05-04-2006, 05:55 PM
GS,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. RSS/BJP - Can you point me to a news report wherein RSS/BJP have explicitly called for 'expulsion of BD Muslims' while retaining the BD Hindus? Either in context of state politics or at national level fora? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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http://www.hindubooks.org/dynamic/modules....id=1451&page=13
Excerpts from RSS book "A vision in action"
it was Balasaheb Deoras who was the first to put the problem in a proper perspective. He declared that the Hindus who were streaming into Assam were 'refugees' being hounded out by the Bangladeshi Islamic regime; and Bharat was under a moral obligation to give refuge and protection to them. On the other hand, the Bangladeshi Muslims whose influx into Assam is being engineered by the Bangladeshi regime in pursuance of the decadesold design of converting it into Islamic Assam, are infiltrators'. Balasaheb also warned the Assamese Hindus of the dreadful fate awaiting any part of the country that would be reduced to a Hindu-minority area
The RSS/BJP has consistently called for differential action on muslim vs hindu immigrants
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Muslim growth rate - My first hand information from relatives (Nadia, North 24 paragans distt.) tells me that demograpic changes has much to do with post 90s infiltration.
But you are suggesting is that increase in Muslim percentage may be due to their usual birth rates i.e. without infiltration.
Boss, we should be very carefull about establishing your line, because it leads to the reasoning that infiltration may have minimal or secondary effect on Muslim growth rates.
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I rely on hard data
Per census, muslim growth in 1981-1991 in WB was 37% and this declined to 30% in 1991-2001
What has happened is that while muslim demographic invasion began in 1981, muslims only recently crossed critical mass and this has hence risen to the level to alert local hindus
Let me point out the case of kerala, where muslims breeded from 17% in 1961 to 25% today and heading for 33% by 2030
This is entirely due to differential breeding and the islamisation is faster than in infiltration hit WB or Assam
In Assam and WB, for the 1991-2001 census, the muslim growth rate was 30%
the hindu growth rate was 15%
Of the 30% muslim growth rate, 25% is due to breeding and 5% is due to infiltration
The differential growth rate is 15% of which 2/3 or 10% is due to muslim breeding and 1/3 or 5% is due to muslim infiltration
Yes, per hard census data, in both Assam and West Bengal, muslim growth is primarily internal breeding and immigration is a secondary factor
In the rest of India, muslims have a 20% fertility advantage, in Kerala, Assam and West Bengal muslims have a 50% fertility advantage
Read my demography threads since 2003
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->3. Resettling BD Hindus - Good intention, but a pipe dream. If we could not do a population exchange during partition, chances are non-existant in our times of secularism.
There are other issues as well. Where would you resettle them? WB is too densely polulated. Assam? Hmm, Assamese will rather have Muslims by their sides in preference over Bengalis.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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BD hindus are gradually being ethnic cleansed anyways to India
and why not accelerate the process voluntarily and deislamise residual India
If BD hindus can live in more crowded BD, they can live in less crowded Nadia and Murshidabad
Thanks to secularism we cant expel muslims anymore
we lost that opportunity in 1947
I recommend you watch the movie 'Hey Ram' starring Kamalhassan
while it has a Gandhist ending, about 90% of the movie is good and shows Gandhi fooling bengali hindus
However nothing prevents us from spreading the word to BD hindus to leave ASAP
Regarding Assamese, we need to educate them on what awaits them
And non-Assamese must do more to assimilate
If BD muslims in assam can declare assamese their mother tongue, what prevents bengali hindus in assam from doing same
Bengali hindus need to give up bhadrolok chauvinism regarding people from other states
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. RSS/BJP - Can you point me to a news report wherein RSS/BJP have explicitly called for 'expulsion of BD Muslims' while retaining the BD Hindus? Either in context of state politics or at national level fora? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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http://www.hindubooks.org/dynamic/modules....id=1451&page=13
Excerpts from RSS book "A vision in action"
it was Balasaheb Deoras who was the first to put the problem in a proper perspective. He declared that the Hindus who were streaming into Assam were 'refugees' being hounded out by the Bangladeshi Islamic regime; and Bharat was under a moral obligation to give refuge and protection to them. On the other hand, the Bangladeshi Muslims whose influx into Assam is being engineered by the Bangladeshi regime in pursuance of the decadesold design of converting it into Islamic Assam, are infiltrators'. Balasaheb also warned the Assamese Hindus of the dreadful fate awaiting any part of the country that would be reduced to a Hindu-minority area
The RSS/BJP has consistently called for differential action on muslim vs hindu immigrants
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Muslim growth rate - My first hand information from relatives (Nadia, North 24 paragans distt.) tells me that demograpic changes has much to do with post 90s infiltration.
But you are suggesting is that increase in Muslim percentage may be due to their usual birth rates i.e. without infiltration.
Boss, we should be very carefull about establishing your line, because it leads to the reasoning that infiltration may have minimal or secondary effect on Muslim growth rates.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I rely on hard data
Per census, muslim growth in 1981-1991 in WB was 37% and this declined to 30% in 1991-2001
What has happened is that while muslim demographic invasion began in 1981, muslims only recently crossed critical mass and this has hence risen to the level to alert local hindus
Let me point out the case of kerala, where muslims breeded from 17% in 1961 to 25% today and heading for 33% by 2030
This is entirely due to differential breeding and the islamisation is faster than in infiltration hit WB or Assam
In Assam and WB, for the 1991-2001 census, the muslim growth rate was 30%
the hindu growth rate was 15%
Of the 30% muslim growth rate, 25% is due to breeding and 5% is due to infiltration
The differential growth rate is 15% of which 2/3 or 10% is due to muslim breeding and 1/3 or 5% is due to muslim infiltration
Yes, per hard census data, in both Assam and West Bengal, muslim growth is primarily internal breeding and immigration is a secondary factor
In the rest of India, muslims have a 20% fertility advantage, in Kerala, Assam and West Bengal muslims have a 50% fertility advantage
Read my demography threads since 2003
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->3. Resettling BD Hindus - Good intention, but a pipe dream. If we could not do a population exchange during partition, chances are non-existant in our times of secularism.
There are other issues as well. Where would you resettle them? WB is too densely polulated. Assam? Hmm, Assamese will rather have Muslims by their sides in preference over Bengalis.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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BD hindus are gradually being ethnic cleansed anyways to India
and why not accelerate the process voluntarily and deislamise residual India
If BD hindus can live in more crowded BD, they can live in less crowded Nadia and Murshidabad
Thanks to secularism we cant expel muslims anymore
we lost that opportunity in 1947
I recommend you watch the movie 'Hey Ram' starring Kamalhassan
while it has a Gandhist ending, about 90% of the movie is good and shows Gandhi fooling bengali hindus
However nothing prevents us from spreading the word to BD hindus to leave ASAP
Regarding Assamese, we need to educate them on what awaits them
And non-Assamese must do more to assimilate
If BD muslims in assam can declare assamese their mother tongue, what prevents bengali hindus in assam from doing same
Bengali hindus need to give up bhadrolok chauvinism regarding people from other states