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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->how far should individual freedoms go (as long as they are not harming others)?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Since I want the right to end my life if I ever choose to, I want the same to apply to all Hindus and Buddhists and Jains. Besides, it is not banned in the oldest scriptures of any of these religions. To stop eating is a common method for the elderly.
I'd never immolate myself, but if some Kshatriya woman feels that is the way for her, or if many women need to commit jauhar, then they should be allowed to. IMO.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->the self immolation of Buddhist monks as a protest against US intervention in Vietnam<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->During that time, many Buddhist monks burnt themselves in protest against the christian terrorism of the christian government of Vietnam.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/D3.htm#Vietnam
State of Vietnam:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a zealous Catholic trio formed by a Catholic President, a Catholic Head of the Secret Police, and a Catholic Archbishop. All were determined to impose the religious and political writ of the Church upon a non-Christian culture. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Buddhists protested against anti-Buddhist discriminatory measures of christoterrorist government.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the case of President Diem and his Catholic junta [in the mid 20th century] they established themselves and their authority first with gradual legal discrimination against the Buddhist majority. The unrestricted use of terror followed when the Buddhist population refused to submit. Diem's approach was not just a freak example of contemporary Catholic aggressiveness in a largely non-Christian society. It has been repeated on the Asian continent for three hundred years.
-- <i>Chapter 17 of Vietnam: Why did we go? by Avro Manhattan</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>One day in early June, 1963, a 73 year old Buddhist monk</b> named Thich Quang Duc stopped in a busy street in Saigon, the Capital City of South Vietnam, and, after having been soaked with gasoline by a fellow monk, sat down cross-legged; thereupon, having calmly struck a match, he burned himself to death.
Prior to this, however, he had written a message to President Diem: "Enforce a policy of religious equality," the message read.
President Diem, a zealous Catholic, gave a prompt response. He clamped martial law upon the city, sealed most of the pagodas, ordered his secret police force to arrest Buddhist leaders, and mobilized his troops to truncheon any Buddhist monk or any Buddhist crowds who dared to protest at his increasing discrimination against their religion.
The self-immolation of Thich Quang Duc was the culmination of an increasingly virulent discriminatory campaign against Buddhism by a Roman Catholic Premier, President Ngo Dinh Diem, of South Vietnam. President Diem by this time had ruled the country for about nine years, helped by his two brothers, Ngo Dinh Nhu, head of the secret police, and Ngo Dinh Thuc, Archbishop of Hue. The trio had been inching for years toward veritable religious persecution of the vast majority of the country's population of 15 million, only 1,500,000 of whom were Catholics.
...[When] the whole country celebrated the 2,507th birthday of Buddha and the Buddhists unfurled their religious flag, the Archbishop, via the authorities, forbade them to do so. This, it must be remembered, in a country eighty per cent of whose population are practicing Buddhists.
The Buddhists staged a peaceful demonstration march against the edict. As a reply, the government sent troops and armoured cars and fired at the demonstrators, killing nine Buddhists.
The Hue massacre caused demonstrations all over South Vietnam. Buddhist delegations in Saigon demanded the removal of restrictions on their religion and the discriminatory laws imposed against them. The government arrested many of the demonstrators.
In Hue, meanwhile, when another demonstration of Buddhists paraded the city, troops dispersed them, using tear gas bombs. Result: sixty-seven people were taken to hospital with chemical burns.
...discriminations against the Buddhists continued unabated. Arrests of Buddhist monks multiplied. Pagodas were declared out of bounds, closed and at times even attacked
<b>...the Catholic trio continued in their set policy: Catholicization of South Vietnam. Hasty promotions of Catholics in the government and in the army were increased, and this to such an extent that many Buddhist officers became converted to Catholicism solely with a view to swift promotion.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(About this last statement: this is a lot like how it was in Rome when Constantine first came to power, too)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...with the excuse that Red elements had been found amongst the Buddhists, turned the harsh discriminatory campaign against the Buddhists into actual religious persecution.
Buddhist monks, Buddhist nuns and Buddhist leaders were arrested by the thousand. Pagodas were closed or besieged. Buddhists were tortured by the police. One day another Buddhist monk burned himself alive in public, to draw the attention of the world to the Catholic persecution. President Diem, undeterred, continued in his policy. The secret police packed the jails with more monks. The third monk committed suicide by fire, and then another. Within a brief period, seven of them had burned themselves alive in public. Vietnam was put under martial law. Troops now occupied many pagodas and drove out all monks offering resistance. More Buddhist monks and Buddhist nuns were arrested and taken away in lorries, including a large number of wounded. Many were killed.
Ten thousand Buddhists took part in a hunger strike in blockaded Saigon, while a giant gong tolled from the tower of the main Xa Loi Pagoda in protest against the persecutions. At Hue, in the North, monks and nuns put up a tremendous struggle at the main pagoda of Tu Dam, which was virtually demolished, while eleven Buddhist students burned themselves inside it.
From: <i>Chapter 23 - Vietnam, the Croatia of Asia of the book The Vatican's Holocaust</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why do the good people have to die.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->how far should individual freedoms go (as long as they are not harming others)?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Since I want the right to end my life if I ever choose to, I want the same to apply to all Hindus and Buddhists and Jains. Besides, it is not banned in the oldest scriptures of any of these religions. To stop eating is a common method for the elderly.
I'd never immolate myself, but if some Kshatriya woman feels that is the way for her, or if many women need to commit jauhar, then they should be allowed to. IMO.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->the self immolation of Buddhist monks as a protest against US intervention in Vietnam<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->During that time, many Buddhist monks burnt themselves in protest against the christian terrorism of the christian government of Vietnam.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/D3.htm#Vietnam
State of Vietnam:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a zealous Catholic trio formed by a Catholic President, a Catholic Head of the Secret Police, and a Catholic Archbishop. All were determined to impose the religious and political writ of the Church upon a non-Christian culture. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Buddhists protested against anti-Buddhist discriminatory measures of christoterrorist government.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the case of President Diem and his Catholic junta [in the mid 20th century] they established themselves and their authority first with gradual legal discrimination against the Buddhist majority. The unrestricted use of terror followed when the Buddhist population refused to submit. Diem's approach was not just a freak example of contemporary Catholic aggressiveness in a largely non-Christian society. It has been repeated on the Asian continent for three hundred years.
-- <i>Chapter 17 of Vietnam: Why did we go? by Avro Manhattan</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>One day in early June, 1963, a 73 year old Buddhist monk</b> named Thich Quang Duc stopped in a busy street in Saigon, the Capital City of South Vietnam, and, after having been soaked with gasoline by a fellow monk, sat down cross-legged; thereupon, having calmly struck a match, he burned himself to death.
Prior to this, however, he had written a message to President Diem: "Enforce a policy of religious equality," the message read.
President Diem, a zealous Catholic, gave a prompt response. He clamped martial law upon the city, sealed most of the pagodas, ordered his secret police force to arrest Buddhist leaders, and mobilized his troops to truncheon any Buddhist monk or any Buddhist crowds who dared to protest at his increasing discrimination against their religion.
The self-immolation of Thich Quang Duc was the culmination of an increasingly virulent discriminatory campaign against Buddhism by a Roman Catholic Premier, President Ngo Dinh Diem, of South Vietnam. President Diem by this time had ruled the country for about nine years, helped by his two brothers, Ngo Dinh Nhu, head of the secret police, and Ngo Dinh Thuc, Archbishop of Hue. The trio had been inching for years toward veritable religious persecution of the vast majority of the country's population of 15 million, only 1,500,000 of whom were Catholics.
...[When] the whole country celebrated the 2,507th birthday of Buddha and the Buddhists unfurled their religious flag, the Archbishop, via the authorities, forbade them to do so. This, it must be remembered, in a country eighty per cent of whose population are practicing Buddhists.
The Buddhists staged a peaceful demonstration march against the edict. As a reply, the government sent troops and armoured cars and fired at the demonstrators, killing nine Buddhists.
The Hue massacre caused demonstrations all over South Vietnam. Buddhist delegations in Saigon demanded the removal of restrictions on their religion and the discriminatory laws imposed against them. The government arrested many of the demonstrators.
In Hue, meanwhile, when another demonstration of Buddhists paraded the city, troops dispersed them, using tear gas bombs. Result: sixty-seven people were taken to hospital with chemical burns.
...discriminations against the Buddhists continued unabated. Arrests of Buddhist monks multiplied. Pagodas were declared out of bounds, closed and at times even attacked
<b>...the Catholic trio continued in their set policy: Catholicization of South Vietnam. Hasty promotions of Catholics in the government and in the army were increased, and this to such an extent that many Buddhist officers became converted to Catholicism solely with a view to swift promotion.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(About this last statement: this is a lot like how it was in Rome when Constantine first came to power, too)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...with the excuse that Red elements had been found amongst the Buddhists, turned the harsh discriminatory campaign against the Buddhists into actual religious persecution.
Buddhist monks, Buddhist nuns and Buddhist leaders were arrested by the thousand. Pagodas were closed or besieged. Buddhists were tortured by the police. One day another Buddhist monk burned himself alive in public, to draw the attention of the world to the Catholic persecution. President Diem, undeterred, continued in his policy. The secret police packed the jails with more monks. The third monk committed suicide by fire, and then another. Within a brief period, seven of them had burned themselves alive in public. Vietnam was put under martial law. Troops now occupied many pagodas and drove out all monks offering resistance. More Buddhist monks and Buddhist nuns were arrested and taken away in lorries, including a large number of wounded. Many were killed.
Ten thousand Buddhists took part in a hunger strike in blockaded Saigon, while a giant gong tolled from the tower of the main Xa Loi Pagoda in protest against the persecutions. At Hue, in the North, monks and nuns put up a tremendous struggle at the main pagoda of Tu Dam, which was virtually demolished, while eleven Buddhist students burned themselves inside it.
From: <i>Chapter 23 - Vietnam, the Croatia of Asia of the book The Vatican's Holocaust</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why do the good people have to die.