, but it is really getting under my skin.

There are short-term solutions (a longer-term solution requires Nationalist leaders - from Rural India who are not part of the DCH crowd)

:Hit Squads of Police/Intelligence have to be given wide powers and accountability only to Defence Minister or National Security advisor and they have to pre-emptively clear up all the filthy pools where these mosquitoes are breeding like there is no tomorrow.

The Migration from the Bhaiya belt of these Muslims to Delhi/Mumbai has to stop. These are some of the worst kind of criminals India has and they form huge, impenetrable ghettos of crime. They are like a mini "lawless NWFP" inside India. Compare them to the Bohri Muslims of Mumbai (or even the Hyderabadis), and this becomes obvious. Ofcourse, unemployed illegal migrant Bangladeshis are also a big factor in this.

Put the fear of God into scum like Raza academy and SIMI members and start 'accidentally' bumping of shady MPs/MLAs with 'roots in a particular community' - it is these scumbags (almost always from the UP/Bihar area) who harbour and abet the Pakis in India. This is extra-constitutional, but in the present circumstances, I am really at wits end to think of a better way of combating Jihad in a civilized/passive society like India.

Else we are heading for another partition.

Bharatvarsh · 07-13-2006, 12:59 AM

hehe the same old story repeats again, the same old comments from our PM and the same old indifference of Hindus, anyway who cares, it's not like the gov't is going to take any action and it's not like Hindus want them to, life goes on, wait for the next round of slaughter and by the way no condelences to those who lost people from me. The conflict will fully be resolved in the coming decades, as someone said either Muslims will put an end to our miserable existence or we will put an end to Islam, that will be the end of everything.

07-13-2006, 01:04 AM

SIMI involved in Mumbai blasts: Home MinQUOTENDTV Correspondent
Wednesday, July 12, 2006: (Mumbai)
The Home Ministry has confirmed the involvement of Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) in the Mumbai blasts.

As per investigations carried out so far, SIMI provided local logistics for the deadly blasts that rocked Mumbai on Tuesday, killing 185 people and injuring 714 others.

The Mumbai police had earlier claimed that the module comprises people with no earlier criminal record and that the blasts were triggered to create communal tension in Mumbai and Maharashtra.

The probe has revealed that all bombs were placed in the luggage rack of the compartments and timers were used to trigger the blasts.

While the CFSL report on explosives is still awaited, preliminary investigations point to the use of RDX.

Mumbai police however, feel that gelatine and timers could have been used.

Cell phone calls made from near the blast sites are being analysed. Nearly 100-150 suspicious calls are being looked at but there is nothing conclusive as yet.

The Jammu and Kashmir Police claims an LeT terrorist nabbed earlier had disclosed that Mumbai suburban trains were to be targeted.

The information was passed to New Delhi and central security forces. The Union Home Ministry has denied receiving any such information. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Combing operations meanwhile, have begun in Mumbai as part of investigations. Hotels and guesthouses are being searched by the Mumbai Crime Branch.

Investigative agencies have recovered rexene bags at all seven blast locations. Along with the bags, investigators have also found similar kind of nails at all spots
Same story started again.

Naresh · 07-13-2006, 01:04 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 12 2006, 10:32 PM)Nareshji,
MEA is lost cause. No hope on them.
Now spineless joker is leading MEA, if something is left that would have been evaporated by now.
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Mudy Ji :

The Peace Process with Terroriststan was initiated by the BJP.

As such the Congress - or any body else in Power - cannot be seen to put a stop to the Peace Process.

It would be an Act of Strength if the present Government withdrew all the CBMs but I feel that they are playing the "Long Game" whereby they are confident that Terroriststan will never have Peace with India and as such are providing Terroriststan sufficient rope to hang itself.

We are in for interesting times!

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07-13-2006, 01:05 AM

QUOTEeither Muslims will put an end to our miserable existence or we will put an end to Islam, that will be the end of everything
Sooner is better. Before they hit me or my family.

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