12-08-2006, 07:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the martial races theory is partly true.
The question is how to convert the non-martial races of India into becoming more aggressive?
Sandeep Bajwa had raised the same issue in the Sikhism thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A "martial race" by definition means that it has something inherent in genes that makes it more aggressive, if you accept that then there is no way you can convert any so called non martial races into martial races because genetics can't be changed. The theory is a fake British theory,
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Yes you are right Brit martial race theory is bull. But it is true that Kshatriya of India are better fighters then non-kshatriyas. And it should not be a surprise to anyone. How does the son of a carpenter become a good carpenter. It is because he sees his father at work every day. Similarly Kshatriya kids hear the stories of other kshatriyas and learn by looking at there parents in action. The stubborn-ness , lack of compromise etc are ingrained from day one.
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the initial composition of their army had a lot of Brahmins and people from Madras Presidency and these armies defeated the more numerous Maratha and other armies not because they were more martial but because of the superior British organization and discipline, then they found a more reliable supply among Sikhs and Gurkhas so they dumped the Bengalis and others they used previously.
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I have already posted why Sikhs lost. There Generals had crossed over to Brits. Couple of them were Brahmins and one was Dogra.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are saying that some groups in the social and cultural sense tend to be more aggressive then there is no dispute but genetically I am not so sure.
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This aggressiveness runs in the blood. I will give you an example. I recently learnt that in TamilNadu Brahmins were beaten up during the Dravidian movement of idiots like Periyar etc. The situation became so bad that lot of Brahmins migrated out of TN to places like Maharashtra etc even where the Marathis created trouble for them.
Now replace Brahmins with say rajputs. There is nothing on earth which can compel a rajput to leave his birthplace, if being asked to vacate forcibly without a solid fight, which might continue for generations. Other Kshatriya groups and Sikhs are of the same mold though the intensity may vary.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you want all Hindus to be like that then teach the kids about people like Shivaji, Rana Pratap and others, give them some basic arms training and don't push them to be the latest maths and science geeks (which is what a lot of Indian parents do) and ask them to stand up to aggression, even the so called religious minded Hindus never teach anything about our armed freedom fighters like Shivaji but only concentrate on the so called bhakti sants, but they don't realise that they wouldn't have survived in the first place if not for people like Shivaji, the Tamils in Srilanka were very docile in the beginning but things changed when LTTE came onto the scene, so people do change when pushed to the brink.
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The first and foremost duty is to educate and instill pride in our children about our glorious past. Our historians have done an extremely shoddy job in writing our history.
We have to fix that. Once this happens it will instill pride in them which is the most fundamental thing for a group to do well.
-Digvijay
The question is how to convert the non-martial races of India into becoming more aggressive?
Sandeep Bajwa had raised the same issue in the Sikhism thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A "martial race" by definition means that it has something inherent in genes that makes it more aggressive, if you accept that then there is no way you can convert any so called non martial races into martial races because genetics can't be changed. The theory is a fake British theory,
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes you are right Brit martial race theory is bull. But it is true that Kshatriya of India are better fighters then non-kshatriyas. And it should not be a surprise to anyone. How does the son of a carpenter become a good carpenter. It is because he sees his father at work every day. Similarly Kshatriya kids hear the stories of other kshatriyas and learn by looking at there parents in action. The stubborn-ness , lack of compromise etc are ingrained from day one.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
the initial composition of their army had a lot of Brahmins and people from Madras Presidency and these armies defeated the more numerous Maratha and other armies not because they were more martial but because of the superior British organization and discipline, then they found a more reliable supply among Sikhs and Gurkhas so they dumped the Bengalis and others they used previously.
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I have already posted why Sikhs lost. There Generals had crossed over to Brits. Couple of them were Brahmins and one was Dogra.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are saying that some groups in the social and cultural sense tend to be more aggressive then there is no dispute but genetically I am not so sure.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This aggressiveness runs in the blood. I will give you an example. I recently learnt that in TamilNadu Brahmins were beaten up during the Dravidian movement of idiots like Periyar etc. The situation became so bad that lot of Brahmins migrated out of TN to places like Maharashtra etc even where the Marathis created trouble for them.
Now replace Brahmins with say rajputs. There is nothing on earth which can compel a rajput to leave his birthplace, if being asked to vacate forcibly without a solid fight, which might continue for generations. Other Kshatriya groups and Sikhs are of the same mold though the intensity may vary.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you want all Hindus to be like that then teach the kids about people like Shivaji, Rana Pratap and others, give them some basic arms training and don't push them to be the latest maths and science geeks (which is what a lot of Indian parents do) and ask them to stand up to aggression, even the so called religious minded Hindus never teach anything about our armed freedom fighters like Shivaji but only concentrate on the so called bhakti sants, but they don't realise that they wouldn't have survived in the first place if not for people like Shivaji, the Tamils in Srilanka were very docile in the beginning but things changed when LTTE came onto the scene, so people do change when pushed to the brink.
[right][snapback]61850[/snapback][/right]
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The first and foremost duty is to educate and instill pride in our children about our glorious past. Our historians have done an extremely shoddy job in writing our history.
We have to fix that. Once this happens it will instill pride in them which is the most fundamental thing for a group to do well.
-Digvijay