10-30-2005, 08:17 AM
Everyone can see that this joker doesn't have facts to prove his foolish claims and he continues to make even more absurd claims. Since he hasn't responded to any of the points raised I'll post them again:
"The question really becomes, why the Jats are treated so denigrated in Indian History textbooks?
Sadly Indian society is a casteist society, and those who wrote our history, as it is taught today, saw it to their advantage to disparage the Jats, not seeing that it is themselves and the larger Indian society that would suffer in the process."
Classic case of a persecution complex...you feel that your community is "denigrated" and you try to uplift it by denigrating other communities.
Those who wrote our history in school text books were leftist historians...they had nothing good to say about any Indian community. So why are you obsessing about Jats alone?
"From Muslim chroniclers, one expects this, as the Jats did not roll over and dies, and gave them no rest.
When Hindu writers R S Sharma, Mahajan, K S Lal etc show an anti Jat bias, for whatever their petty casteist ends, one does experience disappointment."
Are you insane? Muslim chroniclers didn't give a damn about Rajputs, Brahmans, Jats, or other Indian communities...according to them they were all Hindus. To be killed or converted. Rajputs were at the forefront of resisting Muslim invaders and hence their battles are repeatedly mentioned...Jats, being poor farmers, came into prominence at rare moments. And contrary to your claim these moments are indeed mentioned in Muslim chronicles.
Sharma, Mahajan, Lal...what "casteist ends" did they have? And why only against Jats? Don't make foolish claims without providing evidence.
"These places wee not saved because, some priests were singing their chants in the temple! There is not one single instance of any Hindu Rajput Raja, from Rajastan to Kangra or Kashmir, who came to the defence of these sacred places. The Rajput is found instead to be making war on the people of Braj, in league with his Islamic masters at Delhi, not defending it."
You moron, do you think temples were only attacked in "Braj"? Temples were attacked all across India and the local people everywhere defended their holy places. Rajputs, Brahmans, Marathas, Jats, Sikhs, Ahoms, Oriyas, the Kings of Vijaynagar, etc. all defended temples in their area to the best of their ability...something we should ALL be proud of. Instead, you attempt to denigrate other communities.
And do you think Brahman priests only sung chants? THINK AGAIN. Read this story from the Tabakat-i-Akbari describing the Mughal attack on Kangra in 1572:
The fortress of Bhawan, which is an idol temple of Mahmai, and in which none but her servants dwelt, was taken by the valour and resolution of the assailants. A party of Rajputs who had resolved to die, fought most desperately till they were all cut down. A number of Brahmans who for many years had served the temple, never gave one thought to escaping and were all killed.
Now this is bravery! They were priests who were not trained to fight but they resisted without thinking of saving their own lives. And eventually this invasion of Kangra was defeated by the Rajputs and the temple was rebuilt.
You need to open you mind to INDIAN history, not just the history of Jats, if you want to be taken seriously on the INDIA forum. If you obsess about your own community you will end up becoming a bigot. This is exactly what happened to Muslims and overseas Sikhs, who obsessed about their own community and religion, and ended up becoming fanatic terrorists.
Moderators please note, if this person continues to make snide and casteist remarks against other communities, or throws casteist aspersion on historians please send him packing...back to his casteist forum.
To which I may add: this guy is a troublemaker, out to promote his own casteist forum. Don't feed this troll mods...send him out of here.
"The question really becomes, why the Jats are treated so denigrated in Indian History textbooks?
Sadly Indian society is a casteist society, and those who wrote our history, as it is taught today, saw it to their advantage to disparage the Jats, not seeing that it is themselves and the larger Indian society that would suffer in the process."
Classic case of a persecution complex...you feel that your community is "denigrated" and you try to uplift it by denigrating other communities.
Those who wrote our history in school text books were leftist historians...they had nothing good to say about any Indian community. So why are you obsessing about Jats alone?
"From Muslim chroniclers, one expects this, as the Jats did not roll over and dies, and gave them no rest.
When Hindu writers R S Sharma, Mahajan, K S Lal etc show an anti Jat bias, for whatever their petty casteist ends, one does experience disappointment."
Are you insane? Muslim chroniclers didn't give a damn about Rajputs, Brahmans, Jats, or other Indian communities...according to them they were all Hindus. To be killed or converted. Rajputs were at the forefront of resisting Muslim invaders and hence their battles are repeatedly mentioned...Jats, being poor farmers, came into prominence at rare moments. And contrary to your claim these moments are indeed mentioned in Muslim chronicles.
Sharma, Mahajan, Lal...what "casteist ends" did they have? And why only against Jats? Don't make foolish claims without providing evidence.
"These places wee not saved because, some priests were singing their chants in the temple! There is not one single instance of any Hindu Rajput Raja, from Rajastan to Kangra or Kashmir, who came to the defence of these sacred places. The Rajput is found instead to be making war on the people of Braj, in league with his Islamic masters at Delhi, not defending it."
You moron, do you think temples were only attacked in "Braj"? Temples were attacked all across India and the local people everywhere defended their holy places. Rajputs, Brahmans, Marathas, Jats, Sikhs, Ahoms, Oriyas, the Kings of Vijaynagar, etc. all defended temples in their area to the best of their ability...something we should ALL be proud of. Instead, you attempt to denigrate other communities.
And do you think Brahman priests only sung chants? THINK AGAIN. Read this story from the Tabakat-i-Akbari describing the Mughal attack on Kangra in 1572:
The fortress of Bhawan, which is an idol temple of Mahmai, and in which none but her servants dwelt, was taken by the valour and resolution of the assailants. A party of Rajputs who had resolved to die, fought most desperately till they were all cut down. A number of Brahmans who for many years had served the temple, never gave one thought to escaping and were all killed.
Now this is bravery! They were priests who were not trained to fight but they resisted without thinking of saving their own lives. And eventually this invasion of Kangra was defeated by the Rajputs and the temple was rebuilt.
You need to open you mind to INDIAN history, not just the history of Jats, if you want to be taken seriously on the INDIA forum. If you obsess about your own community you will end up becoming a bigot. This is exactly what happened to Muslims and overseas Sikhs, who obsessed about their own community and religion, and ended up becoming fanatic terrorists.
Moderators please note, if this person continues to make snide and casteist remarks against other communities, or throws casteist aspersion on historians please send him packing...back to his casteist forum.
To which I may add: this guy is a troublemaker, out to promote his own casteist forum. Don't feed this troll mods...send him out of here.