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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->How is that relevant to the situation in India? If the government does not have the means to stop civil strife, what would the West do, bring in the other coalition through revolution?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What makes you think the west wants to end the strife in India, when <b>destabilisation of the Indian subcontinent </b>is what they are after? Why did the US airlift Tban members into Kashmir immediately after the US' recent 'war on terror' in Afghanistan? The media advertised that the US army had 'flushed the terrorists out'. No, they merely helped their old friends the Tban pursue their interests in India.
<b>See: How American Special Forces organised the evacuation of Al Qaeda and Pakistan ISI Forces to Kashmir</b> (article originally from The New Yorker, 2002):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In interviews, however, American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers said that Pakistanis were indeed flown to safety, in a series of nighttime airlifts that were approved by the Bush Administration. The Americans also said that what was supposed to be a limited evacuation apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus.the Administration ordered the United States Central Command to set up a special air corridor to help insure the safety of the Pakistani rescue flights from Kunduz to the northwest corner of Pakistan... [According to] an Indian assessment, thirtythree hundred prisoners surrendered... <b>A few hundred Taliban were also turned over to other tribal leaders... That left between four and five thousand men unaccounted for</b>. "Where are the balance?" ... None of the American intelligence officials I spoke with were able to say with certainty how many Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters were flown to safety, or may have escaped from Kunduz by other means. India, wary of antagonizing the Bush Administration, chose not to denounce the airlift at the time....Diplomatic notes protesting the airlift were sent to Britain and the United States. Neither responded... <b>Indian intelligence was convinced that many of the airlifted fighters would soon be infiltrated into Kashmir.</b> There was a precedent for this... Our reading is that the fighters can go only to Kashmir." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The relevance of mentioning other countries and their situations, is that India's current situation is part of a bigger game too, and it's one that's not played out entirely in India. Our problems (with Islam, Nagaland, communist centres east & south, dead missionaries) are theirs for taking advantage of and they <i>are</i> taking advantage.
Else, even when the so-called war on terror is on, why does the western media only report on the Islamic losses in Godhra? They do have access to reports that showcase the real situation <i>and</i> their journalists know Islam has never played fair in the Indian subcontinent either (just like many journalists knew about the true situation in Serbia yet wrote articles on how Serbia was to blame for many fictional atrocities). They know that much of the media in India is communist-school. But yet the west presents to their readership only the one-sided tale, blown completely out of proportion into a sob-story of an "Evil Hindu genocide of innocent Muslims in Godhra". What the?
Why do you think the west openly supported the current blatant communist take-over of Nepal, <i>knowing</i> that it could well lead to a possible genocide? Even something smaller like the previous attack in Kashmir that got 35 or so killed - it first got reported as a terrorist attack and then quickly got changed to blame the Indian Army. Not all the journalists in the west are as ignorant as they pretend. They are writing their biased stories for a reason.
The goal is to destabilise the region. Their governments want it.
The Islamic terrorists in India and Pak are just doing their own thing (Jihad), but this happens to coincide with what the west wants: further destabilisation. Hence their giving a totally different spin on Godhra, playing down the recent Kashmir attacks, supporting Nepal's downfall (now it will spin into further destabilisation and become a 5th pillar - no longer allied neighbour), constant sympathetic reports on the "much put-upon the poor Christian Nagas kept from independence by evil Hindu-majority India" - forgetting to add how viciously militant these converts are to the unconverted Hindus among them.
I'm waiting to see how this thing in Mumbai turns out. If they can't spin it because the facts are too strong, the western media will drop the news item altogether as soon as possible.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ukraine... Georgia... Kyrgystan... That is the geopolitical game being played to checkmate Russia and oust the former communist bosses.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, that's the plan to keep Russia tight (also helps with the route to the oil). There's a different plan to put pressure on China. And the deal is different again in India, because all our situations are different.
My point in bringing up Eastern-European election interventions was to highlight how much more power the US and other vested interests have in elections than the actual citizens of E-Europe themselves. The US has great leverage with their meddling from a distance.
The lack of general knowledge amongst non-Indians about India's internal affairs (like with Yugoslavia), can also be taken advantage of by the media. The media is the West's way to get their public to assent to any foreign military intervention.
They've already written a few news articles and books skewing the facts on the Ayodhya incident, they've created the notion of a Saffron threat, they've recreated the actual BJP as a new menace. Rinse and repeat. Set up of a supposedly 'fair and indifferent' research group for the region that pretends to investigate the terrorist groups active in 'South Asia' which cleverly includes actual ones from Pakistan and Kashmir, next to adding the RSS and VHP to the list (which have nothing to do with terrorism).
The reason I brought up Yugoslavia was to showcase how the media was used by the US to make the world think the Serbs were these evil people practising systematic rape and creating mass graves of their victims (all of which turned out to be false). With that, the media ensured the US had the backing of American citizens for US intervention in Yugoslavia. And as the articles in the thread I created show, America did not intervene <i>to end</i> the Bosnian war - it merely pretended to do so, all the <i>whilst arming and training</i> the Croatians and Albanian Islamists to massacre the Serbs and keeping the bloodshed going.
The facts were very the opposite to what the US media and its copyists in local newspapers around the world were distributing.
I was actually feeling sorry for the Albanians during the Kosovo war, that's how powerful the media blitz was. Later I found out that the Albanian political leader is a former Nazi from Yugoslavia's Islamic Nazi unit. The media basically murdered Serbia's reputation. And it's going to be incredibly hard to restore it.
And Bosnia is in a sorry state now. There's still barely any stability in the region.
The US has a reason to meddle in India: it has always said that it wants to break up India now that Russia has broken up. If it will serve the purpose, they will also use the media to skew India's predicament.
We're not far off from Yugoslavia's situation. What with Hindus wanting the country to stay one, the Islamics as usual greedy for genociding Hindus, the Christians in the NE wanting to split from India and the possible beginnings of a split being created in the South in Tamil Nadu/Kerala and/or Andhra under YSR.
All these aspects of India put it in a very precarious situation. They are very easy to take advantage of and to manipulate in order to ensure the region is in a constant destabilised state. And that's what the US is doing. Pumping in the Tban rejects into Kashmir to pursue the destabilising agenda of Mughalistan in India was just one small step.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->How is that relevant to the situation in India? If the government does not have the means to stop civil strife, what would the West do, bring in the other coalition through revolution?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What makes you think the west wants to end the strife in India, when <b>destabilisation of the Indian subcontinent </b>is what they are after? Why did the US airlift Tban members into Kashmir immediately after the US' recent 'war on terror' in Afghanistan? The media advertised that the US army had 'flushed the terrorists out'. No, they merely helped their old friends the Tban pursue their interests in India.
<b>See: How American Special Forces organised the evacuation of Al Qaeda and Pakistan ISI Forces to Kashmir</b> (article originally from The New Yorker, 2002):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In interviews, however, American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers said that Pakistanis were indeed flown to safety, in a series of nighttime airlifts that were approved by the Bush Administration. The Americans also said that what was supposed to be a limited evacuation apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus.the Administration ordered the United States Central Command to set up a special air corridor to help insure the safety of the Pakistani rescue flights from Kunduz to the northwest corner of Pakistan... [According to] an Indian assessment, thirtythree hundred prisoners surrendered... <b>A few hundred Taliban were also turned over to other tribal leaders... That left between four and five thousand men unaccounted for</b>. "Where are the balance?" ... None of the American intelligence officials I spoke with were able to say with certainty how many Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters were flown to safety, or may have escaped from Kunduz by other means. India, wary of antagonizing the Bush Administration, chose not to denounce the airlift at the time....Diplomatic notes protesting the airlift were sent to Britain and the United States. Neither responded... <b>Indian intelligence was convinced that many of the airlifted fighters would soon be infiltrated into Kashmir.</b> There was a precedent for this... Our reading is that the fighters can go only to Kashmir." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The relevance of mentioning other countries and their situations, is that India's current situation is part of a bigger game too, and it's one that's not played out entirely in India. Our problems (with Islam, Nagaland, communist centres east & south, dead missionaries) are theirs for taking advantage of and they <i>are</i> taking advantage.
Else, even when the so-called war on terror is on, why does the western media only report on the Islamic losses in Godhra? They do have access to reports that showcase the real situation <i>and</i> their journalists know Islam has never played fair in the Indian subcontinent either (just like many journalists knew about the true situation in Serbia yet wrote articles on how Serbia was to blame for many fictional atrocities). They know that much of the media in India is communist-school. But yet the west presents to their readership only the one-sided tale, blown completely out of proportion into a sob-story of an "Evil Hindu genocide of innocent Muslims in Godhra". What the?
Why do you think the west openly supported the current blatant communist take-over of Nepal, <i>knowing</i> that it could well lead to a possible genocide? Even something smaller like the previous attack in Kashmir that got 35 or so killed - it first got reported as a terrorist attack and then quickly got changed to blame the Indian Army. Not all the journalists in the west are as ignorant as they pretend. They are writing their biased stories for a reason.
The goal is to destabilise the region. Their governments want it.
The Islamic terrorists in India and Pak are just doing their own thing (Jihad), but this happens to coincide with what the west wants: further destabilisation. Hence their giving a totally different spin on Godhra, playing down the recent Kashmir attacks, supporting Nepal's downfall (now it will spin into further destabilisation and become a 5th pillar - no longer allied neighbour), constant sympathetic reports on the "much put-upon the poor Christian Nagas kept from independence by evil Hindu-majority India" - forgetting to add how viciously militant these converts are to the unconverted Hindus among them.
I'm waiting to see how this thing in Mumbai turns out. If they can't spin it because the facts are too strong, the western media will drop the news item altogether as soon as possible.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ukraine... Georgia... Kyrgystan... That is the geopolitical game being played to checkmate Russia and oust the former communist bosses.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, that's the plan to keep Russia tight (also helps with the route to the oil). There's a different plan to put pressure on China. And the deal is different again in India, because all our situations are different.
My point in bringing up Eastern-European election interventions was to highlight how much more power the US and other vested interests have in elections than the actual citizens of E-Europe themselves. The US has great leverage with their meddling from a distance.
The lack of general knowledge amongst non-Indians about India's internal affairs (like with Yugoslavia), can also be taken advantage of by the media. The media is the West's way to get their public to assent to any foreign military intervention.
They've already written a few news articles and books skewing the facts on the Ayodhya incident, they've created the notion of a Saffron threat, they've recreated the actual BJP as a new menace. Rinse and repeat. Set up of a supposedly 'fair and indifferent' research group for the region that pretends to investigate the terrorist groups active in 'South Asia' which cleverly includes actual ones from Pakistan and Kashmir, next to adding the RSS and VHP to the list (which have nothing to do with terrorism).
The reason I brought up Yugoslavia was to showcase how the media was used by the US to make the world think the Serbs were these evil people practising systematic rape and creating mass graves of their victims (all of which turned out to be false). With that, the media ensured the US had the backing of American citizens for US intervention in Yugoslavia. And as the articles in the thread I created show, America did not intervene <i>to end</i> the Bosnian war - it merely pretended to do so, all the <i>whilst arming and training</i> the Croatians and Albanian Islamists to massacre the Serbs and keeping the bloodshed going.
The facts were very the opposite to what the US media and its copyists in local newspapers around the world were distributing.
I was actually feeling sorry for the Albanians during the Kosovo war, that's how powerful the media blitz was. Later I found out that the Albanian political leader is a former Nazi from Yugoslavia's Islamic Nazi unit. The media basically murdered Serbia's reputation. And it's going to be incredibly hard to restore it.
And Bosnia is in a sorry state now. There's still barely any stability in the region.
The US has a reason to meddle in India: it has always said that it wants to break up India now that Russia has broken up. If it will serve the purpose, they will also use the media to skew India's predicament.
We're not far off from Yugoslavia's situation. What with Hindus wanting the country to stay one, the Islamics as usual greedy for genociding Hindus, the Christians in the NE wanting to split from India and the possible beginnings of a split being created in the South in Tamil Nadu/Kerala and/or Andhra under YSR.
All these aspects of India put it in a very precarious situation. They are very easy to take advantage of and to manipulate in order to ensure the region is in a constant destabilised state. And that's what the US is doing. Pumping in the Tban rejects into Kashmir to pursue the destabilising agenda of Mughalistan in India was just one small step.