12-02-2005, 06:57 AM
Benami, you are too quick to jump the gun.. This debate belongs to Religion forum and not the Bengal History forum. If interested we can take it up there.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SO HOW COME ALL HINDUS SEND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO STUDY AND DONT MARRY THEM OFF AT 14 AND WIDOWS DONT END UP SATI-FIED.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because education for women is integral to Hinduism which exhalts Saraswathi as the Goddess of Learning. The Dharma Shastras, and also the Kamasutra talks about educating women. You can see from Artha Shastra that women were employed in government services and were well educated.
Hindus donât send their girls to be "Sati-fied" (if that's a word) because the Islamic Sword is not as scathing as it used to be. The plundering and slave trade have stopped. Thus Sati (which is not a hindu custom at all, and not found in Manu Smrithi or Artha Shastra) is discarded. Have you ever heard of Sati system in South India? Or in places where Islamic hordes did not venture?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HMM OK. I WAS TALKING ABOUT RAM MOHON ROY.
BUT EVEN THEN, KESAB CHANDRA SEN HAD MORE TO HIM THE HIS MYOPIC LOVE AND INFATUATION FOR CHRISTIANITY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like to know what was more to Keshab Chandra than his love for Xtianity.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND ALSO SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF HINDUISM AS SPECIFIED IN THE VEDAS WERE REVIVED WHILE CRAPPIER PARTS LIKE SUPERSTITION AND IDOL WORSHIP (SOME BLACK STONE IS FOUND IN SOME CORNER - NEXT DAY IT BECOMES A TEMPLE. THAT KIND OF CRAP) WAS WEEDED OUT.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting that you give a certificate of goodness and crappiness for the content of the Vedas. How much Vedic knowledge do you have that we can start a debate on the vedic injunctions. Which Vedas are you quoting in the example of Idol Worships, and what proof do you have that there are superstitions in the Vedas ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND HAVING MET MANY BRAHMOS I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT DAYANAND HAS TO SAY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If meeting alone is a criteria, then perhaps you should meet more Arya Samajis. This would tilt the balance in AryaSamaj's favour. How many Arya Samajis have you met and discussed with so far ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL NEVER FOUND MUCH INTEREST IN ACCEPTING XIANITY AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF INDIA, AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SOCIAL JUSTICE IN BENGAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HIGH EVER SINCE THE BRAHMO SAMAJ, VINDICATES THAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE SAMAJ WAS SUCCESSFUL.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If xtianity had no lure or interest in bengal, then what was the need to adopt an xtian outlook of the "Veds" as you call them?
Give me ONE point, I am not asking you for two or ten, give me ONE valid point that Xtianity or Islam has which is UNIQUE *and* Superior to Sanathana Dharma. Just ONE. (I have asked many ppl this question, including missionaries and Jehova's witnesses, but could not get a proper answer.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUT PRETTY MUCH THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE - COS THE BRAHMO SAMAJ MANAGED TO MAKE HINDUS AWARE OF THE BETTER ASPECTS OF HINDUISM WHILEST ENCOURAGING THEM TO CHUCH THE CORRUPTIONS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Gauranga who prevented the seepage.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HE WAS RIGHT THOUGH. IN A WAY HE DIDNT EVEN SUSPECT.OUT OF INDIA THEORY.
AND YES KESHAB CHANDRA SEN WAS NOT QUITE A BOSE. NOR WERE VERY MANY OTHER INDIANS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that makes him great?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->YES. BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE LOWER CHRISTIANS AND HIGHER.
SLAVERY WAS COS OF SKIN COLOUR DIFFERENCE.
NONE OF THE ABRAHAMIC SOCIETIES ARE DIVIDED BY BIRTH.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps you have not read the bible. Read Deuteronomy and then post your reply.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ITS ONE THING TO POINT OUT THAT LOWER CASTRE CONEVERTS INTO ISLAM AND x-IANITY ARE MISTREATED - AND QUITE ANOTHER TO PROVE THAT THEIR BOOKS SAY THEY SHOULD SEGREGATE.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The joke is on the converts. In Christian mythology, God tells Abraham that he has a covenant only with Abraham and his seed and his slaves that he purchased. No one other than the children of Israel are entitled to Heaven. Jesus too confirms that. I advise you to read the bible.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BESIDES INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THIS SEGREGATION TAKES PLACE AMONGST MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS - SO I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS AN ASPECT THEY LEARNT FROM HINDUS AND DOESNT EXIST IN THEIR RELIGIONS PER SE'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read the Quran - a Manual on Jehad. Understand Islam thru Hadiths.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SO HOW COME ALL HINDUS SEND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO STUDY AND DONT MARRY THEM OFF AT 14 AND WIDOWS DONT END UP SATI-FIED.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because education for women is integral to Hinduism which exhalts Saraswathi as the Goddess of Learning. The Dharma Shastras, and also the Kamasutra talks about educating women. You can see from Artha Shastra that women were employed in government services and were well educated.
Hindus donât send their girls to be "Sati-fied" (if that's a word) because the Islamic Sword is not as scathing as it used to be. The plundering and slave trade have stopped. Thus Sati (which is not a hindu custom at all, and not found in Manu Smrithi or Artha Shastra) is discarded. Have you ever heard of Sati system in South India? Or in places where Islamic hordes did not venture?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HMM OK. I WAS TALKING ABOUT RAM MOHON ROY.
BUT EVEN THEN, KESAB CHANDRA SEN HAD MORE TO HIM THE HIS MYOPIC LOVE AND INFATUATION FOR CHRISTIANITY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like to know what was more to Keshab Chandra than his love for Xtianity.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND ALSO SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF HINDUISM AS SPECIFIED IN THE VEDAS WERE REVIVED WHILE CRAPPIER PARTS LIKE SUPERSTITION AND IDOL WORSHIP (SOME BLACK STONE IS FOUND IN SOME CORNER - NEXT DAY IT BECOMES A TEMPLE. THAT KIND OF CRAP) WAS WEEDED OUT.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting that you give a certificate of goodness and crappiness for the content of the Vedas. How much Vedic knowledge do you have that we can start a debate on the vedic injunctions. Which Vedas are you quoting in the example of Idol Worships, and what proof do you have that there are superstitions in the Vedas ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND HAVING MET MANY BRAHMOS I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT DAYANAND HAS TO SAY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If meeting alone is a criteria, then perhaps you should meet more Arya Samajis. This would tilt the balance in AryaSamaj's favour. How many Arya Samajis have you met and discussed with so far ?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL NEVER FOUND MUCH INTEREST IN ACCEPTING XIANITY AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF INDIA, AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SOCIAL JUSTICE IN BENGAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HIGH EVER SINCE THE BRAHMO SAMAJ, VINDICATES THAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE SAMAJ WAS SUCCESSFUL.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If xtianity had no lure or interest in bengal, then what was the need to adopt an xtian outlook of the "Veds" as you call them?
Give me ONE point, I am not asking you for two or ten, give me ONE valid point that Xtianity or Islam has which is UNIQUE *and* Superior to Sanathana Dharma. Just ONE. (I have asked many ppl this question, including missionaries and Jehova's witnesses, but could not get a proper answer.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUT PRETTY MUCH THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE - COS THE BRAHMO SAMAJ MANAGED TO MAKE HINDUS AWARE OF THE BETTER ASPECTS OF HINDUISM WHILEST ENCOURAGING THEM TO CHUCH THE CORRUPTIONS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Gauranga who prevented the seepage.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HE WAS RIGHT THOUGH. IN A WAY HE DIDNT EVEN SUSPECT.OUT OF INDIA THEORY.
AND YES KESHAB CHANDRA SEN WAS NOT QUITE A BOSE. NOR WERE VERY MANY OTHER INDIANS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that makes him great?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->YES. BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE LOWER CHRISTIANS AND HIGHER.
SLAVERY WAS COS OF SKIN COLOUR DIFFERENCE.
NONE OF THE ABRAHAMIC SOCIETIES ARE DIVIDED BY BIRTH.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps you have not read the bible. Read Deuteronomy and then post your reply.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ITS ONE THING TO POINT OUT THAT LOWER CASTRE CONEVERTS INTO ISLAM AND x-IANITY ARE MISTREATED - AND QUITE ANOTHER TO PROVE THAT THEIR BOOKS SAY THEY SHOULD SEGREGATE.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The joke is on the converts. In Christian mythology, God tells Abraham that he has a covenant only with Abraham and his seed and his slaves that he purchased. No one other than the children of Israel are entitled to Heaven. Jesus too confirms that. I advise you to read the bible.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BESIDES INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THIS SEGREGATION TAKES PLACE AMONGST MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS - SO I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS AN ASPECT THEY LEARNT FROM HINDUS AND DOESNT EXIST IN THEIR RELIGIONS PER SE'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read the Quran - a Manual on Jehad. Understand Islam thru Hadiths.