08-29-2006, 11:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-NANDIBUM+Aug 29 2006, 10:19 PM-->QUOTE(NANDIBUM @ Aug 29 2006, 10:19 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Slowly I am loosing the interest in having a debate with you
As you are lowering the standard of this discussion in to some freestyle match where you just want to score some points instead of intelluctual discussion by using lower higher cast and other substandard discussion.
Though you say of genetic findings but the the problem is you have not even read or understood these genetics results also.
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Nandibum,
I cannot help it if you are offended by my post. Regarding the "minor" influence of outsiders that was found in Indian genes you have to understand the history of India at a deeper level.
Let me point out that in Kashmir there were Hindus marrying muslims and these muslim girls reconverted back to Hinduism i.e the reconversion was not sanctified by Hindu priests (because in Hinduism there is NO concept of reconversion) but happened at a social level.
This practice was so rampant during the reign of Shah Jahan (Jahangir also) that he tried many times through decree that these be stopped as he was pressed by Mullahs who were aghast by these social reconversions, but the society in kashmir did not pay heed. Thus the children of such union had traces of J2 marker (a foreign marker found in muslims).
Secondly Sikhs did not believe in any caste (mostly) and when they conquered a region inhabited by muslims (which was mostly the case) they gave a choice to muslims to either die or convert to Sikhism. Lot of muslims did. This brought in influx of J2 marker.
Note in northern India, there was a tradition of sending the eldest son of quite a few Hindu family to join the Sikh Panth. The marriages between Sikhs and Hindus are not uncommon and thus the J2 marker has spread BUT IS STILL MINISCULE.
So the argument that Indians and that includes Jats have ancestors in races outside of India are patently false. Jats take pride in showing connections to foreigners, central asians and what not. This is all just bad scholarship.
So please wake up and stop believing false histories.
As I said once before Rajputs never had Jats as there ancestors. Neither Huns/Mers/Meena/Chandals/Foreigners etc.
You should stop focussing your energies on finding a connection between rajputs and
jats. Rather spend time on coming up with good history of Jats so that people can
know about them.
Why the obsession with showing a connection with rajputs?
-Digvijay
As you are lowering the standard of this discussion in to some freestyle match where you just want to score some points instead of intelluctual discussion by using lower higher cast and other substandard discussion.
Though you say of genetic findings but the the problem is you have not even read or understood these genetics results also.
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Nandibum,
I cannot help it if you are offended by my post. Regarding the "minor" influence of outsiders that was found in Indian genes you have to understand the history of India at a deeper level.
Let me point out that in Kashmir there were Hindus marrying muslims and these muslim girls reconverted back to Hinduism i.e the reconversion was not sanctified by Hindu priests (because in Hinduism there is NO concept of reconversion) but happened at a social level.
This practice was so rampant during the reign of Shah Jahan (Jahangir also) that he tried many times through decree that these be stopped as he was pressed by Mullahs who were aghast by these social reconversions, but the society in kashmir did not pay heed. Thus the children of such union had traces of J2 marker (a foreign marker found in muslims).
Secondly Sikhs did not believe in any caste (mostly) and when they conquered a region inhabited by muslims (which was mostly the case) they gave a choice to muslims to either die or convert to Sikhism. Lot of muslims did. This brought in influx of J2 marker.
Note in northern India, there was a tradition of sending the eldest son of quite a few Hindu family to join the Sikh Panth. The marriages between Sikhs and Hindus are not uncommon and thus the J2 marker has spread BUT IS STILL MINISCULE.
So the argument that Indians and that includes Jats have ancestors in races outside of India are patently false. Jats take pride in showing connections to foreigners, central asians and what not. This is all just bad scholarship.
So please wake up and stop believing false histories.
As I said once before Rajputs never had Jats as there ancestors. Neither Huns/Mers/Meena/Chandals/Foreigners etc.
You should stop focussing your energies on finding a connection between rajputs and
jats. Rather spend time on coming up with good history of Jats so that people can
know about them.
Why the obsession with showing a connection with rajputs?
-Digvijay