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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gandhi said that "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English.â
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assuming these quotes are true, I shall take every oppertunity to let the jewish media and watchdog bodies like the ADL know just how anti semitic gandhi was. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Gandhi obviously knew next to nothing about the history of Israel and Palestine. Most people even today don't know because of the Palestinian media blitz. Gandhi had many faults, but anti-semitism was not one of them. To oppose Jewish rights to settle in Israel, out of ignorance of the facts, is not anti-semitism. Not knowing the real situation, made Gandhi think that the Jews were the aggressors, when it is the opposite.
Some facts on Israel:
- a number of Americans and Europeans in the 19th century and before, including Mark Twain, visited the 'holy land' in their times. They all, independently, concluded that it was an utterly deserted land with practically no people living there (most of them saw at most 1 or 2 people).
- Jews moved to Israel, set up a living, infrastructure, business and livelihood, and it attracted people from neighbouring Jordan, etc.
- More Jews moved to Israel after WWII, and even more Jordanians (mainly) came to settle around there. Muslims settled there mainly because initially they saw businesses coming up in what had been a wasteland and wanted to partake in the growing prosperity. Later they started moving to that region in larger numbers, because they didn't want the land that they saw as belonging to Islam (even though it had been long deserted) to go to their arch-enemies, the Jews.
- Palestine is an old word (biblical even) - to people who don't know better, it lends unwarranted legitimacy to the Jordanian and other neighbouring countries' Muslims who started settling in the region formerly known as Palestine. These Muslims then usurped the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinians', and aided in this by Jordan (and the other countries) that unlike the past today refuse to recognise them as their own people and tell them to remain occupying the former-wasteland. Now, the Palestinians don't call themselves Jordanians and insist they've been there forever. But historical reports of the region aren't lying, it's just that the public has been kept unaware of them for various reasons (anti-semitism for one).
- Israel has repeatedly offered those who now call themseles Palestinians their services. Israel's government and the majority of its people have been willing to fund and themselves build hospitals, houses, schools, offices and factories in the slums that Palestinians are living in. I hear the offer still stands. The Palestinians have vehemently refused this offer repeatedly. They don't want it at all - because if their neighbourhoods look like the 'first world', the legitimacy of their supposedly 'oppressed' plight will be greatly diminished in the world's view. No, they want to pretend to the world that their case is so desperate that the populace has to resort to tying their little boys and girls up in bombs and send them into Israeli quarters to suicide themselves.
- Final fact: Israel has allowed many Islamic and Christian Palestinians to live, work and study within Israel.
See also The Jews took no one's land by Joseph Farrah
The 'settlements' issue
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gandhi said that "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English.â
...
assuming these quotes are true, I shall take every oppertunity to let the jewish media and watchdog bodies like the ADL know just how anti semitic gandhi was. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Gandhi obviously knew next to nothing about the history of Israel and Palestine. Most people even today don't know because of the Palestinian media blitz. Gandhi had many faults, but anti-semitism was not one of them. To oppose Jewish rights to settle in Israel, out of ignorance of the facts, is not anti-semitism. Not knowing the real situation, made Gandhi think that the Jews were the aggressors, when it is the opposite.
Some facts on Israel:
- a number of Americans and Europeans in the 19th century and before, including Mark Twain, visited the 'holy land' in their times. They all, independently, concluded that it was an utterly deserted land with practically no people living there (most of them saw at most 1 or 2 people).
- Jews moved to Israel, set up a living, infrastructure, business and livelihood, and it attracted people from neighbouring Jordan, etc.
- More Jews moved to Israel after WWII, and even more Jordanians (mainly) came to settle around there. Muslims settled there mainly because initially they saw businesses coming up in what had been a wasteland and wanted to partake in the growing prosperity. Later they started moving to that region in larger numbers, because they didn't want the land that they saw as belonging to Islam (even though it had been long deserted) to go to their arch-enemies, the Jews.
- Palestine is an old word (biblical even) - to people who don't know better, it lends unwarranted legitimacy to the Jordanian and other neighbouring countries' Muslims who started settling in the region formerly known as Palestine. These Muslims then usurped the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinians', and aided in this by Jordan (and the other countries) that unlike the past today refuse to recognise them as their own people and tell them to remain occupying the former-wasteland. Now, the Palestinians don't call themselves Jordanians and insist they've been there forever. But historical reports of the region aren't lying, it's just that the public has been kept unaware of them for various reasons (anti-semitism for one).
- Israel has repeatedly offered those who now call themseles Palestinians their services. Israel's government and the majority of its people have been willing to fund and themselves build hospitals, houses, schools, offices and factories in the slums that Palestinians are living in. I hear the offer still stands. The Palestinians have vehemently refused this offer repeatedly. They don't want it at all - because if their neighbourhoods look like the 'first world', the legitimacy of their supposedly 'oppressed' plight will be greatly diminished in the world's view. No, they want to pretend to the world that their case is so desperate that the populace has to resort to tying their little boys and girls up in bombs and send them into Israeli quarters to suicide themselves.
- Final fact: Israel has allowed many Islamic and Christian Palestinians to live, work and study within Israel.
See also The Jews took no one's land by Joseph Farrah
The 'settlements' issue