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Indian/Hindu Identity
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Same S, different day
by Rajesh Varma on Jan 31, 2007 01:08 AM | Hide replies
<b>India never existed as a single sovereign country until the British took over. Before the British, India was a conglomerate of small kingdoms fighting with each other all the time. So the concept that a united India ever existed in the history is a sham. And the name Hinduism is coined by the British about 300 years ago. The words Hindu or Hinduism are not of Indian origin and they are not mentioned anywhere in any ancient Indian literature (Ramayana, Gita). A Hindu (as per Arabs and Persians) is a person living along the Indus valley, and the Moguls called the non-Muslims in India Hindus. The British followed the same tradition and finally Hindu and Hinduism become a religion.</b>

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RE:Same S, different day
by Southie on Jan 31, 2007 01:16 AM
Rajesh, your comment makes total sense. There was no Hindu, India long long time ago. There was a world known to the people of the region and they called it Bharat but that included Sri Lanka, etc, etc.

I don't think the Sinhalese or Tamils who left that region said, i am leaving India for Sri Lanka. They were leaving their respective kingdoms to go to an island. In fact, the Tamils probably left one part of their Chola country to go to another part (internal migration).

Rajeev - please reply to what Rajesh says. We need to thank the British for uniting us cause they made us Indians, not Indians made us Indians.

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RE:Same S, different day
by Prashant on Jan 31, 2007 02:08 AM
Rajesh,

You are correct. There was not "hindu" religion before muslims invaded the subcontinent. The religion itself is a term used by westerners.

I would call it "way of life". There were major groups who followed certain ways of life. There were people who believed in vedic rituals and sacrifices. There were some people who believed in "buddist" way of life. and some believed in "Jainist" way of life. and there were many others who had different life styles.

Even though brahmins were mainly following the vedic way fo life there were some who followed others too.

After seeing the success of buddhism some of its tradisions and practices were absorbed by other religions. The vedic people also started folliwing ahinsa etc. They also liked the way buddist people's idea of shunya or tathata. The three ways to achieve shunyata were mahayana, hinyana and vajrayana(tantric version)they Started worshiping "pradnya" and to achieve shunata started following tantrikism as this was the easiest route. In doing that either some of them lost their actual rituals described in vedas and started worshiping "Shiva" and "Vishnu". When patanjali a brahmin ruler started ruling india he wanted brahmins to rule the continent and re-wrote manusmrity and thus came to existance the caste system. Now in doing that brahmins kept their status as supreme and to happen that they wrote so many hipocritic scripts that people still believe are written by gods.

Just my observation from what I have read so far and analysed so far.

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RE:Same S, different day
by Mani Ratnam on Jan 31, 2007 08:19 AM
ASHOKA!

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RE:Same S, different day
by Vishnu Garimella on Jan 31, 2007 10:14 AM
This is a really illogical statement! Lots of other things could have been possible if we were not slaves for 200 Years. They made richest country in the world into a poor country! How about RICH 'Indian Union' just like European Uninon which includes pakistan and srilanka,burma,bagladesh ETC....Nobody would have cared about English then, because hindi might have took the place of English....And nobody needs to recognize hindu religion....we were not waiting for their approval of their religion...we have been following it for thousands of years!

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RE:Same S, different day
by Madhwa Mysore on Jan 31, 2007 11:31 AM
I am amazed by the naivatte displayed by some "educated" indians about their own history! What they are regurgitating here is what they have googled on Indian history through the eyes of westerners! The fact is the scientific revolution and the consequent industrialization of Britain was funded by the trillions of dollars of loot of the once rich India! Other than a few buildings what infrastructure did the Brits build in India for Indians? The scheming Brits wanted to destroy the Indian culture by manufacturing the Aryan/Dravidian theory through Max Mueller, a self confessed xtian missionary. I pity those forever inferiority complex ridden "Dravidians", the Tamils, who believe in this imaginary theory of the whites! The British played the Muslims against the Hindus and thus divided the mother land. They wanted a foot hold in Asia through Pakistan and they achieved it as Pakistan is strategically important to the west to control East Asia! As for learning English, we would have learnt it anyway! We Indians are the inventors of the most scientific language, the Sanskrit, the basis of modern computer languages(read any compiler book to know how Backus-naur stole Panini's grammar to devise a computer language!). With so many well formed languages, would English have been a big deal? When do we learn from Japanese, Germans and Russians to be proud of our own culture? That alone would have made us advanced. Alas, the Brits made sure that most of us would still not be so, after all these years!


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