10-28-2005, 08:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Oct 28 2005, 03:53 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Oct 28 2005, 03:53 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The writer Raja is incorrect.
The Khokkars are Jats and spread right through Punjab East and West, Haryana, Rajastan, and UP.
There is a book on Jat history written by Dr. Atal Singh Khokgar. He is the author of " Jaton ki Utpathi evam Vistar", publishedby Jaipal Agencies, 31-A Subhashpuram, Agra 282007, U.P.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why we should trust Dr. Atal Singh version and not Raja? Jats can handle Raja facts in a tea cup.
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Mudy,
You are correct, and this is a good question.
The Jat clan lists, the Gotravalis, state that Khokkar is a Jat Goth (gothra)
Dr. Atal Singh Khokkar is a Hindu Jat. He identifies himself as a jat. He was born in the Patti (subdivision) of Dhankaushiyah, in the village of Chaprauli, District Baghpat, U.P.
on July 25, 1940. His father was Baldev Singh Khokkar.
He was educated in Jain College, Baraut, U.P., and did his PhD in Geography from Meerut University, Meerut (Now Chaudhary Charan Singh University). He was the librarian there
Raja, the poster, does not identify himself as a Jat, but Dr Khokkar is one.
The same poster I think) had written on Wikipedia on the Jat section. He claimed that Khokkars are not Jats.
On Wikipedia, the Jats have posted that Khokkars are Jats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat
See Clan names, under K.
In the Book section I have included the name of Dr Khokkar's book.
In the discussion section:
One gentleman had written:
âKhokkars are not Jat.
To state Khokkars are Jatt is a folly because they are essentially the descendants of the original Sassanids who took refuge in India after being defeated by the Arabs in Persia. They are a generally referred to as a Rajput clan owing to their ruling status on the Kuh-i-Jud regions of Punjab and have allied many times with various other clans such as Janjua in defeating and pushing back the Ghorid armies from their regions. Ghakkar is another variation for Khokkar. Although they are not essentially Chandra, Surya or Agnikula Vansh, they were referred to and given status of Rajput by the priests of their time, this was not a self proclaimed title. This therefore proves the fact that Jatts aren't neccesarily an ethnic group at all. Many fallen royals became Jatt i.e. Bhatti, Chauhans etc. again proving that Jat is a class name for farmers and agriculturists and not an ethnic group of seperating branches as I feel is being implied here. So to say that the Jats were in constant battle with Ghakkars is wrong because they are the same people."
I have posted the following.
âKhokkar/ Kokkar Jats are found all over Northern India.
Ghakkar is a variation of Khokkar.
The Jats themselves do not claim descent from the Sassanids, nor do they claim descent from Rajputs!
Dr Atal Singh Khokkar, a Jat, wrote a book on Jat History. âJaton Ki Utpati evam Vistar". â
All one can do is to point to the information and to the various sources, and allow people like Mr. Raja to digest it, and draw their own conclusions.
To continue, The Khokkars are attested as being the Punjab /Haryana region since quite ancient time. They are linked to the Yaudheyas, and one of the ancient names for modern Rohtak in Haryana, was Khokrakot- Fortress of the Khokkars.
The Yaudheyas, as you are most probably aware, are dated from circa 6th century BCE to 4th/5th century CE
The history of the clan is worth exploring. I will see what material I have, and post something.
Take Care
Ravi
The Khokkars are Jats and spread right through Punjab East and West, Haryana, Rajastan, and UP.
There is a book on Jat history written by Dr. Atal Singh Khokgar. He is the author of " Jaton ki Utpathi evam Vistar", publishedby Jaipal Agencies, 31-A Subhashpuram, Agra 282007, U.P.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why we should trust Dr. Atal Singh version and not Raja? Jats can handle Raja facts in a tea cup.
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<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Mudy,
You are correct, and this is a good question.
The Jat clan lists, the Gotravalis, state that Khokkar is a Jat Goth (gothra)
Dr. Atal Singh Khokkar is a Hindu Jat. He identifies himself as a jat. He was born in the Patti (subdivision) of Dhankaushiyah, in the village of Chaprauli, District Baghpat, U.P.
on July 25, 1940. His father was Baldev Singh Khokkar.
He was educated in Jain College, Baraut, U.P., and did his PhD in Geography from Meerut University, Meerut (Now Chaudhary Charan Singh University). He was the librarian there
Raja, the poster, does not identify himself as a Jat, but Dr Khokkar is one.
The same poster I think) had written on Wikipedia on the Jat section. He claimed that Khokkars are not Jats.
On Wikipedia, the Jats have posted that Khokkars are Jats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat
See Clan names, under K.
In the Book section I have included the name of Dr Khokkar's book.
In the discussion section:
One gentleman had written:
âKhokkars are not Jat.
To state Khokkars are Jatt is a folly because they are essentially the descendants of the original Sassanids who took refuge in India after being defeated by the Arabs in Persia. They are a generally referred to as a Rajput clan owing to their ruling status on the Kuh-i-Jud regions of Punjab and have allied many times with various other clans such as Janjua in defeating and pushing back the Ghorid armies from their regions. Ghakkar is another variation for Khokkar. Although they are not essentially Chandra, Surya or Agnikula Vansh, they were referred to and given status of Rajput by the priests of their time, this was not a self proclaimed title. This therefore proves the fact that Jatts aren't neccesarily an ethnic group at all. Many fallen royals became Jatt i.e. Bhatti, Chauhans etc. again proving that Jat is a class name for farmers and agriculturists and not an ethnic group of seperating branches as I feel is being implied here. So to say that the Jats were in constant battle with Ghakkars is wrong because they are the same people."
I have posted the following.
âKhokkar/ Kokkar Jats are found all over Northern India.
Ghakkar is a variation of Khokkar.
The Jats themselves do not claim descent from the Sassanids, nor do they claim descent from Rajputs!
Dr Atal Singh Khokkar, a Jat, wrote a book on Jat History. âJaton Ki Utpati evam Vistar". â
All one can do is to point to the information and to the various sources, and allow people like Mr. Raja to digest it, and draw their own conclusions.
To continue, The Khokkars are attested as being the Punjab /Haryana region since quite ancient time. They are linked to the Yaudheyas, and one of the ancient names for modern Rohtak in Haryana, was Khokrakot- Fortress of the Khokkars.
The Yaudheyas, as you are most probably aware, are dated from circa 6th century BCE to 4th/5th century CE
The history of the clan is worth exploring. I will see what material I have, and post something.
Take Care
Ravi