05-23-2006, 08:01 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-agnivayu+May 23 2006, 06:57 AM-->QUOTE(agnivayu @ May 23 2006, 06:57 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Two things I don't understand:
1) This whole idea of attacking Brahmins is a Muslim/ British trick to lay blame. Who has been ruling India all this time, and who are the groups with the money ? It sure as heck ain't Brahmins.Â
2)Â What's with the physical superiority attitude ?
I am in far better shape aerobically and in muscle strength compared to many Jats, and I am a vegetarian Hindu.
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Otherwise start a new thread to put your views forward.
Best regards
Ravi Chaudhary
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Agnivayu
Your second point does not rate a response. On the first one:-
You are incorrect in your thinking and you should change it, the sooner the better.
People identify with various groups and take on their identities. In your case you identify yourself with a community known as â Brahminsâ Having done that, then is a natural reaction to take any comment as an attack and victimization.. That is safe and standard way to deflect and then to vitiate any discussion.
There are many goths( gothras) that are common between the âJatsâ and the âBrahminâ community- Kaushik, Bhardwaj , Gaur for starters.. That has nothing to with how society evolved, and where and whence the divisions came in, or how the â Brahminâ community evolved into being one in the first place, when the original start is from Vedic society.
The Jats simply do not accept the varnic heirachy of Orthodox Hinduism. That is all.
Ther is no animosity towards any community from the Jats.
Members of the â Brahmin ; community have been performing religious rituals for them and still do. Members of this community have also fought shoulder to shoulder against the British, and the Islamicists in earlier times.
Rajputs have done the same.
See for example
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
Timur.doc
Timurs defeat by the Jats
Quote:
â The generals chosen from among the heroic maidens were 1) Rampiari Gujar, 2) Hardai Jat, 2) DeviKaur Rajput, 3) Chandro Brahmin, and 4) Ramdai Tyagi. All of them took a vow to lay down their lives in defence of their nation.â
1857warofindependence.doc
1857 First war of Indian Independence
Extract:
Quote: â7.0 THE ATROCITIES OF THE BRITISH ON THE POPULATION AFTER THE REVOLUTION WAS SUPPRESSED.
When the revolution ended, practically every chief of every village, the Mukiya, or Numbardar, was hanged to death.
The roads all around Jhajjar were covered with the stench of decaying corpse of dead persons hung upside down.
7.1 Shyamrdi â hanging of the village leaders
The Numbardars of the Rangars, and 10 Jat Numbardars including one Brahmin, from the village of Shyamrdi (in the Gohana subdivision) were taken to the Market Square in Rohtak. Prior to their hanging the 10 Jat Numbardars were asked by the British dictators- " Speak, what do you want?" The Jats replied, " Release our eleventh companion - Mulka Brahmin". Mulka refused to be parted from his companions. He was hung along with the others [End of quote]
You need to be a member to access the file, but that is only a click away. There are plenty of members , who identify themselves with the â Brahminâ Communityâ in that list.
We should also keep in mind that we do not live in a perfect world.
If you wish to discuss why other perceptions are there, as you see it, then please start a separate thread.
Ravi Chaudhary
1) This whole idea of attacking Brahmins is a Muslim/ British trick to lay blame. Who has been ruling India all this time, and who are the groups with the money ? It sure as heck ain't Brahmins.Â
2)Â What's with the physical superiority attitude ?
I am in far better shape aerobically and in muscle strength compared to many Jats, and I am a vegetarian Hindu.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravi Chaudhary+May 23 2006, 03:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ravi Chaudhary @ May 23 2006, 03:10 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The first step is to keep your posts, professional, and courteous., if you can.
Otherwise start a new thread to put your views forward.
Best regards
Ravi Chaudhary
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Agnivayu
Your second point does not rate a response. On the first one:-
You are incorrect in your thinking and you should change it, the sooner the better.
People identify with various groups and take on their identities. In your case you identify yourself with a community known as â Brahminsâ Having done that, then is a natural reaction to take any comment as an attack and victimization.. That is safe and standard way to deflect and then to vitiate any discussion.
There are many goths( gothras) that are common between the âJatsâ and the âBrahminâ community- Kaushik, Bhardwaj , Gaur for starters.. That has nothing to with how society evolved, and where and whence the divisions came in, or how the â Brahminâ community evolved into being one in the first place, when the original start is from Vedic society.
The Jats simply do not accept the varnic heirachy of Orthodox Hinduism. That is all.
Ther is no animosity towards any community from the Jats.
Members of the â Brahmin ; community have been performing religious rituals for them and still do. Members of this community have also fought shoulder to shoulder against the British, and the Islamicists in earlier times.
Rajputs have done the same.
See for example
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
Timur.doc
Timurs defeat by the Jats
Quote:
â The generals chosen from among the heroic maidens were 1) Rampiari Gujar, 2) Hardai Jat, 2) DeviKaur Rajput, 3) Chandro Brahmin, and 4) Ramdai Tyagi. All of them took a vow to lay down their lives in defence of their nation.â
1857warofindependence.doc
1857 First war of Indian Independence
Extract:
Quote: â7.0 THE ATROCITIES OF THE BRITISH ON THE POPULATION AFTER THE REVOLUTION WAS SUPPRESSED.
When the revolution ended, practically every chief of every village, the Mukiya, or Numbardar, was hanged to death.
The roads all around Jhajjar were covered with the stench of decaying corpse of dead persons hung upside down.
7.1 Shyamrdi â hanging of the village leaders
The Numbardars of the Rangars, and 10 Jat Numbardars including one Brahmin, from the village of Shyamrdi (in the Gohana subdivision) were taken to the Market Square in Rohtak. Prior to their hanging the 10 Jat Numbardars were asked by the British dictators- " Speak, what do you want?" The Jats replied, " Release our eleventh companion - Mulka Brahmin". Mulka refused to be parted from his companions. He was hung along with the others [End of quote]
You need to be a member to access the file, but that is only a click away. There are plenty of members , who identify themselves with the â Brahminâ Communityâ in that list.
We should also keep in mind that we do not live in a perfect world.
If you wish to discuss why other perceptions are there, as you see it, then please start a separate thread.
Ravi Chaudhary