09-04-2005, 01:05 PM
Well I am a gandhian no doubt about that. Definitely I am inspired by that man. Gandhi did mistakes and one among them was being not able to see the true hatred of islam(his focus was different). He was a religious man and a true hindu(in all sense) and that is why could not see that there could be anything per se wrong with islam(his mistake of khilafat movement which fueled islamism further) in the subcontinent(read the book called fatwa by Arun Shourie it will properly enunciate what is exactly wrong with islam in the subcontinent) which fueled the movement of pakistan. Though ironically he did not think that britishers were good. Because gandhi had faced racial discrimination during his young years so his method of thinking and his opposition grew against western imperialism. Every political personality can only create one focus and concentrate on one problem and his concentration was the need of time that is western imperialism, it was evident in all places and huge public support was there to oppose western imperialism. His focus was against imperialism, so i will not say that gandhi was a pacifist, that he was a coward or that he did not know how to fight. He very well knew how to fight was able to create a mass support against british policies which finally drove british empire crazy. He did not have the hindsight of the brutality of islam, as we have today after seeing it for last 60 years. Ambedkar was able to see it very properly even at that time. So it was a mistake which any political leader can do. Gandhi's mistake was that he was not able to see it. I believe that history and political opposition is created only when there is enough support for or against the cause. In gandhi's time the real issue was western imperialism so the leaders of that time had no consciousness regarding the problem that may come in future. You can say it is weakness or a mistake. Leaders of today will be taking decisions based on today's most pressing problems and in the process they maynot learn about other problems and do a mistake or should i say problems that may arise in future. By the time gandhi saw that problem it was way too late and still he did not understand the true nature of the problem. He still thought of it as a british problem(due to his focus) who divided the people of subcontinent. Gandhi was not a god. He was a normal human being who did an extraordinary effort. So I will say that gandhi's method did not fail, because he never opposed islamists(if he would have maybe we would have seen a different result). We should have the capacity to disassociate the method with the person in history(like gandhi used buddha's method of ahimsa in an entirely different context and place). Mandela did it differently and similarly Martin Luther king did it differently and the issues were also different.
Ya i do have my doubts, but one thing i am sure about is that violence is not the answer. It can be something different, but definitely not violence.
He did mistakes when it came to pakistan. Pakistan is a state which cannot reconcile with india until and unless its islamist core is not defeated. It is a clash of idealogy. When it comes to pakistan i am the most hardline person you will ever see. It is a country which has to be brought down if indian security has to be secured(if gandhi did not believe in that then so be it, i admire gandhi and his methods and i dont worship him like god or i am not a gandhian).
And regarding your methods. Well you have your views. Is it practical??? Further my humble words. I dont accept those methods. There are better hindu ways of defeating islamists. I am an enemy of islamists and not normal human beings who follow islam as there faith.
I believe that if a concerted effort and continued campaign is put to expose the brutal nature of islam, it will make the islamists to come out of there holes and start crying islam khatre mein hain and that will be good enough to create enough public opinion against the hatred filled islamic tendencies.
To start with the first thing that should be attacked is triple talaq(a very brutal form of divorce), then polygamy, then matrimonial issues like equal rights. These islamists attack hindus behind the support of such social structure. It is a very unique way of hiding behind normal muslims and fire from there shoulders. Take that support aside and then you will see the islamic structure falling down.
Why do you think institutions like AIMPLB are there in india. They are there to support such brutal islamic methods of living. Institutions like AIMPLB support jihadi madarssas which create enough hatred for generations. If the support structure of institutions like AIMPLB and jama masjid is taken away like matrimonial problem adjudication or patriarchal system then there strength will competely go away and there power to sway the normal people will be diminished.
But if you actually attack normal muslims directly by trying to do shuddi or some kind of economic sanctions against normal muslims. The support to AIMPLB and there claim of islam khatre mein hain will become real. There support will swell and they will become powerful like anything and then there will be a war as simple as that. A war which is not going to do any hindu leave aside india any good. I believe that normal muslims can live a normal indian life. It will take a very long effort and will and can happen. We have some very good examples. Our president, Azim Premji, Sania Mirza, shahrukh khan. They have done india and hindus proud.
The post has become long. I have tried to be more practical in this post, instead of saying vague things. Would like to get response.
Abhishek
Ya i do have my doubts, but one thing i am sure about is that violence is not the answer. It can be something different, but definitely not violence.
He did mistakes when it came to pakistan. Pakistan is a state which cannot reconcile with india until and unless its islamist core is not defeated. It is a clash of idealogy. When it comes to pakistan i am the most hardline person you will ever see. It is a country which has to be brought down if indian security has to be secured(if gandhi did not believe in that then so be it, i admire gandhi and his methods and i dont worship him like god or i am not a gandhian).
And regarding your methods. Well you have your views. Is it practical??? Further my humble words. I dont accept those methods. There are better hindu ways of defeating islamists. I am an enemy of islamists and not normal human beings who follow islam as there faith.
I believe that if a concerted effort and continued campaign is put to expose the brutal nature of islam, it will make the islamists to come out of there holes and start crying islam khatre mein hain and that will be good enough to create enough public opinion against the hatred filled islamic tendencies.
To start with the first thing that should be attacked is triple talaq(a very brutal form of divorce), then polygamy, then matrimonial issues like equal rights. These islamists attack hindus behind the support of such social structure. It is a very unique way of hiding behind normal muslims and fire from there shoulders. Take that support aside and then you will see the islamic structure falling down.
Why do you think institutions like AIMPLB are there in india. They are there to support such brutal islamic methods of living. Institutions like AIMPLB support jihadi madarssas which create enough hatred for generations. If the support structure of institutions like AIMPLB and jama masjid is taken away like matrimonial problem adjudication or patriarchal system then there strength will competely go away and there power to sway the normal people will be diminished.
But if you actually attack normal muslims directly by trying to do shuddi or some kind of economic sanctions against normal muslims. The support to AIMPLB and there claim of islam khatre mein hain will become real. There support will swell and they will become powerful like anything and then there will be a war as simple as that. A war which is not going to do any hindu leave aside india any good. I believe that normal muslims can live a normal indian life. It will take a very long effort and will and can happen. We have some very good examples. Our president, Azim Premji, Sania Mirza, shahrukh khan. They have done india and hindus proud.
The post has become long. I have tried to be more practical in this post, instead of saying vague things. Would like to get response.
Abhishek