Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 01-23-2008, 02:51 AM by Naresh.)

[center]The Assassination of Benazir Bhutto, according to an Indian General[/center]

[center]Why is the situation in Pakistan irremediable?

General Vinod Saighal[/center]

QUOTEThe murder of the popular Pakistani politician Benzir Bhutto has to do with pricise logics. For decades the United States has financed the Pakistani military regime. Washington has supported the most extremist radical elements and has given sofisticated weapons to a government made up of an alliance of the military and the religious fundamentalists so that they back US interests. US-controllled Pakistani Secret Services (ISI), for instance, were involved in 9/11, which is no longer a secret

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ramana · 01-23-2008, 02:54 AM

When the tribal jihadis capture the TSP troops, mostly the paramilitary ones as the regular are not yet committed , they execute the Shias. Its their way of jihad. This is clear and to be understood that any captured Shia paramilitary are executed.

01-23-2008, 02:59 AM

We are not seeing retaliation from Shia, Or media and Paki Army is keeping news under rap and settle score themselves. Or situation is just like pre Zia houri land visit.

Naresh · 01-23-2008, 03:01 AM

Mudy Ji :

Hot News from the Bread Basket of Asia :

[center]Pakistanâs Caretaker Cabinet decides to issue ration cards[/center]

QUOTEISLAMABADâ Caretaker Government has decided to issue ration cards to the people so that they could get the items of daily use at subsidised rates from Utility Stores.

The decision to this effect has been taken in the cabinet meeting held under the chair of Caretaker Prime Minister Mohammadmian Soomro. In the meeting, the Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Livestock (MINFAL) has been directed to issue ration cards to the people belonging to lower-middle class to buy commodities at cheaper rates from Utility Stores.

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01-23-2008, 03:16 AM

This is happening in a rich nation, fort of Islam who gets free oil and billions dollars.
next they will ask to form queues outside store as it used to happen in Romania and Russia during commie days. Good going. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/guitar.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='guitar.gif' />

Shambhu · 01-23-2008, 05:10 AM

NPR ran a clip on Mush on his YouRope (pun intended) trip.

"Give us some time. You have had lots of time. We will one day come up to your standards of democracy. But we are a young nation. Give us time.."

I lost the radio connection at that point. Apparently newer model car radios have an inbuilt "Grovelling Limit". Lady said: *Beep* I am sorry, but the person you are listening to has grovelled too much.

Brother!

01-23-2008, 06:56 AM

QUOTE"Give us some time. You have had lots of time. We will one day come up to your standards of democracy. But we are a young nation. Give us time.."They are older than India. <!--emo& Big Grin

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Naresh · 01-23-2008, 03:58 PM

[center] <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />DAINIK NUTUN SAMACHAAR <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

1. Net foreign investment lowers by 31.9% in Jul-Dec

QUOTE* Outflow from stock markets was the main reason

KARACHI : Net foreign investment in the country took a plunge of $1.015 billion or 31.9 percent to $2.1697 billion during the first six months of the current financial year. The country had received foreign investment worth $3.184 billion in the same period of last financial year.

2. TCP buys 500,000 tonnes wheat in tender

QUOTEHAMBURG : Pakistan has purchased around 500,000 tonnes of wheat in a tender for up to 610,000 tonnes, which closed last week, European traders said on Tuesday. The purchase included about 100,000 tonnes of Canadian white wheat at $636 a tonne c&f. The rest was said to be red wheat bought at around $467 a tonne c&f.

3. Buying air tickets : Pakistanâs World Class IT, BPO & Call Centre Capabilities

MY wife recently had to urgently travel to Lahore. I called the PIAC call-line, booked a ticket and took the PNR. Then went to Karachi airport to buy my wifeâs ticket and see her off.

At the ticket counter next to the International Arrivals, I was told to buy my wifeâs ticket from the electronic kiosk next to the ticketing counter since I was paying by credit card.

I did just that and paid Rs12,780 for the ticket. When I got the credit card bill, I had been billed for Rs13,125.36. When I called the credit card people, the answer was simple as it was absurd.

They said that PIAâs ticketing kiosks did accept credit card payments but for some God-forsaken reason routed the transactions through some Swedish bank and, hence, we were billed first in US dollars and then converted back into rupees.

Now that is an outright theft on PIAâs part. Using a rupee credit card in Pakistan for a rupee transaction and given a final figure, and then be charged in USDs is daylight theft.

PIA should have had the courtesy and the decency to advertise on the kiosks that the billing would be done in USDs. Shame on PIA if this is the way they want to make money.

SAJAN H. MALIK
Karachi

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Naresh · 01-23-2008, 04:37 PM

[center]Iran wants to sign IPI pipeline deal with new government[/center]

* Deal signing now likely in March - Draft will not be amended

ISLAMABAD : Iran has said that it wanted to sign a Gas Sale and Purchase Agreement (GSPA) on the $7 billion Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project with an elected Pakistani government, sources told Daily Times on Tuesday.

Sources said that the signing of the GSPA was scheduled in Abu Dhabi this week, but was postponed because the Iranian government said it wanted to sign the deal with an elected rather than a caretaker government.

Deal signing : The signing of the deal is now likely in March as the elections are scheduled for February 18.

No amendments were likely to the draft of the deal, sources said. The Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet has approved the draft. The ECC has also approved a formal request for an additional 1.05 billion cubic feet per day if India did not join the project. Pakistan will import 2.2 billion cubic feet of gas from Iran if India stays out of the project. The signing of the deal had earlier been delayed because Iran said it was awaiting approval from its board on the project.

Technical and financial feasibility studies of the project are already underway and expression of interests is likely to be invited through international bidding.

Officials earlier said the price of the imported gas would be linked to Japan Crude Cocktail. A 56-inch pipeline will be laid if India joins the project, and a 36-inch pipeline otherwise.

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Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 01-23-2008, 04:39 PM by Bodhi.)

QUOTE(Naresh @ Jan 23 2008, 02:44 AM)As per Brigadier (Retd.) Shaukat Qadir, Baitullah Mehsudâs Militants captured Twenty FC Personnel and Six of thoseÂ captured were executed by the militants, since they were Shia. [right][snapback]77424[/snapback][/right]


In a sudden raid and capture, how they would have identified Shia-s from Sunni-s? unless one of the captured Sunni helped? Or by name?

Naresh · 01-23-2008, 11:57 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jan 23 2008, 04:38 PM)In a sudden raid and capture, how they would have identified Shia-s from Sunni-s? unless one of the captured Sunni helped? Or by name?
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Bodhi Ji :

There are Four Telltale ways a Shia can be identified :

1. By the âScarsâ due to Self-Flagellation at the Moharrum Processions.

2. A Sunni will end his Prayers â¦â¦â¦â¦.Rasool Allah. However a Shia will end it with âWali Hussainâ and an Ahmedi will with reference to the founder of the Sect Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani

3. Have tattoos on their arms, such as names of Ali or Hussein his son, or the sword of Ali, Zulfiqar.

4. Names

For detailed information please refer to the following Link :

How To Differentiate Between a Sunni Muslim and a Shiite Muslim

Of course the easiest way is for one of the (I am sure that all of them would point to the Shias) Captured Pakistani Brave Sunni Soldiers to inform the Militants about the Sectarian Identity of their Six Shia fellow soldiers.

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01-24-2008, 02:09 AM

Well, we knew it all along.
Musharraf: Pakistan Is Not Hunting Osama bin Laden
And Mushy say's:
QUOTE"I can assure you that nothing will happen in Pakistan," he said. "We are not a banana republic."

Not a banana republic, but a republic which army will sell for a few bananas more.

Naresh · 01-24-2008, 02:09 AM

[center] <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />Former generals ask Musharraf to quit <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

ISLAMABAD : A group of retired senior military officers, including former army chief Mirza Aslam Beg and ex-ISI head Hamid Gul, have asked President Pervez Musharraf to resign in the supreme national interest since he "does not represent the unity and the symbol" of the federation.

"General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf does not represent the unity and the symbol of the federation as President," said Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Society, an organisation working for the welfare of retired military personnel.

"He should resign from his office of the President and this is in the supreme national interest and makes it incumbent on him to step down", it said in a statement.

Apart from the retired service chiefs, dozens of former commanders and some retired junior commissioned officers, who met in the garrison city of Rawalpindi on Tuesday, blamed Musharraf for the current crisis in Pakistan and asked him to step down. Beg and Gul also attended the meeting.

The society is headed by Lt Gen (retired) Faiz Ali Chishti, once a key member of late Gen Zia-ul-Haq's regime.

The ex-servicemen said an impartial, effective, independent and credible Election Commission should be appointed after consultations with all political parties.

They also appreciated Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani's directive to serving officers to abstain from taking part in political activities.

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Shambhu · 01-24-2008, 02:26 AM

I don't know about the other arguments the Generals have for asking Mush to go, but I have to register my heartfelt opposition to their argument that Mush "does not represent the symbol of the federation".

Is there any person in the three worlds who represents the "symbol of the federation" better? <!--emo& Tongue

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The very term "Musharraf" has come to stand for the "symbol of the federation".

Can anyone think of a better, or rather, butt-er, "symbol of the federation" than Musharraf?

No. I challenge you, 400% challenge...

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 01-24-2008, 03:59 PM by Bodhi.)

Post 91: Thanks Naresh Ji. Good to know.

Is MF Hussein Shia or Sunni?

Do Shia-Sunni inter-marry at all?

Is there any trend of conversion from one to the other?

I remember reading how thousands of Mugals were first converted after much bloodshed from Pagans to Sunni, during Khilji sultanate of delhi.

What I remember (maybe wrong in parts, please correct):

After Babar, Humayun converted to Shia as a condition to get shelter and support from the Sultan of Persia against the Sunni rivals. Humayun remained Shia, and so did Akbar in his early days. Akbar can be said to have stopped being a muslim during later part of his life, and died religion-less. Jahangir remained Shia. But Shahjahan onwards they went back to being Sunni, though Dara his eldest son became a Sufi. Awrangzeb onwards, they became strict Sunni, with occasional inclination towards Sufi.

**acharya** · 01-24-2008, 09:22 PM

U.S. commander orders plans on Pakistan

By ROBERT BURNS 27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The commander of U.S. forces in Central Asia has launched planning for more extensive use of U.S. troops to train Pakistani armed forces, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

Adm. William J. Fallon, commander of U.S. Central Command, issued a planning order, an internal instruction to lower-level commanders, to propose ideas for a long-term approach to helping Pakistan combat what has become an expanding, homegrown insurgency that threatens the stability of the government.

Fallon's intent is to develop new approaches to help Pakistan, with a time horizon stretching to 2015, the official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the order has not been made public.

A central assumption in the planning is that no such U.S. training contribution would be made without the Pakistani government's prior approval, the official said.

Fallon was in Pakistan this week meeting with senior Pakistani military officials.

In an interview last week during a conference with Middle Eastern defense chiefs in Florida, Fallon said Pakistan is taking a more welcoming view of U.S. suggestions for using American troops to train and advise its own forces in the fight against anti-government extremists.

Fallon said he believes increased violence inside Pakistan in recent months has led Pakistani leaders to conclude that they must focus more intensively on extremist al-Qaida hideouts near the border with Afghanistan.

"They see they've got real problems internally," Fallon said. "My sense is there is an increased willingness to address these problems, and we're going to try to help them." He said U.S. assistance would be "more robust," but he offered few details. "There is more willingness to do that now" on Pakistan's part, he said.

The Bush administration's anxiety about Pakistan's stability has grown in recent months, not only because of its potential implications for U.S. stability efforts in neighboring Afghanistan but also because of worry about the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Wednesday with Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf, the highest-level meeting of U.S. and Pakistan officials since the assassination last month of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto. While Rice praised Musharraf as a steadfast ally and promised continued U.S. support, she pressed him to keep his commitment to democracy and to free and fair elections in February.

At the Pentagon, one of Fallon's subordinate commanders, Army Maj. Gen. David Rodriguez, said the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan is unlikely to stage a spring offensive in the volatile eastern region bordering Pakistan.

Rodriguez, who commands U.S. forces in eastern Afghanistan, told a Pentagon news conference that Taliban and al-Qaida fighters operating from havens in the largely ungoverned tribal areas of western Pakistan appear to have shifted their focus toward targets inside Pakistan rather than across the border in Afghanistan.

"I don't think there'll be a big spring offensive this year," Rodriguez said.

That is partly due to ordinary Afghans' disillusionment with the Taliban movement, he said, and partly because the Taliban and al-Qaida fighters see new opportunities to accelerate instability inside Pakistan. He also said Afghan security forces are becoming more effective partners with U.S. forces.

The Taliban generally has staged stepped-up offensives each spring, when the weather is more favorable for ground movement, although an anticipated offensive last spring did not materialize.

U.S. officials have said in recent days that they do expect a spring offensive in the southern area of Afghanistan, a traditional Taliban stronghold where fighting is most intense. That is one reason Defense Secretary Robert Gates last week approved the deployment of an additional 2,200 Marines to the southern sector, where NATO forces are in command.

In all, there are about 28,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, of whom roughly half are under Rodriguez's command. Rodriguez said he needs no more U.S. troops in his area but looks forward to having two more Afghan National Army brigades, due to begin operating in his sector this spring.

Rodriguez also said he sees no sign that the United States is preparing to send forces into Pakistan without the Pakistan government's approval.

"We're not planning that," he said. "Pakistan is a sovereign government, and we have no plans that I'm involved in or have even heard of to do anything like that."

On Capitol Hill, the House Armed Services Committee heard testimony from retired Army Lt. Gen. David Barno, a former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. The committee chairman, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., opened the session with an expression of concern about trends in Afghanistan.

"I believe that we currently risk a strategic failure in Afghanistan and that we must do what it takes to avoid this disastrous outcome," Skelton said in a prepared statement. "We must re-prioritize and shift needed resources from Iraq to Afghanistan. We must once again make Afghanistan the central focus in the war against terrorism â our national security and Afghanistan's future are at stake."

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Naresh · 01-24-2008, 09:48 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jan 24 2008, 03:40 PM)Post 91: Thanks Naresh Ji.Â Good to know.

1, Is MF Hussein Shia or Sunni?

2. Do Shia-Sunni inter-marry at all?Â

3. Is there any trend of conversion from one to the other?

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Bodhi Ji :

AFAIK :

1. He is a Sulaymani Bohra so should be Shia.

2. Yes.

3. Always tried by both sides.

If you want Detailed Knowledge then I suggest you try the Shia Web Sites.

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ramana · 01-25-2008, 01:12 AM

Bodhi those were Mongols who got converted during the Sultanate preiod. The Mughlas are really Chagtai Turks and not fully Mongols. But since they came from that area they were called Mughals. Babur claimed that he was a descendent of Genghis Khan who was a kafir on his mother side and Timur on his father's side.
It was Akbar who started naming him self the Mughal Badshah which he got from the Persian interlude. The Western travellers/writers started calling him Great Mogul and that stuck.

Naresh · 01-25-2008, 03:48 AM

[center] <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />Musharraf 'beyond political rescue' : US intelligence <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

WASHINGTON: - With President Pervez Musharraf's support declining, U.S. intelligence officials have told agencies in Washington for the first time that the Pakistani leader "may be beyond political rescue or long-term relevance", a major American newspaper reported Thursday.

In a dispatch from Islamabad, The Washington Post cited the statement issued by Ex-Servicemen's Society calling on the president to step down as a sign that he is "increasingly losing support from major constituencies, including his traditional military base, amid growing questions in both Pakistan and the United States about his ability to govern."

At the same time, the newspaper said, "Musharraf has repeatedly defied expectations of his political demise, and few observers believe that the parliamentary balloting Feb. 18 will lead to his immediate ouster.

"But Pakistani analysts and U.S. officials said that the political challenges Musharraf faces are greater than they have been in the past and that his allies at home and abroad are fewer. While he has alienated former military leaders, there are signs that active-duty officers may be distancing themselves from him as well.

"Musharraf's handpicked successor as army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, is unlikely to come to the rescue of his old boss," the Post added, citing analysts said. It noted that Kiyani last week issued an order that no military officers can meet with the president without his approval and indicated that he would recall the many military officers placed in civilian jobs under Musharraf.

"The army would be very happy to get rid of him," said one political analyst, retired general Talat Masood was quotedf as saying by the Post.

It also quoted a a senior U.S. congressional official who recently visited Pakistan said the military is ready for Musharraf to step down but does not want to have to remove him, preferring instead to wait until he recognizes the need to exit.

"Musharraf, meanwhile, has few resources to draw on these days, the dispatch said.

"It's political suicide for anyone to go with Musharraf -- he's totally isolated," Rasul Bakhsh Rais, a political and social scientist at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, was quoted as saying.

"Frustration is growing among Musharraf's military and political allies partly because he is not listening to their advice," the Post said citing U.S. and Pakistani analysts said. "He's locked in his own bubble that 'l'etat, c'est moi' -- the state is me. He doesn't understand how anti-democratic he is. He's not thinking clearly anymore," said the senior congressional official.
The Bush administration is still backing Musharraf, even as officials speak more frequently of working with "the Pakistani people," instead of "the Pakistani leader.

"You're going to get all kinds of people saying he's done for," a senior Bush administration official was quoted as saying. "No one can make that prediction at this point. . . . He's moved into a new job. He will have to work with a new prime minister and they'll have to work out the responsibilities. And they will have to lead in a country without many leaders."

But the divide is increasingly deep in Washington, it said. "U.S. policy is not being made by anyone who understands Pakistan. . . . Musharraf is a walking corpse," the congressional official said.

The Post dispatch from Islamabad said Pakistani analysts agree that, with his popularity plummeting and electoral prospects dwindling, Musharraf is confronted with nothing but hard choices.

"Looking for a way out, Musharraf and his allies are searching for partners to join an interim national unity government that could take office soon and postpone elections for perhaps a year", it said, citing political analysts and the local news media. "In their view, Musharraf could use the delay to rehabilitate his image among Pakistani voters."

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Shambhu · 01-25-2008, 06:46 AM

Heard Imran Khan on NPR. He says West is the only thing that is supporting Mush, and is lobbying to stop that. No more details..

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