07-14-2006, 04:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You answered your own question. when no infidels are around Muslims don't celebrate and prosper but start fighting among them selves. for 1400 there were always infidels around to fight with. put 5 Muslims of slightly different thinking in a garden of Eden at the end of 7 days none of them would be alive and the garden would have become a desert.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think I did. They do kill each other in secterian riots as in Pakistan, but both of them believe in killing the Hindus, and in the 1400 years they have not imploded. Although they do fight among themselves they are not nihilist. Even the Pakistanis, Saudis, and Iraninans have functioning nations and economies. India is not a garden, and the presence of the hated kafirs, do unite them rather than divide them.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->how do you such people being prosperous. they would live from one battle to another. never stop and grow. Just angry, immoral, intolerant, just kill kill kill. Our job is not be dragged in the muddle with them but isolate them with their kinds. So they may âtake careâ of themselves of us.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But they are relatively prosperous. When there are no infidels to kill and loot, they do manage to work. Sometimes you have to adopt the enemy's tactics to beat them.
And there is no rule, written or unwritten, which says that because we are just and good we will prevail, and because the barbarians are brutal they will lose. Barbarism does triump from time to time, and civilizations do get annihialated.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->That is an unachievable goal. The Germans who were the most powerful at their time could not achieve that with Jews. Even when US and UK promised to turn the blind eye to them. Killing moderate and harmless Muslims who truly wish good for India would cause much more harm then killing the culprits. The solution is to isolate the extremist and not let them influence moderates with their propaganda and skewed view of the world they would eventually die their own death.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It will remain unachievable if we don't try. There is no such thing as a "moderate" and "harmless" Muslim. The only harmless Muslims are ex-muslims. How do you know that they truly wish good for India? They do say it for taquiyaa purposes. I judge them by the ideology they profess. The belief in Islam in its entirety is incumbent upon every Muslim, and Muslims have created no way to seperate themselves from the Jihad of Islam. The so called moderates do share the goals of Islam, and engage in Jihad through dawa, demography, cultural and political jihad, financial and moral support. They may be non-violent, but they are certainly not harmless. The "moderate" ones are following the Meccan strategy. I believe in hitting at the entire Ummah in India, not just the perpetrators of terrorism (a tactic in pursuit of Jihad).
By the way, the skewed view of the world you refer to is the Islam of Quran and Hadith, not the invention of terrorists. Please read the Quran, the Hadiths of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the biography of Mohammed (Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq is a good one and believed as the most orthodox), and also familiarize yourself with the Islamic History. You will find out that those views represent the traditional, mainstream Islam.
I don't think I did. They do kill each other in secterian riots as in Pakistan, but both of them believe in killing the Hindus, and in the 1400 years they have not imploded. Although they do fight among themselves they are not nihilist. Even the Pakistanis, Saudis, and Iraninans have functioning nations and economies. India is not a garden, and the presence of the hated kafirs, do unite them rather than divide them.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->how do you such people being prosperous. they would live from one battle to another. never stop and grow. Just angry, immoral, intolerant, just kill kill kill. Our job is not be dragged in the muddle with them but isolate them with their kinds. So they may âtake careâ of themselves of us.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But they are relatively prosperous. When there are no infidels to kill and loot, they do manage to work. Sometimes you have to adopt the enemy's tactics to beat them.
And there is no rule, written or unwritten, which says that because we are just and good we will prevail, and because the barbarians are brutal they will lose. Barbarism does triump from time to time, and civilizations do get annihialated.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->That is an unachievable goal. The Germans who were the most powerful at their time could not achieve that with Jews. Even when US and UK promised to turn the blind eye to them. Killing moderate and harmless Muslims who truly wish good for India would cause much more harm then killing the culprits. The solution is to isolate the extremist and not let them influence moderates with their propaganda and skewed view of the world they would eventually die their own death.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It will remain unachievable if we don't try. There is no such thing as a "moderate" and "harmless" Muslim. The only harmless Muslims are ex-muslims. How do you know that they truly wish good for India? They do say it for taquiyaa purposes. I judge them by the ideology they profess. The belief in Islam in its entirety is incumbent upon every Muslim, and Muslims have created no way to seperate themselves from the Jihad of Islam. The so called moderates do share the goals of Islam, and engage in Jihad through dawa, demography, cultural and political jihad, financial and moral support. They may be non-violent, but they are certainly not harmless. The "moderate" ones are following the Meccan strategy. I believe in hitting at the entire Ummah in India, not just the perpetrators of terrorism (a tactic in pursuit of Jihad).
By the way, the skewed view of the world you refer to is the Islam of Quran and Hadith, not the invention of terrorists. Please read the Quran, the Hadiths of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the biography of Mohammed (Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq is a good one and believed as the most orthodox), and also familiarize yourself with the Islamic History. You will find out that those views represent the traditional, mainstream Islam.