07-04-2006, 09:14 PM
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So, you have no evidence for the 'right of the first night' post you made about upper castes having sex with lower caste brides before sending them off home. Except for a specific dynasty of kings, who may have had sex with brides (for all we know, they may be upper caste brides), you have no evidence at all of anything.
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Don't hold your breath. Much like anti-semitism, anti-brahminism is a disease, a systemic one. Ask for a list of complaints, and you will get a list of contradictory reasons, nay excuses, illogical and irrational. Ask for a real brahminic threat, you will get none, it is all in someone's (we all know who) head.
Irrational thinking, fears etc is common enough in each and everyone (of us), and when anti-brahminism is added in, irrational thinking becomes not only instinctual but systemic. For example, an experienced "social worker" or "social justice crusader" and academics are constantly looking for "evidence" to confirm their fixation, and invariably finds it (ust as a Marxists or social engineers, looking for "proof," and voila!, constantly uncovers events that confirms the whys and hows of Indian/Hindu society works. (Marx's analysis method). It also dovetails nicely or a complement to continuing colonial ways of looking at non-western traditions - negation and debasement, rhetorical strategies, which pave way for "superior culture, race & social reformers" to thwart evil brahmin designs. <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Tarun and any other lurkers, let us start with - if you can cogently put together a list of non contradictory reasons for the hatred, backed of course with evidence and not copy&paste from questionable sources, and no anecdotal experiences or evidences either - they do not make a basis for a sound, open and rational discussion which ought to facilitate bridging the gaps and not deepen them. Let us take the way forward not backward.
So, you have no evidence for the 'right of the first night' post you made about upper castes having sex with lower caste brides before sending them off home. Except for a specific dynasty of kings, who may have had sex with brides (for all we know, they may be upper caste brides), you have no evidence at all of anything.
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Don't hold your breath. Much like anti-semitism, anti-brahminism is a disease, a systemic one. Ask for a list of complaints, and you will get a list of contradictory reasons, nay excuses, illogical and irrational. Ask for a real brahminic threat, you will get none, it is all in someone's (we all know who) head.
Irrational thinking, fears etc is common enough in each and everyone (of us), and when anti-brahminism is added in, irrational thinking becomes not only instinctual but systemic. For example, an experienced "social worker" or "social justice crusader" and academics are constantly looking for "evidence" to confirm their fixation, and invariably finds it (ust as a Marxists or social engineers, looking for "proof," and voila!, constantly uncovers events that confirms the whys and hows of Indian/Hindu society works. (Marx's analysis method). It also dovetails nicely or a complement to continuing colonial ways of looking at non-western traditions - negation and debasement, rhetorical strategies, which pave way for "superior culture, race & social reformers" to thwart evil brahmin designs. <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Tarun and any other lurkers, let us start with - if you can cogently put together a list of non contradictory reasons for the hatred, backed of course with evidence and not copy&paste from questionable sources, and no anecdotal experiences or evidences either - they do not make a basis for a sound, open and rational discussion which ought to facilitate bridging the gaps and not deepen them. Let us take the way forward not backward.