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Indian Perception Of History
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Amber Habib's India Page
a_habib@yahoo.com

History: I started this page in 1995 as a collection of links to articles and sites about issues in India. Unfortunately many of those links are now dead. The aim now is to have a smaller collection which I can keep up to date. The old page exists and could still be useful.

India's official existence dates from 1947. The following speeches eloquently express the hopes and fears of that time.

Tryst With Destiny
Jawaharlal Nehru The Light Has Gone Out
Jawaharlal Nehru
Presidential Address Indian History Congress
Mohammad Habib

Prof. Habib talks of "this great achievement . . . accompanied by a great failure and tarnished by a greater disgrace" - that of partition and the accompanying violence. The divisions that brought this about still persist, and now their creators and nurturers masquerade as patriots, and are hailed as such. Their visions of our land are astonishingly dark. They see our wealth of culture as a source of shame and not a resource. The dream of a prosperous country geared to the needs of all its citizens is not for them: they prefer the desolation of the battlefield. In Pakistan they say that the time before Islam arrived here was one of barbarism, that it took muslim rule to civilize us, and that rule is the right of the muslim. In India, that the muslim invaders brought only destruction, that our civilization has been taken from us, and to get it back the muslim must be destroyed. It is worthwhile therefore to see how the notion of India has actually developed over the ages, particularly during the freedom struggle.

The Envisioning of a Nation a defence of the idea of India
Irfan Habib Then They Kill Each Other
Kabir
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Badruddin Tyabji

Abbas Tyabji

M. A. Jinnah

Mohd. Habib

Mohd. Mujeeb

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An interesting aspect of the so-called Hindu-Muslim divide is that its proponents deny all other divides. The most obvious of these are the ones arising from class, caste, gender and region.


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THE ENVISIONING OF A NATION

--A defence of the Idea of India

Irfan Habib

Comrades and friends,

It is a matter of great honour for me to be asked to contribute an address for the A.K.G. Centre's seminar commemorating Comrade EMS Namboodiripad. I must render my sincere regrets and apologies for not being able personally to present what I have written, especially since, as in the case of most people in the Communist movement, EMS has been a living influence in our lives. His firm linking of the freedom struggle with the fight for socialism, his steadfast adherence to Marxism in the most difficult circumstances, the precedence he gave to the interests of the people of the country as a whole, his painstaking contribution to the implantation of Marxist ideology in his beloved Kerala, and, above all, his undaunted opposition to all forms of chauvinism, are elements of a legacy from which all of us will draw inspiration for a long, long time. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Presidential Address
Indian History Congress
Tenth Session
Bombay
December 26, 1947

Mohammad Habib
Professor of History,
Aligarh

http://www.geocities.com/a_habib/Dada/ihc.html



In this solemn and sacred hour, when our organisation is meeting for the first time under the flag of a free and independent India, it is our privilege and duty on behalf of ourselves and of students of Indian history in generations yet to come to pay our humble tribute to Mahatma Gandhi and the leaders of the Indian National Congress for their world-historic achievement. This is not a question on which the opinion of well-informed contemporaries can be overthrown by the researches of posterity. At a time when, in an atmosphere of inexpressible gloom, our country was lying helpless under the heel of the foreigner, without self-respect, without vision and without hope, it pleased the Lord to send to us the greatest Indian teacher of all times; and under his divinely inspired guidance we have, after a bloodless struggle of thirty years, liquidated peacefully and by mutual agreement one of the most powerful empires the world has seen. Neither the foreign ruler nor his Indian underling has suffered anything in the process; the wounds and the sufferings have been entirely ours, and ours also the glory of the moral endeavour and accomplishment. No Revolution so pacific and so momentous is found in the history of any land.

But this great achievement, unfortunately, has been accompanied by a great failure and tarnished by a greater disgrace. Soon after the Mutiny, the British Army Commission evolved the formula of "counterpoise of natives against natives"; and this formula was taken up by the civil administration and applied to every sphere, including the subsidisation of pseudo-religious movements, whose main purpose was the creation of friction and bitterness. With the institution of communal electorates, a hideous arrangement which no western democracy would have tolerated for a moment, a political platform was prepared for the perpetuation of communal conflicts. Normally the representatives of a people are by their very position driven to seek the interests of the people as a whole, and the reconciliation of conflicting interests is one of their primary duties. But the artificial arrangement of communal electorates provided that a representative would be primarily judged not by what he did for the country or even for his community, but by what he did against the rest. The differences of religion, inevitable in a large country like ours, were thus fused into two opposite political groups, and their increasing hostility was inevitable as with each succeeding election, and an expanding body of voters, all representatives were required to appeal exclusively to masses of their own denomination. It was obviously calculated that in this struggle the minority would lean more and more on the foreign power, and try to prove worthy of its support by sabotaging the national movement. So, finally, both east and west of our constitutional, secular and democratic republic, they have created the Dominion of Pakistan under the pretence that it is a `Muslim State'. Of the horrors with which this Partition has been accompanied - of the six million people or more uprooted from the homes of their ancestors, of corpses that no one has been able to count, and of crimes seen and credibly reported - this is not the place to speak. But no amount of provocation by the guilty can justify retaliation against those who are perfectly innocent. Mussalmans, Sikhs and Hindus have proved themselves almost equally guilty; and this mark of disgrace on the forehead of our generation will be remembered for years to come. As a result of this hideous criminality, the like of which is not to be found in the whole history of our ancient land, no Hindu minority worth mentioning has been left in West Punjab and the Frontier Province; and as an inevitable consequence, which everyone with common sense could have foreseen, the Muslim minorities have been driven out of East Punjab and the adjoining Indian States. At the moment it seems that the blame for the destruction of the Hindu minority in West Punjab and the Frontier rests entirely on the League leaders in Pakistan, while responsibility for the destruction of the Muslim minority as a retaliatory measure, rests on the Hindu and Sikh leaders of the area concerned. But it is evident to the discerning even now, and will be accepted as an incontrovertible fact in course of time, that another agency has been at work and is responsible for the situation that has inevitably led to this holocaust. Alone among the political groups of this country, the Congress High Command has retained its sanity and balance and has adhered, in spite of increasing difficulties, to its conception of a democratic and secular state, which derives its strength from the age-old moral and spiritual traditions of our people. Judging from what it has accomplished, the Nehru Cabinet gives us a fine vision of the future National Governments of India.
It is absolutely necessary to state that, so far as the historian of India is concerned, the country has always been one and indivisible, and will always continue to be so. The unity of India is one of the fundamental postulates of Indian moral consciousness, and the longing for a centralised administration has been one of the most visible and persistent demands of the political spirit of the Indians through the ages. All the greatest achievements of our past have somehow gone with the establishment of a central administration at Pataliputra, Kannauj, Ujjain or Delhi. The breaking up of India into two separate States, or law making organisations with exclusive citizenship, which creates a spirit of hostility, and in any case of independence and separateness, not only between the governments but also between the people, and the establishment of one of these States on a purely religious and communal basis - this sort of monstrosity has never been known to the history of our land. The public opinion of the Indian Union persistently demands a re-unification of the country. I will humbly put it to our rulers here that they are not only responsible to their electorate and their party-organisation but also to history - to the generations that have gone and the generations that are yet to come. National freedom without national unity loses three-fourths of its value, and the reunion of India should be one of our primary aims. But if the universal verdict of history is of any value, this reunion should be brought about by peaceful methods. Force in modern times creates more problems than it solves, and the alternative to peace is death. No intelligent Indian should talk of civil war. Our demand for unity is based on the fact that, inspite of the present political arrangements, the conception of a common citizenship continues on both sides of the present artificial frontier. Given wise, statesman-like and patient guidance - even on one side - this conception will in due course re-assert itself in the political institutions of our people.

II

Current political problems do not come within the scope of our Congress, but the study of Indian civilisation in all its aspects is our primary aim. It is also (as Carlyle puts it) the duty of the historian "to tell what o'clock it is in the history of mankind."

On the fundamental unity of our country - the sacred land where the black gazelles graze and the munja grass grows and the pan-leaf is eaten, and where the material and the spiritual are organically interwoven - there has been no difference between the Indian intelligentsia at any time. But the character of that unity has differed from age to age, and I will content myself with examining one aspect of it, which in some respects is of supreme importance.

Of the founders of Indian unity and Indian civilisation during the Indus Valley period and the centuries preceding it, no memory remains either in legend or song. But it is possible to define the character of the civilisation of the Hindus or the Indians (both these words are derived from our frontier river, the Indus) as a unified growth within the historic memory of our people. Its basis is Dharma, the universal law of morality which must always regulate the relation of man and man. Hinduism has no known founder, no dogma or exclusive standpoint and, interpreted in its largest sense, it has no scriptural texts in which all are required to believe. The Khwarazmian scholar, Abu Raihan Alberuni, in trying to discover a universal principle in the religion of the Indians in the early eleventh century, thought he found it, first, in the doctrine of metempsychosis, and, secondly, in the belief in the one and unseen God; the Hindu intelligentsia, he tells us, "would never dream of worshipping an image manufactured to represent Him." But philosophical atheism has been freely tolerated in our land and belief in metempsychosis has not been so universal as Alberuni supposed. Still, the first foreign scholar who made a critical study of the Indian `culture-groups', could not fail to note that supreme principle of Indian civilisation - the principle of toleration - without which the co-existence of the `culture-groups' would not have been possible. But he underrated its importance. "On the whole," he says, "there is very little disputing about theological topics among themselves; at the most they will fight about words, but they will never stake their souls or their bodies or their property on religious controversy." It was not to be expected that in a country so large all people would develop the same world-philosophy or agree on a uniform mode of living. So almost from the beginning of our recorded history every Indian, who had the capacity to do so, has been free to organise any sort of sect, philosophical school, religious order, or sangha. The process, as we all know, still continues. There was, if anything, too much of freedom and even criminal practices were tolerated where outsiders were not concerned. These culture-groups were by their nature expansive and lived by proselytisation. One and all they tried to get an all-India status for without such a status their footing could never be secure. And in the course of their organisational work, they inevitably drew closer the bonds between the various parts of the country. All that is great in the history of the Hindu period is due to the achievements of the culture-groups. The free development of these culture-groups was only possible on the basis of tolerance; religious persecution is totally alien to the spirit of our land. But it followed as a necessary corollary that every Indian had to be a member of some culture-group. The man with no culture-group to protect him and to guarantee his behaviour was a complete outlaw.

The advent of Islam made no essential difference in the general character of our country. But in order to lift the curtain that, for political purposes, has been laid over the history of our middle ages, I feel bound to make a few explanatory remarks. There is no term in classical Arabic or Persian that can express the conceptions of `sovereignty' and `state', which Europe evolved in the sixteenth century. The conceptions themselves are absent. The term "Allah and His Prophet" are used by the Quran; but all educated Muslims have during the last thirteen centuries agreed with Imam Abu Hanifa that there could be no question of continuing the government of "Allah and His Prophet" after the death of Hazrat Ali. All Muslim governments, thereafter, have been secular organisations, combinations of politicians for their political objectives, bourgeoisie affairs. Neither in India nor elsewhere did medieval Islam ever postulate a "Muslim state" as distinct from a government by Muslim officers - apart perhaps from a sort of spirit-consoling dream that the government of "Allah and His Prophet" would be possible once more when Jesus Christ arises or Imam Mahdi returns. Concerning existing governments, and their possible alternatives, Muslim religious consciousness of the higher type has always adhered to the traditions of Imam Hambal and Imam Abu Hanifa and regarded them as sinful organisations whose service is forbidden to the true seekers after Allah. In the religious literature of the Indian Muslims, there is no idolisation of the great rulers of Delhi and, so far as possible, even reference to contemporary rulers is avoided.

The overwhelming mass of the Muslims of this land have an undoubted Indian paternity. It is true that there are innumerable Muslim families in India who claim a foreign origin, but this affiliation is purely fictitious. Owing to the Saljuq, Ghazz and Mongol invasions of Central Asia and Afghanistan, such Turkish fugitives as could do so migrated to our country in distress during the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. It is these fugitives, and not the so-called `invaders', who have given us the only block of immigrants worth mentioning in the history of the middle ages. But their identity has been completely lost, and no one meets Central Asian Turkish families in India today. As to the Indian Muslim `foreigners' of the last four or five centuries, the general practice has been that a Rajput converted to Islam is called a `Pathan', while a converted working man and peasant is pushed still higher and becomes an Arab of the Koraish tribe. Most converts to the new faith belonged either to the lower peasantry of the countryside or to the working elements of the cities, and mostly to the latter. There is a complete historical justification for the claim of the `Koraish' and `Ansar' political organisations that between them they represent 80% of the Mussalmans of India. Their proportion is in all probability higher still. The Muslim culture-group or millat has always been what it is today - a body belonging primarily to the indigenous working class and the petit bourgeoisie. This is also the primary reason for its survival, inspite of the complete disappearance of the Turkish governing class.

In days when we were suffering from an inferiority complex owing to the brutal fact of a foreign government, which seemed unshakable, we made the best we could of our medieval Rajput Rajas and Turkish Sultans. That attitude is no longer necessary; and the plain truth has to be told that all our medieval governments were intensely exclusive aristocratic organisations. Some of them worked for the public good; others most certainly did not. But one and all they were confined to the cream of the aristocracy - Rajputs among the Hindus, Turkish and Afghan bureaucrats and nobles among the Muslims. War and politics were games which only the well-born were allowed to play. The governments were in no sense governments of the people. An analysis of the officers of the Moghul and the pre-Moghul governments of Delhi will reveal the plain and sad fact that Muslims of Indian birth were rigidly excluded from the higher military and civil offices of the state. An Indian Muslim had as little chance of becoming war-lord of the Empire of Delhi as a Hindu Sudra had of ascending a Rajasthan throne. The so-called Muslim period of Indian history is really the Turkish period with two Afghan interludes in between. It seems ironical giving the name of Muslim period to a time when the Mussalmans of India, by the unfortunate fact of their birth, were excluded from all high offices. The position of the Indian Mussalmans in the middle ages was, if a very rough simile be allowed, not unlike that of the Indian Christians during the British period. The democratic spirit of Islam and its principle of equality has been a powerful social influence among the indigenous Muslims, but it would be vain to regard our medieval period as an expression of Islamic democracy or Islamic equality. Neither of the two great Empires of the middle ages gave to the Indian Muslims the representation they have got in the present Congress regime.

To sum up : Government during the Hindu period had been a function of the aristocracy, never of the culture-groups or their leaders. The same principle of political organisation continued during the Turkish period with a change in personnel of the governors.

Two reforms in this time-honoured system, which was becoming unworkable, were attempted by Akbar, the Great. First, he combined the Turkish and Rajput nobility into the bureaucracy of the Moghul Empire with remarkable success. Secondly, in consonance with his policy of sulh-i-kul (universal peace) he made a vigorous attempt to harmonise all Indian culture-groups. In the semi-religious and non-religious spheres, like architecture, painting and music, his success was significant. But in the purely religious sphere he failed completely. We need not be surprised at the fact that the greatest of our medieval rulers failed in achieving what Indian public opinion alone can accomplish.

The English government succeeded against its European rivals because, among other things, it was out to establish not the dominance of the Christian culture-group but merely of an English governing class with the help of existing Indian vested interests, and of interests specially created to support the foreign power. So on the one hand, it subsidised a conflict of culture-groups and established for itself the prestige of being the sole possible arbiter between them. On the other hand, it felt that as a governing authority it would not be able to function successfully unless it deprived the culture-groups of a large sphere of their power. It is to this fact that we owe the establishment of the modern judiciary and the promulgation of the Anglo-Indian codes. But even here it had a historical precedent to follow. Criminal law even in ancient times had been a function of government. The Moghul Empire had developed its own system of criminal law, independent of the shariat and the shastras, along with principles of adjudication where litigants of two different culture-groups were concerned.

The problem must not now be viewed in its medieval setting. The situation has completely changed. While on the one hand, Akbar and all previous rulers could only give us an all-India or imperial government, the national movement has given us a sovereign or law-making State. On the other hand, the culture-groups have also completely altered their basic character along with their aims and objects during two centuries of British rule. The old culture-group provided for its members the road to salvation. Incidentally it also promised a `culture-group paradise' and denied that paradise to all other culture-groups. But since their points of differences could only be settled in the other world, there was no difficulty in working on the principle of religious toleration here below. The modern culture-groups have completely shifted their ground; they have become "communities" seeking their material interests at the expense of other communities and the general body. There is little or no theological conflict in the land worth mentioning; only the material interests of the old historic groups are involved. And since material interests, unlike spiritual values, are believed to be hostile, so that one group can have nothing except at the expense of another, the conflict has become increasingly bitter. The only relation between the modern community and the old culture-group is the fact of physical descent and such historic continuity as physical descent involves. The spiritual values so dear to the culture-groups of the past have almost completely vanished; simultaneously what was best in the moral and spiritual acquisitions of the old culture-groups has become the inheritance of all Indians. The tragedy of it from the view-point of the Indian nationalist lies in the fact that while the historic culture-groups are more and more inclined to materialism and, I feel sorry to add, even to gangsterism, the hold of the `community' over the individual is as complete today as it was in the middle ages. It is impossible even now to be an Indian without being a member of an Indian community. There is, I believe, at present no graveyard in the land to which an Indian could lay claim merely on the basis of his Indian citizenship, and admission to every one of them lies through some community-rite. Apart from the meagre and insufficient provisions of the Act of 1873, the Indian citizen has neither a law of marriage nor a law of inheritance. Social conventions and social prejudices, stronger than they have ever been in the past, strengthen the slavery of the individual; he is completely at the mercy of the community and its leaders in every sphere, including even the sacred sphere of his personal and domestic life.

This, I believe, is the real challenge of the hour. The old culture-groups have (as already remarked) no longer any specific spiritual concepts nor any particular modes of life, except such as have survived through dead habit. It has been generally accepted in India since Akbar's time that there is little or no difference between the fundamental principles of religions, and our communal leaders do not raise the religious issue. The struggle is entirely between the self-seeking communities, descended from the old culture-groups, and the national welfare as represented by the State. The present-day `communalist' is a creature of tradition, a tradition so vitiated as to be next door to barbarism. The future `citizen' will be a creation of laws consciously planned for the public good. The fundamental task of the Indian State, therefore, is to create `a National Culture-group' or `a National Community', which may inherit all that is best in the culture-groups of old and set us free from the vicious interests which are seeking to dominate our lives. The process requires a thorough uprooting of old and proved evils and a careful co-ordination of elements of proved value. Differences of religion there are and will be; in this there is no harm. But unless the Revolution succeeds in creating one State, one Law and one National Community for the whole land, we will be faced with a period of anarchy such as India has never witnessed in the course of her long and much-troubled past.

III

The history of the British period can now be written, and it is to be hoped that it will be written without enmity or resentment - that all defects of Indian character and Indian institutions, which made the foreign rule possible, will be frankly confessed and every element of value that we have received from the Britisher will be gratefully recognised. The material for it in this country, though not complete, is both extensive and unexplored.

We have, further, to squarely face the fact that our historical vision will and must undergo a complete change with reference to all our past. History, of course, begins with fact-finding. But there are always gaps between facts, and these have to be filled up by some sort of hypothesis. History at its very foundation cannot, therefore, get rid of a certain pragmatic element. There is, on the other hand, the personal equation of the writer - the tendency, for example, of many historians like Froude, Emile Ludwig and Harold Lambe and, I add with considerable hesitation, a fairly large section of our own writers on ancient and medieval India, to live in a dream-world of their own construction. The temptation of pandering to the fanaticism of our culture-group or community, I feel confident, most of us can resist. But we have to take care that the traditions of our culture-group do not subconsciously colour our vision. History, as a Persian writer has rightly remarked, is quickly exported from the academy to the bazar and "shopkeepers, who cannot distinguish white from black and black from white, confidently venture to pass judgments on historical matters." In the peculiar conditions of our country, when history as a subject of basic education will be taught to an increasing number of raw youths on a nation-wide scale, we cannot be too particular about the moral issues involved. The historian must speak the truth. On that question there can be no two opinions. But history is a normative science; the historian is not only concerned with facts but also with judgments; and this involves a conception of morality and justice. The Greek historians wrote to show the supremacy of the free-born Greeks over the barbarians, and the Romans to harp on the right of the aristocracy oftheir City to dominate the world. A very large number of English histories of the nineteenth century were written to serve the cause of British imperialism. The Indians also have to find some standard, subjective as well as objective. If we are true to the teachings of our greatest thinkers from the composers of the Vedic hymns to Mahatma Gandhi, our moral standards will be universal and absolute. Every man and every movement must be judged by the highest standards of morality of which that age was capable. Humbly, but confidently, I feel that if we here could adopt for history the standards accepted by our ancestors for the highest interpretation of religion and ethics it will be a refreshing and much-needed contribution to the historical vision of mankind. If on the other hand, we merely write to justify the exploitation of one group of Indians by another in our own country - or of man by man anywhere - our freedom has been won in vain.

It is to be hoped that the National Governments will be able to do something about a matter that has been distressing most of us - provision of the basic material of history. The National Archives is an excellent institution, but its scope is limited. The Archaelogical Department deserves the gratitude of all students of history, but its sphere of work has to be expanded. The basic material for the history of a country like ours would include everything from the stone-implements of the earliest man to the latest government records, and my humble suggestion is that we should have at Delhi a National Institute similar to the British Museum and Provincial Institutes at the provincial capitals. The material collected should not be confined to history only; everything that concerns Indian culture should be there. The unfortunate fact is that individual effort and enterprise can do very little in this sphere, and the development of sound Indian scholarship is conditioned by the state undertaking this necessary task. Without it we are helpless. All available material should be provided at one place or at a few easily accessible spots. My humble suggestion is that we should put our heads together and submit a complete and detailed plan for the consideration of our Government.

The proper and necessary sphere of state-action is the provision of material, including all other steps that are necessary for its proper utilisation, such as the publication of photographic copies and of translation which private enterprise will not take up. But the state should not interfere in the question of interpretation. Organisations like ours are entitled to partial help from the state, but these grants should be uncondiitonal. The writing of histories should not, as a rule, be directly subsidised by the state and the creation of monopolies in textbooks is objectionable on many grounds. In those rare cases where a work of great merit, or of merely local value, cannot find a market, its publication should be left to state-aided and semi-official bodies. Under the old regime we wrote in a spirit of constraint; even when we wrote courageously, the fact of foreign domination deflected our minds in some direction or the other. Our national leaders should now be willing to pass on to us a fraction of the freedom they have obtained. A state-dominated interpretation of history is one of the most effective means of sabotaging democracy. A free India implies a free history of India in which every point of view has a right to be heard. Free and untrammelled discussion will lead us to the truth; and there is no other way of reaching it.

The last consideration I wish to submit is necessary in view of the changing conditions of our country, and fear that it may raise controversies does not justify silence. Most writers of Indian history in the past, it has to be frankly confessed, have belonged to the "bourgeoisie culture-group" and this fact has inevitably coloured their vision. Modern works on Indian history do not show any antipathy to the peasants and the working classes, but their attitude to the higher classes has been one of universal adulation. So apart from some specific phases - the constitution of the Hindu village organisation, for instance, or our medieval land-tenures - the life of the Indian working classes has received scant attention at our hands. The general tendency has been to turn away from the problem; the little good that has been done to them by our revenue administrations and royal and aristocratic charities has been boastfully recorded. The great misfortunes under which they have laboured throughout the centuries go completely unnoticed. I do not wish to postulate the theory of class-conflicts, nor am I unaware of how difficult the application of this theory becomes when, regardless of the fact that it is based on the experience of Europe during the modern machine-age, it is applied to all countries and all times. That the lower classes have always been taxed heavily to maintain their superiors is undeniable; but considering that man over the larger part of the earth's surface - Australia, Africa south of the Sahara, Siberia and the two Americas - has been unable to make any progress in the course of history, it is difficult to decide whether, in the history of humanity as a whole, aristocratic and bourgeoisie leadership has, or has not, deserved the price it has extracted. Still the fact remains that we are content, like our predecessors, to survey the Indian social landscape from the foot of the royal throne. The lot of the Indian worker and everything connected with it - his wages, the prices of commodities necessary for the maintenance of his family, the struggles of his life, his joys, his sufferings and his hopes - all these are a virgin field for the historical investigator. The material is not so plentiful as one could wish, but industrious investigation will enable us to get a fairly complete picture. The same applies to the culture of the working class groups; a few elements of it have worked their way into recognition, but most of them have only been noticed in order to be condemned. The free India of today demands an urgent rectification of this "oversight". We are at the threshold of the machine-age. Most of our future problems will be labour problems and problems of social reconstruction. It is not our duty to knock down old temples; every element of value in them must be preserved. But we have to build a new shrine. The tendency towards socialism will gain in weight and volume as with every succeeding year the working classes strive to come into their own. The historian must not fail to do his duty by India as, in the generations to come, she marches forward courageously and hopefully to prostrate herself with reverence and devotion at the mist-shrouded steps that lead to the shrine of her new-found, classless God.

Jai Hind


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Indian Historians are not lazy- Irfan Habib

if you read the full article you see that Prof Habib does have his act together. Its the DDM that reports him incorrectly.
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Ramana,

Irfan Habib's protege took complete works of a noted historian after his death and published it as his own. Irfan Habib lavished praise on this plaigarist and helped write the introduction/preface of this plagiarised book. JNU and ICHR crowd stalled the complaints from family of this dead historian who was the original author. Several pages in Shourie's book 'Eminent Historians' is devoted to this little episode.

With this in mind, I'll take Habib's comment of Indian Historians being not lazy with couple buckets of salt.

Few points on the article:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It's always good to have one's weaknesses pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If weakeness are pointed by an Indians, they are a communal assault on this guy. Some firangi does it, it's positive feedback! <!--emo&Rolleyes--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Habib states:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If one wants to write a history of the French Revolution, one not only needs to know French but should also be able to read cursively written documents in the French of the time<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If same standards were applied to our historians like Thappar who can't read/write Sanskrit, they'd be out on streets and not holding prestigious chairs under their fat behinds.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Unfortunately, there are very few people left who can read Urdu and Persian, particularly the Shikasta script which was once taught in schools but is no longer being taught since Independence
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Habib, Thappar and other cronies were employed by Govt of India over 20 years ago to do this precise translation. They were paid for it - salary, access to material, staff to assist, phoren trips - whole nine yards. Buggers have yet to produce anything and this guy has a gall to complain about lack of resources.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The official archives hardly ever encouraged enquiries into them. V.D. Savarkar's book on 1857, written in London, was banned. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone know about this book?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The reference to Bakht Khan brings me to consider Dalrymple's rather unfortunate assumption that the Wahabis and Muslim sepoys were somehow the precursors of Al Qaeda and the Taliban<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wasn't a Viceroy of India assasinated by a Talibanic type in 1880s or 1890s? M J Akbar's book has a reference to this including the name of spiritual leader *from India* who blessed this act.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone know about this book?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The book is available online at:

http://dli.iiit.ac.in/cgi-bin/Browse/scrip...e=2020050057563

Goel has this to say about this book:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->32 This jihãd which was joined by Hindu rebellions on the fringes was named as The Indian War of Independence, 1857 (London, 1909) by V.D. Savarkar. He had yet to learn the history of Islam in India. It is significant that ‘secularists’ and Muslim who hate Savarkar, hail the book as well as its name.

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Savarkar was in his younger days when he authored this book, it was banned by the British gov't but printed clandestinely, I think it went through 4 reprints by 1947, even Bose had it reprinted and given to his INA soldiers, it was also translated into Tamil then (since there were many INA volunteers who came from Madras Presidency).

I don't know if he ever disowned the book but as time went by his perspective on the Hindu-Muslim question changed just like Lala Lajpat Rai changed, he saw the events preceding partition (such as the Moplah riots or the Kohat riots) as a warning to the Hindus and also adopted the two nation theory because he felt that a nation cannot be built from two communities mutually antagonistic towards each other and with their inspiration derived from opposite sources (Shivaji for Hindus vs Ghazni or Aurangzeb for Muslims).

The only difference was that he would not accept partition because he felt that this land was essentially a Hindu homeland, but he was ready for the principle of "one man, one vote" and saw no further use for all this hoopla about "minority rights".
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if you read the full article you see that Prof Habib does have his act together. Its the DDM that reports him incorrectly.
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I have never stated or implied, as your cover claims, that "Indian historians are drab, dull and don't do any research" ('Indian history is full of colour', November 12). This may be the opinion of your headline writer, but I for one have never spoken or written any of these words, and I strongly object to you fabricating these quotes under my name. I am also misquoted by your correspondent within the magazine. In several places he entirely distorted the sense of what I told him.

I made two points about Indian historians. The first was that while there are many very fine scholars at work in India, they do tend to write exclusively for each other, their fellow professionals, and that they have replaced the historical telescope with the microscope.
This is of course perfectly legitimate-after all, history is a place of many mansions-and has led to a great deal of excellent specialist work published in Indian historical journals. But it does mean we have yet to see the emergence of an Indian A.J.P. Taylor or Simon Schama, a Linda Colley or an Orlando Figes, who is willing to use his/her scholarship to make history come alive for the general intelligent middle class reader in fine prose and with a clear style. ?It was this absence of serious accessible history and biography in Indian bookshops that I said had contributed to the growth of so much historical mythology in India-absurd claims that the Taj Mahal is a Shiva temple dating from 500 BC and so on. I do not, as your correspondent has it, attribute the growth of such mythology to feuds between rival academics and competing history departments.

My second point was that a concentration on theory, and the western gaze on the orient, has sometimes led to the marginalisation of empirical research in archives, and especially a relative absence of work on the huge quantities of Urdu and Persian documents that linger unread in Indian archives. I never claimed that I was the first to work on the Mutiny Papers in Delhi, as your report implies. ?As I acknowledge in The Last Mughal, several specialist papers, and a full length biography of Bahadur Shah Zafar in Urdu, have previously been written from the contents of the collection. But of the documents studied by myself and my colleague Mahmood Farooqui over four years of intensive research, fully 75 per cent had never before been requisitioned, as was clear both from the absence of any previous stamps or requisition details on the files in question (the archives list on each file the dates and names of everyone who calls them up), and from the comments of the archivists when we called up the papers.

I am still amazed that a collection as astonishingly rich and beautifully catalogued as the Mutiny Papers, and one located so centrally in the National Archives of the capital city, has been so little consulted when it forms such an essential resource for studying the storm centre of the Uprising-itself the central event in 19th century Indian history, and the destination of 1,00,000 of the 1,39,000 sepoys who in 1857 turned their guns on their officers. ?If The Last Mughal focuses some attention on the collection, and encourages some future Indian Ph.D student to work in this rich field, then the book will have achieved something.

William Dalrymple,
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<b>An Insider's view on 'Indian History' </b>-Exposing Communist Historians
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An Insider's view on 'Indian History' -Exposing Communist Historians
11/29/2006 5:02:30 PM

Following is the English translation of a Kannada article that appeared in the columns of VIJAYA KARNATAKA on 08 OCT 2006 written by Dr.S.L.Bhyrappa.The article was written in the wake of Controversies raised from Karnataka after the statement of Education Minister Shri Shankar Murthy that ‘Tippusultan was anti Kannada’.The article exposes the bigger picture 'HOW THE COMMIES AND THE CONGRESS' together are 'mauling' our History!!

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What would be the fate of TRUTH if a Historian turn’s to be a Fiction author?





During 1969-70, the Central Government under Smt. Indira Gandhi, with a mission to integrate the nation through education had established a committee under the Chairmanship of G.Parthasarathy, a diplomat who was close to Nehru-Gandhi family. At that time I was a reader in Educational Philosophy at NCERT and I was selected as one of the five members of the committee. In the first meeting Mr. Parthasarathy, the Chairman of the committee had explained the purpose of the committee in his diplomatic polite language: "it is our duty not to sow the seeds of thorns in the minds of the growing children which will shape up as barriers for the national integration. Such thorns are mostly seen in the history lessons. Even we can find them occasionally in the language and social science lessons. We have to weed out such thorns. We have to include only such thoughts which will inculcate the concept of national integration in the minds of the children. This committee has this great responsibility on it."

Other four members were nodding their heads respectfully. I said:
"Sir, I am not able to understand your words. Will you please explain with some illustrations? "

"Gazni Mohammed had looted Somnath Temple, Aurangzeb built the mosques by demolishing the temples in Kashi and Mathura, he collected jizya - is it helpful to build a strong India under the present circumstances by conveying such useless facts, other than generating the hatred in the minds?"

"But are not they the historical truths?"

"Plenty of truths are there. To use these truths discriminately is the
wisdom of the history"

The remaining four members simply nodded their heads by saying "yes, yes".

"You gave examples of Kashi and Mathura. Even today every year lakhs of people go to these places from all nooks and corners of the country as pilgrims. They can see very clearly the huge mosques built using the same walls, pillars and columns of the demolished temples, they can also see a recently built cow shed like structure in a corner, behind the mosque, representing their temple. All these pilgrims are distressed to witness such awful structures. They describe the plight of their temples to their relatives after they return home. Whether this can create national integration? <span style='color:red'>One can hide the history in the school texts. But can we hide such facts when these children go on excursions? The researchers have listed more than thirty thousand such ruined temples in India. Can we hide them all? </span>. . . . ."

Mr. Parthasarthy interrupted me by asking "you are a professor of
Philosphy. Please tell us what is the purpose of history?"

"No body can define the purpose of history. We do not know how the things shape up because of the development of science and technology in the future. Some western thinkers might have called it the philosophy of history. But such thoughts are futile. Our discussion here should be, what is the purpose of teaching history? History is seeking the truth about our past events, learning about the ancient human lives by studying the inscriptions, records, literary works, relics, artifacts etc. We should not commit the same blunders that our predecessors committed, we have to imbibe the noble qualities that they have adopted, historical truths help us to learn all these things.. . . ."

"Can we hurt the feelings of the minority? Can we divide the society? Can we sow the seeds of poison . . . ." he stopped me with these questions.

"Sir, the categorization on the lines of majority and minority would itself result in the division of the society or that would be a strategy to divide the society. This idea of 'seeds of poison' is prejudiced. Why should the minority think that Gazni Mohammed, Aurangzeb are their own people? Mughal kingdom was destroyed by the religious bigotry of Aurangzeb. Mughal kingdom was at its pinnacle because of Akbar's rules for religious harmony, can't we teach such lessons to the children without offending the historical truths? Before teaching the lessons to be learnt from the history, should we not explain the historical truths? These ideals of hiding history are influenced by the politics. This trend will not last long. Whether they are minority or majority, if the education does not impart the intellectual power to face the truth and the resultant emotional maturity then such education is meaningless and also dangerous." I said.

Parthasarathy agreed. He appreciated my scholarship and ability to think. During lunch break he called me separately, indicated his closeness to me by touching my shoulders, enquired about my native place. He asked me to write a Kannada word, and spoke two sentences in Tamil thus emphasized the fact that we are from neighbouring states, speaking the sister languages. Afterwards he said with a winning smile, "your thoughts are correct academically. You write an article about this. But when the government formulates a policy governing the entire nation, it has to combine the interests of all the people. Puritan principles do not serve any purpose."

Next day when we met, I struck to my stand strongly. I argued that history that is not based on truth is futile and dangerous too. Parthasarathy showed his irritation on his face. I did not budge. The morning session closed without arriving at any conclusion. Parthasarathy did not speak to me again. After a fortnight again we met. The committee was re-structured, my name was not there, in my place a lecturer in history by name Arjun dev with leftist ideas was included in the committee. The revised text books of science and social studies published by NCERT and the new lessons that were introduced in these texts were written under his guidance. These are the books which were prescribed as texts in the congress and communist ruled states or they guided the text book writers in these States.

(I am quoting this instance taken from my presidential speech at Alwas Nudisiri, second conference held on October 21,22,23-2005) .

NCERT books for XI standard, Ancient India is written by a Marxist historian R.S. Sharma and Medieval India written by another Marxist historian Satish Chandra, when reviewed, one can observe that how members belonging to this group had a scheme to invade the minds of growing children.



According to them Ashoka preached to respect even (stress is mine) Brahmins by advocating the quality of tolerance. He had banned the ritual of sacrificing the animals and birds, performance of yagnas were stopped due to this ban, Brahmins lost their share of dakshina (cash gifts) and their livelihood was affected. After Ashoka, Maurya kingdom was disintegrated and many parts of this kingdom came under the rule of Brahmins. How childish it is, to say that a highly influential religion, which had spread all over India and even crossed the borders to reach foreign shores declined because of dissatisfied Brahmins who were deprived of their dakshina (cash gifts).



Muslims demolished the temples to loot the riches and wealth accumulated in these temples- this explanation softens their actions. In some other context they may even say the looting may be according to the laws of Shariat which again paints the events as insignificant.

Dr. Ambedkar in the section, the decline and fall of Buddhism (Writings and Speeches volume III, Government of Maharashtra 1987 pp 229-38) after explaining the events like Muslim invaders destroying the universities of Nalanda, Vikramasheela, Jagaddala, Odanthapura etc., brutal killings of the Buddhist monks, escape of Buddhist monks to Nepal, Tibet to save their lives says, "the roots of Buddhism were axed. Islam killed the Buddhism by killing priestly class of Buddhism. This is the worst catastrophe suffered by the Buddhism in India."

These Marxists who quote Dr. Ambedkar whenever it is convenient for them to denigrate Hinduism, ignore nicely these words 'the decline of Buddhism in India is due to terrifying actions of Muslims'of Dr. Ambedkar, who fought against the caste system in Hinduism throughout his life and at the end embraced Buddhism; this may be it is one of the important philosophies of Indian Marxists. R.S. Sharma the author of NCERT text Ancient India, New Delhi, 1992 p 112 writes, "Buddha viharas attracted Turkish invaders because of their wealth. They were the special greedy targets for the invaders. Turks killed many Buddhist monks. Despite these killings, many monks escaped to Nepal and Tibet."

Here the clever Marxists have hidden the fact that Muslims destroyed these religious places as dictated by Shariat by calling Muslims of Turkey with a tribal name Turkish. At the same time they write that Buddhism declined during Ashoka's reign because of Brahmins who were deprived of their dakshina (monetary gifts). One should appreciate their cleverness to hide a truth by creating an untruth.
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The English scholars who started writing Indian history on the lines of European history have introduced had a cunning idea behind their scholarship. First they established that Indian culture is Vedic culture. The creators of this culture are Aryans who were outsiders. Aryans established themselves by destroying the local civilization. All the invaders who came later were outsiders. Muslims came. After them we (English) came. Therefore if we are not natives of this country, you are also not natives of this land. English strengthened this argument in the universities, media and also in the minds of the English educated people.
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Rigveda the so called religious text of Aryans was written when they were outside India. That means the basic religion of Indians was originated from a foreign land. This argument severed the spiritual relationship between India and Indians. English educated Indians were struggling with this alien feeling for about 100 years. This argument sowed and enraged the feelings of hatred and racial hostility between Aryans who were outsiders and the Dravidians the natives of this land. It is easy to create the feelings of hatred and hostility. But the people who know the human psychology can understand that it is very difficult to come out of such feelings even after knowing that the reasons quoted in support of these arguments were proved wrong. Although the research conducted in the later periods discovered many facts which disapproved the Aryan Invasion theory, nobody has written a complete history of India from the Indian point of view.



Under such circumstances, freedom fighter, follower of Gandhi, famous advocate, the member of Constitution Drafting Committee, a great scholar, founder of Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, Kanhiahlal Munshi had planned to write a complete Indian history.



He invited an eminent scholar and researcher R.C. Majumdar to be the editor of this book. Both of them entered into a contract. As per the terms of the contract Munshi should supply all the equipment and finance that is required by Majumdar. But he should never interfere in the matters of choosing the historians to write various sections, and also in the ensuing discussions. Munshi was committed to this agreement.



Majumdar and his team of scholars published 11 volumes of a complete, objective and scholarly book, 'THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE OF THE INDIAN PEOPLE'. In the last 15 years nobody has written a book like this singly or jointly.


National Book Trust had proposed to translate all these volumes in all the Indian languages. The proposal was sent to ICHR (Indian Council for Historical Research) The ICHR committee comprised ofCommunist leaning people like S.Gopal, Tapan Roy Choudhary, Satish Chandra, Romilla Thapar etc. They had recommended that these volumes from Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan are not suitable for translation and hence the proposal
should be rejected.



This ICHR committee e suggested alternative books for the translation into Indian languages.which were written by either these members of the committee or by their other Marxist comrades. Their list included five books of ICHR president R.S. Sharma, 3 books of S. Gopal (the son of scholar philosopher S. Radhakrishnan) , 3 books of Romilla Thapar, 2 books of Bipin Chandra, 2 books of Irfan Habib, 2 books of his father Mohammed Habib, one book of Satish Chandra, books of E.M.S. Namboodripad, then senior leader of Communist Party of India and the book of British Rajni Pamdatta (who was controlling Indian communists during the decade of 1940s). But there was not even a single book of Lokamanya Tilak, Jadunath Sarkar or R.C. Majumdar!

(One has to refer Arun Shourie's EMINENT HISTORIANS: Their Technology, Various groups hate Arun Shourie for various reasons. Shourie is special, in the sense that he will investigate thoroughly until he reaches the roots of any subject which he intends to write. In the book Eminent Historians, Sri Shourie has investigated about these writers and has unearthed the details of who had recommended the books for translation and who has received what remuneration how much fees and in what form .)

The influence of Gandhian thoughts had declined in the Congress Party in the last days of Gandhiji. Nehru never followed Gandhian thoughts. Though he had great admiration for the democracy of England, in his heart he had love for the communism of Russia. After he came to power he gradually sidelined other congress leaders. The death of Patel was a boon to him. Rajendra Prasad as a President was only a formal head. Rajaji, Krupalani though they formed their own parties, were not influential enough. Nehru was not innocent though he was under the control of a radical communist like Krishna Menon. He was well known in the international circles because he was one of the leading figures who followed the global non-alignment policy but yet he was disliked by western countries like America as the non alignment policy had the strong support of communist Russia. As a result India suffered a loss.



India's loss was not Nehru's loss. He was so much devoted and had a strong faith in communism that his government and the entire Indian Media was chanting the mantra, Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai as a daily ritual till China forcibly kicked us out of our own land. In the meantime communists (Marxists) had occupied the Indian intellectual world. Nehru had a scheme to divide Hindus and to please the Muslims for his political survival. Nehru adopted the same strategy that British used to continue their regime in this country. Secularism means a word of contempt used to address only Hindus. Secularism means our duty towards Muslims and Christians. Nehru spread the message that minority will never be secular. M.C. (Mohammed Karim) Chagla in his autobiography, 'Roses in December' writes, he was born and brought up in Mumbai. He was a lawyer in the same city, earned a great name as an honest person. Later he retired as the Chief Justice of Mumbai High Court. He wanted to contest for Loksabha. He wrote a letter to Nehru asking for a ticket for one of the constituencies of Mumbai. He was given a ticket from Aurangabad constituency through a letter from Congress high command. He had written a letter in reply to the high command letter, "I was born and I grew up in Mumbai, I am familiar with the people of Mumbai by serving them. Why did you give me ticket for the unfamiliar Aurangabad ?" Nehru's high command answer for this letter was, "Aurangabad is a Muslim majority constituency. You are also a Muslim. So you can contest from that constituency. "


Indira Gandhi had one and only aim of retaining the power, so she needed the support of communists to crush the Jansangh and the old guards of Congress like Morarji Desai, Nijalingappa, Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy, Kamraj and others. Communists knew pretty well that they cannot occupy the seat of power directly, so they devised a plan so that at least their theories would capture the seat of power. Therefore Indira Gandhi helped them to enter and occupy the posts in the universities, media, ICHR, NCERT etc. Communist Russia also pressurized to follow this path. Nehru and his daughter had become so close to Russia that they were not in a position to oppose her strongly. Communists somehow learnt the tactics from the dictatorial administration models of Russia and China to take the reins in their hands completely after occupying the vital places in the intellectual life of the country.This still continues even the lifeline of UPA government of Sonia Gandhi is in the hands of communists.

Media pretended silence when leftists occupied the education and history commissions, the departments of history, social science, literature and other subjects of the universities in our country. Leftists raised their voices when Murali Manohar Joshi from NDA government tried to bring the changes like Indianising the education, directing to mention the contributions of the ancient India to science while teaching science, advising to begin the day in the schools with Saraswathi Vandana. Even media projected them as great calamities. Congress members and the proponents of equality started a movement because they could visualize the rising storms in the country due to these changes. Nobody from these groups are objecting when Arjun Singh is resurrecting the leftist agenda in its extreme form. Media, specially the English media, in fact is encouraging this trend.

The only aim of Congress is to retain the power and it lacks the original thinking. It is sleeping blissfully in the thought of borrowing it from the communists. But it is following the liberal policies, thinking that the economic polices of the previous government had damaged the economy. Communists have accepted these policies in their hearts and are unable to come out of the clutches of Marxism, the very basis of their identity.

The methods adopted by the leftists to spread their roots is not different from the bane of caste politics in India. They systematically execute the tasks of appointing people who are loyal to their theories in the universities, presenting their own theories through newspapers, television and other media, getting appreciative criticisms for the books written by their favourite writers, devising plans to banish the writers from the opposite group, spreading their messages by organizing seminars frequently to attract the growing minds, getting awards and titles for their own men from the government. They have started a system of literary criticism for evaluating the books in the light of the standards defined in their theories. They think that they have reduced to the dust the traditional concepts of criticism like pure literature, aesthetics, imagery, context etc.

Even the truth in case of communists would be the stand taken by their party, similarly other values like art, morals etc. I need not explain these things to the people who have read the books written about these topics published by the communist Russia and sold at cheaper rates in India and in other countries.

I am always interested in the sociology, psychology history and other branches of humanities. I have studied all these subjects to some extent. Philosophy is my professional subject. Soundarya Meemse is my research field. But I am interested in the literature, I started writing novels. Truth and beauty, specially the relationship between the truth and the literature is haunting my mind. How much liberty an author has while creating the historical characters which are clearly defined by the inscriptions, records, relics, excavations and other evidences? I am haunted by this query- what is the nature of this liberty? The statements made by the author of 'The Real Tipu'(Kannada translation "Tipu - nija swaroopa" by Pradhan Gurudatta, Sahithi Sindhu Prakashana, Nrupathunga Road, Bangalore 1) H.D. Sharma in his preface in the matter has stimulated my thoughts. "Tipusultan has recently leaped from the history books on to the small screen. This has created a special interest about him and his period. This has raised a serious debate. Because many people - specially the people from Kerala - feel that Tipu was not like he was shown in the TV serial. (The serial is based on the novel 'The Sword of Tipusultan' by Bhagwan S. Gidwani is full of lies and has twisted the facts.) TV serial has contributed the untruths in its own way. This raging debate motivated me to make a detailed study about Tipu. When I learnt the facts I was shocked." (This is the English translation of Pradhan Gurudat's Kannada translation quoted by Mr. Bhyrappa in the article.)

Of course, one should not think about the Indian, specially the bollywood people who are experts in selling their thrilling, colourful
entertainments. Even the people who write ballads are from the village fairs and dramas. But why people who write serious literature create thrilling, entertaining scenes of different type? Why do not they be loyal to the historical facts? Why do not they release themselves from the clutches of the historians of their ideology and try to interpret the historical evidences thinking independently? The historian S. Shettar (ICHR president) who supported Girish Karnad says, "Girish Karnad while writing a drama on Tippusultan, was searching for his good qualities only with the purpose of writing a drama. Dramatists and historians and creative writers will have their own ideals." (Vijaya Karnataka, 27th September, 2006).



In this context, what is the difference between ideology and ideals? An author can escape under the cover of an advantage of an idea. If a historian attempts to use such advantages what would be the fate of the truth? Marxist historians cannot understand this question, even after explaining the subtleties of the question. Of course we cannot comment about the authors who are under their control.
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interesting writeup on historiography in general

http://libraryoflibrary.com/E_n_c_p_d_Hi...ethod.html
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from Post # 67.

What role could be played by the history-based-fictions in moulding pubilc opinon? For example by works like 'Delhi' by Khushwant Singh, 'Sword of Tipu Sultan' by BS Gidwani etc? Especially the novels in Hindi and other Indic languages? Some of the best sellers over last few decades include novels like 'सह्याद्रि की चट्टाने' (Rocks of Sahyadri) by Acharya Chatursen which is to be given due credit for educating naive Hindi readers about the life and thought of Shivaji, several decades back when reading was still popular. Likewise 'चन्द्रगुप्त' (Chandragupta) by Jayshankar Prasad, and various novels by Gurudatta in 1960s are some examples of popular history-based "fictions" with nationalistic hue...

In today's age of mass media, what could be the role of history-based ficions? ('Da Vinci Code'-like fiction for busting false histories from people's minds?) What do members feel? What about some good movies (I have not seen one good movie on Shivaji, Rana Pratap or Maharana Sanga, while there are several for Mughals like 'Mughal-e-Azam', 'Taj Mahal' and so on. Recent movies like 'Asoka' etc were complete flop show. Likewise why aren't movies with scale and quality like 'Gandhi' made for other national leaders? 'Sardar', 'Saja-e-Kalapani', 'Mangal Pandey' did not reach that level for sure, and Lagaan while good, did not have enough history displayed in it. Have not seen 'Bose' - not sure about that.

I am sure movies will play a large role in moulding public perception.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What about some good movies (I have not seen one good movie on Shivaji, Rana Pratap or Maharana Sanga<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If a movie on Shivaji is made, I have no doubt that it will run into censor troubles under the influence of secularists, you can't make a movie on Shivaji without showing the condition of Hindus, his disgust at the situation and his resolve for independence, none of which happened at all according to our secularists.
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In the 80s in Mumbai they used to show movies of Shivaji in marathi. Maybe they still do on the marathi channels on cable. Marathi bhavgeet and popular sangeet if full of praise for Shivaji Maharaj..idiot psec crowd all over India wants to ape marathi in every TV serial (and in Bollywood), but they do not want copy the real Maratha's love of Shivaji and hatred for the mughals..
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the 80s in Mumbai they used to show movies of Shivaji in marathi. Maybe they still do on the marathi channels on cable. Marathi bhavgeet and popular sangeet if full of praise for Shivaji Maharaj..idiot psec crowd all over India wants to ape marathi in every TV serial (and in Bollywood), but they do not want copy the real Maratha's love of Shivaji and hatred for the mughals.. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes there have been numerous movies on Shivaji in Marathi but not in Bollywood or in other regional languages (well the regional film industry outside of South India has been largely replaced by Bollywood but even in South India there haven't been a lot of movies on Shivaji even though he is very well known down South), this is part of the p-sec agenda, to censor true history, that is why no movies have been made on people like Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Banda and others while Hollywood has no problem in making movies glorifying people like Alexander or Julius Caesar.
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Most people credit Hegel with the Linear theory of History as opposed to the cyclical theory of History in his book The Philosophy of History. His Philosophy of History led to Marx's interpretation of dialectic materialism and the modern era.

However the linear theory of history was an invention of the Jewish tribes during their lost years in Persia as Thomas Cahill proves in his book "Gift of the Jews".

What this means is that even the Marxist theory is an extension of the Jewish and Christian religious doctrine for the linear theory of history is very much a part of their faith. This explains why the end of Communism or End of History results in Christianization.

So Indian secular historians who seek to rewrite Indian history in Marxist dialectic rhetoric will end up paving the way for Christianizing their followers.


Book Review _"Gifts of the Jews"
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Please read S.L.Byrappa's article in Vijaya Karnataka in 27 September 2006.

What would be the fate of TRUTH if a Historian turn’s to be a Fiction author?

During 1969-70, the Central Government under Smt. Indira Gandhi, with a mission to integrate the nation through education had established a committee under the Chairmanship of G.Parthasarathy, a diplomat who was close to Nehru-Gandhi family. At that time I was a reader in Educational Philosophy at NCERT and I was selected as one of the five members of the committee. In the first meeting Mr. Parthasarathy, the Chairman of the committee had explained the purpose of the committee in his diplomatic polite language: "it is our duty not to sow the seeds of thorns in the minds of the growing children which will shape up as barriers for the national integration. Such thorns are mostly seen in the history lessons. Even we can find them occasionally in the language and social science lessons. We have to weed out such thorns. We have to include only such thoughts which will inculcate the concept of national integration in the minds of the children. This committee has this great responsibility on it."

Other four members were nodding their heads respectfully. I said:
"Sir, I am not able to understand your words. Will you please explain with some illustrations? "

"Gazni Mohammed had looted Somnath Temple, Aurangzeb built the mosques by demolishing the temples in Kashi and Mathura, he collected jizya - is it helpful to build a strong India under the present circumstances by conveying such useless facts, other than generating the hatred in the minds?"

"But are not they the historical truths?"

"Plenty of truths are there. To use these truths discriminately is the
wisdom of the history"

The remaining four members simply nodded their heads by saying "yes, yes".

"You gave examples of Kashi and Mathura. Even today every year lakhs of people go to these places from all nooks and corners of the country as pilgrims. They can see very clearly the huge mosques built using the same walls, pillars and columns of the demolished temples, they can also see a recently built cow shed like structure in a corner, behind the mosque, representing their temple. All these pilgrims are distressed to witness such awful structures. They describe the plight of their temples to their relatives after they return home. Whether this can create national integration? One can hide the history in the school texts. But can we hide such facts when these children go on excursions? The researchers have listed more than thirty thousand such ruined temples in India. Can we hide them all? . . . . ."

Mr. Parthasarthy interrupted me by asking "you are a professor of
Philosphy. Please tell us what is the purpose of history?"

"No body can define the purpose of history. We do not know how the things shape up because of the development of science and technology in the future. Some western thinkers might have called it the philosophy of history. But such thoughts are futile. Our discussion here should be, what is the purpose of teaching history? History is seeking the truth about our past events, learning about the ancient human lives by studying the inscriptions, records, literary works, relics, artifacts etc. We should not commit the same blunders that our predecessors committed, we have to imbibe the noble qualities that they have adopted, historical truths help us to learn all these things.. . . ."

"Can we hurt the feelings of the minority? Can we divide the society? Can we sow the seeds of poison . . . ." he stopped me with these questions.

"Sir, the categorization on the lines of majority and minority would itself result in the division of the society or that would be a strategy to divide the society. This idea of 'seeds of poison' is prejudiced. Why should the minority think that Gazni Mohammed, Aurangzeb are their own people? Mughal kingdom was destroyed by the religious bigotry of Aurangzeb. Mughal kingdom was at its pinnacle because of Akbar's rules for religious harmony, can't we teach such lessons to the children without offending the historical truths? Before teaching the lessons to be learnt from the history, should we not explain the historical truths? These ideals of hiding history are influenced by the politics. This trend will not last long. Whether they are minority or majority, if the education does not impart the intellectual power to face the truth and the resultant emotional maturity then such education is meaningless and also dangerous." I said.

Parthasarathy agreed. He appreciated my scholarship and ability to think. During lunch break he called me separately, indicated his closeness to me by touching my shoulders, enquired about my native place. He asked me to write a Kannada word, and spoke two sentences in Tamil thus emphasized the fact that we are from neighbouring states, speaking the sister languages. Afterwards he said with a winning smile, "your thoughts are correct academically. You write an article about this. But when the government formulates a policy governing the entire nation, it has to combine the interests of all the people. Puritan principles do not serve any purpose."

Next day when we met, I struck to my stand strongly. I argued that history that is not based on truth is futile and dangerous too. Parthasarathy showed his irritation on his face. I did not budge. The morning session closed without arriving at any conclusion. Parthasarathy did not speak to me again. After a fortnight again we met. The committee was re-structured, my name was not there, in my place a lecturer in history by name Arjun dev with leftist ideas was included in the committee. The revised text books of science and social studies published by NCERT and the new lessons that were introduced in these texts were written under his guidance. These are the books which were prescribed as texts in the congress and communist ruled states or they guided the text book writers in these States.

(I am quoting this instance taken from my presidential speech at Alwas Nudisiri, second conference held on October 21,22,23-2005) .

NCERT books for XI standard, Ancient India is written by a Marxist historian R.S. Sharma and Medieval India written by another Marxist historian Satish Chandra, when reviewed, one can observe that how members belonging to this group had a scheme to invade the minds of growing children.

According to them Ashoka preached to respect even (stress is mine) Brahmins by advocating the quality of tolerance. He had banned the ritual of sacrificing the animals and birds, performance of yagnas were stopped due to this ban, Brahmins lost their share of dakshina (cash gifts) and their livelihood was affected. After Ashoka, Maurya kingdom was disintegrated and many parts of this kingdom came under the rule of Brahmins. How childish it is, to say that a highly influential religion, which had spread all over India and even crossed the borders to reach foreign shores declined because of dissatisfied Brahmins who were deprived of their dakshina (cash gifts).

Muslims demolished the temples to loot the riches and wealth accumulated in these temples- this explanation softens their actions. In some other context they may even say the looting may be according to the laws of Shariat which again paints the events as insignificant.

Dr. Ambedkar in the section, the decline and fall of Buddhism (Writings and Speeches volume III, Government of Maharashtra 1987 pp 229-38) after explaining the events like Muslim invaders destroying the universities of Nalanda, Vikramasheela, Jagaddala, Odanthapura etc., brutal killings of the Buddhist monks, escape of Buddhist monks to Nepal, Tibet to save their lives says, "the roots of Buddhism were axed. Islam killed the Buddhism by killing priestly class of Buddhism. This is the worst catastrophe suffered by the Buddhism in India."

These Marxists who quote Dr. Ambedkar whenever it is convenient for them to denigrate Hinduism, ignore nicely these words 'the decline of Buddhism in India is due to terrifying actions of Muslims' of Dr. Ambedkar, who fought against the caste system in Hinduism throughout his life and at the end embraced Buddhism; this may be it is one of the important philosophies of Indian Marxists. R.S. Sharma the author of NCERT text Ancient India, New Delhi, 1992 p 112 writes, "Buddha viharas attracted Turkish invaders because of their wealth. They were the special greedy targets for the invaders. Turks killed many Buddhist monks. Despite these killings, many monks escaped to Nepal and Tibet."

Here the clever Marxists have hidden the fact that Muslims destroyed these religious places as dictated by Shariat by calling Muslims of Turkey with a tribal name Turkish. At the same time they write that Buddhism declined during Ashoka's reign because of Brahmins who were deprived of their dakshina (monetary gifts). One should appreciate their cleverness to hide a truth by creating an untruth.

The English scholars who started writing Indian history on the lines of European history have introduced had a cunning idea behind their scholarship. First they established that Indian culture is Vedic culture. The creators of this culture are Aryans who were outsiders. Aryans established themselves by destroying the local civilization. All the invaders who came later were outsiders. Muslims came. After them we (English) came. Therefore if we are not natives of this country, you are also not natives of this land. English strengthened this argument in the universities, media and also in the minds of the English educated people.

Rigveda the so called religious text of Aryans was written when they were outside India. That means the basic religion of Indians was originated from a foreign land. This argument severed the spiritual relationship between India and Indians. English educated Indians were struggling with this alien feeling for about 100 years. This argument sowed and enraged the feelings of hatred and racial hostility between Aryans who were outsiders and the Dravidians the natives of this land. It is easy to create the feelings of hatred and hostility. But the people who know the human psychology can understand that it is very difficult to come out of such feelings even after knowing that the reasons quoted in support of these arguments were proved wrong. Although the research conducted in the later periods discovered many facts which disapproved the Aryan Invasion theory, nobody has written a complete history of India from the Indian point of view.

Under such circumstances, freedom fighter, follower of Gandhi, famous advocate, the member of Constitution Drafting Committee, a great scholar, founder of Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, Kanhiahlal Munshi had planned to write a complete Indian history.

He invited an eminent scholar and researcher R.C. Majumdar to be the editor of this book. Both of them entered into a contract. As per the terms of the contract Munshi should supply all the equipment and finance that is required by Majumdar. But he should never interfere in the matters of choosing the historians to write various sections, and also in the ensuing discussions. Munshi was committed to this agreement.

Majumdar and his team of scholars published 11 volumes of a complete, objective and scholarly book, 'THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE OF THE INDIAN PEOPLE'. In the last 15 years nobody has written a book like this singly or jointly.

National Book Trust had proposed to translate all these volumes in all the Indian languages. The proposal was sent to ICHR (Indian Council for Historical Research) The ICHR committee comprised ofCommunist leaning people like S.Gopal, Tapan Roy Choudhary, Satish Chandra, Romilla Thapar etc. They had recommended that these volumes from Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan are not suitable for translation and hence the proposals hould be rejected.

This ICHR committee e suggested alternative books for the translation into Indian languages.which were written by either these members of the committee or by their other Marxist comrades. Their list included five books of ICHR president R.S. Sharma, 3 books of S. Gopal (the son of scholar philosopher S. Radhakrishnan) , 3 books of Romilla Thapar, 2 books of Bipin Chandra, 2 books of Irfan Habib, 2 books of his father Mohammed Habib, one book of Satish Chandra, books of E.M.S. Namboodripad, then senior leader of Communist Party of India and the book of British Rajni Pamdatta (who was controlling Indian communists during the decade of 1940s). But there was not even a single book of Lokamanya Tilak, Jadunath Sarkar or R.C. Majumdar!

(One has to refer Arun Shourie's EMINENT HISTORIANS: Their Technology, Various groups hate Arun Shourie for various reasons. Shourie is special, in the sense that he will investigate thoroughly until he reaches the roots of any subject which he intends to write. In the book Eminent Historians, Sri Shourie has investigated about these writers and has unearthed the details of who had recommended the books for translation and who has received what remuneration how much fees and in what form .)

The influence of Gandhian thoughts had declined in the Congress Party in the last days of Gandhiji. Nehru never followed Gandhian thoughts. Though he had great admiration for the democracy of England, in his heart he had love for the communism of Russia. After he came to power he gradually sidelined other congress leaders. The death of Patel was a boon to him. Rajendra Prasad as a President was only a formal head. Rajaji, Krupalani though they formed their own parties, were not influential enough. Nehru was not innocent though he was under the control of a radical communist like Krishna Menon. He was well known in the international circles because he was one of the leading figures who followed the global non-alignment policy but yet he was disliked by western countries like America as the non alignment policy had the strong support of communist Russia. As a result India suffered a loss.

India's loss was not Nehru's loss. He was so much devoted and had a strong faith in communism that his government and the entire Indian Media was chanting the mantra, Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai as a daily ritual till China forcibly kicked us out of our own land. In the meantime communists (Marxists) had occupied the Indian intellectual world. Nehru had a scheme to divide Hindus and to please the Muslims for his political survival. Nehru adopted the same strategy that British used to continue their regime in this country. Secularism means a word of contempt used to address only Hindus. Secularism means our duty towards Muslims and Christians. Nehru spread the message that minority will never be secular. M.C. (Mohammed Karim) Chagla in his autobiography, 'Roses in December' writes, he was born and brought up in Mumbai. He was a lawyer in the same city, earned a great name as an honest person. Later he retired as the Chief Justice of Mumbai High Court. He wanted to contest for Loksabha. He wrote a letter to Nehru asking for a ticket for one of the constituencies of Mumbai. He was given a ticket from Aurangabad constituency through a letter from Congress high command. He had written a letter in reply to the high command letter, "I was born and I grew up in Mumbai, I am familiar with the people of Mumbai by serving them. Why did you give me ticket for the unfamiliar Aurangabad ?" Nehru's high command answer for this letter was, "Aurangabad is a Muslim majority constituency. You are also a Muslim. So you can contest from that constituency. "

Indira Gandhi had one and only aim of retaining the power, so she needed the support of communists to crush the Jansangh and the old guards of Congress like Morarji Desai, Nijalingappa, Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy, Kamraj and others. Communists knew pretty well that they cannot occupy the seat of power directly, so they devised a plan so that at least their theories would capture the seat of power. Therefore Indira Gandhi helped them to enter and occupy the posts in the universities, media, ICHR, NCERT etc. Communist Russia also pressurized to follow this path. Nehru and his daughter had become so close to Russia that they were not in a position to oppose her strongly. Communists somehow learnt the tactics from the dictatorial administration models of Russia and China to take the reins in their hands completely after occupying the vital places in the intellectual life of the country.This still continues even the lifeline of UPA government of Sonia Gandhi is in the hands of communists.

Media pretended silence when leftists occupied the education and history commissions, the departments of history, social science, literature and other subjects of the universities in our country. Leftists raised their voices when Murali Manohar Joshi from NDA government tried to bring the changes like Indianising the education, directing to mention the contributions of the ancient India to science while teaching science, advising to begin the day in the schools with Saraswathi Vandana. Even media projected them as great calamities. Congress members and the proponents of equality started a movement because they could visualize the rising storms in the country due to these changes. Nobody from these groups are objecting when Arjun Singh is resurrecting the leftist agenda in its extreme form. Media, specially the English media, in fact is encouraging this trend.

The only aim of Congress is to retain the power and it lacks the original thinking. It is sleeping blissfully in the thought of borrowing it from the communists. But it is following the liberal policies, thinking that the economic polices of the previous government had damaged the economy. Communists have accepted these policies in their hearts and are unable to come out of the clutches of Marxism, the very basis of their identity.

The methods adopted by the leftists to spread their roots is not different from the bane of caste politics in India. They systematically execute the tasks of appointing people who are loyal to their theories in the universities, presenting their own theories through newspapers, television and other media, getting appreciative criticisms for the books written by their favourite writers, devising plans to banish the writers from the opposite group, spreading their messages by organizing seminars frequently to attract the growing minds, getting awards and titles for their own men from the government. They have started a system of literary criticism for evaluating the books in the light of the standards defined in their theories. They think that they have reduced to the dust the traditional concepts of criticism like pure literature, aesthetics, imagery, context etc.

Even the truth in case of communists would be the stand taken by their party, similarly other values like art, morals etc. I need not explain these things to the people who have read the books written about these topics published by the communist Russia and sold at cheaper rates in India and in other countries.

I am always interested in the sociology, psychology history and other branches of humanities. I have studied all these subjects to some extent. Philosophy is my professional subject. Soundarya Meemse is my research field. But I am interested in the literature, I started writing novels. Truth and beauty, specially the relationship between the truth and the literature is haunting my mind. How much liberty an author has while creating the historical characters which are clearly defined by the inscriptions, records, relics, excavations and other evidences? I am haunted by this query- what is the nature of this liberty? The statements made by the author of 'The Real Tipu'(Kannada translation "Tipu - nija swaroopa" by Pradhan Gurudatta, Sahithi Sindhu Prakashana, Nrupathunga Road, Bangalore 1) H.D. Sharma in his preface in the matter has stimulated my thoughts. "Tipusultan has recently leaped from the history books on to the small screen. This has created a special interest about him and his period. This has raised a serious debate. Because many people - specially the people from Kerala - feel that Tipu was not like he was shown in the TV serial. (The serial is based on the novel 'The Sword of Tipusultan' by Bhagwan S. Gidwani is full of lies and has twisted the facts.) TV serial has contributed the untruths in its own way. This raging debate motivated me to make a detailed study about Tipu. When I learnt the facts I was shocked." (This is the English translation of Pradhan Gurudat's Kannada translation quoted by Mr. Bhyrappa in the article.)

Of course, one should not think about the Indian, specially the bollywood people who are experts in selling their thrilling, colourful entertainments. Even the people who write ballads are from the village fairs and dramas. But why people who write serious literature create thrilling, entertaining scenes of different type? Why do not they be loyal to the historical facts? Why do not they release themselves from the clutches of the historians of their ideology and try to interpret the historical evidences thinking independently? The historian S. Shettar (ICHR president) who supported Girish Karnad says, "Girish Karnad while writing a drama on Tippusultan, was searching for his good qualities only with the purpose of writing a drama. Dramatists and historians and creative writers will have their own ideals." (Vijaya Karnataka, 27th September, 2006).

S.L.Bhyrappa continues to lead a very active life and participated in massive Birth Centenary Celebration of Guruji in Mysore with Praveen Togadia. Many writers like Dr. Chidananda Murthy have followed Bhyrappa's lead in propagating Nationalistic unbiased views.

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What I am really glad about is that this work is in Kannada, a language which I do not understand! Why then am I glad you will say?
Simply because Karnataka (and to a limited extent Andhra Pradesh) is the only battleground in the South where Hindus in the name of Hinduism have held their own. After the iconoclastic DMK, to the Mapillah and Christists in Kerala and thence to Samuel Reddy - Hinduism is besieged in the South - and Karnataka has held forth.
Only recently a new polarization has started to take place - anyone remember the recent riots in Bangalore thanks to Jaffer Shareef? More power to the writer I would say - I am glad this work came out. I hope this will lead to Hindus voting as Hindus in Karnataka - if only you can build a bridge - any bridge - between the Vokkaligas and the Lingayats (and this bridge can only be the Hindu faith); can you imagine what a vote-bank that would be?
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More information about Bhyrappa.
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Wikipedia Link
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WHAT IS NOT TAUGHT ABOUT INDIAN HISTORY

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India in World History
Production and Global Exchange
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Consumers in most major cities of the world can buy Indian jewelry
and clothing. This statement is true today, but it would also have been true four thousand years ago. Goods, ideas, and religious concepts “made in India” have been exported to markets around the world since the people of the subcontinent built their first cities in the Indus Valley in the third millennium B.C.E.
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Consumers in most major cities of the world can buy Indian jewelry
and clothing. This statement is true today, but it would also have been true four thousand years ago. Goods, ideas, and religious concepts “made in India” have been exported to markets around the world since the people of the subcontinent built their first cities in the Indus Valley in the third millennium B.C.E. In 1959, excavations at Lothal in the present state of Gujarat clearly demonstrated that by 2000 B.C.E. trade and traders were going back and forth between Indian ports and Sumerian and Egyptian cities in West Asia.

The exchange of material goods between the Indus people and West Asia is evident from the similar styles of shaving and dress across this vast area and the common use of the swastika and other religious symbols. Excavations in West Asian cities have unearthed beads and other jewelry and even an Indus seal showing a Sumerian and an Indus trader making a deal with the help of an interpreter. Indus knobbed pottery vases were exported to Sumer. The Indus people also exported food to West Asia. It is clear that they grew and used cotton and were probably the first people in the world to do so. The ancient Greeks thought cotton came from “wool-bearing trees.”

Bead making was a major industry in Indus Valley cities, and craftsmen developed sophisticated shaping and drilling techniques using raw materials such as lapis and carnelian. They also worked with shells, agate, and copper and fashioned jewelry out of gold and silver and semiprecious stones. Less expensive mass-produced ornaments were manufactured out of terra cotta.

Lothal, which is now about 30 miles inland from the Arabian Sea, was then a port city and perhaps the capital of the southern province of the Indus civilization. Lothal had a scientifically designed dockyard, the earliest of its kind in the world. Ships entered the dock at high tide and a watertight locking device in the spillway in the southern wall kept the water level even at low tide. As many as 30 ships were able to dock at Lothal at any one time.

Indian mariners also sailed along the northern coasts of the Indian Ocean. Should they stray too far from land, navigators released birds and followed their flight so as to move back nearer the mainland. A seal found at Lothal had an Egyptian pyramid on it, suggesting contact with the Nile Valley. Indus tablets have been found as far away as Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean.

Indo-European Migrations

After the Indo-European migration in the middle of the second millennium B.C.E., the Aryans, as they called themselves, gradually settled down and began to farm and build towns across the extensive Gangetic Plain. They also participated in a lively trade with the peoples of West Asia. Phoenician shippers loaded teak logs, ivory, cotton cloth, jewelry, and other goods from India onto their ships and later sold them in Mediterranean markets. This trade was important enough to facilitate the introduction of Sanskrit terms into the Semitic languages of West Asia. The Sanskrit word for “ivory,” elph, is ibha in Hebrew, and the Sanskrit word for “sandalwood,” valgu, is closely related to the Hebrew term almug. In 1963 seals were found in Bengal inscribed with Cretan Linear A script, another example of India’s long-distance trade with the Mediterranean in the second millennium B.C.E.

As the Aryans intermixed with the various local peoples of the subcontinent, they produced a vibrant heroic literature that strongly echoes their cousins in the Mediterranean world. The Indian Ramayana and the Greek Iliad share the same basic frame story about the abduction of a royal lady and how warrior tribes go to her rescue. These epics likely emerged from a common Indo-European legend. Later, animal tales that originated in the Indian Panchatantra found their way into Buddhist Jataka Tales and a Muslim version known as Kalila wa Dimnah. Echoes of these stories can be found in Uncle Remus tales of tar babies, foxes, and sour grapes.

The Reurbanization of India and the First Empires (700
B.C.E.–500 C.E.)

Around 700 B.C.E., as new cities such as Ujjain, Patilaputra, and Varanasi developed in the Indo-Gangetic plain, thinkers began to bring together the many strands of religion, science, and philosophy into a creative new synthesis. New world views were worked out in such classical works as the Upanishads.

By the sixth century B.C.E., a number of reformers were challenging many of the Brahminical values and practices, particularly caste hierarchy and the emphasis on elaborate fire rituals and sacrifices. Two major reformers of the time were Mahavira, the historical founder of Jainism, and the Buddha, the founder of Buddhism. They were contemporaries and many of their teachings were based on earlier Hindu ideas, such as karma, dharma, and reincarnation. These reform movements, in reaction to the confusion and constant warfare spurred by the nomadic migrations and invasions of the previous millennium, should be seen not as isolated in India, but rather as responses to the more universal issues that so many Eurasian societies were facing during this era. The ideas were aimed at finding new meanings in a drastically changing world. In this effort, Indian philosophers shared a common endeavor with their Greek, Hebrew, Persian, and Chinese neighbors.

During the Hellenistic age (320 B.C.E.–31 C.E.), stimulated by
Alexander’s conquests, India engaged in an active exchange with the
Mediterranean world. Ambassadors, traders, and philosophers moved
regularly in both directions. Many Greek concepts entered India,
including Greek and Roman images of deities, and the Persian idea of
empire building. The Greek ambassador in the Mauryan capital at
Magadha asked the Greeks to send not only wine and other consumer
goods but also a sophist. Conversely, the Indian idea that the material world is an illusion, and the belief in an underlying divine force in the universe spread to the Mediterranean world and north to China.

Under the Ptolemies in Egypt (331–01 B.C.E.), Roman trade with India intensified. Indian spices, perfumes, precious stones, elephants, fine cotton cloth, ivory, iron ore, and animals and birds such as peacocks, parrots, tigers, elephants, and monkeys all were exported in large numbers, and most of these products ended up in Roman territories. After their conquest of Egypt, the Romans were brought into direct contact with India. During the Kushan rule in north India beginning in the first century C.E., a vigorous trade and exchange of people, goods, and ideas ensued.

Taking advantage of the seasonal shifts of monsoon winds, Indian merchants plied the waters of the Indian Ocean and the Arabian Sea on their way to East Africa and West Asia. During the reign of Augustus, a major Roman geographer reported that 120 Indian ships had arrived at the port of Hormos in a single season. There are records of at least eight Indian trade missions to Rome from the Rule of Trajan (98–117 C.E.) to Justinian (527–565 C.E.). Pliny the Elder, among others, complained of the great drain on Roman gold and silver because of Romans’ voracious appetites for Indian luxuries. There are large finds of Roman coins in south India where they were once exchanged for jewels and spices. Pliny went on to point out that Indian wares cost a hundred times more in Roman markets than in India.

An Egyptian Greek merchant composed the Periplus, a practical handbook for merchants that describes the active India trade and the number of Indians living in Alexandria. The brisk trade between Rome and South India is further attested to by the presence of diaspora European communities who lived near the Kaveri River and around Madurai in the modern day state of Tamil Nadu.

The Mediterranean world not only wanted Indian material goods but ideas as well. Clement of Alexandria (150–218 C.E.) accused many of his fellow Mediterranean philosophers of stealing “their philosophy from the barbarians [Indians].” The philosopher Plontinus (204–270 C.E.), a major follower of Plato and arguably the most influential thinker on the early Christian Church, accompanied the Roman emperor during the wars against Persia so that he could study Indian philosophy. He credited Indian thought with having an important influence on the development of his own philosophy.

Rome’s taste for Indian luxuries was so great that Indian manufacturers could not satisfy the demand and in turn established a lively trade with Southeast Asia where they bought goods to sell to Roman merchants. However, with the decline of the Roman Empire during the Gupta Empire, the European demand for Indian goods dramatically declined for nearly a thousand years.

Buddhism

With the support of Emperor Ashoka (ruled c. 273-232 B.C.E), who convened the first Buddhist council in Patilaputra in 247 B.C.E., Buddhist missionaries ventured out from India to spread their faith to the northwest, southeast, and northeast. Soon Buddhist ascetics were known widely in Persia and Bactria. In Turkistan, Buddhism met other religious traditions such as Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and
Manicheanism.

By the first century B.C.E. Theravada Buddhists were actively spreading their message in Southeast Asia. Both Buddhist and Brahmin missionaries popularized their faiths in parts of present day Indonesia, Burma (presently Myanmar), Cambodia, and then later in Siam (presently Thailand). Indian cultural exports helped shape Southeast Asian civilizations. Many of the new states in the region adopted the Indian idea of kingship embodied in the Ashokan ideal of chakravartin (see Background Essay 4, “Governance and the State Throughout Indian History,” by Craig Baxter). The great and continuing popularity of the Indian epics the Ramayana and the Mahabharata in Thailand, Cambodia, and Indonesia also attest to the profound influence of Indian civilization. Buddhist architecture at Borobudur in Java, Indonesia, and the Hindu temples at Angkor Wat in Cambodia are among the greatest monuments these two Indian religions have inspired anywhere in the world.

After the first century C.E., Mahayana converts in Central Asia, China, Korea, and Japan were gradually turning these areas into Buddhist societies. Once installed in China, Chinese pilgrims traveled the Silk Roads and sea routes to India to study Buddhism and Indian culture firsthand. In the fourth century C.E. the Chinese monk Fa Xian noted on his journey to India that the central Asian city of Kashgar in the Tarim Basin was home to 2,000 Theravada monks and that Mahayana monks were even more numerous there. The dialogue between a Buddhist teacher and King Menander of a neighboring Indo-Greek state symbolizes the appeal Buddhism had for powerful rulers as well as for the middle classes, women, and workers. After the founding of the Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt in 331-23 B.C.E., many Buddhist monks lived in Egypt, especially in the capital at Alexandria.

Buddhist cave sanctuaries at Ajanta and the Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain cave temples and monasteries at Ellora were also replicated abroad. By the time of the northern Wei Dynasty in China (460–465 C.E.), artists and artisans were constructing Buddhist caves at Yungang. Clearly these excavations were modeled on Ajanta. In several of the caves there are small representations of Hindu gods as well as of major figures of the Buddhist tradition. The style and approach of these excavated cave temples is unmistakably Indian in origin and testifies to the probable presence of Indian craftsmen working in north China.

Similar worship and living spaces were constructed at many places
along the Silk Road all the way to southern Korea at Kyongiu. These cave sanctuaries, along with the impressive number of images of the Buddha and Hindu gods that appear in Southeast Asia, further indicate the strong attraction of Indian artistic and architectural forms during the first seven centuries of the Common Era. By the eleventh century, Tibetans had accepted Buddhism as their major religion, adapted to local culture, and carried on as Lamaism. About this time Indian Buddhism also became a major force in neighboring Nepal.

Exchanges after the Guptas: “Southernization”

During the period 200–600 C.E. Indian civilization was preeminent in Eurasia. Especially during the Gupta Empire (320–550 C.E.), a creative burst of literature, art, philosophy, and science provided India with attractive exports to send across Afro-Eurasia. Long before the Guptas, Indian philosophers had postulated that the world is made of atoms. An inscription found on an Ashoka Rock Pillar, carved about 256 B.C.E., had introduced the world’s first use of place numbers. By Gupta times the use of zero was well known in the subcontinent and in 873 C.E. the Muslim scholar Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khwarazmi introduced the concept to mathematicians in Baghdad. By the
thirteenth century this seminal mathematical idea had spread all the way to Europe.

Cotton production was India’s major industry. Biblical passages refer to the high quality of Indian textiles. In the Latin Bible, Job is quoted as saying “that wisdom is even more enduring that the ‘dyed colors of India.” By 200 B.C.E., Romans were using the Sanskrit word for cotton (Latin, carbasina; Sanskrit, karpasa). In the fifth century C.E. an Indonesian mission carried textiles from India to China. Indian Ocean traders knew that Indian cotton was so fine that it could be “drawn through a signet ring.”[i] Both the coarse and fine Indian manufactured cotton products found ready markets in Rome, China, Egypt, Africa, and Southeast Asia.

Even after the decline of the Gupta Empire and the disruption caused by the migration of Huns into the northern Indian plain, India’s long tradition of ocean trade continued. The coastal kingdoms of Gujarat on the west and Bengal on the east, as well as several southern states, dominated Indian trading. By the early tenth century the Cholas were able to oust the Pallavas from their strongholds in southern India and consolidate a large southern kingdom of their own. One hundred years later (1016 C.E.) the Cholas had subjugated the Malabar coast as well as most of what is now Tamil Nadu, giving them virtual control over all of southern India and its prosperous trade. At the time the Chola navy was the largest in the Indian Ocean and Chola merchants were second only to the Muslims in the region.

Indian merchants continued to export precious stones, spices, iron, and animals; however, cotton cloth, finely woven and beautifully block printed, was their biggest export. We might even suggest that India during this era was “clothing the world.” Up until the sixteenth century Indian craftsmen and women produced the bulk of cotton cloth, and Arab and Indian traders dominated the cotton trade across the entire hemisphere. In the seventeenth century, European merchants found they could sell Indian textiles at a great profit at home.

Muslim traders and travelers were largely responsible for carrying many of India’s original mathematical and scientific contributions to China and to the West (see Background Essay 5, “Math, Science, and Technology in India: From the Ancient to the Recent Past,” by Roddam Narasimha). Additionally, Indian jewelry, shipbuilding, and steel making were superior to any in the world. When the European “crusaders” invaded West Asia after 1095, they wielded steel swords manufactured in India. World historian Linda Shaffer has recently argued that India’s contributions to China and the West were so profound that the period between 300 and 800 C.E. could well be called “southernization.”[ii]

The Indian Ocean and Silk Roads trade facilitated the introduction of
many new agricultural products into the Mediterranean and Europe. As early as the eighth century, Muslim traders began to introduce numerous new crops into these areas, most of which came from India. For the first time, cultivators in West Asia and the Mediterranean began to grow hard wheat, rice, sugarcane, and new varieties of sorghum. Farmers also began to plant new fruit crops from India such as bananas, oranges, lemons, mangos, watermelon, and coconut palms. New Indian vegetables introduced to the West included spinach, artichoke, and eggplant. Since the earlier agricultural system in these areas was based on a single winter crop, farmers could now grow summer crops as well. The impact of a new two-crop and even hree crop system led to new irrigation systems, changes in land tenure and taxation, and a significant increase in food production that in turn supported a growing population and the rise of new cities in the West. [iii]

The impact of Indian products on the West is evident in the familiar terms we use for these items and their Indian linguistic origins. The word “sugar” is derived from the Sanskrit term sharkara, “camphor” from the Sanskrit root word karpuram, and “tin” comes from the more technical term for its mineral, “cassiterite,” which can be traced to the Sanskrit term kasthira.

Trade Under the Sultanate and Mughals

The trade advantages enjoyed by the Chola, Gujarati, and Bengali cotton manufacturers dramatically ended after 1200 when Muslim Turkish invaders from Afghanistan swept into northern India and established the sultanate of Delhi. In the following two centuries the new Turkish dynasties took over the Gujarati and Bengali trade and controlled much of the textile manufacturing as well. However, in 1401 Gujarat declared independence from the sultanate and expanded its trade with the West. By the mid-fifteenth century, Ahmedabad, its capital city, was widely known as the “Venice of India.” [iv] The Gujarati trading castes called banias, riding the winds of Indian ocean trade, amassed such great riches that they were envied by both Indians and foreigners.

From 1400 to 1750 Indian coastal cities, strung like a necklace from Gujarat in the northwest around the southern tip of India all the way to Bengal in the northeast, played a central role in the Eurasian trading system. By 1750 India’s population stood at 200 million and produced about a fourth of the world’s manufactures. Besides dominating the shipping lanes, Indian traders traveled by land along the Silk Roads as well as across the subcontinent. Caravans of up to 40,000 pack animals linked the port cities and brought manufactured goods from the hinterlands.

World historians Andre Gunder Frank and Kenneth Pomeranz have established that until 1800 India maintained a massively favorable balance of trade with most of the world, especially with Europe. [v] Indian products were traded to the north, west, and east: cotton textiles, indigo, silk cloth, iron and steel products, housewares, glass, rice, wheat, spices, incense, shawls, blankets, paper, and saltpeter. Europe and West Asia paid for this vast trade imbalance with gold but mostly silver, much of it dug by slaves from Spanish mines in Peru and Mexico.

Colonialism and Imperialism

During the height of Mughal rule (1526–1707 C.E.) artisans and entrepreneurs made India what one economic historian has called the “industrial workshop of the world”:

Indian economic and financial organization and techniques of production were far more advanced than in Europe. Only in the seventeenth century did European traders attempt to take over some cotton mills and begin to retail cloth in European cities. By the end of the century Indian luxury cloth was so prized by Europeans that France prohibited the import of chintz to protect its own textile industry. In spite of this ban, French consumers continued to buy Indian cloth. Few European producers could master the Indian art of mordant dyeing which created cloth of intense colors. [vi]



The enormous manufacturing and trade balance advantages that India had enjoyed for some 2,500 years were slowly wiped out as a result of British colonial control of the subcontinent. In 1750, with the start of significant British presence in the north, India at the end of Mughal power was still producing about one-fourth of the world’s manufactured goods. It was not until the nineteenth century that British manufacturers could cheaply produce cotton cloth that equaled Indian quality. By using Indian-grown cotton to make cloth by machine at home, they finally ended India’s superiority. With increasing political control, the British were even able to force Indian consumers to buy inferior British fabrics.

By 1850, with the establishment of British control over political and economic life, India’s share of world manufacturing had sunk to a mere 8.6 percent of world production. At the time of India’s independence from England, India was producing only 1.5 percent of world manufactures. Clearly colonialism had “underdeveloped” India as an economic giant.

India After Independence

By the time of independence in 1947, India had become a very poor country. With an urban population making up a smaller percentage of the population than under Akbar in 1558, India’s villagers were competing for scarce land and resources. India’s industry, held back by British colonialism, was weak and the population was growing faster than the rate of economic growth.

Like other newly independent nations, the Indian government had to decide on the best way to achieve economic development. Even before independence, leaders of the nationalist movement had debated the proper mix between central planning and the free market, and whether to invest India’s limited resources in heavy industry or village development.

Mahatma Gandhi distrusted industrialization, which he saw as a major reason for Western materialism and lack of community. He preferred to focus on improving the quality of life in Indian villages, where about 85 percent of the population lived. He wanted to see wells dug, electricity brought in, primary and secondary schools opened, and village industries revived. For him, khadi, hand-woven cotton cloth, was the symbol of India’s economic freedom and equality. A “khadi mentality” meant “decentralization of production and distribution of the necessities of life.” Whereas mechanization would be good for the few, India’s challenge was to find work for its teeming millions and to create equality. “A non-violent system of government is clearly an impossibility so long as the wide gulf between the rich and the hungry millions persists.” [vii]

On the other hand, Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister, favored rapid industrialization and stated that India could not improve quality of life without the development of major industries. But he wanted to improve all kinds of industry: major, middling, small, village, and cottage. He also realized that the vast majority of the population would continue to work in agriculture, so that sector of the economy had to be addressed as well, although the first five-year plans did little to address that reality.

Under Nehru, the government ushered in a planned economy with the government actively participating in industrial growth. A series of fiveyear plans targeted important economic sectors for investment. They concentrated on railroads, steel, and manufacturing and paid scant attention to agriculture.

By the 1960s India faced acute food shortages and was forced to import large quantities of food grains. However, by the 1970s, the “Green Revolution” had made India self-sufficient in food production and she even began to export rice abroad. By 1990, India was not only self-sufficient in food grains, but 70 percent of the villages had electricity and many large irrigation projects were in operation.

Smallpox and plague had been eliminated and life expectancy nearly doubled since independence. By the last decade of the twentieth century, India had transformed its economy into a free market system and was an active participant in the global system. As a nuclear power, India has moved to preeminence in South Asia. Home to the third largest supply of scientific and technical manpower after the U.S. and Russia, India now ranks among the world’s six largest industrial nations.

The early 1990s found India’s planned economy in severe crisis. Inflation stood at 14 percent, the rupee was being sold on the black market at 25 percent higher than its official rate, and most pressing, India’s foreign exchange had sunk to almost nothing. India, despite Nehru’s policy of self-sufficiency, was sinking into debtor status like its Latin American counterparts. The downward spiral of the economy reached a climax in 1991 when the government had to ship a large percentage of its precious gold reserve to London as collateral for a $2.2 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

As prime minister of a Congress coalition government, P.V. Narasimha Rao and his new finance minister, Manmohan Singh, launched a new economic policy that in effect ended more than four decades of planned economy. India opened its doors to foreign investment,allowing foreign investors to become majority shareholders in Indian companies. The government slashed tariffs, made the rupee convertible, and embraced other market features.

The Rao reforms stimulated India’s growth and attracted billions in foreign investments. By 1996, the foreign exchange reserves had risen to 20 billion from 1 billion. India was now open to Coca Cola, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and McDonalds as well as to oil, computer, and other international manufacturing investors. However, once open to IMF and other international monetary rules, India had to reduce its traditional subsidies for food, fertilizer, and other consumer commodities and also agree to “downsize” industrial labor. By 1996, millions of Indians were agitating for a return of the supports they had long enjoyed and candidates for state governments, such as that of Andhra Pradesh, were willing to promise social democratic reforms. One of the most dramatic changes has brought India into the center of information technology, with new companies springing up in all the major cities, especially in the Bangalore area. One such IT company, INFOSYS, was the first Indian firm to be traded on NASDAQ. Its founder, Narayana Murty, is not only a highly successful businessman, but also a dedicated social reformer who believes that the new economy could be fairer to the poor and those left behind by the new wave of globalism. He preaches corporate citizenship, lives a simple Gandhian life, and gives millions of dollars to charitable works. Murty demonstrates once again that modern India still finds inspiration from its long past and can offer creative responses to modernity and to the challenges of the new global economy.

Examples abound of India’s presence in the world. In the modern age, India has offered Gandhian nonviolence as an alternative to the violence that has killed 140 million people in the last century, nearly 120 million of them slaughtered by their own governments. Indian clothing styles can be bought in many stores. Indian writers have won major prizes at home as well as in England and the U.S.—the Booker and Pulitzer prizes for literature have recently been awarded to Indian authors. Indian filmmakers are among the world’s leaders and Indian art and cuisine are highly visible in the major cities of the world. A large number of Indians now living in Europe, other parts of Asia, and the United States are contributing to major scientific, medical, and technological knowledge and are serving as active citizens as well. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


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http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2202/sto...28002803800.htm

Communist liar-whore Romila Thapar on her methods for Communist propaganda using school texts -- the #%%^#$% cannot get the basic facts straight.

The liar-whore admits that "muslim chroniclers" themselves wrote that conversion took place by the sword, and the goes on to claim that she knows better. And she teaches history to all the Indian kids...go figure -- whichever mofo "leader" of India asked "communist historians" to lie to Indian kids needs a chappal treatment. Already have the bucket of spit ready for consecrating Arjun Singh's rotting corpse, whenever the bugger manages to die and relieve us all of his existence.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>There is also the myth that all conversion to Islam took place at the point of the sword: the choice was Islam or Death. This is a caricature of conversion and was first stated by Muslim chroniclers and has since been picked up by others in recent times. </b> Conversion is a psychologically charged process and also relates to conditions of status and general well being. The majority of conversions were by jati/caste and were therefore voluntary. This needs an explanation. Frequently it was the Sufis whose teachings were persuasive. Often this resulted in closeness between the guru and the pir in religious forms that eroded religious boundaries. It was this in part that brought about the pluralism of Indian Islam. Since cultural and religious pluralism is a strong component of Indian civilisation it makes an impact on all religions in India. It is again this pluralism that is expressed in the many religious forms that allowed multiple and overlapping religious expressions. These are now being axed by the various religious fundamentalisms.
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As with anything else, "history is class warfare" according to this fake-history slut.

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This communist whore Romila Thapar has now been anointed "Kluge Chair" for cultures -- she is going to set the tone for western propaganda against India.

http://www.sacw.net/Alerts/IDRT300403.html

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Joint history manual between India, Pak.

Islamabad, March 11 (PTI): A joint manual, chronicling their history of wars and cultural traditions, would help India and Pakistan improve bilateral relations, German Ambassador to Pakistan Guntar Mulack on Saturday said.

Addressing the launch ceremony of the first ever 'Franco- German history manual' at the Alliance Francaise here, Mulack said Germany and France had different cultures, languages and traditions with a history of wars, and yet they managed to make a joint history manual.

"With similar cultures, Pakistan and India can easily follow their example, as human relations remain strong despite wars," the APP news agency quoted him as saying.

This helped both Germany and France to display reconciliation and friendship, he said.

French Ambassador Regis de Belenet said, such a book has helped promote relations between France and Germany and can prove helpful also for the leaders of Pakistan and India.

A film 'Merry Christmas-Joyeux Noel' was also shown to senior officials and diplomats on the occasion.

The manual was produced in 2006, with the first out of the three parts dealing with Europe and the world since 1945, the second dealing with the period from ancient history up till the Romantic Era and the third from the 19th century to 1945.

The manual is the first of its kind to be used in two different countries and will also serve as the standard history book in the last years of schools in France and Germany.

The day in pictures

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Most Indians are familiar with Anglo-Saxon and American views on civilizations.

Here is a link on a study by a Polish author in 1935

ON THE PLURALITY OF CIVILISATIONS



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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Jul 27 2007, 05:04 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Jul 27 2007, 05:04 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most Indians are familiar with Anglo-Saxon and American views on civilizations.

Here is a link on a study by a Polish author in 1935

ON THE PLURALITY OF CIVILISATIONS
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This is a great insight into their thinking.

Not much has deviated in 70 years.


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