05-05-2007, 12:44 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the previous email, you read about Witzel's crazy claim defending Steve Farmer for bashing British historian Frances Yates, and claiming that Genesis 1:28 contains God's words and this is a crucial reason to not accept the views of Yates. You also read how a courageous California parent took on Steve Farmer and exposed his bible-thumping PhD thesis. This is despite the fact that the Farmer-Witzel duo had dangerous groups on their side.
FeTNA, a group to which Witzel extended heartfelt thanks for helping him in his crusade in California (against science) is a dubious group, whose ex-director has been arrested for trying to procure surface-to-air missiles. Lars Martin Fosse, a Christian fanatic and an a loyal assistant of Witzel desperately appealed to the Catholic priest John Dayal for help in the California textbook issue. When the textbooks containing astounding claims about the resurrection of Jesus, Witzel and Farmer were extremely delighted. Witzel and Farmer also received help from St.Alban's church in New Jersey.
Now, Steve Farmer is desperate to shove the truth under the carpet. Here, he is seen begging for not giving his foolish claims any attention. This is the second time he has become very desperate. The first was on Mar 8, 2006. This was around 10 days after the historic speech by the brave parent exposing his biblical claims. Farmer tried dissociating himself from the quotes, but the scanned pages from his thesis appeared on the internet nailing his lie. During his weak attempt to refute the expose, Farmer was very close to tears and almost burst out crying.
Read below to see how he begs others to not give attention to his claims, but pretend that they don't exist. He also now claims that it was Pico who made those claims. Now, Farmer has joined Witzel in claiming that Pico refuted Yates. How could this have happened when Frances Yates was born 405 years after Pico died?
Here is the relevant part from Farmer's PhD thesis again: [Frances Yates] should first note well God's words to man in Genesis 1:28 , "And God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
Also notice that the original speech exposing Farmer has been cleverly snipped from Farmer's response below.
<b>Open challenge to Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer: If you can prove your claim that Pico rose from the dead and refuted Yates, you get 1 million dollars. </b>
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From: Steve Farmer <saf@safarmer.com>
Subject: Re: [Indo-Eurasia]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:59:59 -0700
To:xx
Dear All,
I can assure you that messages like the one below from
xxxx don't go to the Indo-Eurasian Research List,
despite the address on "To" line. This person can't tell the
difference between the author of a medieval text and the translator of that text, or a study of medieval philosophy from an endorsement of it. He has tried to spam the List before.
Just for the record, for those he sent this to who don't know me: I
study the history of religion from neurobiological and historical
perspectives, but I'm not religious, let alone a Christian. Premodern religion for me is simply data.
Please do not respond to this person's messages, which just
encourages him. Note that I did not send him a copy of this message.
Best,
Steve Farmer
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:06 AM, xxxx wrote:
> Michael Witzel now claims that Pico who died in 1494 rose from the
> dead and refuted the argments of one Frances Yates (who died in
> 1981)! Note the refutation to the argument of Frances Yates at
> http://www.sabha.info/docs/misc/aif/Pg337.html (the highlighted
> section is the refutation to Yates's interpretation that Pico's > work defined a new position for European man). This scanned page is
> from Steve Farmer's PhD thesis.
>
> An anti-bible-thumper spoke during the textbook adoption process at
> California and mentioned the bizarre section in Steve Farmer's PhD
> thesis that used "God's words" as the clincher in the argument
> against Yates's interpretation! ....
>
> This is what Witzel had to say about that speech:
> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa ?
> A2=ind0602&L=INDOLOGY&P=R2887
&I=-3
>
> Incidentally, the funniest thing today was that one Hindutvavadin
> got up and read some 'Christian' quotations out of Steve Farmer's
> dissertation on Pico that should have made Farmer a Bible thumping
> creationist -- only that those sentences were Pico's, half a
> millennium ago, not Farmer's.
>
> So the refutation of Yates (1899 -- 1981) was done by Pico and not
> Farmer! Farmer merely quoted Pico refusting Yates! How did Pico
> refute Yates nearly 500 years after he died? Is this another
> miracle like the one mentioned by James Heitzman?
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FeTNA, a group to which Witzel extended heartfelt thanks for helping him in his crusade in California (against science) is a dubious group, whose ex-director has been arrested for trying to procure surface-to-air missiles. Lars Martin Fosse, a Christian fanatic and an a loyal assistant of Witzel desperately appealed to the Catholic priest John Dayal for help in the California textbook issue. When the textbooks containing astounding claims about the resurrection of Jesus, Witzel and Farmer were extremely delighted. Witzel and Farmer also received help from St.Alban's church in New Jersey.
Now, Steve Farmer is desperate to shove the truth under the carpet. Here, he is seen begging for not giving his foolish claims any attention. This is the second time he has become very desperate. The first was on Mar 8, 2006. This was around 10 days after the historic speech by the brave parent exposing his biblical claims. Farmer tried dissociating himself from the quotes, but the scanned pages from his thesis appeared on the internet nailing his lie. During his weak attempt to refute the expose, Farmer was very close to tears and almost burst out crying.
Read below to see how he begs others to not give attention to his claims, but pretend that they don't exist. He also now claims that it was Pico who made those claims. Now, Farmer has joined Witzel in claiming that Pico refuted Yates. How could this have happened when Frances Yates was born 405 years after Pico died?
Here is the relevant part from Farmer's PhD thesis again: [Frances Yates] should first note well God's words to man in Genesis 1:28 , "And God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
Also notice that the original speech exposing Farmer has been cleverly snipped from Farmer's response below.
<b>Open challenge to Michael Witzel and Steve Farmer: If you can prove your claim that Pico rose from the dead and refuted Yates, you get 1 million dollars. </b>
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From: Steve Farmer <saf@safarmer.com>
Subject: Re: [Indo-Eurasia]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:59:59 -0700
To:xx
Dear All,
I can assure you that messages like the one below from
xxxx don't go to the Indo-Eurasian Research List,
despite the address on "To" line. This person can't tell the
difference between the author of a medieval text and the translator of that text, or a study of medieval philosophy from an endorsement of it. He has tried to spam the List before.
Just for the record, for those he sent this to who don't know me: I
study the history of religion from neurobiological and historical
perspectives, but I'm not religious, let alone a Christian. Premodern religion for me is simply data.
Please do not respond to this person's messages, which just
encourages him. Note that I did not send him a copy of this message.
Best,
Steve Farmer
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:06 AM, xxxx wrote:
> Michael Witzel now claims that Pico who died in 1494 rose from the
> dead and refuted the argments of one Frances Yates (who died in
> 1981)! Note the refutation to the argument of Frances Yates at
> http://www.sabha.info/docs/misc/aif/Pg337.html (the highlighted
> section is the refutation to Yates's interpretation that Pico's > work defined a new position for European man). This scanned page is
> from Steve Farmer's PhD thesis.
>
> An anti-bible-thumper spoke during the textbook adoption process at
> California and mentioned the bizarre section in Steve Farmer's PhD
> thesis that used "God's words" as the clincher in the argument
> against Yates's interpretation! ....
>
> This is what Witzel had to say about that speech:
> http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa ?
> A2=ind0602&L=INDOLOGY&P=R2887
&I=-3
>
> Incidentally, the funniest thing today was that one Hindutvavadin
> got up and read some 'Christian' quotations out of Steve Farmer's
> dissertation on Pico that should have made Farmer a Bible thumping
> creationist -- only that those sentences were Pico's, half a
> millennium ago, not Farmer's.
>
> So the refutation of Yates (1899 -- 1981) was done by Pico and not
> Farmer! Farmer merely quoted Pico refusting Yates! How did Pico
> refute Yates nearly 500 years after he died? Is this another
> miracle like the one mentioned by James Heitzman?
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