Blast In Mumbai's Suburban Train

07-13-2006, 01:14 AM

QUOTEIt would be an Act of Strength if the present Government withdrew all the CBMs but I feel that they are playing the "Long Game" whereby they are confident that Terroriststan will never have Peace with India and as such are providing Terroriststan sufficient rope to hang itself.

I don't think so. No vision. I think you have not heard what Aiyar had barked recently and how Overseas state minister in DC was licking Sullahs behind.
No long game, it is Vote bank game.
NDA started, but process was slow. Now its on fast track, which includes pulling out forces from Siachen, force reduction. Now they had flipped, but too late. Current UPA see vote bank only. Atleast NDA was listening Army and intelligence.
Wait when they will introduce reservation in Army based on caste and religion.
Islamic terroristan will survive sucking blood provided by Indian politicians.
India should have panchsheel terroristan reduction plan.

07-13-2006, 01:30 AM

Bharatvarsh,

I agree that indifference is being interpreted as resilience. I read a bunch of headlines saying that the terrorists wanted to forment riots, basically suggesting that Hindus should do nothing. Hindus should make Islam and its Ummah pay regardless of the objectives of the jihadis. Sometimes the right action and the enemy's goals may intersect, but that in no way should stop us from acting in our own defence. By applying their third rate argument to other situations, India should not have recaptured the peaks of Kargil, because the jihadis wanted confilct, and maybe we shouldn't have disrupted operation Gibralter either, since the Porkistanis wanted war, and why fight Germany for Poland since Hitler desired war? Illogical rubbish! The jihadist want to kill as many kafirs as possible and put the fear of Allah in to the kafir, all in the pursuit of objectives clearly defined by Islam. So if they want war, let's give them one.

07-13-2006, 01:49 AM

QUOTEGovern or get out, BJP tells UPA 
PIoneer.com
Rajeev Ranjan Roy | New Delhi
In a blistering attack on the Centre for compromising national security, the main Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party on Wednesday told the United Progressive Alliance Government to either "govern or get out" in the interest of the nation and the people.

Taking stock of the internal security scenario in the aftermath of the serial bomb blasts in Mumbai trains and the deteriorating situation in Jammu and Kashmir, the BJP passed a strongly worded resolution at the meeting of the party's national office-bearers on Wednesday, stating, "Govern or get out. It must choose between the vote and India."

Former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee also attended the meeting chaired by party president Rajnath Singh. The party would hold demonstrations in the State Capitals on July 15-17 to protest against the terrorist attacks.

Referring to the "soft approach" of the Centre in tackling the problem of terrorism, the BJP accused the Government of not doing enough to ensure that Pakistan's territory was not abused for exporting terrorism to India. "India has become a soft state under the UPA's two-years rule," the resolution said.

"BJP feels that so long as the infrastructure of terrorism continues to operate from Pakistan, there is no scope for lasting peace. The UPA Government has not ensured that the Government of Pakistan fulfils its commitments made to AB Vajpayee in January 2004 that any territory under its control would not be used for cross-border terrorism," the resolution said.

The strongly worded one-page BJP resolution paints a gloomy picture of the security scenario. "The people of India feel insecure in their religious, political, financial and scientific centres. The chain of terror has thus linked Varanasi to Bangalore to Mumbai to Delhi to Srinagar," the resolution said.

Lambasting the Government for adopting a dilly-dallying approach in tackling the menace of terrorism for the sake of vote-bank politics, the BJP alleged, "The UPA Government has sent consistent signals that the initiative against terrorism can be traded for votes. The UPA and its allies have totally failed in their approach and method of containing terrorism."

Firing the POTA salvo at the UPA Government, the BJP said, "The UPA has created an environment wherein the infrastructure of terrorism can breed, promote itself, and subsequently create havoc in the country. For the entire UPA, the annulment of POTA was promoted as the only means of saving secularism."

"Nothing can be more glaring than this - that the pursuit of vote takes precedence over the security of the country. Yet another perverted example of vote-banks politics is the UP Government's declaration that it would not implement the ban on the Students Islamic Movement in India (SIMI). Under the UPA, India has become a soft state," the resolution said.

Expressing solidarity with the victims of terrorist attacks in Mumbai and Srinagar, the party appealed to the "people of India to stand united during this challenging moment when a threat to the peace, harmony, and sovereignty of India has been thrown up. During the last two years recurrent incidents of terrorist attacks have taken place reflecting a larger design to destabilise India."

Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha LK Advani said in Mumbai that the blasts were "a warlike act of aggression" against the country.

Advani, who could not attend the meeting as he reached Mumbai from Ahmedabad on Wednesday to meet the relatives of the blast victims and those injured, said, "This was not the usual case of bomb blasts. It can only be termed as carpet bombing along the lifeline of the country's commercial Capital, and hence a warlike act of aggression against India itself."

Advani said that Tuesday's terrorist attack was far more well co-ordinated than the blasts on the London Underground. "Executing such an attack on seven running trains at seven different places within a short span of 15 minutes could not have been possible without a deep-rooted conspiracy and meticulous planning," he said

"What is also obvious is that it could not have been possible without a nexus between a terrorist infrastructure outside the country and a supportive terrorist infrastructure inside the country. It is evident that the Government of Pakistan has not kept its commitment to dismantle the anti-India terrorist infrastructure on Pakistan soil. However, it is entirely within the ambit of responsibility of the Governments of India and Maharashtra to demolish the terrorist modules operating within our country," Advani said.

Referring to the media reports suggesting the hand of SIMI in Mumbai's serial blasts, Advani said, "Its footprints, and the footprints of similar anti-national elements in India must be investigated and erased. These blasts have yet again brought to the fore the need for an effective anti-terrorist law both at the national and State levels."

Though mild in tone but stern in appeal, Advani cautioned the Government not to make any mistakes in unraveling the heinous conspiracy to carry out the dastardly blasts. "Since the attack took place in the trains, I hope the Government of India does not yet again institute a separate inquiry by the Railways to prove, as it did after the carnage in Godhra, that this was also an accident and not the result of a conspiracy by anti-national elements," Advani said.

07-13-2006, 02:33 AM

Mumbai blasts a warning to the entire country: Modi 

India reacts only to the loss of its territory, not peopleâ 

Terror is practised by local recruits. PM wonât hear it from security advisers QUOTEThe priorities of the coalition government were quite evident at the UPA-Left coordination meeting on June 15. The counter-insurgent Salwa Judum movement in Naxalite-infested areas of Chhattisgarh occupied as much time and attention as Kashmir violence. The Left criticised the BJP taking over a movement started by a Congress MLA. Communal violence in Gujarat rightly figured in the meeting but this was more in the context of the BJP-bashing rather as a starting point for discussing jihadi recruitment in India.

The answer to combating homegrown terror does not lie in increasing the number of babus in the home ministry or creating another cell in North Block. The PM gave short shrift to Patilâs cabinet proposal for a Rs 12 lakh allocation to set up an anti-Naxalite cell in the home ministry. That would have been a waste of Rs 12 lakh of taxpayersâ money. Dr Singh needs to listen to the grim evidence from the fields. Evidence that may not be politically comfortable for some of his colleagues. But evidence that may help save many of his fellow citizens.

07-13-2006, 02:46 AM

Mumbai blasts: Cong rubbishes BJP's demandQUOTE"I don't think that the attack was due to any neglect or lack of action by government....We do not accept that the Home Minister has failed. The government had taken all steps possible," party spokesperson Jayanti Natrajan told reporters

Reminding Advani that the attack on Parliament had taken place when the POTA was in place, Natrajan said that it was strange that the then external affairs minister had escorted terrorists to freedom so that they could staged such a strike later.

Guys n gals every Indian is safe now. You are fool, I am fool , we all are fools. That is congress logic now.
Those who died did bad karma, they were sitting near bomb, Mr. bomb prefer to travel alone. Take advice from Congress next time sit away from Mr. Bomb.

Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 05:22 AM by Bharatvarsh.)

QUOTEI agree that indifference is being interpreted as resilience. I read a bunch of headlines saying that the terrorists wanted to forment riots, basically suggesting that Hindus should do nothing. Hindus should make Islam and its Ummah pay regardless of the objectives of the jihadis. Sometimes the right action and the enemy's goals may intersect, but that in no way should stop us from acting in our own defence. By applying their third rate argument to other situations, India should not have recaptured the peaks of Kargil, because the jihadis wanted confilct, and maybe we shouldn't have disrupted operation Gibralter either, since the Porkistanis wanted war, and why fight Germany for Poland since Hitler desired war? Illogical rubbish! The jihadist want to kill as many kafirs as possible and put the fear of Allah in to the kafir, all in the pursuit of objectives clearly defined by Islam. So if they want war, let's give them one. 
Well we certainly have to make them pay but we shouldn't go around doing riots (I know many Hindus who are contemplating this right now), they are just a short term distraction, after the riots everything is back to square one. We should be thinking about the longterm on how to wipe out Islam, we know the gov't will never do anything, nextly we have moron Hindus who are obsessed with Pakistan and act like breaking up Pakistan will solve the problem of terrorism when infact Pakistan and terrorism are just products of a poisonous ideology known as Islam, we have to be clear on one count, nothing more than the complete destruction of Islam will stop these attacks. We should start with that goal in mind and pursue our policies accordingly and there is no need for us to go around begging IM's to be loyal to India, we should just do our own work and ignore them, if they don't like it then too bad, as long as we give them equal opportunities we have no more responsibility towards them, they are on their own and we Hindus are on our own, the composite culture wallahs can keep hallucinating as long as they want, screw them. We Hindus have our own culture, our own history and our own heroes, so there is no question of composite culture coming into this and any attempts to force us to take part in such nonsense can only be seen as an attack on our faith.

07-13-2006, 06:02 AM

There you go again !!! You would think that reprisal for Guj riots would happen in Guj itself and there wouldnt be a shortage of recruits in Guj itself - but no - these are LeT pigs afterall, and more then that this is ToI reporting. Ek to karela uper se neem chadhaa.. <!--emo&

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QUOTEAttacks retaliation for Gujarat riots?Add to Clippings
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MUMBAI: Gujarat appears to loom large over the Mumbai blasts. Thatâs apparently why terrorists targeted only the Western Railway tracks and that too only first-class coaches.

Sources said the aim apparently was to hit moneyed Gujaratis, many of whom stay in suburbs of Vile Parle, Kandivli, Malad and Borivli along the Western Railway and travel first class.

The Lashkar-e-Taiba, intelligence reports suggest, has recruited local youths saying that they should take revenge for the atrocities heaped on the minority community in Gujarat where the Narendra Modi government is heavily funded by the rich Gujarati businessmen of Mumbai.

It is not for nothing that Modi is coming here early next week to meet community leaders. A former activist of the Students' Movement of India (SIMI) said that since LeT is not able to find recruits in Gujarat, it has brainwashed former activists of SIMI and new recruits in Maharashtra.

"Funds are available for the asking for LeT not only from Pakistan, but also from Wahabi fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia and the UAE," the ex-activist stated.

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 07-13-2006, 06:57 AM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Jul 12 2006, 06:46 PM)Well we certainly have to make them pay but we shouldn't go around doing riots...We Hindus have our own culture, our own history and our own heroes, so there is no question of composite culture coming into this and any attempts to force us to take part in such nonsense can only be seen as an attack on our faith.


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Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 10:35 AM by Husky.)

Post 133:
QUOTEa series of eight bombs exploding on the cityâs commuter rail network Is it 8? P-secs, collecting under the Azmi banner, no doubt think it must all be an 'unfortunate accident' and wasn't pre-meditated in the least.
QUOTEthe Hashishin, or the AssassinsYes, the Hashishin. One of the many 'contributions' of Islam.
I've come across them before but had no idea that they were so deeply connected with India.

Post 137:
QUOTEno condelences to those who lost people from meDon't say that - many (if not all) of the circa 800 families affected by the event are probably resentful at the very least. But it's not like the media is going to be showcasing their just anger any time. Doubtless they'll find and interview the one solo family that believes in suicidal non-violence to-the-last-breath.
The rest of the Mumbai folk, who are unaffected and going about their p-secular lives like nothing happened yet again, evidently don't care. They'll deserve your apathy if the next spate of Islamic Love targets them.
QUOTEThe conflict will fully be resolved in the coming decades, as someone said either Muslims will put an end to our miserable existence or we will put an end to Islam, that will be the end of everything.You forget the third alternative: Islam will inevitably implode eventually (it was manufactured with an expiry date) that even the Faithful can not prevent. But I say: we shouldn't stick around and wait to see it happen. Why not speed nature along? Call it India's latest contribution to humanity.
Also, Iran shows some indications of causing a major injury, if not the very death-strike, to Islam.

Post 142:
QUOTEI agree that indifference is being interpreted as resilience.I'd say that the media and p-secular brainwashing have been fostering indifference (for a long time now) and then projecting it as resilience: "Look at the resilience that secularism has created for the country: we do not retaliate, we do not respond, we do nothing but go on with our lives in the peaceful 'secular' way". As if that's a good thing. The result being of course, besides not knowing the true meaning of secular, that we become sitting ducks for the next attack and the next and so on.

Post 146:
QUOTEWell we certainly have to make them pay but we shouldn't go around doing riotsI agree. We're not Jihadis and our way is as opposite from theirs as Hinduism is opposite to Islam. Besides, communist, secular and Christo-media will be all over the ensuing events if we attempted riots: "Muslims retaliate against riots instigated by Hindus" (all the while keeping silent about the train blasts being the ultimate cause). In fact, I wouldn't put it past them to pull a Godhra-train obfuscation: "Mumbai trains spontaneously combusted - 8 times - but it all was all quite natural in spite of having all the hallmarks of real bomb blasts".
No, riots aren't the answer (see second to last remark of this post).

QUOTEHindus who are obsessed with Pakistan and act like breaking up Pakistan will solve the problem of terrorism when infact Pakistan and terrorism are just products of a poisonous ideology known as Islam, we have to be clear on one count, nothing more than the complete destruction of Islam will stop these attacks.Completely true. In the long term, everyone (including potential future converts) will thank us for it. And so will Pakistan.

In fact, I agree with all of post 146. But I will say, also take note of Post 98.

~ No tolerance for intolerance ~

07-13-2006, 10:33 AM

QUOTE Well we certainly have to make them pay but we shouldn't go around doing riots 

Sorry, cannot agree with that. I believe in violence against all those who pursue jihad through dawa, demographic siege, political and legal means, financial and moral support, violence in the form of riots and terrorism, and criminal activity. I see no difference between a LeT terrorist, and someone who uses more peaceful means to achieve the same goals, or anyone who shares their goals. There is no peaceful coexistence with a people who believe that eradication of Hinduism is moral, and is rewarded with houris and pearl boys. Mass violence and rioting (including forcible conversion), not on the lines of Gujarat, but on the lines of Punjab, is the best way to get rid of Islam.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 10:49 AM by Husky.)

Post 150:
I believe in retaliation and in violence (well, it's a bit strong to say "I believe in violence" - I mean I believe in taking action and if that calls for violence, then so be it) - we've been sorely provoked, and multiple times too. It's not going to stop if we continue to do nothing.
However, riots won't work for a number of reasons:
- more of our own dead
- won't get the masterminds behind the attacks (so it will continue), instead will get a few uninvolved people of Islamic persuasion dead (remember: media backlash defends only minority innocent)
- Islamic Ummah world-over will start targetting us with greater effort
- the p-sec media and global Christian "human rights for all (except the pagans)" will be over us in no time and the world's readership will turn their easily manipulated sentiments to the side of the Islamist crowd.

See post 98 (this thread). I see therein an effective solution.

07-13-2006, 10:55 AM

Seriously, as I had asked several posts back, GOI's options are severaly limited. What exactly can the MMS administration do?

1)Any escalation initiated by the GOI against Pakistan, and the "Nuclear Flashpoint" will return - kiss the India - U.S. Civil Nuclear agreement goodbye!

2) The IA lacks the formidable power to annihilate or "teach Pakistan a lesson" quickly - two to three days (max a week).

3) The GOI will NOT cross the LOC (remember Kargil).

4) Other than making polite diplomatic protests, what exactly do you think GOI can do under such circumstances?

5) Fine - GOI points to LET and SIMI as the culprits. What next? Maybe, just maybe, bring back POTA for SIMI (Don't bet on it though!). For LET, really, what choice does the GOI have?
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For whatever it is worth? SIMI using rdx, timer in pencils on previous blasts (August 2005). What exactly did the GOI did then which would lead us to believe that THIS time it will be different?

http://www.ipcs.org/Aug_05_terrorismGeneral.pdf

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 11:34 AM by Husky.)

Post 152 -
I'm wondering, is this in response to my post (151)? 'Cause I've not wasted a second thinking about the GOI. They're not going to do anything, it's not Islamic or Christian lives that were lost here. It's us dhimmis. We're expendable to them, so there's no use looking to them to protect us.

In fact, filled with communists, p-secs and being pro-Islamic terrorism and pro-missionaries as the GOI is, I doubt it will do anything to stop this from happening again. That's if they aren't covertly helping the terrorists out already.

07-13-2006, 12:13 PM

QUOTEWe're not Jihadis and our way is as opposite from theirs as Hinduism is opposite to Islam

That is the equivalence trap we keep falling into. Similar ways and similar ideologies are two different things. You have to use the tactics that are necessary to win the war (albeit an internal one), and using similar tactics (violence in this case) does not make you like your enemy anymore than Indian and Pakistani militaries using same tactics are equivalent. Our goal is rather defensive, that is to stop them from annhialating us, while they use violence in the pursuit of an objectively offensive goal. If you try to find a solution that is compatible with Hindu values you will fail, and why should Hindu values be applied to a people whose mission in life is to destroy the very belief system which provides such values? I do believe that similar violence by very different participants for opposite objectives (annhialation vs preservation of the Hindu way of life), cannot be equated, and the way to eradicate Islam is to use methods outside the norms of Hinduism.

The second question is of conversion. Granted, conversion is an option, but does that mean that all or even a majority of them will convert? How will you get them to convert? By telling them that their ancestors belonged to the same race and religion as if they are not aware of that fact? Would you approach them on moral grounds? They already are aware of the violence in their religion as well as the antics of Mohammed. Infact they believe that Mohammed's example sets the moral standard for them. Forget the last thousand years, the last sixty years have proven that Muslims will do what Islam asks of them, without regard to life and dignity of the Hindus, and certainly with a clear conscience. Maybe we can appeal to the educated middle classes? Well, the educated among the Muslims are not exactly turning away from Islam (neither in India, nor any other place with higher literacy rates). I would say they are even more lethal because they know how to conduct sophisticated attacks (9/11, suicide bombers, SIMI) or manipulate the system (Jinnah, Musharraf, Shahbuddin). The Muslims believe that theirs is the only true religion, revealed by the final Prophet. You will get a certain percentage to convert, i.e. those who are at the fringes, or who still don't have Islam ingrained into them after a century of back to Islam movements (Madaudi, Tabligh), but then what? If history has taught us anything, it is that armed resistance, not mindless idealism, is the way to deal with this enemy.

QUOTEIslam will inevitably implode eventually

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Where would we be if all the previous generations had thought similar thoughts instead of being engaged in resistance? What happens if it doesn't implode before Muslims become a majority in the subcontinent and major parts of India? Let's do what's necessary for our self defence.

QUOTEA former activist of the Students' Movement of India (SIMI) said that since LeT is not able to find recruits in Gujarat, it has brainwashed former activists of SIMI and new recruits in Maharashtra.

The above quote proves that violence is a deterrent, at least temporarily. Retaliation bought us Hudna.

07-13-2006, 12:16 PM

Yet another blast and the same old platitudes. No matter how hard those terrorists try , they always get dissappointed over their inability to stop the heart of mumbai ( thanx to ignorance of people down there). Its the scale which defeats the impact of these kind of heinous crimes and nothing else. The terrorist are not capable to match those scale with which mumbai bulges. It seems an irony out in reports by new channel lauding the so the called "Spirit of Mumbai" and then lamenting their misery.Why can't that "Spirit" purges that "misery"? How come a civilzation as unshackled as that of mumbai survive?
The Apex of the hierarchy which indians choose (vote) for some formal reason is deeply blunted and benumbed. True to their "Gandhian Beliefs", the indian people let such kind of crimson acts pass away, unperturbed. List goes on and on ....1993 bomb blast , Mulund blast, Ghatkoper blast, blast right at the doors ( Gateway of india blast) and now the local train blast. It would be true to their religious duties that of "Jehad" that terrorist will carry out bombing in future too....and mumbaikers will also "true to their religious duties" follow "The Method" of earning daily life like animals. It is just like a pride hunting a deer and eating them right in front of herd composed of hundreds of deer.The whole herd just carries on their job of eating grass while pride prepares for the next hunt. It is very much part of our "Mother" nature which i think nobody should deny it. Its the natures balancing act.
I was surprised to hear a statment from S Pastricha ( DGP Maharashtra) , saying that " Every nation is facing terrorism. We too need to face it". ....What the hell is that....Does that mean that one should wait for other nations to solve the so called problem of "Terrorism" ? ....well ...Bollywood did have some effect of "copying" on Mr Pastricha.
"Reactive Policing " is the biggest blunder that this mumbai police is doing because it will only aggravate the problem. Police is not equipped throughly for "reactive Policing". Many innocent will be treated as terrorist which will lead to more public outcry, communal tension ( thus playing into hands of terrorists)and consequent ruling by the court against the police case. Most of the accused are never reprimanded (since most of them are in dubai or pakistan). Police does best from their side ....but it not possible to hold stream of water with bare hands. One needs to "close the Tap" which needs "brain"...unfortunately that is not there in the government we indians choose for our "well being".
For elimination of such kind threat the time is more than ripe for doing pre-emptive strike on "pagans" across the LOC and eliminate the pakistani military completely which is sponsoring it. So easy to say so ....right......what about nuclear war and its consequent effect on the indian economy...and the worlds reactiona nd enormous cost of war and loss of live ....ok ....so i think that we should wait till terrorism has that effect which the nuclear war can....and then on basis of Cost & Benefit analysis we should wage the war later Means.....Total effect = Effect of past,ongoing and future terrorsim + Effect of future nuclear war( which will be more deadly)....Good for 1 billion people.......what the hell is that again .....letting the virus spread through out the body and then hoping that a medicine will come in future which can kill that virus. This line of thinking is very true to the natural gene which our Leaders have inherited from "Gandhi's mouth". Organizing cricket will entertain terrorsim rather than providing a "hopeful" opportunity in "future" "by chance" for solving the terrorism.
Intellectuals of "My Motherland" provide following alternatives to preemptive strike :
1. Diplomatic activity needs to be pursued in order to apply international pressure on pakistan so that it stops abetting terrorist camps there. (.....yesterdays blast was the result of that suggestion )
2. Strenghten national security (....... oh great ...for 1 billion people...dream of it)
3. Establish good relation with pakistan and try to get them stop abetting the "Jehadis" by organizing cricket ( i love that part), getting bus links between two countries and other CBM's. ( Mushraf would love to do so and will do so otherwise simultaneously .....courtesy .."Kargil war")
4. Increase awareness among the people for precautionary steps needed to be taken while doing their day to day activites to stop terrorist initiatives. (....Gud one ...but i guess, will that have any effect when one travels through mumbai's local train..)
5. Close international borders to terrorist by laying "fence" :-) and take steps to eliminate loopholes in all kind of security check for internatinal visitors coming from countries suspected of supporting terrorism. ( .....Simply not possible considering india's location , porous boundaries, techological capabilities of our security and corruption..why ....because then the problem of terrorism would not be there from 1980's)
6. Enact anti-terrorist laws.....( not possible since this will take UPA govt's votebank away)
7. Continue with kashmir talks and constructive bilateral dialogues. (.......Finally to the main point...."kashmir" ..one thing which excites pakistanis to the highest level of ecstasy ;-)...why the hell do we solve it....(we= Pakistan military + India govt)....in fact these dialogues are the main reason for fuelling all terrorist activities....why...because it will then appear that terrorist are doing nothing for "Beloved Kashmir" and it is the govt only which is pretending to do for it)

Our govt seems to ignore the kasmir issue time and again which leads to poor pakistani terrorist taking the pain of reminding the indian govt that ....." Hello"...."we are still there..."....by doing crimes like yesteday's blast. ......Terrorist love to do so...giving interview, getting photographed, giving infuriating statements ....and when they do not get all the above mentioned then they do "BLASTS". But their experience with INDIA has been poor in this sense. So ignorant are indians that poor terrorist needs to do "BLAST" only ..in order to get some amount of limelight which indians can betow from their usual focus on "Bollywood" or TV soap opera's.
Indians should wake themselves up not only when "BLAST" occurs but to the reality called PAKISTAN. Stop being cowards of "BhaiChara". People of India need to think Strategically and not diplomatically. Indians must value life of each indians as they value their own. Vote for the government which have balls to not only counter the dreaded terrorist but to eliminate the basic root. Its time that we indians become a terror for terrorist and smash them up from the face of earth, wherever they are or wherever they are from. I hope that after Mumbai Blast ......( local train wala ..;-)), pro-active action will be taken to elimate the cause and the effect "PERPETUALLY".

07-13-2006, 12:26 PM

Almost all riots are initiated by the 'religion of peace'

Should not the Hindus retaliate?

Why does SIMI find it difficult to get recruits from Gujarat and is therefore looking for them elsewhere?

Is it not because the Gujaratis ran out of patience and 'retaliated' silencing the sullahs once for all.

The Religion of Peace is forced to rely on inflated figures and accusations of 'genocide' fraudulently !

'Retaliation' cannot be equated with 'doing rioting'

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 12:49 PM by Husky.)

Post 154 (bhushan):
I suggested that riots are the recourse of the Faithful in India who don't mind using pathetic crude methods that ultimately get ignored anyway (when the instigators are the Muslims and the victims are Hindus).
We need better leverage, more success per shot, if you will.

What is wrong about the solution mentioned in Post 98 (Aryawan) of this thread? Or am I referring to the wrong post? No, 98 is the one. Please read it at http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...opic=1371&st=90

Riots will waste more of our resources, besides doing nothing for our image. I know the international media already likes to present us as rioting buffoons (an image that actually only fits the bill of the Islamics). However, as satisfying as the idea may seem to those who're only out for temporary revenge, I can't see it solving our real problem either now or in the long-term. Even if a serious riot keeps the Muslims in a region silent for 5 years, they will still wait until their population size is large enough to take revenge (on our revenge) and wreak havoc all over again. The time for crude action (100 years ago) like resorting to riots is well-past. It will have little effect in a sea of 100 million+ Muslims.
Besides, they will not learn from it, other than that eventually Hindus do wake from their inactive stupor and react before going back to sleep again.

No, I still say it's time for far more organised and effective methods. And time for deniability. And trust me, Hindu methods are more intelligent, more effective and more permanent than anything the Islamics can cook up.

07-13-2006, 12:52 PM

Post 151,

Riots are the only way practical way that Hindus can retaliate, and the government will be paralyzed since they cannot arrest or kill millions of people. That is far more practical as we have seen in Punjab states in 1947 than creating a counter terror international as mentioned in post 98.

I am not sure how more Hindus will die in riots? In fact the few decades of major riots (Bhagalpur, Nellie, Mumbai, Gujarat), prove the opposite. That's one of the reasons why Muslims only riot in favorable areas or use low and high level terror.

QUOTEwon't get the masterminds behind the attacks (so it will continue), instead will get a few uninvolved people of Islamic persuasion dead (remember: media backlash defends only minority innocent)"Â 

The point is not to get the masterminds. I do not believe in a tit for tat attack. I believe in taking out the operating environment (ghettos), and the future hope (favorable demography) of the masterminds. Media dogs can bark till they are blue in the face.

QUOTEIslamic Ummah world-over will start targetting us with greater effort

They are already targetting us by funding and supporting the terror, but if large numbers of Muslims are killed then they could fund all they want, the support base and the organization on the ground will be gone. You won't completely eliminate terrorism but the mortal threat to Hindu civilization will not be there.

QUOTEthe p-sec media and global Christian "human rights for all (except the pagans)" will be over us in no time and the world's readership will turn their easily manipulated sentiments to the side of the Islamist crowd.

The world is not going to come and save us just like they didn't save the Hindus of Pakistan or Afghanistan, and they are not lifting a finger for the Hindus of Bangladesh or Kashmir. We will become hated like the Israelis, but, when history books are written 50 years from now. I would prefer the second of the following outcomes:

1) There used to be a country called India, where there lived a gentle people called Hindus, who were destroyed by the fanatical Muslims.

2) There is a country called India, where a people called Hindus reside, who are idealistic, but equally ruthless against their enemies.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 01:42 PM by Husky.)

By the way, we no longer live 100 years ago when most world events outside of Europe went by unnoticed. Whether it's good or not, everything is in the view of the world now. The media does matter, as they can cause action from the external world. Getting slapped with sanctions is one thing, getting foreign troops to "intervene" (with their accompanying missionaries) in India is an entirely different thing.

And factoring in the usual Islamic victim-play (also common to Christianity), we'll no doubt be painted the bad guys and in a twist of history be made to pay forever for something the Jihadists started and have continued doing for over a 1000 years.

EDIT:
I have started a new thread (on Yugoslavia) to indicate why the media matters and how it was used to destroy the nation and how it can be used (and is being used) on us too. Please read it.

07-13-2006, 01:06 PM

Whoami,
welcome to the forum!

You will have to change your name in this forum, boss, it has to be a human-sounding name. It doesn't have to be your real name, just human-sounding.

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