11-27-2005, 07:25 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Kaushal+Nov 23 2005, 11:32 PM-->QUOTE(Kaushal @ Nov 23 2005, 11:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I did not pay attention to this before.Ravi Choudhary is an old internet acquaintance with whom i have had my share of skirmishes. A belated welcome to you Ravi.
First there is nothing wrong in having pride in ones tribe or jati. As we rediscover ourselves after years of misinformation, there is bound to be a release of pent up pride. We encourage such threads as Jat History. Pl. do not be judgmental about any group in India. It is all right to state facts but avoid embellishing them with derogatory adjectives (like cowards etc). I have good experiences with Jats and am proud to from the same civilization as they are.Our purpose here is to uncover the truth and some of it might be unpalatable,, but that is OK.
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Dear Kaushal
Thank for for your welcome. May I presume you are Kaushal Vepa who used to post on Indian Civilization.
I am not entirely sure who to take your post- skirmishes? Perhaps you meant Interaction.
A couple of small points for your reflection- and I make the presumption that you are a moderator/founder of the this group.
I agree with you about years of misinformation.
I am not too sure what you intend to imply by the next comment.
Do not be judgmental?
History is necessarily judgmental- read any history book. The British were this, the Muslims, were that, this group was this and so on and so forth. See also any thread on this group itself.
Any History book or account, is a story, with its perspective, shaped , and influenced by the inherent âBiasâ of the author .
This bias, can be conscious or unconscious. It is shaped by oneâs education, oneâs cultural background, the social/religious groups one belongs to, and a result these conditioning and biases, become part of the very fabric of oneself.
This I suggest no one can escape. Ditto for the adjectives, praiseworthy, derogatory or otherwise. All authors pass judgments, how do you prevent them?
What prompted me to post on this site, were some comments on the Saka Kushan thread, and was less than pleased to see.
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....topic=1030
I have posted some information to correct the perspective being put forward. Hopefully it has educated the poster and other readers. That education is part of the objective of the Yahoo JatHistory group. Other parts of the objective are bring out, and archive material related to the history and culture of the Jats. Our attempts are bring out the material unedited.
A lot of this material will express views, that are contrary to Indian ( Hindu and Muslim), and non Indian historians.
There will also be some rhetoric.
This material, I find, being oft contrarian, does not sit well with groups who have a vested interest in the status quo, and as such is going to be at times unpalatable.
That is something we all have to live with.
We try and keep the group more academic in nature, and its members are a cross section of all communities, from all over the world, including many academics. It is not restricted to Jats.
Its purpose is also to encourage interaction with other groups, debate, and eliminate misconceptions, and disinformation
In this ongoing debate, and quest, all who wish are welcome to join the Yahoo Jathistory group, question the information, debate it, criticize it, add to it.
The URL is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/
Best regards
Ravi Chaudhary
First there is nothing wrong in having pride in ones tribe or jati. As we rediscover ourselves after years of misinformation, there is bound to be a release of pent up pride. We encourage such threads as Jat History. Pl. do not be judgmental about any group in India. It is all right to state facts but avoid embellishing them with derogatory adjectives (like cowards etc). I have good experiences with Jats and am proud to from the same civilization as they are.Our purpose here is to uncover the truth and some of it might be unpalatable,, but that is OK.
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Dear Kaushal
Thank for for your welcome. May I presume you are Kaushal Vepa who used to post on Indian Civilization.
I am not entirely sure who to take your post- skirmishes? Perhaps you meant Interaction.
A couple of small points for your reflection- and I make the presumption that you are a moderator/founder of the this group.
I agree with you about years of misinformation.
I am not too sure what you intend to imply by the next comment.
Do not be judgmental?
History is necessarily judgmental- read any history book. The British were this, the Muslims, were that, this group was this and so on and so forth. See also any thread on this group itself.
Any History book or account, is a story, with its perspective, shaped , and influenced by the inherent âBiasâ of the author .
This bias, can be conscious or unconscious. It is shaped by oneâs education, oneâs cultural background, the social/religious groups one belongs to, and a result these conditioning and biases, become part of the very fabric of oneself.
This I suggest no one can escape. Ditto for the adjectives, praiseworthy, derogatory or otherwise. All authors pass judgments, how do you prevent them?
What prompted me to post on this site, were some comments on the Saka Kushan thread, and was less than pleased to see.
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....topic=1030
I have posted some information to correct the perspective being put forward. Hopefully it has educated the poster and other readers. That education is part of the objective of the Yahoo JatHistory group. Other parts of the objective are bring out, and archive material related to the history and culture of the Jats. Our attempts are bring out the material unedited.
A lot of this material will express views, that are contrary to Indian ( Hindu and Muslim), and non Indian historians.
There will also be some rhetoric.
This material, I find, being oft contrarian, does not sit well with groups who have a vested interest in the status quo, and as such is going to be at times unpalatable.
That is something we all have to live with.
We try and keep the group more academic in nature, and its members are a cross section of all communities, from all over the world, including many academics. It is not restricted to Jats.
Its purpose is also to encourage interaction with other groups, debate, and eliminate misconceptions, and disinformation
In this ongoing debate, and quest, all who wish are welcome to join the Yahoo Jathistory group, question the information, debate it, criticize it, add to it.
The URL is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/
Best regards
Ravi Chaudhary