12-13-2005, 08:03 PM
One final post in response.
Ben Ami, except for neo-nazis, the others aren't racist. Some non-racists still believe in the AIT, it is true, but I am sure that when it is truly disproven (as for some inexplicable reason I feel it will some day not too far off) they will easily let go of it.
Please don't insult them, they don't deserve it - direct your venom on the neo-nazis who do deserve it, if you feel the need to vent.
Many Northern-Europeans today come up for the rights of Jewish people now (a 180 degree turn from Nazism, probably back to their ancestral non-racist spirit), and there are a number of volunteer organisations in Germany and the rest of Europe that help Africans fight missionaries to retain indigenous African religions.
Also, Koenraad Elst in his article "Towards a real Hindu-Christian dialogue" states:
"Thus, in Germany (at least among natives, as opposed to the prolific Muslim immigrants), Buddhism is the fastest growing religion with some 300,000 practitioners."
If Germans were really uncivilised and incapable of noble thoughts and ideas (yes individuals can house these undesirable flaws, but even India has such mistakes of nature, that Vikram is a prime example) would Buddhism really be the religion that would attract many of them? Wouldn't Wahabi Islam or a return to the Inquisition-encouraging Christianity have suited barbarians better?
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Oh no, please let those loonies on nazi websites not turn to Hindu Gods. For goodness sake no! Sunder, that's a really bad idea. Look what happened when that idiot Hitler called his symbol of death by the name of our glorious and good Swastika and took the word Aryan! Let the nazis worship their Christian God or whatever. Our Gods belong to people who aspire to do good to mankind, not to narrow-minded racists who have the potential to cause genocide a la their inspiration Hitler.
Also, our Vedic Gods aren't the Gods of Germanic people, never were (even if part of the AIT might imply some Vedic-sounding Gods for its invented proto-Aryans). It will make no sense for them to worship our intrinsically Hindu Indian Gods. For the Iranians it may make more sense, as they used to believe in Mitra, Varuna and the others before. But not for the Europeans, unless they feel drawn to Hinduism, that is.
(The Indo-European equivalents of Northern European Gods like Thor, Odin, etc. are their own, although it seems they were introduced from Asia, according to Koenraad Elst who quoted an Asatru* publication. Just like three quarters of their language, much of their religion, culture and some of their ancestry is Indo-European originating from 'somewhere' in Asia.)
Our Gods might not be right for them, but on the other hand, they could get something out of Dharma. The entire world could get a lot out of Dharma actually. Vikram might be a lost cause, though, having been born into a religion that gave him access to knowledge of it and it seems to have had no effect on him.
*Asatru is the religion of the Germanic/Norse people.
Also, we shouldn't focus on the evil people (like neo-nazis) by reading their idiot thoughts in their stupid forums and draw our conclusions about entire populations from them. Imagine if people met Vikram and thought he was a Hindu and judged the rest of us accordingly... Oh wait, Witzel and his pals already do that without having met Vikram. Guess Vikram is Witzel's sad imagination turned into unfortunate reality.
Ben Ami, except for neo-nazis, the others aren't racist. Some non-racists still believe in the AIT, it is true, but I am sure that when it is truly disproven (as for some inexplicable reason I feel it will some day not too far off) they will easily let go of it.
Please don't insult them, they don't deserve it - direct your venom on the neo-nazis who do deserve it, if you feel the need to vent.
Many Northern-Europeans today come up for the rights of Jewish people now (a 180 degree turn from Nazism, probably back to their ancestral non-racist spirit), and there are a number of volunteer organisations in Germany and the rest of Europe that help Africans fight missionaries to retain indigenous African religions.
Also, Koenraad Elst in his article "Towards a real Hindu-Christian dialogue" states:
"Thus, in Germany (at least among natives, as opposed to the prolific Muslim immigrants), Buddhism is the fastest growing religion with some 300,000 practitioners."
If Germans were really uncivilised and incapable of noble thoughts and ideas (yes individuals can house these undesirable flaws, but even India has such mistakes of nature, that Vikram is a prime example) would Buddhism really be the religion that would attract many of them? Wouldn't Wahabi Islam or a return to the Inquisition-encouraging Christianity have suited barbarians better?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sunder: If this is indeed the case, what are these people doing to upkeep the "Purity" of their ancestral thought? When are they going to ditch the imposed Semitic thoughts and take pride in their self-claimed Aryan ancestral heritage? Do they have any plans on doing Sandhyavandanam and Agnihotram ? Are they aware of the benevolence Mitra and Varuna? How soon will they be Agni Worshippers? Any discussions on these lines in their so-called forum?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh no, please let those loonies on nazi websites not turn to Hindu Gods. For goodness sake no! Sunder, that's a really bad idea. Look what happened when that idiot Hitler called his symbol of death by the name of our glorious and good Swastika and took the word Aryan! Let the nazis worship their Christian God or whatever. Our Gods belong to people who aspire to do good to mankind, not to narrow-minded racists who have the potential to cause genocide a la their inspiration Hitler.
Also, our Vedic Gods aren't the Gods of Germanic people, never were (even if part of the AIT might imply some Vedic-sounding Gods for its invented proto-Aryans). It will make no sense for them to worship our intrinsically Hindu Indian Gods. For the Iranians it may make more sense, as they used to believe in Mitra, Varuna and the others before. But not for the Europeans, unless they feel drawn to Hinduism, that is.
(The Indo-European equivalents of Northern European Gods like Thor, Odin, etc. are their own, although it seems they were introduced from Asia, according to Koenraad Elst who quoted an Asatru* publication. Just like three quarters of their language, much of their religion, culture and some of their ancestry is Indo-European originating from 'somewhere' in Asia.)
Our Gods might not be right for them, but on the other hand, they could get something out of Dharma. The entire world could get a lot out of Dharma actually. Vikram might be a lost cause, though, having been born into a religion that gave him access to knowledge of it and it seems to have had no effect on him.
*Asatru is the religion of the Germanic/Norse people.
Also, we shouldn't focus on the evil people (like neo-nazis) by reading their idiot thoughts in their stupid forums and draw our conclusions about entire populations from them. Imagine if people met Vikram and thought he was a Hindu and judged the rest of us accordingly... Oh wait, Witzel and his pals already do that without having met Vikram. Guess Vikram is Witzel's sad imagination turned into unfortunate reality.