10-23-2006, 07:54 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Oct 15 2006, 04:02 AM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Oct 15 2006, 04:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->We have really deviated from the purpose of this thread. This thread almost looks like the Gandhi ideology thread. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the impact of assasination of MKG rather then MKG himself.
Having said that here are some writings from some of the men that we admire..
Swami Vivekananda..
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It has been for the good of India that religious preaching in the West has been and will be done. It has ever been my conviction that we shall not be able to rise unless the Western people come to our help. In this country, no appreciation of merit can yet be found, no financial strength, and what is most lamentable of all, there is not a bit, of practicality...I have experienced even in my insignificant life that good motives, sincerity, and infinite love can conquer the world. One single soul possessed of these virtues can destroy the dark designs of millions of hypocrites and brutes...I only want to show that our wellbeing is impossible without men and money coming from the West.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rabindranath Tagore..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our country having lost its links with the inmost truths of its being, struggled under a crushing load of unreason, in abject slavery to circumstances. In social usage, in politics, in the realm of religion and art, we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rammohun Roy types were worse. This was the environment and the leaders were definitely the product of their times.
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PS : Guys read the Dharampal thread and his books.
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Why they both were right, especially Vivekananda !!
"It has ever been my conviction that we shall not be able to rise unless the Western people come to our help."
>> TRUE. Thats the sole benifit of the colonial presence in india btw. That they delivered us from islamic darkness. Today our everything from democracy to law to civil servants to science labs to railway lines are of western creation.
"In this country, no appreciation of merit can yet be found, no financial strength, and what is most lamentable of all, there is not a bit, of practicality."
>> SPOT ON. especially the last part where he mentions the indian lack of practicality. Its for precisely that reason (ie. we are not a practical people) that we invent precious little and cant innovate/discover, despite being a very smart people.
After 1000 years of muslim hammering, the India had no financial strength left indeed - not in hindu hands except for some kings like the Wodeyar of Mysore etc.
"I only want to show that our wellbeing is impossible without men and money coming from the West."
>>> true. We could not have had a progressive society if we were still under the muslims. Even to this day the parts of india which are the most backward are the ones which are the most Islamised and/or least Westernised.
TAGORE -
Our country having lost its links with the inmost truths of its being, struggled under a crushing load of unreason, in abject slavery to circumstances. In social usage, in politics, in the realm of religion and art, we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity.
>>>
Whoa !! That sums up indian histry under the muslims beautifully.
India till this day hasn't yet recovered her links with her hindu past.
"crushing load of unreason.. abject slavery " - TRUE again. Hindu holocaust was bloodier than Amerindian genocide and more hindu slaves were exported to the middle east (via the aptly named "hindu kush") than were blacks to usa.
in politics, ==
We had lost all touch with our own style of governance and were governed by nababs, mughals, and their appointed "zamindars" and "zagirdars".
in the realm of religion and art =====
We, the most prolific of all ancient civilizations, had produced horseshit in the field of religion, art or science ever since the muslims had the country in their grip.
we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity. =====
SPOT ON. We are still in that zone to a great extent.
As for Rammohon Roy, he was the first <b>post-islamic </b> Indian who saw the socio-cultural-religious mess that india was in the 1800's (not very different from Europe in the "dark ages") for what it was and tried to lift the darkness. Its precisely the parts of india which have not in the least been influenced by european enlightment where we still find astronomical population growth, dowry, witch/dalit burning, child marriage and other mediaval crap.
I had started a thread long back here called "what does india owe to the west" and had concluded there that their sole legacy was to pull us out of Islamic darkness (on social, cultural, scientific, political and other fronts) - all that at the cost of being reduced to utter poverty by colonialisation.
I stand by that.
Having said that here are some writings from some of the men that we admire..
Swami Vivekananda..
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It has been for the good of India that religious preaching in the West has been and will be done. It has ever been my conviction that we shall not be able to rise unless the Western people come to our help. In this country, no appreciation of merit can yet be found, no financial strength, and what is most lamentable of all, there is not a bit, of practicality...I have experienced even in my insignificant life that good motives, sincerity, and infinite love can conquer the world. One single soul possessed of these virtues can destroy the dark designs of millions of hypocrites and brutes...I only want to show that our wellbeing is impossible without men and money coming from the West.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rabindranath Tagore..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our country having lost its links with the inmost truths of its being, struggled under a crushing load of unreason, in abject slavery to circumstances. In social usage, in politics, in the realm of religion and art, we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rammohun Roy types were worse. This was the environment and the leaders were definitely the product of their times.
---------------
PS : Guys read the Dharampal thread and his books.
[right][snapback]59117[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why they both were right, especially Vivekananda !!
"It has ever been my conviction that we shall not be able to rise unless the Western people come to our help."
>> TRUE. Thats the sole benifit of the colonial presence in india btw. That they delivered us from islamic darkness. Today our everything from democracy to law to civil servants to science labs to railway lines are of western creation.
"In this country, no appreciation of merit can yet be found, no financial strength, and what is most lamentable of all, there is not a bit, of practicality."
>> SPOT ON. especially the last part where he mentions the indian lack of practicality. Its for precisely that reason (ie. we are not a practical people) that we invent precious little and cant innovate/discover, despite being a very smart people.
After 1000 years of muslim hammering, the India had no financial strength left indeed - not in hindu hands except for some kings like the Wodeyar of Mysore etc.
"I only want to show that our wellbeing is impossible without men and money coming from the West."
>>> true. We could not have had a progressive society if we were still under the muslims. Even to this day the parts of india which are the most backward are the ones which are the most Islamised and/or least Westernised.
TAGORE -
Our country having lost its links with the inmost truths of its being, struggled under a crushing load of unreason, in abject slavery to circumstances. In social usage, in politics, in the realm of religion and art, we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity.
>>>
Whoa !! That sums up indian histry under the muslims beautifully.
India till this day hasn't yet recovered her links with her hindu past.
"crushing load of unreason.. abject slavery " - TRUE again. Hindu holocaust was bloodier than Amerindian genocide and more hindu slaves were exported to the middle east (via the aptly named "hindu kush") than were blacks to usa.
in politics, ==
We had lost all touch with our own style of governance and were governed by nababs, mughals, and their appointed "zamindars" and "zagirdars".
in the realm of religion and art =====
We, the most prolific of all ancient civilizations, had produced horseshit in the field of religion, art or science ever since the muslims had the country in their grip.
we had entered the zone of uncreative habit, a decadent tradition, and ceased to exercise our humanity. =====
SPOT ON. We are still in that zone to a great extent.
As for Rammohon Roy, he was the first <b>post-islamic </b> Indian who saw the socio-cultural-religious mess that india was in the 1800's (not very different from Europe in the "dark ages") for what it was and tried to lift the darkness. Its precisely the parts of india which have not in the least been influenced by european enlightment where we still find astronomical population growth, dowry, witch/dalit burning, child marriage and other mediaval crap.
I had started a thread long back here called "what does india owe to the west" and had concluded there that their sole legacy was to pull us out of Islamic darkness (on social, cultural, scientific, political and other fronts) - all that at the cost of being reduced to utter poverty by colonialisation.
I stand by that.