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Samjhauta Express Catches Fire
#21
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are very certain of this, Hindi-writing people really ought to threaten the BBC with a lawsuit for misleading the public.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Husky the caption below the picture mentions though that "previous stuff like this happened", so it's not showing that as a picture of this blast since it confirms in the caption.
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#22
Sorry, it's 'cause I'm one of the Hindi illiterati.
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#23
If they can't protect or secure Samjhauta express. They should stop these train.
ISI always use this train to transport weapons, they hide explosives under train boogies or inside toilet. Now they are simply transporting them.
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#24
<b>Row over doors as bomb-hit train arrives in Pakistan</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As relatives had emotional reunions with loved ones on the train at Wagah, Pakistani railways minister Sheikh Rashid said the carnage had been worse because doors of the carriages had been locked.

"Most of the deaths occurred because the bogies were locked from inside. Some people jumped out of train after breaking window glass," Rashid told state television from Wagah station.

"Many lives could have been saved if the train was not locked from inside," Rashid said.

He added, "I will talk to the prime minister about this so that he should ask the Indians not to lock passengers inside the trains."
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They should keep these door open so that these pakies can jump out of train anywhere with weapon or just throw drugs or weapon anywhere.
Good going.
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#25
<b>Govt has sufficient information about perpetrators: Patil</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Disagreeing with a questioner that the incident was yet another example of 'intelligence failure', he retorted "we are not in the game of blaming each other."

About the nature of the explosive, Patil said a 'new type' of material was used this time which caught fire quickly and the flames spread rapidly.

This was evident from the manner from which the two bogies were badly burnt and iron rods inside had even melted, he said, adding the explosives were packed in suitcases.
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hahahah , as usual.
Lalooo should resign.
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#26
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..and then they should be garlanded, given biryani, included in the "India's Heroes" chapter in our History Books (with other mass murderering piglets like aurangzeb, babur). Then I will go to England and Vatican City and give Her Majesty and His Popularity a speech on how secular our little US-European colony is onlee...
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#27
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->  <b>Ghastly attack on Indo-Pak Samjhauta Express </b>
Pioneer.com
Agencies | New Delhi
In a horrendous terror strike, 66 Pakistan-bound passengers, including women and children, were burnt to death and 60 injured when two coaches of the Samjhauta Express caught fire following explosions on Sunday night about 10 kms from Panipat.

Forensic experts who collected samples from the train were of the view that low intensity explosives like sulphur or nitrate were used to trigger the blasts with kerosene-filled bottles acting as catalyst to spread the fire. While most of the injured were admitted to Panipat Civil hospital, 11 were taken to Safdarjung hospital in Delhi from were the Delhi-Attari special had left at 10.40 last night.

<b>Bodies charred beyond recognition, mangled metal of the two coaches, burnt bangles, footwear and other belongings of the passengers bore mute testimony to the ghastly attack that occurred 75 minutes after the train had left Delhi.</b>

<b>Two suitcases containing IEDs were recovered from the train and the track, one of which contained petrol or kerosene,</b> Northern Railway General Manager VN Mathur told reporters at the spot adding this was a clear case of sabotage.

Security experts believe that the explosives could have been planted in Delhi itself as the train has <b>a non-stop run up to Attari on the Indo-Pak border with a two-minute technical halt at Ludhiana where no one can get in or get out of the train</b>.

The train with other passengers, however, resumed its journey after detachment of the affected coaches.
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#28
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Lalu admits to lapse in checking of luggage  </b>
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PTI | Deewana (Haryana)
Virtually admitting a security lapse in the Samjhauta Express blasts, Railway Minister Lalu Prasad today said there was no equipment for checking what was there inside the luggage.

"Though there are metal detectors, we don't have the equipment to check what is inside the luggage. We can't deny that (security lapse)," he told mediapersons here when asked if there was any security lapse in the checking-in of Samjhauta Express passengers.
<b> "Worldwide, no such equipment is available,"</b> he said.

Prasad, who visited the site of the incident around 100 km from here, also said each and every luggage could not be checked as it caused inconvenience to the passengers.

"We will accept if there is any fault on the part of Railways. We don't want to cover up," he said.

The Minister said the <b>state governments of Punjab and Haryana had a major role in ensuring the security of the train</b> and the Railway Protection Force did not have much powers.

<b>"It is the responsibility of the state governments to ensure the security of the train,"</b> he said.

Railway police was escorting the train till Attari, where more security checks were to take place, Prasad said. 
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Laloo is lying and he should resign. Why State of Delhi is not responsible for train security?
They should check every single baggage. It is done at airport, why not here. There should be no excuse to check train which transport potential terrorist.
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#29
I read somewhere that the train makes only one "technical stop" in ludhiana where no one get in or gets out of the train and that the bombs were planted in Delhi - how is this then state govts fault ?
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#30
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This is Laloo's horse manure. Ludhiana comes later.

Main stations from Delhi till Amritsar are in this sequence, not necessarily train stops on these station. Train slow down in number of place because of line congestion

<b>Delhi, Sabzi Mandi, Sonepat, Panipat, Karnal, Kurukshetra, Ambala Cantt, Ambala City, Khanana, Payal, Ludhiana, Phagwara, Jalandhar Cantt, Jalandhar City, Beas, Amritsar</b>
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#31
More nonsense from Laloo
<b>Commissioner Rly Safety to probe train blast</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to Railway Minister Lalu Yadav, one of the injured Pakistani passengers of the ill-fated train, Rana Shaukat Ali, told him at Safdarjung Hospital that two suspicious-looking people had been noticed in his coach by assistant sub-inspector Kashmira Singh of the Railway Protection Force (RPF) who was travelling in the security contingent.

The ASI enquired from these two, who had mufflers wrapped around their heads, as to where were they going. On being told that they were headed for Ahmedabad in Gujarat, the official informed them that they had boarded the wrong train and <b>asked them to get off when there was a five-minute technical halt at Ambala</b>.  

However, as per Ali's account, they got off the train soon after when it slowed down at a signal somewhere before Diwana station. The blasts occurred in the compartment about 15 to 20 minutes later, said Lalu who had gone to visit the injured admitted at Safdarjung Hospital.

According to the minister, security on the Indo-Pak express train will be stepped up considerably and its departure point will be shifted from the crowded Old Delhi station to some other station in the city. Railway officials said it was difficult to ensure watertight security at the Old Delhi station because of the very large number of people who visited it.
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What a nonsense? They can't even lie properly or twist story properly witout any knowledge. Gosh!!
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First, Ambala comes later, blast took place before Panipat. How it is possible they asked them to get off at Ambala?

Why they are linking this with Godhara? or Gujarat?
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#32
How many of the killed were hindus?

It could be a anti-hindu terrorism. It is just after shivarathri and many of the hindus may be returning after taking part in triyag etc. Also the bombs were in unreserved. ISI would plan well and make bookings for their agents. So I guess hindus returning after festivities would travel unreserved.
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#33
4 hindus are in injured list.
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#34
I also read somewhere that after the train starts from delhi the doors are locked so nobody can get out of it then why is this ali character claiming that they got off before Diwana station ?
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#35
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I also read somewhere that after the train starts from delhi the doors are locked so nobody can get out of it then why is this ali character claiming that they got off before Diwana station ? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He is lying, because he is saying they got off at Ambala.
Here is station sequence and train stop only at Ludhiana. I know train slows down at some station.
Here is list how I remember, where it slows down or stop even for fast train/non-stop trains.
But this train was non-stop, so it will slows down at these point but will not stop.
Even Shatbadi (red) stops at some station for 2-3 mins only.

<b>Delhi -> Sabzi Mandi -> Sonepat -> Panipat -> Karnal -> Kurukshetra -> Ambala Cantt -> Ambala City -> Khanna ->Payal -> Ludhiana -> Phagwara -> Jalandhar Cantt -> Jalandhar City -> Beas -> Amritsar</b>
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#36
<b>THE DEEWANA INCIDENT - INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM MONITOR</b> by B. Raman
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->7. One has to await further evidence before assessing who might have been responsible for the Deewana tragedy. The Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), the Pakistani jihadi terrorist organisation, and its Indian collaborator the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) were found responsible for the Mumbai explosions. The SIMI was reportedly found responsible for the Malegaon explosions. One does not as yet have any idea as to who might have been responsible for the Deewana incident.

<b>8. I am strongly against the Indo-Pakistan peace process as carried on by the present Government in New Delhi. It is playing into the hands of Gen. Pervez Musharraf and his horde of jihadi terrorists whom he and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) have been using to make India bleed. At the same time, I am against postponing the so-called peace process because that would be interpreted by the terrorists as a major success for them. By all means continue talking with Pakistan, but talk strongly and make it clear that till terrorism stops, there will be no progress on other issues.  Discontinue the joint counter-terrorism mechanism fraud sought to be perpetrated by Musharraf on us.  Discard the softness which has crept into our counter-terrorism policies and in our diplomacy. Strengthen the hands of the Police, give them the required special powers and let them have a free hand in their investigations.</b>
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It was B. Raman who was prasing and glaoting about Moron Singh and The Queen, their foreign policy. Now he is seeing their days are numbered, he is shifting his gears again.
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#37
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The tragedy has also raised questions on the security at the Old Delhi railway station, as the explosives were believed to have been planted at the starting point of the journey. <b>The fact that the suitcases that had an evident red indicator could not be caught at the station leaves no doubt in maintaining the lack of security</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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#38
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Kin allowed to meet passengers in coaches after security drill  </b>
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Deepak Kumar Jha | New Delhi
It may be an irony that Delhi Police had specific information about the terrorists who were nabbed after a brief encounter at Connaught Place early this month, but did not have an iota of information about the bombs that were probably planted at Puraani Dilli Junction. Nonetheless, the large-heartedness of the Railway Protection Force (RPF) and other security officials at the station can be perceived by the way they allow the relatives and friends of passengers to greet each other inside the coaches after the frisking and security check.

<b>Platform no 18, from where the Delhi-Attari 4001up departs on Sundays and Wednesdays at 10.50 pm can be accessed by several points including a huge hole on the boundary wall opposite the Novelty Cinema. This hole, which is big enough to pass on two persons simultaneously, also leads to station yard where several long distance trains, including the Attari Express, are lined up for maintenance</b>.

<b>"During my several visits to the station to see off my relatives I found that the authorities were kind enough. Even after the security drill we were allowed to meet our kin inside the coaches minutes before the train is about to leave. At times they even accept bribe to pass on heavy luggage on our request that Sirji isme kuch nahi hai rehne do nahi to phir se luggage bandhna padega,"</b> said Mohammed Aslam from Firzobad who had come to the Delhi station to inquire about his relatives. Abdul Majid was travelling with four family members who belonged to Hyderabad in Pakistan. Aslam came to know that his relatives were safe and were on board the train to Attari and onward to Lahore.

Besides, 16 coaches of the Delhi-Attari 4001up are escorted by only six RPF personnel comprising one Assistant Sub-Inspector (ASI), two head constables and three constables. "It is really difficult to manage each and every coach as the eight general compartments of the train do not have vestibules and they are not inter-connected.<b> Further it does not have any stoppage till Ambala which even is a technical one which makes impossible for the personnel to move on to different coaches constantly.</b> However, we follow the traditional way of frisking," said a senior RPF official requesting not to quote him.

Virtually admitting a security lapse, even Railway Minister Lalu Yadav on Monday said there was no equipment for checking what was there inside the luggage. "Though there are metal detectors, we don't have the equipment to check what is inside the luggage. We can't deny that (security lapse)," he said replying to reporters when asked if there was any security lapse. The Minister also said the State Governments of Punjab and Haryana had a major role in ensuring the security of the train and the RPF did not have many powers. <b>Later in the evening, Yadav also said that the Delhi-Attari train will now depart from Safdarjung Station after the logistics approval are completed.</b>
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#39
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Terrible outrage </b>
The Pioneer Edit Desk
UPA has only itself to blame
It is astonishing that security arrangements for the Lahore-bound Samjhauta Express should have been so lax as to allow terrorists to plant explosive devices and inflammable material in two bogeys of the train that is meant to promote friendship between the people of India and Pakistan with disastrous consequences. <b>At the last count, at least 67 passengers, most of them Pakistanis,</b> including men, women and children, were killed in the explosions and the resultant fire that ravaged the two bogeys, catching people unawares in the dead of night. It would be an understatement to describe the latest terror strike as a dastardly attack on innocent people; it is a grim reminder that precious little has been done by the UPA Government to achieve any tangible gains in the war against terror within India's territory. On the contrary, by repealing the <b>Prevention of Terrorism Act and subsequently refusing to crack down on terrorism despite several horrifying attacks in the mistaken belief that inaction will win the Congress Muslim votes, this Government has inflicted immeasurable harm on the country and made internal security a negotiable instrument to mollycoddle killers and their patrons</b>. For all his bluster about jihadis gaining ground and the need to be watchful, the National Security Adviser, who also happens to be the sole repository of all intelligence input, has utterly failed in fulfilling his primary responsibility. No less to blame is the Prime Minister who has become a captive of his own rhetoric and believes vacuous grandstanding is a substitute for effective security measures. <b>We need not comment on the Home Minister and his abysmal lack of command over his job.</b>

With specific details yet to emerge about the identity of the bombers - hopefully we will be spared the routine official bunkum that has been put out after recent terrorist strikes - it is anybody's guess as to who or which organisation is responsible for Sunday night's attack. <b>It is entirely possible that the bombers are of Pakistani origin and their mission was to destabilise the peace process between the two countries by triggering a domestic backlash against Gen Pervez Musharraf</b>. At the same time, we cannot rule out the involvement of home-grown jihadis doing their masters' bidding. Whatever the identity of the mass killers, we cannot side-step the fact that ensuring safety on Samjhauta Express while it is on Indian territory is the responsibility of the Government of India. To that extent, the Pakistan Government cannot be faulted for its mocking comments. The perpetrator of cross-border terror has not missed the opportunity to paint the victim in bleak colours and we have only the UPA Government to blame for this bizarre turn of events. Had there been no security lapse and had the UPA Government been truly committed to fighting terrorism, whether of foreign or domestic origin, then Pakistan would not have had the vicarious pleasure of putting India on the defensive. On Monday, while <b>Prime Minister Manmohan Singh meekly fumbled for an explanation, Gen Musharraf magnanimously suggested that the bombings should not be allowed to derail the bilateral peace process.</b> The boot is now truly on the other foot.
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#40
In covering the Samjhauta Express fire, the Sydney Morning Herald brings up Godhra at the very end. Now take a close look at the ending paragraphs, because they are relaying the psecular Indian congressi and communist opinion, which had been carefully manufactured precisely to create this international odium:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/train-sui...1733662974.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Train 'suitcase bombs' kill at least 64</b>
February 19, 2007 - 1:56PM

Twin blasts aboard a train bound from India to Pakistan that killed at least 64 people were probably "an act of terror'', a spokesman for India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says.

"This is what it suggests, that it was an act of terror,'' spokesman Sanyaja Baru said.

A top state government official said most of the victims were Pakistanis but included some Indian security personnel.

Two suitcases filled with flammable material which investigators believe may have been explosive devices were found at the scene, said VN Mathur, general manager of the Northern Railway.

He said one was found inside a burned coach and the other on the railroad track.

Speaking to reporters at the scene, India's junior railways minister R Velu, said: "We have 64 bodies.''

The fire engulfed two coaches of the Samjhauta Express, one of two train links between rivals India and Pakistan.

Because of security concerns, the train is kept sealed - with locked doors and barred windows in the lower-class coaches - from New Delhi to the border, and passengers may have been trapped inside the burning cars.

The fire broke out just before the train reached the station in the village of Deewana, about 80km north of New Delhi.

People who live near the tracks rushed to the train with buckets of water soon after the fire broke out, and the blaze was eventually extinguished after fire trucks arrived.

At least 30 passengers who were burned or injured in the blaze have been hospitalised in the nearby town of Panipat, Mathur told reporters.

The train was travelling from New Delhi to Atari, the last railroad station before the border with Pakistan.

The train links are one of the most visible results of the peace process underway between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan, and one of the easiest ways to travel between the two countries.

Within hours of the fire, authorities detached the burned coaches and the rest of the train left for the India-Pakistan border.

Today's blaze immediately revived memories of one of India's worst outbreaks of sectarian bloodletting - the Hindu-Muslim riots that broke out after a 2002 train fire in which 60 Hindus returning from a religious pilgrimage were killed.

<b>Muslims were blamed for the fire in the western state of Gujarat, and more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslim, were killed by Hindu mobs.</b>

About 84 per cent of India's more than 1 billion people are Hindu, and Muslims account for about 14 per cent.
AP<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That the AP thinks muslims were only 'blamed' and never proven to have been the cause of the Godhra train fire and murders is because of what our own psecular media and the initial motivated 'fact'-finding committee set up by the lying govt have presented in their calculated fashion.

However, this is grabbed from the air in its entirety - not even done with the aid of the inventive (that is, lying) Indian pseculars:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims were blamed for the fire in the western state of Gujarat, and more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslim, were killed by Hindu mobs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What? "More than 1,000 people, most of them muslim" all killed by 'Hindu mobs' - including the Hindu victims? What have these reporters been smoking? All of the >1000 people 'killed by Hindu mobs'? Who said? Not even minorityist psecular Mira Kamdar says that. She glosses over Hindu deaths (including the initial deaths of the Godhra train victims) - naturally; and glorifies the victimhood of the islamics - of course.
See the bit in red, with the surrounding section for context:
http://koenraadelst.voi.org/articles/fas...amdar.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>6. The Godhra carnage</b>

In her paper, Mira Kamdar defends the well-known position of a fraction in India’s ideological landscape which calls itself “secularist”. It will be clear by now that this so-called “secularism” is a deeply flawed political identity, but I will give Ms. Kamdar credit for being rather more even-handed in her presentation than is common in secularist sources. Thus, she writes:

“On February 27, a train carrying Hindu militants back from a trip to Ayodhya, where they had gone to press anew for the construction of a temple on the site of the razed Babri mosque, stopped in the small town of Godhra, near Ahmedabad, in Gujarat. What happened next is not entirely clear, except for the fact that a Muslim mob set fire to the train, killing 58 people, mostly women and children.”

Most Hindutva sources, searchable on the internet but otherwise quite unreported in the Western media, have emphasized that most victims were “women and children”, implying a big question-mark over the description of the Godhra victims as “militants”. Because of this inconvenient implication, most authors propagating the “secularist” viewpoint before ignorant Western audiences have simply left out the detail that the victims were “mostly women and children”, so as to make the allegation of “militancy” more credible, along with the justifying suggestion that those fanatics had it coming to them. Well, it is to Ms. Kamdar’s credit that she didn’t play this game of deception. But it weakens her plea against Hindutva, for it amounts to an admission that the whole Gujarat carnage started with innocent Hindus being victimized. And in the blame game, it remains crucial which side is in a position to say: “You started it!”

Just how crucial, is illustrated by Mira Kamdar’s attempt, later on, to depict the Muslim participation in the subsequent riots as “retaliatory”, a characterization withheld from the Hindu retaliation: <b>“Once the violence got underway, there were <i>retaliatory</i> attacks by Muslims on Hindus.”</b> (emphasis added) It all depends at what moment you start counting. That is why many “secularist” references to the Gujarat riots now simply leave the initial Godhra episode unmentioned, just as most secularist accounts of the Mumbai riots of January 1993 pass over the initial Muslim attacks in silence. This is like letting World War II start with the Allied “aggression” in Normandy in 1944, opposed by German “defenders of Europe”.

But if in the case of Gujarat the Muslim initiative cannot be denied, it can at least be minimized and even, to some extent, justified: “Conspiracy theories aside, when a trainload of Hindu militants stops in a Muslim area, when taunts and insults begin to fly, it doesn’t take much to imagine how the situation can get badly out of control.” While this sentence deals with an attack of Muslims on Hindus, note how the author manages to describe the Hindus, and only the Hindus, as “fanatics”. And note that whereas the subsequent Hindu violence is attributed to the VHP, the Bajrang Dal, Chief Minister Narendra Modi and other named agents, the initial Muslim attack is not ascribed to conscious agents but reduced to an impersonal fact of life: “insults begin to fly”, “the situation gets out of control”. It seems that jihad really is the work of Heaven, not of man.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Point is: islamics killed Hindus in the riots too, <i>though on this particular occasion</i> Hindus killed more islamics. (The total deaths amounting to > 1,000 people, with somewhere between 200 and 300 Hindus dead, if I recall rightly.) Now, unless the press is willing to describe both the Hindus and islamists involved in the riots subsequent to the train terorism as 'mobs', then I'm okay (at least it's even-handed). But where they mention only 'Hindu mobs' and also imply that only the Hindus killed all of the 1000+ people (including the hundreds of Hindu victims of the riots!), this just shows up how predisposed western media is to believe only the psecular and islamic narrative. Unreliable.

What next? Will the same press write that Theo van Gogh stabbed himself? Or that that Dutch member of parliament (also murdered by an islami) assassinated himself?
Or are the islamic players in these events acknowledged and reported by the otherwise-biased press only because the victims are of European extraction? When Hindus die at islamic hands, they don't matter I suppose.
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