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Post 45 (Romani):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->They show a limited tolerance for some mistery cults like Isis cult .Romans sack, destroy and desacrate celtic,decanian and phoenician temples. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I suggest you investigate Roman history just a little bit deeper, beyond the Christo propaganda that states "Rome was not tolerant either". You will see why this most pluralistic nation banned certain religious 'cults'.
- The Romans did not like to see excessive sexual behaviour in public, self-flaggellation, etc. (Contrary to the Christian projection of Romans, the Romans had some quite strict social behaviour codes and were less promiscuous than BBC series like 'Rome' would have you believe. Yes, some were a bit over the top, but Roman society in general was not at all as mad as portrayed. Even the escapades of certain Roman emperors cannot compare to the quantity and excess of Byzantine Empresses - who of course were all Christians.)
It was because of Roman aversion to extreme behaviour in public, that several sub-expressions of overall religions were banned. Even so, the Romans allowed these far more license than governments would do today. Isis was in fact allowed as one of the national Roman Gods (in the general sense of this term, which includes Goddesses) for a very long time and not all sub-religions of this deity were ever banned. Rome merely prohibited some variations of this, as well as of certain Dionysus sub-cults that were considered too extreme to the Roman sense of decency.
- When the Romans tried to take over the Gauls, the Celts of mainland Europe, they used political reasoning to ban Celtic religion as well (the Gauls derived much of their impetus for resistance from their religions, like nationalist Indians got theirs from Hinduism to gain independence). This is not an excuse of Rome's dealings in this case, but I fail to see where there's a lack of pluralism implied in Rome's behaviour here.
Judaism was restricted because Jerusalem was taken up by the Roman Empire. And Judaism constantly created revolutionaries: men who thought they were the Messiah sent to free their nation from Rome's stranglehold. Therefore, Rome intervened. It would brook no opposition when its Empire was questioned or opposed.
- Romans despised Christianity for a myriad of reasons. Christians, even when they were a tiny population, were known to be intolerant of any Roman traditional religions. Christians burnt down, demolished or otherwise destroyed, a lot of Roman shrines even before Constantine's time (and I'm not talking about the fires during Nero's time here). The Roman Emperors also knew that Christians were traitors: they merely suspected them initially (Christians congregating secretly), but it turned out to be fact. When Rome was still heathen, Christians hated their own nation and wanted to work with Rome's enemies to bring it down, even to the extent of trying to create connections with Persia. Persia of course saw right through Christianity too.
Emperor Aurelius, and later on, Julian too, were of the opinion that Christianity was destroying, and finally destroyed, the Roman civilisation. History has proved them right.

The above is not my opinion, it is based on books I've read.


Post 44 (Vishwas):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Natural religions<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, I do mean religions of nature, but I also mean to refer to religions that evolved over millennia, if not tens of thousands of years. Like human evolution, there is also evolution of thought and spiritual beliefs. Natural religions are those that have naturally evolved amongst communities since ancient times. These religions <i>all, and without exception,</i> tend to understand the basic principles of how to maintain harmony - merely because they've had centuries to learn the price of disharmony. For this reason, such religions gave rise to stable societies, ones which actually deserve to be called 'civilisations'. This includes native North American culture, and most native South American cultures too, as well as old African religious traditions. Of course, there can be upstart movements within these (like some Aztec practises and the twist Genghis Khan gave to Shamanism), but these anomalies happen. Call them undesirable cultural mutations.

Unnatural religions just start up as someone's 'bright idea' and then wreak havoc, destroying the societies built up over millennia by natural religions (actually, natural ways of life). There are none to match ChristoIslamism as prime examples of such destructive behaviour.
The indigenous and ancient traditions of Greece, Rome, Eastern-Europe, Northern-Europe, N and S America were destroyed by Christianity. And Islam destroyed (or attempted to destroy) the natural traditions of the Middle East, West to South to SE Asia, Central Asia Mongolia to S China. A record indeed, but not one worth admiring in the annals of human and cultural evolution.

Post 50 (Prem): <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There was no religious tag to them as they are universal.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, they are universal in the true sense of the word, but there is a problem with using this term very often. When someone says Yoga is not Hindu, that it is universal - ChristoIslamists and p-secs take that to mean that it is as much theirs as it is Hindu. No it's not.
RKP was very much experiencing Parabrahmam through Hindu means and from the Hindu perspective. There are overlaps between all natural religions, but there are also differences in means and methods. Taoism also has 'rishi' concepts, but it also projects some different paths for understanding and realising Tao than Hinduism does. Many similarities, many differences.
Therefore it is right to say that RKP was practising Hinduism.

"Sarva Dharma Samabhava" does not mean all 'religions' are equal, but that all paths which lead to the same ultimate truth are equal. Hence, Taoism and North American native American traditions, take one to the same truths as Hinduism does. ChristoIslamism <i>does not</i> (unless a Christian or Muslim did so by accident: because he was not really practising ChristoIslamism, but did his own thing instead).

Post 215 (Agnivayu): <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->but I would say he [the scary, vengeful Bible-god] is still better than Allah<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Allah was one of the ancient Arabian deities of the heathen Arabians. Of course, we're not speaking ill of <i>that</i> Allah (the real one) who did not consider himself the only deity or better than all others. Since the real Allah has for the most part ceased to be recognised in the world, and only his name remains - which is now applied to Mohammed's new creation - nothing bad said about the latter will attach itself to the original.
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