12-15-2005, 01:14 PM
Ben Ami,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i dont want to interect with someone who <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's entirely your choice, but finish reading this reply first (especially the last section).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->with someone who thinks that the germanics wernt barbarians - though they clearly were - cos they had nothing save barks and skins.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Repeat: civilisation has a different meaning to me. Any people who can live in relative harmony with others is civilised (though I do do comparisons: e.g. Vikings more civilised than Christians). Slavery isn't civilised. Nazism isn't. And neither is a trigger happy finger.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i know they knew numbers from us, and astronomy from us and medicine from greeks and so on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Some of the Greek medicine is from us too. We independently came up with a LOT of maths as well (not just the numbers) - the Arabians got their maths from us. Their chemistry they learnt largely from the Chinese, though we had developed our own chemistry too and some of this passed into Arabia as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you are just utopian. are you marxist by any chance?? you sounded very romilla thaparish, in the last 2 posts after having had all your arguements crucified.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wouldn't be a marxist=communist=terrorist if they paid me by the truckloads for it. Concerning Romila Thapar, I doubt she has any brains. Let alone her being capable of saying anything Hindu.
As for being utopian: we are Hindus, we want to create a better world for all. We're not pacificists. But we don't wage wars until we've exhausted all other opportunities. To do otherwise is adharma.
And what I am? I'm a mother with a very young child. I know others have children too. And I'd like all of us in the world, including all following generations, to survive until we meet a peaceful, natural death. There are enough natural disasters, we don't need to go looking for catastrophies. Defense is fine, but we have to do all according to dharma.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->do you know what homi jahangir bhaba had said to raja ramanna regarding india's effort to get nuclear weapons??
now thats a pragmatic man - homi bhaba. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I've no idea what he said. However, I'm all for India having the nuclear weapons - holding it as a threat so that Pakistan doesn't think of trying anything. However, I do not want us to ever use it, same as most Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i also dont want to interact with anyone who thinks its the duty of hindus to teach those barbarians love and compassion and make them less bloodthirsty. cant they figure anything out on their own??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I am glad you love India=Hinduism so much that you want it to be safe, but channel that into a positive warrior-spirit: I suggest you read Sri Aurobindo to find out what makes a nationalist Kshatriya. See his work "India's Rebirth" at http://voiceofdharma.com/books/ir/IR_frontpage.htm, especially the chapter "Revolutionary Writings" at http://voiceofdharma.com/books/ir/IR_part1.htm
Look for occurrences of "dharma" on this page, in particular the entry for "April 14, 1908" where Sri Aurobindo talks about Europe and the entry for "May 30, 1909" when he speaks of how India will rise - his famous Uttarpara Speech.
You will love reading his stuff and learn at the same time. When you read his work, you will be on your way to becoming a true Hindu Kshatriya: one who is willing to fight for dharma, for truth, for a better world.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i dont want to interect with someone who <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's entirely your choice, but finish reading this reply first (especially the last section).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->with someone who thinks that the germanics wernt barbarians - though they clearly were - cos they had nothing save barks and skins.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Repeat: civilisation has a different meaning to me. Any people who can live in relative harmony with others is civilised (though I do do comparisons: e.g. Vikings more civilised than Christians). Slavery isn't civilised. Nazism isn't. And neither is a trigger happy finger.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i know they knew numbers from us, and astronomy from us and medicine from greeks and so on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Some of the Greek medicine is from us too. We independently came up with a LOT of maths as well (not just the numbers) - the Arabians got their maths from us. Their chemistry they learnt largely from the Chinese, though we had developed our own chemistry too and some of this passed into Arabia as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you are just utopian. are you marxist by any chance?? you sounded very romilla thaparish, in the last 2 posts after having had all your arguements crucified.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wouldn't be a marxist=communist=terrorist if they paid me by the truckloads for it. Concerning Romila Thapar, I doubt she has any brains. Let alone her being capable of saying anything Hindu.
As for being utopian: we are Hindus, we want to create a better world for all. We're not pacificists. But we don't wage wars until we've exhausted all other opportunities. To do otherwise is adharma.
And what I am? I'm a mother with a very young child. I know others have children too. And I'd like all of us in the world, including all following generations, to survive until we meet a peaceful, natural death. There are enough natural disasters, we don't need to go looking for catastrophies. Defense is fine, but we have to do all according to dharma.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->do you know what homi jahangir bhaba had said to raja ramanna regarding india's effort to get nuclear weapons??
now thats a pragmatic man - homi bhaba. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I've no idea what he said. However, I'm all for India having the nuclear weapons - holding it as a threat so that Pakistan doesn't think of trying anything. However, I do not want us to ever use it, same as most Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i also dont want to interact with anyone who thinks its the duty of hindus to teach those barbarians love and compassion and make them less bloodthirsty. cant they figure anything out on their own??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I am glad you love India=Hinduism so much that you want it to be safe, but channel that into a positive warrior-spirit: I suggest you read Sri Aurobindo to find out what makes a nationalist Kshatriya. See his work "India's Rebirth" at http://voiceofdharma.com/books/ir/IR_frontpage.htm, especially the chapter "Revolutionary Writings" at http://voiceofdharma.com/books/ir/IR_part1.htm
Look for occurrences of "dharma" on this page, in particular the entry for "April 14, 1908" where Sri Aurobindo talks about Europe and the entry for "May 30, 1909" when he speaks of how India will rise - his famous Uttarpara Speech.
You will love reading his stuff and learn at the same time. When you read his work, you will be on your way to becoming a true Hindu Kshatriya: one who is willing to fight for dharma, for truth, for a better world.