05-26-2005, 11:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Would you care to explain what you mean by your assertation that Vaishnavism encourages Bigotism?
The biggest problem you say, also means that Vaishnavism has 'other' problems.. care to elaborate what other problems you have discovered.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hayagriva,
Yes, I can elaborate on other problems with Vaishnavism. It's complete denial of the Non-dual Brahman (Ramaunjacharya's position) or downgrading of it (Gaudiya Vasihnava position) is clearly a problem.
Another problem is the Vaishnava insistence on monotheism. That automatically downgrades followers of Shiva, Kali, Ganapati, Surya etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no 'downgrading' of Shiva and there is no amusement in it. It is just your carelessness when you did not read my previous posts carefully where I have mentioned that Shiva is an avatara or expansion of Narayana and in once sense, non-different from Narayana, but as an expansion to govern the mode of Ignorance, is not the recipient of worship which is due to Narayana, the original personality alone.
Please! Kindly do not pass such judgements too fast and without adequete reasoning unless you want to come accross as an illogical bigoted person yourself!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even in your defence of your position you are downgrading Shiva by claiming that Shiva is an expansion to govern the mode of ignorance. Don't you see that you are being very insulting to followers of Shiva? Followers of Kali are also insulted when Gaudiya Vaishnavas claim that Radha is a very special hladhini Shakti while Kali, Durga are only ordinary shakti. Any incident where Chaitanya is shown to worship Kali is thrown out of the window by the Gaudiya Vaishnavas. For example,
Govindadasa mentions in his Kadaca that Chaitanya went into ecstasy in a temple dedicated
to Kali in Padmakota during his South India tour (c 1510). Of course, Gaudiya Vaishnavas do not accept this eye-witness report!
The biggest problem you say, also means that Vaishnavism has 'other' problems.. care to elaborate what other problems you have discovered.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hayagriva,
Yes, I can elaborate on other problems with Vaishnavism. It's complete denial of the Non-dual Brahman (Ramaunjacharya's position) or downgrading of it (Gaudiya Vasihnava position) is clearly a problem.
Another problem is the Vaishnava insistence on monotheism. That automatically downgrades followers of Shiva, Kali, Ganapati, Surya etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no 'downgrading' of Shiva and there is no amusement in it. It is just your carelessness when you did not read my previous posts carefully where I have mentioned that Shiva is an avatara or expansion of Narayana and in once sense, non-different from Narayana, but as an expansion to govern the mode of Ignorance, is not the recipient of worship which is due to Narayana, the original personality alone.
Please! Kindly do not pass such judgements too fast and without adequete reasoning unless you want to come accross as an illogical bigoted person yourself!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even in your defence of your position you are downgrading Shiva by claiming that Shiva is an expansion to govern the mode of ignorance. Don't you see that you are being very insulting to followers of Shiva? Followers of Kali are also insulted when Gaudiya Vaishnavas claim that Radha is a very special hladhini Shakti while Kali, Durga are only ordinary shakti. Any incident where Chaitanya is shown to worship Kali is thrown out of the window by the Gaudiya Vaishnavas. For example,
Govindadasa mentions in his Kadaca that Chaitanya went into ecstasy in a temple dedicated
to Kali in Padmakota during his South India tour (c 1510). Of course, Gaudiya Vaishnavas do not accept this eye-witness report!