Pakistan - News and Discussion -7

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Gem from Urdu press,
FT
Read plight of Hindus in Pakistan
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Irshad Haqqani’s optimism</b>
Writing in Jang senior columnist Irshad Haqqani said that the decline of the Muslims had been much talked about but it had now completed its process and Islam had only to go up rather than further down. He accepted that even on the way there could be temporary backslidings like the Iran-Iraq war but the graph was now pointing upwards. He said he saw Islam finally becoming a force after including in its vision a number of modern elements through ijtihad.

<b>The ‘missing people’ of Pakistan</b>
Writing in Daily Express Najam Sethi stated that on April 11, 2006 a member of the NGO Shehri, Nisar Baloch, disappeared after being summoned to Karachi’s Pak Colony police station. On April 4, Bahrain-based Baloch Television MD Muneer Mengal disappeared from Jinnah Airport and has not been seen since. Dr Naqibullah Durrani, an Afghan national and an employee of the Afghan Dutch Community, came to Pakistan in February to attend a workshop at Sindh Agriculture University, Tando Jam. He disappeared on March 13. Prominent Baloch poet and writer Dr Haneef Shareef has been missing since last November after he was picked up by an intelligence agency in Turbat on November 18. Ali Asghar Bangalzai disappeared in 2001 and Hafiz Saeed Bangalzai in 2003. The families of brothers Ibrahim and Ghulam Saleh, Noor Mohammad Marri, Mir Ahmad Marri and Jamand Khan Marri – all below 18 - say their kin were hauled up by the intelligence agencies. Seven BLA activists, including its chairman Dr Imdad Baloch, and President Dr Allah Nazir, were taken from a Karachi flat, interrogated and tortured last year. Safdar Sarki, a Sindhi-American who once belonged to the Jeay Sindh movement and returned to Pakistan from America a year ago, disappeared from Karachi. His driver, Munir Sarki, told the press and the Sindh High Court that he saw Safdar blind-folded, handcuffed and beaten up in his apartment in Gulshan-e-Iqbal and then whisked away by ‘agency men’.


<b>God came to the house of ‘kiri’ (ant)</b>
Senior columnist Abdul Qadir Hassan wrote in Daily Express that once bhagwan (god) came to the house of a kiri (ant) and that was when Dr AQ Khan came to attend the walima ceremony of Abdul Qadir Hassan’s son in Soan Valley in the Salt Range. Dr AQ Khan came to the village to attend the ceremony and sat on a sofa. Mr Hassan at once put a cloth on the sofa and preserved it as a relic and let no one sit on it in future. <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Hindus can’t burn corpses in Lahore</b>
Daily Khabrain reported that the Hindus of Lahore protested that there was no shamshan ghat (place of incineration) for the dead bodies of their community. They had to take the corpses to Peshawar and Sialkot where the ghats were available. They had to bury them provisionally (imanat) at first if they were not able to take them immediately out of Lahore. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>‘Muslims will take a century to become good!’</b>
Columnist Munir Ahmad Munir wrote in Daily Express that the legal adviser of Jinnah NM Kotwal once said to Jinnah that since he thought that the Muslims of India suffered mainly from flaws of character it might take them 20 years to correct themselves after independence. On this Jinnah disagreed and said it will take a hundred years for Muslims of Pakistan to correct their characters. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Courtesy Tehelka
<b>Author of Moth Smoke Mohsin Hamid tells Indian journalist Shoma Chaudhury how Pakistanis see India  </b>
   
<b>Q: Does Pakistan’s conception of itself as an Islamic state bother you?</b>
A: I’m not sure what you mean. Pakistan is a very diverse country. I’m not sure how much it does define itself as a religious state. Official speak might seem to say it is a religious state, but for me that’s just one facet of the place.

<b>Q: What idea of India do you and people from your world hold?</b>
A: Well, it’s mixed. Certainly, there are a lot of positive things. We all have Indian friends; people who’ve married across the border, who travel across borders. There are television shows, films, music we all like. At the same time, there’s a fairly pervasive feeling that India is a rather arrogant, uncompromising neighbour. There’s also a sense that India is a country that is a lot about hype.

All this talk of India Shining and what not – a lot of mainstream Indian media will portray India as this flourishing super power doing wonderfully well, when the truth is most Indians are desperately poor. Pakistanis seem to be much less jingoistic and nationalistic about themselves. I think as a smaller and more cynical country, Pakistanis find this nationalistic aspect of India pretty off-putting.

<b>Q: What would the self-criticisms of your generation of Pakistanis be? </b>
A: There are many. We’ve failed to evolve a lasting democratic set-up. Failed to find a peaceful resolution with India, failed to educate a majority of our people.

<b>Q: Are there versions of Pakistan that make you blanch? </b>
A: Your question is more interesting than the answer. Let me turn this around. How would you respond to a Pakistani periodical calling you up and saying, what are things about your country that make you blanch? It’s like a neighbour you don’t have nice relations with saying, what about your mother don’t you like? Certainly, there are things about Pakistan I don’t like, but to make that a topic of enquiry is problematic. Just look at headlines related to Pakistan in the mainstream Indian press and you’ll find a very jingoistic, distorted view of Pakistan.

Even in Tehelka, which might be a very liberal paper otherwise, the tone is very hawkish. As a Pakistani, I find Indian media prone to exaggerating the threat posed by Pakistan, and the differences between the two countries, as opposed to highlighting similarities. In some ways, I think the biggest threat Pakistan poses to India is the threat to the Indian ego, as opposed to anything more substantive. So in that context, this is a very odd question. With that caveat in place, I’d say, I have enormous love for Pakistan, though I’m frequently frustrated by it.

<b>Q: The media war is equal. Here the focus is on the ISI, Dawood Ibrahim, terror camps. [...] The talk is of jihadi groups within Pakistan </b>
A: I think India is terrified of looking inside itself because if a home grown Indian Muslim group has done this in Bombay, you’d have massacres. India is a tinderbox so it’s forced to look outside. Who’s backing the Naxalites? People out of Nepal? Who’s backing the Muslim groups? Pakistan and Bangladesh? There are a billion Indians, many of whom are very upset with the government and could certainly be involved. In Pakistan, we have sectarian bombings all the time. Certainly one could say these are the work of Indian intelligence agencies. Perhaps they are. But I think it’s a mistake to look at these problems in this way and ignore what is often a very strong domestic component.

Pakistan is desperate for a peace deal on Kashmir. Musharraf – like him or not – is bending over to find some compromise. But India is completely uncompromising. It prefers the status quo, so any time there’s a bomb in India, it can be blamed on Pakistan.

<b>Q: Indians would throw Kargil and terror camps and infiltration at you... </b>
A: They would, but Kargil was at one time. At one time Musharraf wanted to have this tactical invasion of India. Now he doesn’t. People change. I think the Kargil war is really more an issue of Indian ego – which I think is a very fragile thing and the biggest barrier to normalising relations with Pakistan.

<b>Q: If the Indian press demonises Pakistan, isn’t it the same in the Pakistani press? </b>
A: Absolutely, particularly in the Urdu language press. But, you know, I think the demonisation of Pakistan in India is more than here because Pakistan has no substantial Hindu community. So the average Pakistani deals with India only as a concept. There is not much entrenched actual bigotry. India, on the other hand, has over 100 million Muslims. [...] Pakistan gets lumped along with that, so the resentment towards it in India is much more.

<b>Q: How’s Pakistan negotiated modernity?</b>
A: In remarkably complex ways.<b> You have everything in Pakistan – mini zones of talibanisation, fashion shows with girls wearing next to nothing in Lahore, parties in Karachi where people are doing cocaine and ecstasy, villages where people don’t have education or electricity.</b> It’s a huge collage. The thing people often forget about Pakistan is that it’s enormous. It’s the sixth biggest country in the world. China, India, US, Indonesia, Brazil, then Pakistan. It’s only when you compare it with something even more galactically vast like India that it seems anything but huge. [...]

<b>Q: Despite themselves, people across the globe are becoming wary of the dominant face of Islam. </b>
A: I don’t think there is any homogeneous Islam. As a novelist, I negotiate these things by breaking them down to the personal. Even if some basic principles are the same, there are huge variations in outlook. And religion is only one facet of what makes us human. There are cultural identities, gender, race. . .

For me, Islam is a word that includes an incredible multiplicity. The notion of a strong, politicised, unitary Islam which is either a threat or a transformative force is for me an artificial construct. Analogous to the movement trying to make Hinduism a monolithic identity. That said, within the world of Islam, certainly there are many who are deeply reactionary, who are moving towards some frightening utopia which for someone like me is terrifying.

But I don’t characterise those people as typical of Islam. Look at Pakistan: Islamic parties never get more than 10-15 percent of the vote. They are significant, but the vast majority would rather vote for schools, jobs, food than some utopia.

<b>Q: What do you think of Musharraf? </b>
A: I am deeply ambiguous. First, on the negative count, how can the political system he’s building be sustainable? Second, there’s his willingness to use force to settle disputes within Pakistan. Third, one just doesn’t know what Pakistan foreign policy is! Are we really anti-Taliban and fully pushing for peace with India? It’s unclear. There is no transparency. We seem broadly positive, but there’s no way of knowing what the intelligence agencies or army or state actors are doing.

On the positive side, there’s been dramatic economic growth in Pakistan – almost as fast as India since 2001. There’s freedom in the media, an explosion of TV channels, kids doing things I couldn’t dream of. Lahore, Karachi – the cities have a new vibe. There also appears to be a relative desire to disengage from the affairs of our neighbours, and a relative check on the non-state violent actors within Pakistan. I’d put a question mark on that last one though.

But the trouble is there are enough sycophants in the Pakistani government to warp your sense of how right you might be. That warping process which eventually leads to monomaniacal figures has begun with Musharraf. Yet, I also think he is also sincere, not corrupt, and trying to do the best he can
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We know what world think about Pakistan.

[Guest]

Nareshji,

What is going on in sullah community? Are they worried or more hawkish?

[Guest]

<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> Manmohan a better PM than Vajpayee?
[ 11 Aug, 2006 1936hrs ISTPTI ]


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NEW DELHI: Pakistanis rate Manmohan Singh as a better Prime Minister than Atal Bihari Vajpayee with regard to Indo-Pak relations.

"Sixty per cent (in Pakistan) think Indo-Pak relations are better under Manmohan Singh than it was under his predecessor, Atal Bihari Vajpayee," according to the findings of Gallup-Outlook opinion poll in Pakistan.

A substantial majority of 55 per cent feel the people-to-people contact between the two countries has helped Indo-Pak relations while 53 per cent of the Pakistanis see India as "enemy,” The Outlook magazine said in a release here.

An overwhelming 89 per cent feel New Delhi was wrong in accusing Islamabad of exporting terrorism into India and 76 per cent of Pakistanis feel it was necessary to resolve the Kashmir issue first for peaceful relations between the two countries.

While 70 per cent of the Pakistani nationals are sure that India will never part with Kashmir, only 36 per cent of them think that issue could be resolved in their lifetime, it said.

Interestingly, there were more Pakistanis now (41 per cent) than before who were willing to accept the conversion of the Line of Control into an international border as a solution to the Kashmir problem. The figure was 29 per cent in August 2003, when the magazine conducted the last poll.

Also, 50 per cent Pakistanis think the United States was closer to India than it was to Pakistan.

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 11 2006, 09:12 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 11 2006, 09:12 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nareshji,

What is going on in sullah community? Are they worried or more hawkish?
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

If you mean in the UK then all I have noticed is that they have all had a Serious Attack of <b>Denial</b>

With all these Terrorist Activities – so close to a Disaster of Mammoth Proportions – the UK’s Leadership is still not able to believe these Acts by the <b>Devout and Exemplary Followers of the Peaceful Religion</b>.

There is no effort being made to “drill” the facts of these nefarious Terrorists by the UK Government Establishment into the Followers of the peaceful Religion in the UK.

It seems that the UK Government Leadership is behaving like the Pigeon sitting on a Rafter.

It is said that the Pigeon sees the Cat approaching and shuts its eyes thereby thinking that the Cat has gone away.

That is not the case. The Cat pounces and the Pigeon is no more.

How long the UK leadership will turn a blind eye to these <b>Devout and Exemplary Followers of the Peaceful Religion</b> I cannot say. But I dare say that when it does then Enoch Powell’s Rivers of Blood will become a Reality.

Unfortunately Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, Buddhists and most probably Christians of Indian Origin will also suffer these consequences.

I do hope that the Indians in the UK stop letting themselves be labelled as <b>South Asians</b> and start labelling themselves as People of Indian Origin.

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[Guest]

Nareshji,
Thanks for input. Now Viking blood is mixed with commie and what not. It means UK educated Indians and UK politicians have same level of impotency.

Level of freedom and impunity these followers of peace enjoy in UK is shocking. I have heard their rants in Hyde Park and every Sunday in South Hall near Lahore/Karachi restra/near McD (in 99-00). It was horrifying experience. I always felt, I am in Pakistan or some fanatic country. Most scary was early morning weekend visit by Mullah to every believer’s house to get students for preaching.


I am not surprised by this news also
<b>Private Indian carrier employee held for London plot</b>

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 11 2006, 01:51 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 11 2006, 01:51 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Reminder for tomorrow.
Try to get Video or transcript on
Pakistan involvement in current Talban uprising and Mushy free hand to Islamist to win election.
excellent review by terrorist expert on Tucker ,MSNBC
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when is this? i didn't come fri 11th aug 6p to 7p EST

[Guest]

Thanks, Jayshastri,
Here it is - link
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CARLSON:  Mass murder on an unimaginable scale.   Sounds like al Qaeda.   Is Osama bin Laden the mastermind behind it?   And if not, who else has the resources to put together a plan of this kind?  

Here to answer those questions, NBC‘s terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann.  

Evan, welcome.  You saw today, FBI Director Mueller said this plot had all the earmarks of al Qaeda.   Why would he say that? 

<b>EVAN KOHLMANN, NBC TERROR ANALYST:</b>  Well, there are a number of factors about this that we already know that seem to smack of al Qaeda.  

First of all, obviously, multiple simultaneous targets, something that al Qaeda, among other groups, particularly enjoys doing.   The targeting of airliners, something that al Qaeda has repeatedly gone back to even after 9/11.   The use of multiple operatives divided into two different cells.  One part of the cell for facilitation, one part of the cell for execution.

That is a degree of specialization within the actual terrorist cell that you very rarely see outside of organized terror groups.

And of course, look, the liquid bombs being used here.   Liquid bombs is not something you can teach yourself to build over the Internet.   It is not something you can read out of a manual.  

You need to be taught this by an instructor.  And it is something that requires training camps. 

And I think that draws attention back to something that is interesting, which is that al Qaeda apparently has reopened training camps inside of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  

We had hints at to that with regards to the 7-7 bombers in London, who apparently did train at those camps and met Ayman al-Zawahiri, the deputy head of al Qaeda at those camps.

And now, it would appear that others are going to Pakistan to train at those camps to learn how to build advanced explosives, to meet with leaders and perhaps to receive orders to carry out terrorist plots.  

CARLSON:  Well, prior to 9/1, there were, of course, a lot of terror training camps in Afghanistan, some in Pakistan.  And Pakistani intelligence, the ISI, was fully aware of their existence, and may even have helped support those camps.

Do we think the Pakistani government now is wholly on our side, or are parts of it still on the side of al Qaeda?   I mean, where is the Pakistani government on all this now? 

KOHLMANN:  <b>There are a lot of questions about that right now, especially on the other side of the border in Afghanistan.  

Afghan officials and U.S. military officials in Afghanistan have been putting a tremendous amount of public pressure on Pakistan.  Because in  their estimation—and I believe they are correct—much of the problem with the Taliban, the  resurgence of the Taliban right now in Afghanistan, can be directly traced back to what‘s going on inside  of Pakistan, with radical religious parties</b>.

There‘s a major election coming up in Pakistan.  The president of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, is trying to curry favor with those conservative religious parties. 

And in doing so, he may be taking a bit of a soft hand toward some of the Jihadists movements, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>like Loshgoritiba (ph), for instance, that has been tied to the blast that took place in Mumbai just a few weeks ago, and which continues to operate in the open inside of Pakistan under the name Jumatudowa (ph).   </span>

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Everyone knows that‘s Loshgoritiba (ph), including the government of Pakistan.  But because of political sensitivities, they are unwilling to take action. </span> You know. 
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Loshgoritiba (ph), = Lakshar-e-toiba
Jumatudowa = JUI

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<b>'Jet employee' among Britain terror suspects</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>In Pakistan, five people were arrested, bringing the total number of suspects held there to seven.</b> A Pakistani official said the five Pakistanis were believed to have been helping two British citizens taken into custody a week ago.

A US law-enforcement official in Washington said that at least one martyrdom tape was found during raids across England. The Guardian, citing British government sources, said that after the first two arrests in Pakistan, a message was sent to Britain telling the plotters, “Do your attacks now.” That message was intercepted and decoded earlier this week.\
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[Naresh]

<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

The following Article in The Times concurs with my assessment of the Muslims in Britain are in Total Denial in respect of <b>I</b>nternational <b>I</b>slamic <b>T</b>errrorism :

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ON THE streets of High Wycombe, where the police are searching a number of addresses in the anti-terrorist operation, a young Muslim called Amir denounced all talk of terrorism.

September 11, he declared, was not an act carried out by al-Qaeda suicide bombers. It had been proven to be the work of the United States Air Force.

In Birmingham, where police also arrested suspected Islamist terrorists, Mohammed Naseem, the chairman of the city’s central mosque, said that there was no proof that the July 7 bombers were British Muslims. This week’s arrests, he added, have left him saddened and annoyed.

“With the track record of the police, one doesn’t have much faith in the basis on which people are detained,” he said. “And it poses the question whether the arrests are part of a political objective, by using Muslims as a target, using the perception of terrorism to usurp all our civil liberties and get more and more control while moving towards a totalitarian state.”

<b>Such opinions, and the levels of suspicion that form them, are widely disseminated on the internet and commonly held among British Muslims, from youths on the street to those in positions of trust. They are reinforced by anger over Britain’s role in the conflicts in Lebanon and Iraq and apparent blunders such as the raid in Forest Gate, East London, earlier this year when a man was shot and no evidence of an alleged chemical weapon was found.

The existence of such views is also troubling many British Muslims, who feel that they are badly represented by those who have been appointed to speak for their community. Shahid Malik, the MP for Dewsbury, told The Times that the challenge facing the Muslim community was to face up to and face down the threat from within its own ranks.</b>

Mr Malik, one of whose constituents was Mohammed Sidique Khan, the 7/7 ringleader, attacked the Muslim Council of Britain for failing to tackle extremism. He said that many figures within the council, the national body that purports to represent British Muslims and which is frequently consulted by Downing Street, were reluctant to tackle the threat posed to the community by extremist elements.

<b>“The MCB has not challenged extremism in any regard since July 7,” he said. “It has been very good at an advocacy role on behalf of Muslims, usually blaming the Government, the police, the politicians. Sometimes that is justified. But it has been unable to look at the challenge of extremism, acknowledge it and deal with it. We really needed the MCB to take a lead after 7/7 and it was a great disappointment.”</b>

Mr Malik said he believed that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the perceived inaction of the West could push young Muslims towards extremism.

He said, however, that community leaders had a duty to speak out and say that violence and terrorism were not the answer to Muslim concerns. “We have to work to create a zero-tolerance attitude to views that are unacceptable in a decent society, to say that the 7/7 bombers are not martyrs going to Heaven but sinners going to Hell.”

Muhammad Abdul Bari, the secretary-general of the MCB, rejected criticism that his organisation was denying the existence of extremism. He said that there was a problem of denial within a small part of the Muslim community but that it was not the biggest problem facing Muslims.

Dr Bari added: “I have spoken to many young people and scholars this week and they are 100 per cent supportive of the police if it is proven that everything the police are saying is correct. But many people have doubts after what happened in Forest Gate.”

He said that he and other MCB leaders were aware that elements of the community were at risk of being radicalised by fringe groups but believed that too much attention was paid to the subject. “The discourse in the media is about radicalism, extremism and alienation of the Muslim community, but this is not helping the Muslims or wider society because it creates an image of ‘us and them’.”

In an open letter to the Prime Minister, which appears as an advertisement in The Times today, Dr Bari and other Muslim leaders state: “Current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the UK and abroad.” The letter adds: “To combat terror, the Government has focused extensively on domestic legislation. While some of this will have an impact, the Government must not ignore the role of its foreign policy.”

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British government should close immigration from Pakistan. Pakistani and Bangladeshis are involved in lot of crime. Local UK Pakis claims ,most of them are executed by visiting relative from Pakistan.

Above article is no surprise, every single muslim is in denial. Where ever they are involved they blame poverty, discrimination ,....etc.

[Guest]

The leftist will have a new reason now to call for peace talks with pakistan as the Mush government is what seem to have helped the UK police to unravel the Biggest terror bid.

[Guest]

<b>PoK quake money used by LeT to fund Britain plot</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Islamic charity body remitted amount to 3 men ---- Investigators probing the plot to blow up several aircraft from <b>Britain to US suspected involvement four Islamic militant groups including Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba and Sunni extremist outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.</b>

The probe revealed that funds provided by a UK-based Islamic charity for earthquake relief in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, (PoK) have apparently been used to target planes, media report here said today.
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The links with LeT, which was banned by Pakistan, was disquieting for Islamabad as the outfit has already been blamed for Mumbai bomb blasts last month. New Delhi has been demanding Pakistan to take stern action against the Jamaat- ud-Dawa (JUD), an Islamic charity organisation, which India says is the re-incarnation of LeT.

A day before the plot to blow up the planes unfolded in London, Pakistan police in a midnight swoop put the LeT founder leader and head of JUD Hafeez Sayeed under house arrest. His detention on August 10 was perceived to be because of pressure from India, though JUD spokesman Yahya Mujahid denied any link.

According to Mujahid, Sayeed was arrested to prevent him from taking part in a rally planned to be held by the group on August 14, Pakistan's Independence Day
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<b>4 Islamic groups, including Pak-based Lashkar-e-Toiba and Sunni extremist outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are suspect in London plot</b>

Funds by UK-based Islamic charity for earthquake relief in PoK used to target planes

Several plotters had travelled to Pakistan in the last couple of weeks and met at least one suspected Al Qaeda operative

Plotters received a coded message from Pakistan to "attack now." This message was intercepted by the police

Pakistan denied there was any connection between the terror plot and the house arrest of LeT founder Hafeez Muhammad Sayeed

US daily says Pakistan remains prime focus of US Intelligence and security agencies. "Everything is coming out of there," a US Intelligence source was quoted as saying.

<b>Sleuths probing German link of terror brigade</b>

Bush says: "We must never make the mistake of thinking the danger of terrorism has passed. This week's experience reminds us of a hard fact -<b> the terrorists have to succeed only once to achieve their goal of mass murder, while we have to succeed every time to stop them."</b>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/12/world/eu...12pakistan.html
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...For Pakistan, success of this kind is a double-edged word. It allows Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, to exhibit the country’s importance as a front-line ally in the global war against terror. It is also a tacit acknowledgment that Pakistan remains a nexus for would-be terrorists from halfway across the world.

...General Musharraf’s vocal support for American counterterrorist efforts has not always been matched by action. But the administration is reluctant to do anything that might add to the pressure on the Pakistani president, leader of an impoverished nuclear-armed nation of some 280 million people.
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<b>'4 Islamic groups suspected in UK terror plot'</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The links of the arrested suspect could not be confirmed, but the sources said intelligence agencies had put four Islamic organisations on the watch list and they included two UK-based outfits Al Mahajroon and Hizbul Tehrir, and two Pakistani organisations Lashkar-e-Tayiba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi," the daily Dawn reported.

Also Rauf Rashid, the British national of Pakistan origin, officially identified as the key suspect by Pakistan on Friday who providing the tip-off on the plot to blow up US-bound aircraft with liquid explosives as the father of Tayyab Rauf, a suspect who was arrested in Britain in connection with 7/7 London bombings, it said.
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<b>We are in denial... our is peace full and pious religion</b>.
Mian Jan Shahbji ka javab nahi ...Fake terror plot upon plots

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gallup released a new poll which finds that many Americans -- what it calls “substantial minorities” – harbor negative feelings or prejudices against people of the Muslim faith”. Nearly one in four Americans, 22%, say they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbour<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
he is a liar also.

[Hauma Hamiddha]

As per the peaceful brethern it is not their fault. See the hidden threat in the second statement. Rather than accept that their ideology is the one causing problem all over, they go about claiming that others are to blame so they will cause problems.

British Moslems in denial

Some of the leading British Muslims have urged Prime Minister Tony Blair to <b>step up efforts in bringing an end to the Middle East violence, alleging that the Iraq war and UK's "failure" to use its influence to end Israeli attacks on civilians are fuelling extremism at home.</b>

In an open letter to Blair, they charged that <b>current foreign policy of the government fans the flames of extremism and may put British citizens at risk of attack, both in the UK and abroad.</b>

"The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all," The Independent newspaper quoted the letter as saying.

"We urge the prime minister ...to show the world that we value the lives of civilians wherever they live and whatever their religion," the letter said adding that "Such a move would make us all safer."

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British police official accused of bias

Lord Stevens, whose continuing responsibilities include the inquiry into Princess Diana's death, called on Muslims to <b>"stop the denial, endless fudging and constant wailing that somehow it is everyone else's problem and, if Islamic terrorism exists at all, they are somehow the main victims".</b>

<b>"When will the Muslim community in this country accept an absolute, undeniable, total truth: that Islamic terrorism is their problem?"</b> wrote Lord Stevens, former commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police, in an opinion column for the News of the World.

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Even Indian media and so called p-sec are also in denial that Muslim of Indian origin can't get involved in terrorism because India is a democracy. I always defer from them and when this plot was unfolded, I was sure and wrote, we will find Indian origin Muslim in this plot. It is a beginning not a end. Now Indian Muslim is more connected with Pan-Islamic agenda. In India, Muslim population had reached to a demographic critical level and weak government is encouraging Muslim new found power.

Outside India, Indian muslim prefer to socialize with muslims of other countries than Indian Hindus.

<b>Britain terror plot: Indian immigrant's son arrested</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The teenage son of a Muslim immigrant from India and suspected Al-Qaeda leader in Britain are among the 24 people arrested in connection with the foiled plot to blow up the US-bound planes from the UK, according to a media report.

<b>Seventeen-year-old Abdul Patel, the youngest among the suspects held last Thursday, is the son of a Muslim immigrant from India</b>, the report said. Patel was one of the 19 suspects who were named and whose assets were frozen by Bank of England
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The friend claimed that Patel's character had changed two or three years ago when<b> his father, a mechanic called Mohammed, travelled to Iraq on a Muslim aid mission and, apparently, never returned home</b>, the paper said
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