10-04-2006, 11:51 PM
[The consumption of meat and ,meat products is on the increase all over India.KFC,Mc Donneld etc as well as Indian local outfits are doing excellent progress economically.
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10-04-2006, 11:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[The consumption of meat and ,meat products is on the increase all over India.KFC,Mc Donneld etc as well as Indian local outfits are doing excellent progress economically. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are they serving pork to Muslims or beef to Hindus???????
10-05-2006, 12:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravish+Oct 4 2006, 02:21 PM-->QUOTE(Ravish @ Oct 4 2006, 02:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->[The consumption of meat and ,meat products is on the increase all over India.KFC,Mc Donneld etc as well as Indian local outfits are doing excellent progress economically.
[right][snapback]58508[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> And so are also progressing the organizations like Haldirams, Gayathri Bhavan, Sarvana Bhavan, Agarwal Sweets etc, which cater strict vegitarian food. The balance sheet of these chains of restaurant is much healthier, and their popularity much wider. The growth is generic and widespread. It is because people are having more money and want to eat out more frequently. No 'value degrading' here. Simple economics, demand and supply.
10-05-2006, 12:06 AM
<!--emo&:eager--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lmaosmiley.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lmaosmiley.gif' /><!--endemo--> Ravish,
I can very well understand ur dilemma. What's going thru ur mind is: have I come back from 1 abroad to another abroad instead of home? I have not been to India for the last 13 yrs and most of the members even may not have continuously lived in India. So, basically, it's ur judgement call. Good Luck!
10-05-2006, 12:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have not been to India for the last 13 yrs and most of the members even may not have continuously lived in India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I frequently visit India, every year or sometimes twice a year. I am not one of those NRI who go back India and complain about everything in India. Other than water borne infection, no problem otherwise. Some changes in urban doesnât mean everything have changed in India. I don't eat junk food, so have no experience of McD or Wendy or KFC restra in US, can't say about these places in India. I don't think I have ever seen any never ending line outside fast food restra in India. Same one can't say about Roshan ki Kulfi in Delhi or Narula's. Not sure how many McD or KFC one can find in 24Pargana or Jabhua or Ropar. In my area there are atleast 35 Indian restra and 15+ Indian grocery stores, should be start saying whole US is changing, soon it will be Hindu America or India/
10-05-2006, 12:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravish+Oct 4 2006, 01:56 PM-->QUOTE(Ravish @ Oct 4 2006, 01:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->[Yes Virenji,
Given the limitations of the effect of changing time, do you have any idea how to preserve our culture from total dilution to the point of extinction. [right][snapback]58502[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ravishji, I'm glad you asked. To answer, I'll restate my original question: what are the true indicators of our culture? And what metrics would you use to measure them? What if any is a true indicator of culture in your home might not be in mine and or someone elses? Let's first learn to respect that first and foremost - this is the true <i>Bhartiya sabhyata</i>. You'll notice I did defend your stance on meating eating of whatever kind since I personally believe that it's not a true indicator or representative of our cultural values. What one puts in his mouth is his personal choice. And I say this having friends who are Hindus some who who eat and others who don't; some jewish friends don't eat crustaceans; most muslims don't eat pork; some Christians don't eat red meat during the period of Lent and we have Jains who don't eat even garlic and onions. Rafique Zakaria father of Fareed Zakaria tried it sometime back when Kalam was elected President as to whether <i>Kalam's a true Muslim or not</i>. I think we are better than that to judge individuals by their food intake. At times when our Union Agricultural minister is busy with BCCI post as our farmers who feed the nation are committing suicide in Vidharba, AP, Karnataka etc, discussions on eating meat or not, is hardly relevant and means little to âpreserve cultureâ if our people themselves are being extinct. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not sure how many McD or KFC one <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mudy, Pizza hut in India serves 'paneer tikka toppings', Dominos have 'channa bhatura' toppings. Some have even 'Jain' special without garlic/onion. Frito lays has chips with India spices/flavors (tikka, namkeen etc). Pick any international brand in India and you'll see localization. The multinationals will have to wrap up if they don't adapt to local palate. So while there's a give, there's also a take.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Indian tradition meets Swiss chic at Hinduja wedding
TIMES NEWS NETWORK, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 03, 2006 12:00:00 AM <!--emo&:rocker--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rocker.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rocker.gif' /><!--endemo--> MUMBAI: No alcohol. No non-vegetarian delicacies. No special chefs flown in from across the globe. Just shuddh shakahari khana with exotic mocktails made from fresh fruit to wash it down. But the swish set needed no incentive to grace the wedding reception of Prakash Hindujaâs daughter Renuka Hinduja and Swiss lawyer Olivier Cavadini. The A-list of politicians and corporates dropped by while Mumbaiâs tinsel-town provided the touch of glamour as Bollywood stars and directors sashayed down the red carpet to wish the newly-weds. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/arti...069752.cms <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes verenji,
The US Chains are catering to the ever-decreasing number of vegetarians in India by serving some vegetarian preparations. They want to have maxim mum business and therefore, apart from veg items they have also considerably changed the sauces used in non-veg dishes to make it more attractive to the Indian customer. Have you noticed the increase and popularity of chow min now being prepared by even roadside dhabas in Delhi? Even in Narula, the number of non-veg customer has registered a substantial increase. As you must be aware, in the West over the years vegetarianism has become an in thing and the popularity of Indian vegetarian dishes and preparations are on the increase. Strange are the ways of human behaviour.
10-09-2006, 07:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Youth mantra: Being Hindu is hip </b>
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/youth-mantra-b...ip/23537-3.html New Delhi: Twenty-five-year old Namit Bhalla is an account manager at Timesjobs.com. He is a regular guy with regular tastes but quite a contrast to that, Namit also spends half an hour every morning doing his puja and reciting shlokas. <b>Namit fasts on Tuesdays and on Navratra, and visits Vaishnodevi once every year. Apart form that he is into astrology and he is chanting Buddhists shlokas nowadays</b>. <b>So how do the party-going Namit and puja-doing Namit co-exist? âThese two things never conflict with each other,â says Namit. Being Hindu is not some thing that would throw you back to your grandparents but it is hip and showing that you are one is hipper nowadays.</b> The youth today are wearing religion and they are wearing it with pride. They show it by either wearing images of the Gods and symbols in their t-shirts or using them as wallpapers on their mobile phones or even their PCs for that matter. They even use the shlokas as their ring tones. âIt is in style and in fashion and besides that it gives a traditional look,â says a youth. However, what is making the young and the restless turn religious? Is it inner turmoil or a need to turn to God? âYouth symbolises freedom, adventure and romanticism, and all these things could be expressed though religion,â says associate professor, Dept of Political Science, JNU, Prof Pralay Kanungo. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>"Hindu and proud of it,â seems to be the new mantra for a lot of young people these days. </span> Only western hippies thought Krishna was cool once, <b>but for these trendy nirvana seekers of the Y2K generation, there are new Gods sitting along side their computers and mobile phones.</b> "A warrior relaxes and abandons himself; he fears nothing.Only then will the powers that guide human destiny open the road for a warrior and aid him. Only then...."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
10-10-2006, 10:25 AM
Such stray exceptions should not be taken as the general trend.It is a fact that in the West vegetarianism is an in thing but unfortunately not in India.
10-10-2006, 12:05 PM
Sorry Ravish,
I don't understand your posts about this subject. What is the point of wailing about Indians abandoning Vegetarianism, <b>when you are not a vegetarian yourself</b>? As you have already intimated, <b>you eat beef</b>. So, how can a person who has such tastes whine and complain about others who develop the same tastes? If you are not whining, but using your claims about Indians today to justify your own behavior on this issue, <b>you don't have to</b>. No justication is necessary. You can live your own life however you want. You don't need any character certificates from us. If you are merely using your posts to show to us vegetarians how wrong we are about this issue, and <b>how right you are</b>, then forget about it. We are not going to begin eating meat just to make you happy. So, give it up and enjoy life.
10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
Vishwasji,
You missed the main point of this discussion. It has nothing about individuals, I have full respect of others and their ways of life. In my family itself, there are people who keep fast on several occasions and are vegetarian on Tuesday. The simple point I am trying to make is that there is erosion of Indian values and the process is continuing at a very fast pace.To arrest the situation what should be the stratigy given the fact that we cannot and should not expect the State to step in and do something. Recently, there was a move to discard the saree for some other dress by the lady cabin crew of a nationalised airlines, in view of trousers and scarts worn by some of their rivals in the private sector. The opposition came from a very unexpected quarter, the CPM came out in defence of the saree. Jai Hind
10-10-2006, 05:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Recently, there was a move to discard the saree for some other dress by the lady cabin crew of a nationalised airlines, in view of trousers and scarts worn by some of their rivals in the private sector.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ravish ji, I think its better not to wear uncomfortable dressing in the Cabin crew. No doubt that saree is indian dressing. But, from when on we started determining "indianness" by the dress one wears?
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravish+Oct 10 2006, 04:17 AM-->QUOTE(Ravish @ Oct 10 2006, 04:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->It has nothing about individuals, I have full respect of others and their ways of life.
The simple point I am trying to make is that there is erosion of Indian values and the process is continuing at a very fast pace.To arrest the situation what should be the stratigy... [right][snapback]58847[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let me share a story. I think it is from Sri Shiv Puran. Once upon a time there was a rich and vast kingdom. The king was a devout Shiv devotee, and a very able administrator, very worthy king. Slowly Slowly the kingdom's wealth started declining, people started to turn to crimes, drinking and gambling were on the rise. Famines started becoming frequent. Donations to Bhikshuks dropped. People stopped sending their childern to gurukuls. King tried to analyze all the possible root causes of the situation that had befallen, but could not see why that was happening. He then called on a great sage who used to live in the nearby forest. Sage promised to meditate over the situation, and come back to the king in a weeks time. After the week had passed, the sage came to the king, and said he had found out the remedy of the situation. There was an ancient Shiv temple in the capital, which had a huge pond which had gone dry for long time. Sage told the king that the pond needs to be filled with cow's milk. One spoon or glass of milk had to come from every family living in the capital. And that had to be done only on the midnight of coming Amavasya. King announced this in capital that all families should bring little bit of milk to the pond on Amavasya midnight. Thus it happened. People gathered in thousands, that night and pond was filled. Next morning, sage took the king to the temple, and they noticed that the pond was filled with water rather than the milk. All the people previous night thought since everyone else was bringing the milk, what if they themselves only brought water. This way everyone brought water and no one milk - and the pond got filled with water and not milk. Sage explained, that this was the cause of the situation in his kingdom. Everyone expected others to do something, but nobody did anything for their own self. Our situation is not very different. As I had pointed before, soceity is nothing but a collection of individual. As long as we ourselves are not upto the ideals we are expecting from soceity, soceity will never be upto those ideals. What is needed is to bring salvation from inside. There is nothing which will happen from outside. Noone else but "I" can improve the situation. Shivaji, Vivekanand will take birth in our own homes and not neighbours. But we need to make the environment of "OUR" home, such. Needs personal sacrifices. Only those who are doing those sacrifices, have the right to complain about the declining values of the society.
10-10-2006, 08:27 PM
Bodhi,
Thanks, very uplifting post. Made my day.
10-10-2006, 08:37 PM
Same here.. <!--emo&:guitar--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/guitar.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='guitar.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:rock--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rock.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rock.gif' /><!--endemo-->
10-10-2006, 08:53 PM
<!--emo&:argue--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/argue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='argue.gif' /><!--endemo--> Mudy, Bodhi et al,
1st lines in Psychology by Coleman: The difference between normal and abnormal is what is acceptable to society at a given time. He further elucidates by giving an example: When majority will be of liars, lying will not be abnormal. Similarly when the values are changing so fast in society, the dilemma is whether to keep harping on old values or go along with new values. 
10-10-2006, 10:07 PM
In the early part of this decade there was an op-ed in the Telegraph from Kolkota that lamented the rise of Punjabification of India and the decline of the Bengali norms which were prevalent pre-Independence. Punjabization was defined as loud music, ladies dancing at barat etc. Gradually I noted that this was an all Indian phenomenon not just confined to West Bengal and even India.
Last week I was watching a Telugu movie that showed the principal actors in an engergetic version of the bhangra. Then I realized that the Bengalization was a double dhimmification- fron Islamic and Victorian British rulers. The Bengalization is a response to the prim and propah Victorian British mores. I noted in my recent trip to Hyderabad that Kali puja also called "bonallu' was very prevalent and supported by the people and the politicians. It was not like that 30 years ago when Hyderabad and Secundrabad still were under the grip of the Nizami and the British standards of behavior. Now its the rural folk who have come to cities that have brought their culture and are asserting themselves. Folsk, Dont get hung up on Ravish personal mores but his message. He is noting the passing of an era. That is important. So all these things that Ravish is noticing are a result of de-dhimmification. Who knows where it will lead? But as Tagore sang "Into that heaven of freedom let my country awake!"
10-10-2006, 10:14 PM
Nothing is static in this world. Therefore, we have to change out thinking and values. We have to accept the change. In our society today what are happening, new values and customs are replacing old ones. Some of us are readily accepting the change in varying degrees and some of us are unable to accept the change and in the process bringing in mental stress and depression. The fast pace of replacement of the joint family by the unitery family in itself is a big change which many of the elders are unable to accept. With globalization, an increasing number of Indians are getting married to foreigners. Some of the parents are gladly accepting their fate and some are pretending to be happy, but are greatly depressed in their heart.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravish+Oct 10 2006, 12:44 PM-->QUOTE(Ravish @ Oct 10 2006, 12:44 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nothing is static in this world. Therefore, we have to change out thinking and values. [right][snapback]58869[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Absolutely. Change is welcome. Change is good. Change is life. But let us not get carried away. Social changes happen from various causes. -> economics -> foreign influence -> value shift -> environmental, political Some changes are healthy and good, some are neutral, others are negative. One must use the proper conscience and decide the nature of change. Here you mentioned - a) reduction in joint family culture, b) inter-caste and inter-race marriage. Both of these are driven by 'economics'. Why should these be counted as a value-shift? Should these bother us as negative? |
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