02-08-2006, 10:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->very few indian states could come up with "effective" resistance to muslims. mostly the frontier states, and states that were lucky enough to have a powerful king when the onslaught came. also the buddhists converted en-masse as your reference proved. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You need to know your history better, to claim that there was no effective resistance is ridiculous, the resistance in Punjab started with the rise of Banda and reached its culmination when Maharaja Ranjit Singh established his far flung empire. The resistance in the South started as soon as Muslims left after their conquest, the Reddy and Nayaka chiefs (Vema Reddy and Prolaya Nayaka) destroyed Muslim power and later the Vijayanagar empire was founded and kept Muslims at bay for almost 200 years and after it fell the Marathas took over the torch and carried it through. In the north there were plenty of rebellions among the Jats which culminated in the establishment of the kingdom of Bharatpur under Maharaja Suraj Mal and in Bundelkhand was born the great Chatrasal Bundela, maybe you can tell us why the sufi Waliullah was writing the following letters to Ahmad Shah Abdali if there was no effective resistance:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Letter to Ahmad Shah Abdali, Ruler of Afghanistan
The presence of the kings of Islam is a great blessing from Allah⦠You should know that the country of Hindustan is a large land. In olden days, the kings of Islam had struggled hard and for long in order to conquer this foreign country. They could do it only in several turnsâ¦18
Every (Muslim) king got mosques erected in his territory, and created madrasas. Muslims of Arabia and Ajam (non-Arab Muslim lands) migrated from their own lands and arrived in these territories. They became agents for the publicity and spread of Islam here. Uptil now their descendants are firm in the ways of Islamâ¦19
Among the non-Muslim communities, one is that of the Marhatah (Maratha). They have a chief. For some time past, this community has been raising its head, and has become influential all over Hindustanâ¦20
â¦It is easy to defeat the Marhatah community, provided the ghãzîs of Islam gird up their loins and show courageâ¦21
In the countryside between Delhi and Agra, the Jat community used to till the land. In the reign of Shahjahan, this community had been ordered not to ride on horses, or keep muskets with them, or build fortresses for themselves. The kings that came later became careless, and this community has used the opportunity for building many forts, and collecting musketsâ¦22
In the reign of Muhammad Shah, the impudence of this community crossed all limits. And Surajmal, the cousin of Churaman, became its leader. He took to rebellion. Therefore, the city of Bayana which was an ancient seat of Islam, and where the Ulama and the Sufis had lived for seven hundred years, has been occupied by force and terror, and Muslims have been turned out of it with humiliation and hurtâ¦23
â¦Whatever influence and prestige is left with the kingship at present, is wielded by the Hindus. For no one except them is there in the ranks of managers and officials. Their houses are full of wealth of all varieties. Muslims live in a state of utter poverty and deprivation. The story is long and cannot be summarised. What I mean to say is that the country of Hindustan has passed under the power of non-Muslims. In this age, except your majesty, there is no other king who is powerful and great, who can defeat the enemies, and who is farsighted and experienced in war. It is your majestyâs bounden duty (farz-i-ain) to invade Hindustan, to destroy the power of the Marhatahs, and to free the down-and-out Muslims from the clutches of non-Muslims. Allah forbid, if the power of the infidels remains in its present position, Muslims will renounce Islam and not even a brief period will pass before Muslims become such a community as will no more know how to distinguish between Islam and non-Islam. This will be a great tragedy. Due to the grace of Allah, no one except your majesty has the capacity for preventing this tragedy from taking place.
We who are the servants of Allah and who recognise the Prophet as our saviour, appeal to you in the name of Allah that you should turn your holy attention to this direction and face the enemies, so that a great merit is added to the roll of your deeds in the house of Allah, and your name is included in the list of mujãhidîn fi Sabîlallah (warriors in the service of Allah). May you acquire plunder beyond measure, and may the Muslims be freed from the stranglehold of the infidels. I seek refuge in Allah when I say that you should not act like Nadir Shah who oppressed and suppressed the Muslims, and went away leaving the Marhatahs and the Jats whole and prosperous.
The enemies have become more powerful after Nadir Shah, the army of Islam has disintegrated, and the empire of Delhi has become childrensâ play. Allah forbid, if the infidels continue as at present, and Muslims get (further) weakened, the very name of Islam will get wiped out.24
â¦When your fearsome army reaches a place where Muslims and non-Muslims live together, your administrators must take particular care. They must be instructed that those weak Muslims who live in the countryside should be taken to towns and cities. Next, some such administrators should be appointed in towns and cities as would see to it that the properties of Muslims are not plundered, and the honour of no Muslim is compromised.25
Â
2. To Najibuddaulah, the Ruhela Ally of Abdali in India
Your solemn letter has reached (me)â¦
At the âhidden levelâ (occult word), the downfall of the Marhatahs and the Jats has been decided. Now, therefore, it is only a matter of time. As soon as the servants of Allah gird up their loins and come out with courage, the magic fortress of falsehood will be shatteredâ¦26
Â
3. To Najibuddaulah
â¦There are three groups in Hindustan which are known for the qualities of fanaticism and zeal. So long as these three are not exterminated, no king can feel secure, nor any noble. The people (read Muslims) also will not be able to live in peace.
Religious as well as worldly interests dictate that soon after winning the war with the Marhatahs, you should turn towards the forts of the Jats, and conquer them with the blessings from the hidden (occult) world. Next is the turn of the Sikhs. This group should also be defeated, while waiting for grace from Allah.
â¦I appeal to you in the name of Allah and his Prophet that you should not cast your eye on the property of any Muslim. If you take care in this regard, there is hope that the doors of victory will be opened to you one after another. But if this caution is ignored, I fear that the wails of the oppressed may become obstacles in the way towards your goal.27
Â
4. To Najibuddaulah
These words are being written in reply to the verbal message sent by you. I have been asked (by you) to tell (you) about suppression of the rebellion of Jats in the environs of Delhi.
The fact is that this recluse (meaning himself) has witnessed in the occult world the downfall of the Jats in the same way as that of the Marhatahs. I have also seen it in a dream that Muslims have taken possession of the forts and the country of the Jats, and that Muslims have become masters of those forts and that country as in the past. Most probably, the Ruhelas will occupy those Jat forts. This has been determined and decided in the most secret world. This recluse has not the shadow of a doubt about that. But the way that victory will be achieved is not yet clear. What is needed is prayers from those special servants of Allah who have been chosen for this purpose.
â¦But keep one thing in your mind, namely, that the Hindus who are apparently in yourâs and your governmentâs employ, are inclined towards the enemies in their hearts. They do not want that the enemies be exterminated. They will try a thousand tricks in this matter, and endeavour in every way to show to your honour that the path of peace is more profitable.
Make up your mind not to listen to this group (the Hindu employees). If you disregard their advice, you will reach the height of fulfilment. This recluse knows of this (fulfilment) as if he is seeing it with his own eyes.28
Â
5. To Shykh Muhammad Ashiq
â¦I have received your weighty letterâ¦
According to whatever this recluse (meaning himself) has learnt (from the occult world), Ahmad Shah Abdali will come again for putting down the enemies. When this sacred promise is fulfilled, he will most probably stay here, and dedicate his life to the last to (the welfare of) this land. In spite of the crimes that abound and the evils that have multiplied, the work is proceeding according to plan. The reason for this most probably is that Allah wants to destroy the power of his enemies.29
Â
6. To Shah Muhammad Ashiq Pahalti
â¦your letter has arrivedâ¦
Safdar Jang had reached such a state (of damnation) that his foot got afflicted with cancer. The more they removed the (affected) flesh from his foot, the worse it became. At last, they were forced to amputate his foot. Finally, he passed away in this piteous condition. It means that Allahâs wrath against the Marhatahs and the Jats has now become manifest, and the defeat and destruction of these people has been decided at the occult level.30
Â
7. To Taj Muhammad Khan Baluch
Your honoured letter regarding suppression of the Jats has arrived. Allah is merciful, and it is hoped that he will crush the enemy. You should rest assured⦠You should forge unity with Musa Khan and other Muslim groups, and put to use this friendship and unity for facing the enemies. I hope for sure that on account of this unity among Muslims and their nobility, victory will be achieved.
The reason for the rise of enemies and the fall of Muslims is nothing except that, led by their lower nature, Muslims have shared their (Muslimsâ) concerns with Hindus. It is obvious that Hindus will not tolerate the suppression of non-Muslims. Being farsighted and practising patience are praiseworthy things, but not to the extent that non-Muslims take possession of Muslim cities, and go on occupying one (such) city every day⦠This is no time for farsightedness and patience. This is the time for putting trust in Allah, for manifesting the might of the sword, and for arousing the Muslim sense of honour. If you will do that, it is possible that winds of favour will start blowing. Whatever this recluse knows is this that war with the Jats is a magic spell which appears fearful at first but which, if you depend fully on the power of Allah and draw His attention towards this (war), will turn out to be no more than a mere show. Let me hope that you will keep me informed of developments and the faring of your armsâ¦31
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/muslimsep/ch6.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See there was no resistance, all this is make believe.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->says who??? the retaliation obviously wasnt big enough to prevent the partition, just as india couldnt do much to prevent pakistan from slipping away, but if you are going to tell me that there was no opposition for the partion of bengal, then i am not buying that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone who has elementary knowledge knows that there was no large scale retaliation during partition in West Bengal, just compare the Muslim population pre partition and post partition in Punjab and Haryana with that of West Bengal and stop making excuses and just accept the fact that there was no large scale retaliation, opposing partition through marches and satyagrahas is not retalitiation, go read what happened to Muslims in East Punjab (that is real retaliation). Again a quote from our Bengali author:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But, precisely because of this ignorance, the question might be asked, why am I talking about the movement of Hindus alone? What about the reciprocal movement of Muslims from West to East Bengal? The simple reason why I am not talking about any such thing is that there was no such thing, no such reciprocal movement. Muslims have not left West Bengal in any number worth mentioning. This fundamental difference between the human migration in Bengal and that in Punjab simply cannot be overstated. In Punjab, after January 1948, no Muslim was left on the Indian side, and no Hindu or Sikh on the Pakistani side â literally. On the other hand, religious violence in the wake of partition in Bengal, unlike in Punjab, has been strictly a one-way affair. In Punjab there was a Patiala massacre (of Muslims) to match a Sheikhupura (of Sikhs and Hindus), but there is no parallel of the Meghna Bridge or Jagannath Hall massacres in West Bengal.
http://bengalvoice.com/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->yes, people of up and bihar have a lot more grievance against the muslims than do bengalis. i think we discussed this long back when i pointed out that the savage attacks that the muslims carried out in up-bihar-rajasthan, was spared to bengal. bengal's main beef was against the english. also at the time of DAD hindu and muslim bengalis were already opposing the english in tandem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hehe so many excuses for cowardice, I guess even Noakhali proved this joint unity against the British, is that why so many Hindus were raped and murdered in here?, always blaming the English man while absolving the Mussalmans of any guilt, this has been a good weapon of Marxists. So do tell us how come even after Noakhali happened and the Englishman packed his bags there was no retaliation to the daily massacres of Hindus in East Bengal, were people still fighting the imaginary Englishman or were they too sacred to do some counter rioting like the Hindus and Sikhs did in Punjab?, so great was this obsession with the Englishman and refusal to face facts as the following quote shows:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The game of badminton was popular in Calcutta at the time. Despite
the news of Noakhali there was no suspension of badminton playing. I
visited two/three clubs and discussed the Noakhali riots with the
members. They said: "Oh well, the British rulers are behind these
riots. There is not much we can do." Despite having witnessed Moslem
riots in Calcutta itself just three months earlier, they were quite
unconcerned about the fate of the Hindus of Noakhali.
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/a...s/noakhali.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So there you go, all the sources do confirm what I said, there was no retaliation against Muslims.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->agreed.
i never tried to come up with fables of bengal's retaliation against muslims.
so may be you could start accepting facts as well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can accept facts unlike you, its a fact that the South made negligible contribution to the freedom movement but its also a fact that most of the South was not under the British rule with the exception of Madras Presidency and some other areas and its a fact that the South produced great resistance to Muslims unlike Bengal under the Vijayanagara Empire and maybe you cna start reading history before shooting your mouth off, I had quoted Sunderlal's report and I am quoting it again, if you don't have counter points then stop talking, here is the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The report, entitled On the Post-Operation Polo Massacres, Rape and Destruction or Seizure of Property in Hyderabad State, makes grim reading. In village after village across the state, it meticulously and unemotionally catalogued incidents of murder and mass rape, sometimes committed by troops, in other cases committed by local Hindu hooligans after the troops had disarmed the Muslim population. A short extract, chosen at random, gives the general flavour:
"Ganjoti Paygah, District Osmanabad:
There are 500 homes belonging to Muslims here. Two hundred Muslims were murdered by the goondas. The army had seized weapons from the Muslims. As the Muslims became defenceless, the goondas began the massacre. Muslim women were raped by the troops. Statement of Pasha Bi, resident of Ganjoti: the trouble in Ganjoti began after the army's arrival. All the young Muslim women here were raped. Five daughters of Osman sahib were raped and six daughters of the Qazi were raped. Ismail Sahib Sawdagar's daughter was raped in Saiba Chamar's home for a week. Soldiers from Umarga came every week and after all-night rape, young Muslim women were sent back to their homes in the morning. Mahtab Tamboli's daughters were divided among Hindus, one is in Burga Julaha's home... "
And so on, for page after page. In all, the report estimates that as many as 200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims were slaughtered in the aftermath of the 'Police Action': an astonishing figure which, if true, would turn the 'police action' into a bloodbath comparable to parts of the Punjab during Partition. Even if one regards the figure of 200,000 dead as an impossible exaggeration, it is still clear that the scale of the killing was horrific. Although publicly Nehru played down the disorder in Hyderabad, claiming to the Indian representative at the United Nations that following the Nizam's officials deserting their posts there had been some disorder in which Hindus had retaliated for their sufferings under the [Muslim] Razakars [militia], privately he was much more alarmed. This is indicated by a note Nehru sent to Sardar Patel's Ministry of States on the 26th of November 1948, saying that he had received reports of killings of Muslims so large in number 'as to stagger the imagination' and looting of Muslim property 'on a tremendous scale' - all of which would seem to confirm the general tone of Pandit Sunderlal's report.
http://www.travelintelligence.com/wsd/ar...t_832.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->so if they didnt have strong missionary traditions, why are the x-ians having a field day?? that was my original question. also apart from the syrian christians of kerela, who came to india loooong back, bengal has had christians and missionaries for somewhat longer and in a more rubust manner than most of india. yet the missionaries never could do much - maybe its time you gave the Brahmo Samaj and ramkrishna-vivekananda combine their due??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I misspelled it, it was supposed to be "Strong anti-missionary traditions", I give credit to Vivekananda not half anglicised idiots who served under Muslims and had no self respect, Swami Dayananda also opposed idolatry and many gods but he had pride and was uncompromising about swarajya and had no illusions about Islam and xtianity.
You need to know your history better, to claim that there was no effective resistance is ridiculous, the resistance in Punjab started with the rise of Banda and reached its culmination when Maharaja Ranjit Singh established his far flung empire. The resistance in the South started as soon as Muslims left after their conquest, the Reddy and Nayaka chiefs (Vema Reddy and Prolaya Nayaka) destroyed Muslim power and later the Vijayanagar empire was founded and kept Muslims at bay for almost 200 years and after it fell the Marathas took over the torch and carried it through. In the north there were plenty of rebellions among the Jats which culminated in the establishment of the kingdom of Bharatpur under Maharaja Suraj Mal and in Bundelkhand was born the great Chatrasal Bundela, maybe you can tell us why the sufi Waliullah was writing the following letters to Ahmad Shah Abdali if there was no effective resistance:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Letter to Ahmad Shah Abdali, Ruler of Afghanistan
The presence of the kings of Islam is a great blessing from Allah⦠You should know that the country of Hindustan is a large land. In olden days, the kings of Islam had struggled hard and for long in order to conquer this foreign country. They could do it only in several turnsâ¦18
Every (Muslim) king got mosques erected in his territory, and created madrasas. Muslims of Arabia and Ajam (non-Arab Muslim lands) migrated from their own lands and arrived in these territories. They became agents for the publicity and spread of Islam here. Uptil now their descendants are firm in the ways of Islamâ¦19
Among the non-Muslim communities, one is that of the Marhatah (Maratha). They have a chief. For some time past, this community has been raising its head, and has become influential all over Hindustanâ¦20
â¦It is easy to defeat the Marhatah community, provided the ghãzîs of Islam gird up their loins and show courageâ¦21
In the countryside between Delhi and Agra, the Jat community used to till the land. In the reign of Shahjahan, this community had been ordered not to ride on horses, or keep muskets with them, or build fortresses for themselves. The kings that came later became careless, and this community has used the opportunity for building many forts, and collecting musketsâ¦22
In the reign of Muhammad Shah, the impudence of this community crossed all limits. And Surajmal, the cousin of Churaman, became its leader. He took to rebellion. Therefore, the city of Bayana which was an ancient seat of Islam, and where the Ulama and the Sufis had lived for seven hundred years, has been occupied by force and terror, and Muslims have been turned out of it with humiliation and hurtâ¦23
â¦Whatever influence and prestige is left with the kingship at present, is wielded by the Hindus. For no one except them is there in the ranks of managers and officials. Their houses are full of wealth of all varieties. Muslims live in a state of utter poverty and deprivation. The story is long and cannot be summarised. What I mean to say is that the country of Hindustan has passed under the power of non-Muslims. In this age, except your majesty, there is no other king who is powerful and great, who can defeat the enemies, and who is farsighted and experienced in war. It is your majestyâs bounden duty (farz-i-ain) to invade Hindustan, to destroy the power of the Marhatahs, and to free the down-and-out Muslims from the clutches of non-Muslims. Allah forbid, if the power of the infidels remains in its present position, Muslims will renounce Islam and not even a brief period will pass before Muslims become such a community as will no more know how to distinguish between Islam and non-Islam. This will be a great tragedy. Due to the grace of Allah, no one except your majesty has the capacity for preventing this tragedy from taking place.
We who are the servants of Allah and who recognise the Prophet as our saviour, appeal to you in the name of Allah that you should turn your holy attention to this direction and face the enemies, so that a great merit is added to the roll of your deeds in the house of Allah, and your name is included in the list of mujãhidîn fi Sabîlallah (warriors in the service of Allah). May you acquire plunder beyond measure, and may the Muslims be freed from the stranglehold of the infidels. I seek refuge in Allah when I say that you should not act like Nadir Shah who oppressed and suppressed the Muslims, and went away leaving the Marhatahs and the Jats whole and prosperous.
The enemies have become more powerful after Nadir Shah, the army of Islam has disintegrated, and the empire of Delhi has become childrensâ play. Allah forbid, if the infidels continue as at present, and Muslims get (further) weakened, the very name of Islam will get wiped out.24
â¦When your fearsome army reaches a place where Muslims and non-Muslims live together, your administrators must take particular care. They must be instructed that those weak Muslims who live in the countryside should be taken to towns and cities. Next, some such administrators should be appointed in towns and cities as would see to it that the properties of Muslims are not plundered, and the honour of no Muslim is compromised.25
Â
2. To Najibuddaulah, the Ruhela Ally of Abdali in India
Your solemn letter has reached (me)â¦
At the âhidden levelâ (occult word), the downfall of the Marhatahs and the Jats has been decided. Now, therefore, it is only a matter of time. As soon as the servants of Allah gird up their loins and come out with courage, the magic fortress of falsehood will be shatteredâ¦26
Â
3. To Najibuddaulah
â¦There are three groups in Hindustan which are known for the qualities of fanaticism and zeal. So long as these three are not exterminated, no king can feel secure, nor any noble. The people (read Muslims) also will not be able to live in peace.
Religious as well as worldly interests dictate that soon after winning the war with the Marhatahs, you should turn towards the forts of the Jats, and conquer them with the blessings from the hidden (occult) world. Next is the turn of the Sikhs. This group should also be defeated, while waiting for grace from Allah.
â¦I appeal to you in the name of Allah and his Prophet that you should not cast your eye on the property of any Muslim. If you take care in this regard, there is hope that the doors of victory will be opened to you one after another. But if this caution is ignored, I fear that the wails of the oppressed may become obstacles in the way towards your goal.27
Â
4. To Najibuddaulah
These words are being written in reply to the verbal message sent by you. I have been asked (by you) to tell (you) about suppression of the rebellion of Jats in the environs of Delhi.
The fact is that this recluse (meaning himself) has witnessed in the occult world the downfall of the Jats in the same way as that of the Marhatahs. I have also seen it in a dream that Muslims have taken possession of the forts and the country of the Jats, and that Muslims have become masters of those forts and that country as in the past. Most probably, the Ruhelas will occupy those Jat forts. This has been determined and decided in the most secret world. This recluse has not the shadow of a doubt about that. But the way that victory will be achieved is not yet clear. What is needed is prayers from those special servants of Allah who have been chosen for this purpose.
â¦But keep one thing in your mind, namely, that the Hindus who are apparently in yourâs and your governmentâs employ, are inclined towards the enemies in their hearts. They do not want that the enemies be exterminated. They will try a thousand tricks in this matter, and endeavour in every way to show to your honour that the path of peace is more profitable.
Make up your mind not to listen to this group (the Hindu employees). If you disregard their advice, you will reach the height of fulfilment. This recluse knows of this (fulfilment) as if he is seeing it with his own eyes.28
Â
5. To Shykh Muhammad Ashiq
â¦I have received your weighty letterâ¦
According to whatever this recluse (meaning himself) has learnt (from the occult world), Ahmad Shah Abdali will come again for putting down the enemies. When this sacred promise is fulfilled, he will most probably stay here, and dedicate his life to the last to (the welfare of) this land. In spite of the crimes that abound and the evils that have multiplied, the work is proceeding according to plan. The reason for this most probably is that Allah wants to destroy the power of his enemies.29
Â
6. To Shah Muhammad Ashiq Pahalti
â¦your letter has arrivedâ¦
Safdar Jang had reached such a state (of damnation) that his foot got afflicted with cancer. The more they removed the (affected) flesh from his foot, the worse it became. At last, they were forced to amputate his foot. Finally, he passed away in this piteous condition. It means that Allahâs wrath against the Marhatahs and the Jats has now become manifest, and the defeat and destruction of these people has been decided at the occult level.30
Â
7. To Taj Muhammad Khan Baluch
Your honoured letter regarding suppression of the Jats has arrived. Allah is merciful, and it is hoped that he will crush the enemy. You should rest assured⦠You should forge unity with Musa Khan and other Muslim groups, and put to use this friendship and unity for facing the enemies. I hope for sure that on account of this unity among Muslims and their nobility, victory will be achieved.
The reason for the rise of enemies and the fall of Muslims is nothing except that, led by their lower nature, Muslims have shared their (Muslimsâ) concerns with Hindus. It is obvious that Hindus will not tolerate the suppression of non-Muslims. Being farsighted and practising patience are praiseworthy things, but not to the extent that non-Muslims take possession of Muslim cities, and go on occupying one (such) city every day⦠This is no time for farsightedness and patience. This is the time for putting trust in Allah, for manifesting the might of the sword, and for arousing the Muslim sense of honour. If you will do that, it is possible that winds of favour will start blowing. Whatever this recluse knows is this that war with the Jats is a magic spell which appears fearful at first but which, if you depend fully on the power of Allah and draw His attention towards this (war), will turn out to be no more than a mere show. Let me hope that you will keep me informed of developments and the faring of your armsâ¦31
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/muslimsep/ch6.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See there was no resistance, all this is make believe.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->says who??? the retaliation obviously wasnt big enough to prevent the partition, just as india couldnt do much to prevent pakistan from slipping away, but if you are going to tell me that there was no opposition for the partion of bengal, then i am not buying that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone who has elementary knowledge knows that there was no large scale retaliation during partition in West Bengal, just compare the Muslim population pre partition and post partition in Punjab and Haryana with that of West Bengal and stop making excuses and just accept the fact that there was no large scale retaliation, opposing partition through marches and satyagrahas is not retalitiation, go read what happened to Muslims in East Punjab (that is real retaliation). Again a quote from our Bengali author:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But, precisely because of this ignorance, the question might be asked, why am I talking about the movement of Hindus alone? What about the reciprocal movement of Muslims from West to East Bengal? The simple reason why I am not talking about any such thing is that there was no such thing, no such reciprocal movement. Muslims have not left West Bengal in any number worth mentioning. This fundamental difference between the human migration in Bengal and that in Punjab simply cannot be overstated. In Punjab, after January 1948, no Muslim was left on the Indian side, and no Hindu or Sikh on the Pakistani side â literally. On the other hand, religious violence in the wake of partition in Bengal, unlike in Punjab, has been strictly a one-way affair. In Punjab there was a Patiala massacre (of Muslims) to match a Sheikhupura (of Sikhs and Hindus), but there is no parallel of the Meghna Bridge or Jagannath Hall massacres in West Bengal.
http://bengalvoice.com/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->yes, people of up and bihar have a lot more grievance against the muslims than do bengalis. i think we discussed this long back when i pointed out that the savage attacks that the muslims carried out in up-bihar-rajasthan, was spared to bengal. bengal's main beef was against the english. also at the time of DAD hindu and muslim bengalis were already opposing the english in tandem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hehe so many excuses for cowardice, I guess even Noakhali proved this joint unity against the British, is that why so many Hindus were raped and murdered in here?, always blaming the English man while absolving the Mussalmans of any guilt, this has been a good weapon of Marxists. So do tell us how come even after Noakhali happened and the Englishman packed his bags there was no retaliation to the daily massacres of Hindus in East Bengal, were people still fighting the imaginary Englishman or were they too sacred to do some counter rioting like the Hindus and Sikhs did in Punjab?, so great was this obsession with the Englishman and refusal to face facts as the following quote shows:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The game of badminton was popular in Calcutta at the time. Despite
the news of Noakhali there was no suspension of badminton playing. I
visited two/three clubs and discussed the Noakhali riots with the
members. They said: "Oh well, the British rulers are behind these
riots. There is not much we can do." Despite having witnessed Moslem
riots in Calcutta itself just three months earlier, they were quite
unconcerned about the fate of the Hindus of Noakhali.
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/a...s/noakhali.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So there you go, all the sources do confirm what I said, there was no retaliation against Muslims.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->agreed.
i never tried to come up with fables of bengal's retaliation against muslims.
so may be you could start accepting facts as well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can accept facts unlike you, its a fact that the South made negligible contribution to the freedom movement but its also a fact that most of the South was not under the British rule with the exception of Madras Presidency and some other areas and its a fact that the South produced great resistance to Muslims unlike Bengal under the Vijayanagara Empire and maybe you cna start reading history before shooting your mouth off, I had quoted Sunderlal's report and I am quoting it again, if you don't have counter points then stop talking, here is the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The report, entitled On the Post-Operation Polo Massacres, Rape and Destruction or Seizure of Property in Hyderabad State, makes grim reading. In village after village across the state, it meticulously and unemotionally catalogued incidents of murder and mass rape, sometimes committed by troops, in other cases committed by local Hindu hooligans after the troops had disarmed the Muslim population. A short extract, chosen at random, gives the general flavour:
"Ganjoti Paygah, District Osmanabad:
There are 500 homes belonging to Muslims here. Two hundred Muslims were murdered by the goondas. The army had seized weapons from the Muslims. As the Muslims became defenceless, the goondas began the massacre. Muslim women were raped by the troops. Statement of Pasha Bi, resident of Ganjoti: the trouble in Ganjoti began after the army's arrival. All the young Muslim women here were raped. Five daughters of Osman sahib were raped and six daughters of the Qazi were raped. Ismail Sahib Sawdagar's daughter was raped in Saiba Chamar's home for a week. Soldiers from Umarga came every week and after all-night rape, young Muslim women were sent back to their homes in the morning. Mahtab Tamboli's daughters were divided among Hindus, one is in Burga Julaha's home... "
And so on, for page after page. In all, the report estimates that as many as 200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims were slaughtered in the aftermath of the 'Police Action': an astonishing figure which, if true, would turn the 'police action' into a bloodbath comparable to parts of the Punjab during Partition. Even if one regards the figure of 200,000 dead as an impossible exaggeration, it is still clear that the scale of the killing was horrific. Although publicly Nehru played down the disorder in Hyderabad, claiming to the Indian representative at the United Nations that following the Nizam's officials deserting their posts there had been some disorder in which Hindus had retaliated for their sufferings under the [Muslim] Razakars [militia], privately he was much more alarmed. This is indicated by a note Nehru sent to Sardar Patel's Ministry of States on the 26th of November 1948, saying that he had received reports of killings of Muslims so large in number 'as to stagger the imagination' and looting of Muslim property 'on a tremendous scale' - all of which would seem to confirm the general tone of Pandit Sunderlal's report.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->so if they didnt have strong missionary traditions, why are the x-ians having a field day?? that was my original question. also apart from the syrian christians of kerela, who came to india loooong back, bengal has had christians and missionaries for somewhat longer and in a more rubust manner than most of india. yet the missionaries never could do much - maybe its time you gave the Brahmo Samaj and ramkrishna-vivekananda combine their due??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I misspelled it, it was supposed to be "Strong anti-missionary traditions", I give credit to Vivekananda not half anglicised idiots who served under Muslims and had no self respect, Swami Dayananda also opposed idolatry and many gods but he had pride and was uncompromising about swarajya and had no illusions about Islam and xtianity.