07-14-2006, 11:56 AM
jayshastri,
Please explain to me why you think Islam will implode. The Sunni-Shia schism has been there since the 7th century, and when the infidels are not present, they do kill each other, but the last 1400 years of Islamic history dosen't present any evidence of an inevitable implosion.
Yes they do put their women in a head to toe tent, but Islamic women consider it an honor to wear burkhas. Do you expect their women to lead a revolt against Islam?
Here is a recent survey that finds that Muslim women don't consider themselves oppressed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world/mi...serland&emc=rss
Muslims women are also firm believers in Islam so they do obey its Suras too. Here's one:
4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
The champions of Muslim women's rights won't find many supporters among Muslim women themselves!
I have already addressed the equivalence argument in a previous post. I believe that my brethren in Punjab, Bihar, UP, Gujarat, and all the other places were justified in killing the Muslims. That didn't make them Jihadis just humans, who wanted to live. Nor did it change the values of Hinduism itself, only that those values did not extend to a population dedicated to eliminate Hindu dharma.
It is Islam of the Quran, and Hadith that commands the Muslims to kill the Hindus. Here are some samples:
3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
8:12
When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
9:5, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each stratagem. But if they repent and establish worship (Allah) and pay the poor-due (zimma), then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Mohammed's life is Islam in action. The biography of Mohammed can be divided into three sections, before Islam, the early days in Mecca when he was weak and therefore concilliatory, and the days of Medina and after which read like a war manual. Mohammed set the example of looting, raping, and pillaging, and Muslims want ot emulate this "perfect human". The Muslim masses are fully aware of Islam, and its history of 1400 years of Jihad, of creating dhimmis, of fake peace offers like the Treaty of Hudaibiyah, and all the other ways Islam subjugated the kafirs. Far from being ignorant of these facts, the Muslim masses cherish them. Many of them do deny Islam's horrors or offer false explainations, but this Taquiyaa too is a gift of Islam.
Mass violence against those who believe in the Islamic ideology is the only way forward, not some tit for tat counter terror where they kill bunch of our people, and we kill a few of them. Terrorism itself is a tactic in the pursuit of Jihad, our goal should not be just elimination of terrorism (which is not possible without eradicaion of Islam), but crippling the Muslim camp strategically.
Please explain to me why you think Islam will implode. The Sunni-Shia schism has been there since the 7th century, and when the infidels are not present, they do kill each other, but the last 1400 years of Islamic history dosen't present any evidence of an inevitable implosion.
Yes they do put their women in a head to toe tent, but Islamic women consider it an honor to wear burkhas. Do you expect their women to lead a revolt against Islam?
Here is a recent survey that finds that Muslim women don't consider themselves oppressed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world/mi...serland&emc=rss
Muslims women are also firm believers in Islam so they do obey its Suras too. Here's one:
4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
The champions of Muslim women's rights won't find many supporters among Muslim women themselves!
I have already addressed the equivalence argument in a previous post. I believe that my brethren in Punjab, Bihar, UP, Gujarat, and all the other places were justified in killing the Muslims. That didn't make them Jihadis just humans, who wanted to live. Nor did it change the values of Hinduism itself, only that those values did not extend to a population dedicated to eliminate Hindu dharma.
It is Islam of the Quran, and Hadith that commands the Muslims to kill the Hindus. Here are some samples:
3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
8:12
When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
9:5, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each stratagem. But if they repent and establish worship (Allah) and pay the poor-due (zimma), then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Mohammed's life is Islam in action. The biography of Mohammed can be divided into three sections, before Islam, the early days in Mecca when he was weak and therefore concilliatory, and the days of Medina and after which read like a war manual. Mohammed set the example of looting, raping, and pillaging, and Muslims want ot emulate this "perfect human". The Muslim masses are fully aware of Islam, and its history of 1400 years of Jihad, of creating dhimmis, of fake peace offers like the Treaty of Hudaibiyah, and all the other ways Islam subjugated the kafirs. Far from being ignorant of these facts, the Muslim masses cherish them. Many of them do deny Islam's horrors or offer false explainations, but this Taquiyaa too is a gift of Islam.
Mass violence against those who believe in the Islamic ideology is the only way forward, not some tit for tat counter terror where they kill bunch of our people, and we kill a few of them. Terrorism itself is a tactic in the pursuit of Jihad, our goal should not be just elimination of terrorism (which is not possible without eradicaion of Islam), but crippling the Muslim camp strategically.