[url="http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2601839.ece"]IPS officer blunt on U.P. corruption, branded ââ¬Ëmentally unstable'[/url] : The Hindu, November 6, 2011
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[indent] Quote:A Uttar Pradesh IPS officer who dared to speak out against corruption in his Fire Services department and said some unpleasant things about the government to mediapersons has virtually been declared ââ¬Åmentally unstableââ¬Â on the basis of a report prepared by psychiatrists. DIG Devendra Dutt Mishra, ...
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On Friday, as was the normal practice, Mr. Mishra came to his office at around 11 a.m. and when a file on fire incidents was sent to him, the noting he made created a flutter in the department. The DIG wrote, ââ¬ÅEverything in the Uttar Pradesh government was illegal and corrupt. This is the biggest scam.ââ¬Â He also jotted down remarks on corruption in purchase of fire tenders and other equipment.
Undeterred by a warning from Harishchandra Singh, ADG, Fire Services, the DIG later called some journalists and made public what he wrote on the files. He also alleged that Harminder Raj Singh was murdered. Soon, the building was blocked by police personnel and access barred; the DIG was not allowed to move out.
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Finally around 10 p.m., the DIG was physically removed from his office by policemen, taken down the lift, pushed into his official car and forcibly admitted to the hospital.
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The corrupt are powerful people who can stoop to any extent to subdue the whistle blowers. Fighting corruption is thus a fight that is perhaps even more difficult than the struggle for independence.
[quote name='Capt Manoj Singh' date='06 November 2011 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1320592546' post='113616']
The corrupt are powerful people who can stoop to any extent to subdue the whistle blowers. Fighting corruption is thus a fight that is perhaps even more difficult than the struggle for independence.
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Indian Bureaucracy is most corrupt and difficult to kick them out. These guys had permanent jobs and aligned with Congress elite class. Together they are bankrupting India.
[quote name='Capt Manoj Singh' date='06 November 2011 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1320592546' post='113616']
The corrupt are powerful people who can stoop to any extent to subdue the whistle blowers. Fighting corruption is thus a fight that is perhaps even more difficult than the struggle for independence.
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Very well said, Captain!
Who has made the bureaucracy corrupt? It is the political masters of post independent India. They belong to all political parties and political formations. So Capt Sahab and Ms Savitri , kicking out the present bureaucracy will not resolve the issue of corruption.
Reform has to start from the top that is the highest decision making machinery. Who is in control of this machinery, the politicians who have been elected to the Parliament and to the State legislatures. The ground reality today is that the political masters indulge in various corrupt dealings and in doing so ropes in the members of the bureaucracy in most of the cases. In most of the deals, it is not possible for a politician to receive a monetary benefit or other benefit without much paperwork and without going through the tendering and other procedures.
It is not possible for any political functionary to complete the process single handed. Here comes the role of the members of the bureaucracy , who undertake to do the necessary processing of the case. Once the intention of the decision making authority is known to the officials, they stage manage the entire process accordingly. In the process, the political bosses get their due share and some part comes to the pocket of the concerned officials. If the political decision maker is clean, it is next to impossible for any official to derive financial or other benefits from us of any deal. If one is really thinking of cleaning up the system, his first target should be the politicians, both in power and those in the opposition.a
[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Released-SC-grants-bail-to-five-corporate-honchos/Article1-772815.aspx"] Released: SC grants bail to five corporate honchos[/url] Quote:Supreme Court on Wednesday granted bail to five company executives charged in a multi-billion dollar telecoms licensing scandal that has rocked the government and businesses in Asia's third-largest economy. Sanjay Chandra, the managing director of Telenor's India partner Unitech ; Vinod Goenka, chairman of Etisalat's India partner DB Group; and three executives from billionaire Anil Ambani's group have been held in jail since April, following rejection of their bail pleas in lower courts.
They are among 14 individuals and three companies charged in alleged rigging of a 2007/08 grant of lucrative telecoms licences that a state auditor said cost the government up to $39 billion in revenue.
wow
These are bailable offence and as such the Supreme Court has granted them bail.This is in accordance with the normal legal process. It is now to be seen how seriously the charges against these individuals are pressed by the State prosecuter. If his charges are not supported by legally valid evidence, the case will be thrown out by the Court and all the accused will be set free.The present dispute about the actual revenue loss to the State has already weakened the case. In case, it can be proved that the figures of loss are all notional, nothing much except the harassment of a few individuals will be the ultimate outcome of the case.The problem lies in the fact that a thorough probe may go back to the days when BJP was heading the Ministry. So none of the major political parties will try to make too much noise in the case.Let us wait and see the outcome.
[quote name='Mudy' date='23 November 2011 - 06:52 AM' timestamp='1322030668' post='113831']
[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Released-SC-grants-bail-to-five-corporate-honchos/Article1-772815.aspx"]Released: SC grants bail to five corporate honchos[/url]
wow
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India is Great - so tolerant and passive to hard core criminals!!
[quote name='ravish' date='17 November 2011 - 07:27 AM' timestamp='1321514361' post='113762']
Who has made the bureaucracy corrupt? It is the political masters of post independent India. They belong to all political parties and political formations. So Capt Sahab and Ms Savitri , kicking out the present bureaucracy will not resolve the issue of corruption.
Reform has to start from the top that is the highest decision making machinery. Who is in control of this machinery, the politicians who have been elected to the Parliament and to the State legislatures. The ground reality today is that the political masters indulge in various corrupt dealings and in doing so ropes in the members of the bureaucracy in most of the cases. In most of the deals, it is not possible for a politician to receive a monetary benefit or other benefit without much paperwork and without going through the tendering and other procedures.
It is not possible for any political functionary to complete the process single handed. Here comes the role of the members of the bureaucracy , who undertake to do the necessary processing of the case. Once the intention of the decision making authority is known to the officials, they stage manage the entire process accordingly. In the process, the political bosses get their due share and some part comes to the pocket of the concerned officials. If the political decision maker is clean, it is next to impossible for any official to derive financial or other benefits from us of any deal. If one is really thinking of cleaning up the system, his first target should be the politicians, both in power and those in the opposition.a
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Yes I fully endorse your logic. Cleansing must begin from the top downwards. But the present electoral system is only a flood gate for politicians out to make a quick buck. You know it as well as I do that the majority of the politicians are there to make big money; serving the public or the country is not their motto. So how does one begin the cleansing process. We need an electoral system where in even the poorest of the poor can afford to stand as a candidate and is not dependent on anyone for funding. In the present system, Crores of rupees are spent on election process only to elect greedy and corrupt individuals to public offices.
On 11th December 2011, Anna Hazari held a one day fast in New Delhi as a mark of protest to the alleged watering down of the Lok Pal bill. The whole movement if full of controversial issues. A section of the public is of the view that legislation is the business of Parliament, Another section of the public feels that important policy decisions and draft legislations should be drawn up through agitations and fasts on the streets of Delhi. Yet another section questions the competence of a few individuals to interact with the Government on the whole issue of corruption.
The latest development , all opposition political parties made their presence felt at Anna Hazariââ¬â¢s fast venue , to give an impression that they support the movement of Anna.Many of them full realise that some of the demands of Anna team with regard to certain proposals in the proposed Lok Pal bill are downright impractical to implement. n case all the demands of Anna Team are brought under the ambit of the Lok Pal, a situation will arise then the decision making process will further slow down, giving rise to more red tape and corruption.
For having an effective Lok Pal bill , it is necessary to take into consideration the various aspects of the likely consequences of each and every provision of the Bill. Keeping in view of the enormous task involved , the capacity of the proposed machinery and all other aspects needs to be carefully examined, keeping in mind the ground realities . Agitations and Dharnas cannot work out such intricate issues, it requires careful consideration by a team of top legal and administrative experts.
Since a sizable number of political parties have come out in support of Anna Hazari, it appears now the entire process of drafting an effective Lok Pal bill will become more and more complicated and ultimately a piece of legislation may come out, which may prove to be totally ineffective in removing corruption from public life.
At the All Party Meeting called by the Prime Minister,most of the opposition political parties expressed the view that the Lok Pal Bill should not be rushed through in Parliament. They also strongly supported the stand that Parliament is the institution to decide on the matter and not Anna Hazari and his team. These views reflect the true views of the political parties. It may be recalled that important representatives of these very political parties were present at the one day fast undertaken by Shri Hazari earlier in the weedk to show their solidarity with him. However, there later stand indicates that they also have reservations on the stand taken by Anna Hazari.In the days to come we have to see whether the movement gains any momentum or dies out.
At the outset I should confess that some of my views which are blunt could seem to be totally biased. I have always viewed our Prime Minister with suspicion ever since he used questionable means to survive a vote of confidence on Indo US nuclear deal. UPA was voted back to power despite their friends the leftists withdrawing from the alliance. The business and elite felt that with this new mandate, UPA-II could propel to greater heights of liberal era. Unfortunately,. Dr Singh, who is not an elected member of the house, came to believe that it was his image as a clean man that sailed the Congresss party through with record no of seats inrecent memory. http://www.siliconindia.com/blogs/siuser...+show#cmts
[Capt Sahab,
The intentions of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh or the UPA or NDA are of no particular consequence. The fact of the matter is that all political parties and formations along with a vast majority of the officials are all involved in corruption in varying decree.
The movement that was started by Anna Hazari to route out corruption is indeed a very pressing requirement in present day India. Given the fact that all political formations are involved and many of their top functionaries have assets beyond their know source of income, any forward move will be full of bumps and obstacles.
At the moment a few of the political class, who are not in power at the moment is showing some support to the Anna Hazari movement. However, they are all conscious of the fact that there is a limit up to which they can extend support to the movement. If it is allowed to cross a certain point, a situation may arise when the leaders of the political parties supporting the movement will themselves come under the scanner. It is therefore, quite possible that there will be a gentlemanââ¬â¢s agreement between all the political parties to ensure that the movement started by Anna Hazari is contained within permissible limits.
On the issue of liberalization and free market economy, the Prime Minister has chalked out a certain line of action on the economic front. Unfortunately, due to the compulsions of coalition politics he has not been able to implement many of them and in fact had to roll back some of the measures. Whether the plans put forward by the present government are good or bad and whether they can really bring any significant improvement in the living standard of the common citizen are all debatable . It will be unfair to pass a judgment without giving an opportunity of implementing even some of the measures.
A section of the political leadership cutting across party line cannot agree to many of the reforms that the Prime Minster would like to implement. They are afraid that these measures will disturb the electoral vote bank as well as the traditional sources for election funding. As you must be aware that today elections in India are very expensive to fight , one has to move in helicopters and private aircrafts. The days of moving from village to village in old jeeps purchased from Army dumps is over.
[url="http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/01/09/economics-journal-why-do-indias-political-parties-run-criminal-candidates/?mod=wsj_share_twitter"][size="4"]Economics Journal: Why do Indiaââ¬â¢s Political Parties Run Criminal Candidates?[/size][/url]
[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/RestOfAsia/Indian-bureaucracy-rated-worst-in-Asia/Article1-795543.aspx"] Indian bureaucracy rated worst in Asia[/url]
Quote:The report said India's inefficient bureaucracy was largely responsible for most of the biggest complaints that business executive have about the country.
The complaints included inadequate infrastructure and corruption, where officials were willing to accept under-the-table payments and companies were tempted to pay to overcome bureaucratic inertia and gain government favours, the report claimed.
Why I am not surprised, they are THE WORST Human one can find. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
Babu is now appointed Prime Minister of India, decay starts from top.
In major decision making, the officials have to follow their political masters.Therefore, in blaming the officials no useful purpose will be served. However, it is a fact that the foreign investors or the general public only face the Babu to get services. When prompt service is not provided the blame comes on the Babu in the very first instance.To bring in any improvement it is necessary to clean up the political system first. Once that takes place, the rest will fall in line.
[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/UPA-authoritarian-on-Centre-state-ties-Advani/Article1-800618.aspx"] UPA 'authoritarian' on Centre-state ties: Advani[/url] Quote:"Making states strong does not lead to making the Centre weak. We need a strong Centre, but the Centre cannot become strong unless the states become strong," Advani wrote in his latest blog posting.
He said Jayalalithaa had flagged the issue during a recent meeting of the National Development Council where she maintained that she was not sure whether "the government of India recognises the states as partners, leave alone equal partners, and respects their viewpoint."
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The BJP leader said the "same high-handed and authoritarian approach was also seen when it sought to impose its own version of the Lokpal and Lokayukta Bill on states."
He said this was opposed by BJP, its NDA and also by AIADMK and even key UPA partner Trinamool Congress.
"The moot point is that Congress has learnt no lesson from the past. It still deludes itself by thinking that it alone has the right to govern India," he said, adding, "All those who believe in democracy and healthy Centre-State relations must come together to defeat this arrogant mindset."
[quote name='ravish' date='19 January 2012 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1326995062' post='114253']
In major decision making, the officials have to follow their political masters.Therefore, in blaming the officials no useful purpose will be served. However, it is a fact that the foreign investors or the general public only face the Babu to get services. When prompt service is not provided the blame comes on the Babu in the very first instance.To bring in any improvement it is necessary to clean up the political system first. Once that takes place, the rest will fall in line.
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Well, that is the problem with so called "we follow our political masters". So why to ashamed calling these Babus as lap dogs of Congress Party and its President, when they have no interest for India but their political masters.
Secondly, these babus do double dipping or triple dipping, first get payed by Political masters in favors like promotion, prostitutes, wives/mistress foreign shopping trips, kids visa etc, second dipping when average people look for simple work to be done by Babus for which they are hired, but Babus will expect same favor as they get from political masters from average citizens and third dipping they do when two parties are involved.
[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Rs-125cr-found-in-liquor-baron-Ponty-Chadha-s-Noida-mall/Article1-805303.aspx"]Rs 125cr found in liquor baron Ponty Chadha's Noida mall[/url]
Just can't believe. This is impossible without involvement of Babus and politicians.
[quote name='Mudy' date='22 January 2012 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1327256042' post='114290']
Well, that is the problem with so called "we follow our political masters". [/quote]
Also called [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders"]Superior Orders[/url] or Nuremberg defense.
What else can one expect from babus?
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