<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When we Indians will give them their right place in history.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->If it were up to me, all the wronged and ignored communities in India would be given their right place. But the communists and their allies are the ones in charge and even when Hindus get into power, the communists & co. decide what goes in our history textbooks. It's better for those Jatts who have been lured into thinking they're Shakas to boycott the communists and other propaganda-pushers, as their own contributions in India's history can't be undone by denial anyway. All that the communist whitewashers can do is to obscure the facts for a while.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are redday and menon call them kashtriya not reddy or menons?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No. They are communities with a high status, but they were only of the kshatriya position for several centuries and probably not all of the people quit their former position even when many changed to Kshatriya. Their community name of Menon and Reddy gives them a longer-standing identification.
Kshatriya is not a surname, though. Yadavas were Kshatriyas but the community itself is named Yadava. Khatri is a later shortened (non-Sanskrit, possibly Punjabi, Hindi or Kashmiri) evolution from the term Kshatriya. It used to be a positional title that evolved into a surname. It's like how Sharma, Shastri, Pandit are used as surnames in the North today. In the South, we did not have a surname or even family name tradition. Back then, the Brahmanas still used to go by the titles Sharma, Shastri, Acharya as well as community names. Not anymore though.
Bhima, Rama etc. were born into the Kshatriya class at their time, but they did not bear a surname or family name called Kshatriya. They used it only to identify their positions (profession).
Likewise Brahmana is not a surname either. In Tamil Nadu for instance, the main kinds of Brahmana are of the Iyer and Iyengar communities. Those are the community names, based on their adherence to Shaivite-Shankaracharya or Vaishnava teachings. However, within these, one can find subprofessions: Sharma, Shastri, Acharya, etc. These are, as stated above, not real surnames. At one point they were hereditary subpositional titles. If your father was a Shastri (scholar on Shastras) then chances were very high you would learn to become one too.
It is known from an edict that the Reddy's who were once of professions of a different Varna became Kshatriyas. A 1345 inscription of Reddy kings states "With the death of the Kshatriyas (by the Muslims - I think the word used to describe the invaders in the edict was Mlecchas), the duty of defending cows and Brahmins fell to Shudras". The Reddys then bravely fought off the Muslims.
The position and duty of "defending cows and brahmins" is a basically a summary statement well understood by Hindus. It is a summary of everything entailed in the duty of defending Hindu Dharma, which of course is far more than defending cows and brahmins that are merely tokens symbolising the whole of what they are defending. And this implied duty is that of the Kshatriya (Kshatriya Dharma). Essentially, what they're saying is, with the death of the Kshatriyas, they realised they need to take up the vacant position and deal with the threat.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Again I would like to know how one get the idea that saka were related to jats .<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's a question for wackypedia, Paki sites and sites of the type of jattworld. They're the ones who first brought it to my attention, until which time, I never heard of Jats being Shakas. All I know is that Scythian referred to Shakas and that they were Iranian-speakers. But because ethnicity was not described in most cases, I always believed Shakas/Scythians to be a collective name for all people occupying the regions around Central Asia sometime prior to and during the Shaka Invasion into India.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are redday and menon call them kashtriya not reddy or menons?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No. They are communities with a high status, but they were only of the kshatriya position for several centuries and probably not all of the people quit their former position even when many changed to Kshatriya. Their community name of Menon and Reddy gives them a longer-standing identification.
Kshatriya is not a surname, though. Yadavas were Kshatriyas but the community itself is named Yadava. Khatri is a later shortened (non-Sanskrit, possibly Punjabi, Hindi or Kashmiri) evolution from the term Kshatriya. It used to be a positional title that evolved into a surname. It's like how Sharma, Shastri, Pandit are used as surnames in the North today. In the South, we did not have a surname or even family name tradition. Back then, the Brahmanas still used to go by the titles Sharma, Shastri, Acharya as well as community names. Not anymore though.
Bhima, Rama etc. were born into the Kshatriya class at their time, but they did not bear a surname or family name called Kshatriya. They used it only to identify their positions (profession).
Likewise Brahmana is not a surname either. In Tamil Nadu for instance, the main kinds of Brahmana are of the Iyer and Iyengar communities. Those are the community names, based on their adherence to Shaivite-Shankaracharya or Vaishnava teachings. However, within these, one can find subprofessions: Sharma, Shastri, Acharya, etc. These are, as stated above, not real surnames. At one point they were hereditary subpositional titles. If your father was a Shastri (scholar on Shastras) then chances were very high you would learn to become one too.
It is known from an edict that the Reddy's who were once of professions of a different Varna became Kshatriyas. A 1345 inscription of Reddy kings states "With the death of the Kshatriyas (by the Muslims - I think the word used to describe the invaders in the edict was Mlecchas), the duty of defending cows and Brahmins fell to Shudras". The Reddys then bravely fought off the Muslims.
The position and duty of "defending cows and brahmins" is a basically a summary statement well understood by Hindus. It is a summary of everything entailed in the duty of defending Hindu Dharma, which of course is far more than defending cows and brahmins that are merely tokens symbolising the whole of what they are defending. And this implied duty is that of the Kshatriya (Kshatriya Dharma). Essentially, what they're saying is, with the death of the Kshatriyas, they realised they need to take up the vacant position and deal with the threat.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Again I would like to know how one get the idea that saka were related to jats .<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's a question for wackypedia, Paki sites and sites of the type of jattworld. They're the ones who first brought it to my attention, until which time, I never heard of Jats being Shakas. All I know is that Scythian referred to Shakas and that they were Iranian-speakers. But because ethnicity was not described in most cases, I always believed Shakas/Scythians to be a collective name for all people occupying the regions around Central Asia sometime prior to and during the Shaka Invasion into India.