02-01-2007, 03:24 AM
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Can anyone tell me why Heinrich Himmler and Savitri Devi were such great fans of Eastern occult ?? Those two were the chief ideologues of the Nazi regime. As far as I can tell the word 'Arya' was always associated with nobility in the Indian context and not any particular race. Infact even Ravana with his Brahmin heritage was an 'Arya' and not a 'Dravidian'.
When & why did Maxmueller spin all this into something associated with race and had the 'swastika' symbol adopted for a Germanic White Nationalist movement ?? This has always confused me. What might have been the real motive behind such association. Esp Russians not being considered at par with other Indo-Europeans by the NSist is also very sinister from that POV.
In this he was aided by the Maxmuller created Aryan Invasion Theory(AIT) which posited to the German nation a distinct identity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In Europe there was a search for occult during the 18th and 19th century. They came to the Theosophical society, Madras.
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Heinrich Himmler â the German Reichführer and the head of the SS â had a clear intention to create a secret Order where Prussian ethics were combined with those of the old Knighthood Orders, like the Teutonic Order (there are journal-films showing German Nazi-soldiers dressed like old knights in armor, with swords, spears and riding horses, doing parades on the streets of Berlin). Some say he could not obtain it, since the âOrders of Catholicism were openly opposed by the radical wing of National Socialismâ(1), but the parades I mentioned above tell us otherwise. He also wanted to create his own secret society, without any influence from the traditional ones, who were already top controlled. He was into the Nordic heritage and its symbolism, like the Thule society, but didnât want any influence from THAT society either. In other words, he wanted to construct a society that was entirely his own creation with himself as Grandmaster with ultimate power. He did achieve that dream.
Heinrich Himmler had been in contact with all esoteric knowledge, and he used it as dark as possible. He was especially interested in Rune-magic. It was Himmler who created the infamous SS and like the Swastika, he used another magic symbol, the two sig-runes, which looked like two flashes. Within the SS all the esoteric knowledge in the Third Reich finally was gathered.Â
Himmler believed with all his heart in all the racial theories and manifestations of Nazism. He was a fanatic sadist who suffered from constant psychosomatic illnesses, like stomach pain, headaches and other unidentified aches and diseases. He also arranged big parades in the streets with soldiers dressed like old knights, as a symbol for ancient power.
His undying passion for control over others was enormous and his favorite word was âGnadelosâ (merciless).
Goodrick-Clarke carefully outlines the life of Savitri Devi, a true believer who took Nazism beyond politics: she believed that Hitler was an avatar or god come to earth. Born Maximiani Portas to a Greek/Italian father and an English mother, Devi spent her early years in her native France and in Greece, but she was inexorably drawn to India and traveled there at 27. It was not the culture of India that drew Devi, but her belief that India represented the best of racial segregation. Once in India, she became interested in Hinduism and wed the Brahman A.K. Mukherji in a marriage of shared ideals that also happened to bolster her shaky legal status as a resident Nazi sympathizer. The couple worked on behalf of the Axis powers during the late 1930s and early '40s, with Devi claiming that Mukherji put militant nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose in contact with the Japanese authorities. But the most interesting material is on Devi's intellectual life. Sections on Devi's writings about Egyptian pharaoh Akhnaton, about animal rights, or on her belief that Hitler was an avatar, which includes a lengthy examination of the Hindu theory of cyclical history, provide understanding in ways that subsequent lists of her later travels cannot.
<img src='http://www.ts-adyar.org/emb_logo.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
http://www.ts-adyar.org/history.html
At that time the term "Aryan" was used as a reference a ruling class or race and for the socialist dogma touted by the Theosophical Society and by socialists in general.
Here are some quotations from "The Ocean of Theosophy":
"Of all the old races the Aryan Indian alone yet remains as the preserver of the old doctrines. It will one day rise again to its old heights of glory."
"....it is only because that mankind has ever shut its eyes to the great truth that man is himself his own saviour as his own destroyer; that he need not accuse heaven and the gods, fates and providence, of the apparent injustice that reigns in the midst of humanity. But let him rather remember and repeat this bit of Grecian wisdom which warns man to forbear accusing That which 'Just though mysterious, leads us on unerring,....Through ways unmarked from guilt to punishment' -- which are now the ways and the high road on which move onward the great European nations. The western Aryans had every nation and tribe like their eastern brethren of the fifth race, their Golden and their Iron ages, their period of comparative irresponsibility, or the Satya age of purity, while now several of them have reached their Iron age, the Kali Yuga, an age black with horrors. This state will last . . . until we begin acting from within instead of ever following impulses from without . . . Until then the only palliative is union and harmony -- a Brotherhood in actu and altruism not simply in name."
"For as the masses of persons return from devachan, it must follow that the Roman, the Greek, the old Aryan, and other Ages will be seen again and can to a very great extent be plainly traced."
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Here it is.
Read this and get an idea of How Indian history, religion and language has been hijacked due to politics in Europe during the colonial centuries.
Even after independence it has not left the Indians/Hindus away from it.
European politics needed a framework and paradigm which was different from the European history and Church History during the 19th century
<b>The AIT : More than meets the eye</b>
<i>By A Ananth Kumar</i>
TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/y4pvel
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We also need to be aware that most terms and concepts of the IE framework are loaded with connotations:
  * Aryan (Japhetic, Caucasian) implies Dravidian (Hamitic), and vice versa. In spite of these being called 'language' families, they do have racial connotations, as we have seen.
  * Aryan Invasion implies subjugation. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can anyone tell me why Heinrich Himmler and Savitri Devi were such great fans of Eastern occult ?? Those two were the chief ideologues of the Nazi regime. As far as I can tell the word 'Arya' was always associated with nobility in the Indian context and not any particular race. Infact even Ravana with his Brahmin heritage was an 'Arya' and not a 'Dravidian'.
When & why did Maxmueller spin all this into something associated with race and had the 'swastika' symbol adopted for a Germanic White Nationalist movement ?? This has always confused me. What might have been the real motive behind such association. Esp Russians not being considered at par with other Indo-Europeans by the NSist is also very sinister from that POV.
In this he was aided by the Maxmuller created Aryan Invasion Theory(AIT) which posited to the German nation a distinct identity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In Europe there was a search for occult during the 18th and 19th century. They came to the Theosophical society, Madras.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Heinrich Himmler â the German Reichführer and the head of the SS â had a clear intention to create a secret Order where Prussian ethics were combined with those of the old Knighthood Orders, like the Teutonic Order (there are journal-films showing German Nazi-soldiers dressed like old knights in armor, with swords, spears and riding horses, doing parades on the streets of Berlin). Some say he could not obtain it, since the âOrders of Catholicism were openly opposed by the radical wing of National Socialismâ(1), but the parades I mentioned above tell us otherwise. He also wanted to create his own secret society, without any influence from the traditional ones, who were already top controlled. He was into the Nordic heritage and its symbolism, like the Thule society, but didnât want any influence from THAT society either. In other words, he wanted to construct a society that was entirely his own creation with himself as Grandmaster with ultimate power. He did achieve that dream.
Heinrich Himmler had been in contact with all esoteric knowledge, and he used it as dark as possible. He was especially interested in Rune-magic. It was Himmler who created the infamous SS and like the Swastika, he used another magic symbol, the two sig-runes, which looked like two flashes. Within the SS all the esoteric knowledge in the Third Reich finally was gathered.Â
Himmler believed with all his heart in all the racial theories and manifestations of Nazism. He was a fanatic sadist who suffered from constant psychosomatic illnesses, like stomach pain, headaches and other unidentified aches and diseases. He also arranged big parades in the streets with soldiers dressed like old knights, as a symbol for ancient power.
His undying passion for control over others was enormous and his favorite word was âGnadelosâ (merciless).
Goodrick-Clarke carefully outlines the life of Savitri Devi, a true believer who took Nazism beyond politics: she believed that Hitler was an avatar or god come to earth. Born Maximiani Portas to a Greek/Italian father and an English mother, Devi spent her early years in her native France and in Greece, but she was inexorably drawn to India and traveled there at 27. It was not the culture of India that drew Devi, but her belief that India represented the best of racial segregation. Once in India, she became interested in Hinduism and wed the Brahman A.K. Mukherji in a marriage of shared ideals that also happened to bolster her shaky legal status as a resident Nazi sympathizer. The couple worked on behalf of the Axis powers during the late 1930s and early '40s, with Devi claiming that Mukherji put militant nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose in contact with the Japanese authorities. But the most interesting material is on Devi's intellectual life. Sections on Devi's writings about Egyptian pharaoh Akhnaton, about animal rights, or on her belief that Hitler was an avatar, which includes a lengthy examination of the Hindu theory of cyclical history, provide understanding in ways that subsequent lists of her later travels cannot.
<img src='http://www.ts-adyar.org/emb_logo.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
http://www.ts-adyar.org/history.html
At that time the term "Aryan" was used as a reference a ruling class or race and for the socialist dogma touted by the Theosophical Society and by socialists in general.
Here are some quotations from "The Ocean of Theosophy":
"Of all the old races the Aryan Indian alone yet remains as the preserver of the old doctrines. It will one day rise again to its old heights of glory."
"....it is only because that mankind has ever shut its eyes to the great truth that man is himself his own saviour as his own destroyer; that he need not accuse heaven and the gods, fates and providence, of the apparent injustice that reigns in the midst of humanity. But let him rather remember and repeat this bit of Grecian wisdom which warns man to forbear accusing That which 'Just though mysterious, leads us on unerring,....Through ways unmarked from guilt to punishment' -- which are now the ways and the high road on which move onward the great European nations. The western Aryans had every nation and tribe like their eastern brethren of the fifth race, their Golden and their Iron ages, their period of comparative irresponsibility, or the Satya age of purity, while now several of them have reached their Iron age, the Kali Yuga, an age black with horrors. This state will last . . . until we begin acting from within instead of ever following impulses from without . . . Until then the only palliative is union and harmony -- a Brotherhood in actu and altruism not simply in name."
"For as the masses of persons return from devachan, it must follow that the Roman, the Greek, the old Aryan, and other Ages will be seen again and can to a very great extent be plainly traced."
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here it is.
Read this and get an idea of How Indian history, religion and language has been hijacked due to politics in Europe during the colonial centuries.
Even after independence it has not left the Indians/Hindus away from it.
European politics needed a framework and paradigm which was different from the European history and Church History during the 19th century
<b>The AIT : More than meets the eye</b>
<i>By A Ananth Kumar</i>
TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/y4pvel
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We also need to be aware that most terms and concepts of the IE framework are loaded with connotations:
  * Aryan (Japhetic, Caucasian) implies Dravidian (Hamitic), and vice versa. In spite of these being called 'language' families, they do have racial connotations, as we have seen.
  * Aryan Invasion implies subjugation. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->